Right - £4 a pair from fleabay - quad white LED replacement bulbs.
Needed to replace my number plate lights as these mysteriously blew so thought I'd try these instead of normal filament bulbs, also changed my sidelights at the same time.
Before and after below:
Normal bulb left, LED bulb right.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/swallet/IMG_0623.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/swallet/IMG_0629.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/swallet/IMG_0633.jpg)
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a93/swallet/IMG_0636.jpg)
Quite like the effect on the number plate not too sure on the sidelights but could be useful if you convert the headlights to HID (as I plan to)
Very nice!!!
Do you have a reference for ebay?
I dont know what to search for!
These were the ones I bought -you need a 5w 501 bulb (wedge type). The guy I got mine from was 1st class - I'd recommend his product.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180049334686
What colour are the ones at the photo you posted?
White or Blue?
I have a post 03 car... is the 5w 501 bulb the ones I seek as well ?
Both rear and front leds (as at your photo) are exactly the same pair of leds?
Thansk mate.
I like 'em, Im guessing you buy the white ones? is it just as easy as plug and play as described on ebay?
what sizes for the interior light?
mine is really dim!
Quote from: "leon_in_uk"what sizes for the interior light?
mine is really dim!
Time to visit a Mitsubishi dealer:
m http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7807 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7807) m
Quote from: "SimosSpyder"What colour are the ones at the photo you posted?
White or Blue?
I have a post 03 car... is the 5w 501 bulb the ones I seek as well ?
Both rear and front leds (as at your photo) are exactly the same pair of leds?
Thansk mate.
hello... i'm in the same boat as Simo here... are they white or blue bulbs front and rear s:?: :?: s:?: s:?: :?: s:?: s:?: :?: s:?:
I really like the look of them.. s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Liking those front sidelights? are the pre 03 and post 03 sidelights the same ?
I like them as well. Decided to do a bit of Googling. £5 per pair looks a good price (usually £5+ each).
LKPerformance sell 20 for £30 (not sure of postagehere (http://www.lkperformancestyling.co.uk/product.php?ctn=ultralights&product=BU501LED). Could save a couple of bob each, or could sell at £5 per pair and any profit goes to Club. Obviously postage, payPal etc to take into account.
Another alternative I found was a 5 LED bulb here (http://www.ultraleds.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=676) for £7ish a pair. Do we have a 15mm hole?
They also do 4 LED for £2.35 each (£5.58 a pair!!).
well anyway, I've just bought these... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/501-LED-REPLACEMENT-SIDELIGHTS-INDICATORS-ETC_W0QQitemZ190051120382QQihZ009QQcategoryZ72233QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
I bought these....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4-LED-QUAD-Car-Sidelights-White-x2-501-W5W-T10_W0QQitemZ180050783384QQihZ008QQcategoryZ72233QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
thanks for the comments (soory I've been away) - Finally I'm a trend setter!
They are white bulbs - want to keep things legal.
And yes just a straight swap with the original bulb less than 20mins for all four.
Sorry I only know the bulb fitments for my 03 car so can't comment on prefacelift.
Anyone replaced the rear side & brake lights with LEDs or even indicator bulbs?
no , but it should be a simple swap. I haven't bothered yet - because the bulbs will be behind colour filters I'd think the change in light quality qould be less.
Quote from: "edward.carter"Liking those front sidelights? are the pre 03 and post 03 sidelights the same ?
Does anyone know what type is needed for pre03, is it the same?
ebay ref: 180053653555
buy it now £3.50 + £2.50 postage. I submitted a best offer of £2.60 for two pairs. Accepted! -total cost £8.10 for 4 inc post.
Just looked the ebay ref as above; had a quick read thru and saw this;
"Do not use LED bulbs in the same housing with head lamps, the heat will cause them to fail quickly and void the warranty."
Is this just being overly cautious? or should I restrain myself?
for teh price of an LED bulb
suck it and see
no probs after 1st week - LED bulbs have a longer lifespan than filament bulbs anyway so it may even out.
Interestingly he does list them as sidelight bulbs - which is strange as most sidelights will be in the same housing as the main beam
yep i reckon it's a 'get out clause'....
QuoteJust looked the ebay ref as above; had a quick read through and saw this;
"Do not use LED bulbs in the same housing with head lamps, the heat will cause them to fail quickly and void the warranty."
Is this just being overly cautious? or should I restrain myself?
I don't think this will be a problem with the 2 - I've worked with LEDs quite a bit in the past, they're very tough. The main beam is sat in its own cubby hole behind the lense and therefore shouldn't generate too much heat on the LED surface. Also, the whole unit feels cool enough to touch - however it is rather chilly out.
for £4.05 it's not that much of a gamble.
Quote from: "ShaunyF"I've worked with LEDs quite a bit in the past, they're very tough.
Ever tried reversing the polarity and cranking up the voltage s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
*sentimental thoughts of when i was an apprentice*
back on topic though, LED's are pretty resilient and unless they were in very close proximity to the main beam bulbs then i doubt you would have much of an issue to be honest.
I think its just the guