Coilover advice

[shnazzle]

MeisterR looks pretty inactive on this forum, so I think I'll have to drop them a mail over the weekend.

It's been 4hrs since you said you'd get in touch!

He generally responds well but in general, most affiliates will be monitoring their email more than their forum account. So, if you want a swift reply then phone is the way forward

[BahnStormer]

MeisterR looks pretty inactive on this forum, so I think I'll have to drop them a mail over the weekend.

It's been 4hrs since you said you'd get in touch!

He generally responds well but in general, most affiliates will be monitoring their email more than their forum account. So, if you want a swift reply then phone is the way forward

Ha ha - I wasn't going on the lack of reply - more the "last post" / "last active" status on his profile.... I'm guessing he still picks up mails from the forum, so I'll give him some time for that.

[R.Sointment]

did somebody say group buy?

[R.Sointment]

Did somebody say group buy? I would like very much to be involved in any such endeavour!

[shnazzle]

I have to admit something first to set expectations...

So far no affiliates have (successfully?) logged into the new forum.
I've got a task to get them all set up and in some cases renew their affiliation before any group buys can take place.

I'm on it..when I can get to it

[BahnStormer]

I got a reply back, but we'd need >10 to get any group buy discount

I'm after something that retains most of the ride comfort, as I do a lot of very bumpy country roads every day... so I think MeisterR's dialed to their softer (near-OEM?) settings are my best option, but I'm guessing we're not going to get 10 extra members up for the same in the same timeframe? (shout if you think you're up for these in the next few months!)

[Call the midlife!]

I got a reply back, but we'd need >10 to get any group buy discount

I'm after something that retains most of the ride comfort, as I do a lot of very bumpy country roads every day... so I think MeisterR's dialed to their softer (near-OEM?) settings are my best option, but I'm guessing we're not going to get 10 extra members up for the same in the same timeframe? (shout if you think you're up for these in the next few months!)

Just as an FYI, mine is very "bouncy" on the softest settings, if I remember rightly I'm on 4-6 front/rear at the moment, not too harsh around town especially if your seats are plump.
You'll know about it on bad roads though...


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[1979scotte]

You need a test drive if you think it will bother you.
No coilover equipped car I have had is close to stock level of comfort.
Rewards in other ways.
A few people have regretted their choice of going non stock.
I must say that on my current setup with the heavier engine and PFL wheels it feels better than my turbo car on FL. Same AD08R tyres. Something like Toyos with their soft sidewalls can help but the kinda defeats the object for me.

Are you coming to DD?
Plenty of scope for test drives there.

[Call the midlife!]

You need a test drive if you think it will bother you.
No coilover equipped car I have had is close to stock level of comfort.
Rewards in other ways.
A few people have regretted their choice of going non stock.
I must say that on my current setup with the heavier engine and PFL wheels it feels better than my turbo car on FL. Same AD08R tyres. Something like Toyos with their soft sidewalls can help but the kinda defeats the object for me.

Are you coming to DD?
Plenty of scope for test drives there.

Agree with the above, you really have to experience them and consider the rest of your set up.
For me at the time of the group buy it was the most cost effective way of replacing the full suspension all round with some scope for lowering.
Would I do it again? I'll see what it's like with the newer, leather seats over the tired old cloth ones before I answer that.


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[shnazzle]

Daily driver over various kinds of roads: KYB shocks (or Sachs) and some Tein springs with some people polybushing of arms.

Weekend toy or summer only: coilovers all day long.

Would I get them again?...
Mine's a daily. I'd be lying if I said they didn't annoy me sometimes.
I'd do it again as I treat it like a weekend toy although it's a daily. But,there are many times I drive Helen's car on TTE springs and stock suspension and think...this is so much smoother and more comfy.

[mikek]

Are the k-sports from tcb not a softer spring rate? I have 3 / 5 in my head for some reason??

[shnazzle]

Are the k-sports from tcb not a softer spring rate? I have 3 / 5 in my head for some reason??

If that's the case it would make a decent difference to rise comfort.
But it's not just all about spring rate.

[Call the midlife!]

Are the k-sports from tcb not a softer spring rate? I have 3 / 5 in my head for some reason??

If that's the case it would make a decent difference to rise comfort.
But it's not just all about spring rate.

Just to avoid confusion, I was talking about adjustment "clicks" when I quoted 4-6, out of 0-32.


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[1979scotte]

Are the k-sports from tcb not a softer spring rate? I have 3 / 5 in my head for some reason??

If that's the case it would make a decent difference to rise comfort.
But it's not just all about spring rate.

Agreed it's not all about spring rate.
Not saying the yellows aren't good but again you need to sample them.

[alfa.rbt]

Did anyone consider or perhaps have got Koni Chassis Sport Kit fitted? Well known manufacturers and should be a bit softer than coilovers

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Koni-Chassis-Sport-Kit-for-Toyota-MR2-Spyder-1-8-16V-ZZW30-1140-3991/372279791737?hash=item56ad9ad079:g:LdkAAOSw-pNbtdNn:rk:1:pf:0

[thetyrant]

Im pondering trying the KW V3 coilovers and will start another thread about them if i do,  anyone on here already have them ? im interested in real world feedback

Ive spoken with the KW guys and the V3 sounds ideal for what im after in thats its not too firmly sprung so more fast road setup than track really, being 2way adjustable (compression and rebound) its got more scope than some of cheaper setups out there if you have time and knowledge to tinker with it so they will still handle track use a lot better than stock but with good road manners as well, partly due to spring rates but also damping being much better quality than the BC/Meister/Ksport cheaper setups, its not a cheap kit but i dont mind paying for a good quality setup that will last and work well.

I was going Koni insert route to go with my Tein springs but started to think i need a more focused setup, hence ponder KW

Ian

[Nvy]

Im pondering trying the KW V3 coilovers and will start another thread about them if i do,  anyone on here already have them ? im interested in real world feedback

Ive spoken with the KW guys and the V3 sounds ideal for what im after in thats its not too firmly sprung so more fast road setup than track really, being 2way adjustable (compression and rebound) its got more scope than some of cheaper setups out there if you have time and knowledge to tinker with it so they will still handle track use a lot better than stock but with good road manners as well, partly due to spring rates but also damping being much better quality than the BC/Meister/Ksport cheaper setups, its not a cheap kit but i dont mind paying for a good quality setup that will last and work well.

I was going Koni insert route to go with my Tein springs but started to think i need a more focused setup, hence ponder KW

Ian

I have brand new Meisters in a box and would really like to hear your opinion on KW. It would be best for me to have air suspension but its too complex and heavy. My idea is to be sub 1000kgs with everything setup for the track. With the roads here Meisters are quite harsh but i dont mind(tried them on another car) and will most likely run them for some time.

[thetyrant]

I have brand new Meisters in a box and would really like to hear your opinion on KW. It would be best for me to have air suspension but its too complex and heavy. My idea is to be sub 1000kgs with everything setup for the track. With the roads here Meisters are quite harsh but i dont mind(tried them on another car) and will most likely run them for some time.

I think the only way im going to know is try them for myself, ive got a few other jobs to sort in next week or so then i should be in a position to order the KW and will be certain to report back if i do, im very fussy on suspension and demand a lot from it (good road manners and decent enough performance for track) and on my my BMW i tried 7 different setups before settling on the Koni Sports which was best allrounder i tried, hence thinking of same on the 2 initally but now KW has caught my eye after reading good things from users in usa, would be good to get UK road feedback though.

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[shnazzle]

My advice....replace with fresh stock setup

Don't add bracing, don't change wheel sizes, don't change tyre sizes.... It's not worth the headache haha

But to be helpful, I've always heard the KWs need some modifications to fit? Is that still the case?

[thetyrant]

My advice....replace with fresh stock setup

Don't add bracing, don't change wheel sizes, don't change tyre sizes.... It's not worth the headache haha

But to be helpful, I've always heard the KWs need some modifications to fit? Is that still the case?

Haha yes there is a lot to said for keeping it simple, i have fitted good used stock dampers with new tein springs and it works reasonably well on road but you can feel the lack of damping /body control when pushing on though, probably be worse now ive got some sticky rubber on and will found out when i find a dry road!, this is what made me start thinking of going coilover, which i was going to swerve on this car.

I did read on here somebody had issue fitting a KW kit but i think it might of been incorrect kit or early development set maybe reading between the lines, KW tell me its a direct plug and play kit using stock top mounts, as its TUV approved it has to be

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[neogeo13]

have a read before you buy any coiliovers.
https://iscsuspension-na.com/monotube-vs-twin-tube-difference-better/
Meister R Mono tube £850
BC RM Mono tube £1050

if its road use only I go with
https://www.larkspeed.com/shopper/i/277L11403991/Toyota-MR2-Spyder-1-8-16v-ZZW30-Koni-Sport-Suspension-Kit

[Beachbum957]

Haha yes there is a lot to said for keeping it simple, i have fitted good used stock dampers with new tein springs and it works reasonably well on road but you can feel the lack of damping /body control when pushing on though, probably be worse now ive got some sticky rubber on and will found out when i find a dry road!, this is what made me start thinking of going coilover, which i was going to swerve on this car.

I also found the Tein-S with stock struts to be a bit underdamped, particularly in the front.  However, the Tein-S work very well with Koni inserts.  The Koni's seem well matched to the spring rates and you can adjust the rebound to suit your tastes. I ended up 3/4 turn from full soft on the street

[shnazzle]

That Koni deal isn't bad...
What spring rates are the springs?

[thetyrant]

I think im going back to my original plan to try the Koni route with Tein springs as until i sell the Celica GT4 i dont want to be delving too deep modding the MR2, its meant to be a cheap fun/toy.

Spring rates for H&R springs which come with the Koni are same rate/drop as the Tein looking at this - https://www.spyderchat.com/forums/showthread.php?104465-Spring-Rates-Table-for-Lowering-Springs   that is unless Koni get H&R to make something special for the kit but i doubt it at these volumes.

The complete Koni kit with dampers and springs is a good price if you dont already have lowered springs, its just the ballache of cutting and drilling stock damper casing to fit them but its not a huge job and ive got a spare set of stock dampers to play with so not so bad.

Ian

[james_ly]

I had it in my head that KWs were getting on for 2k? If so, then I doubt there's many MR2 owners who would fit them..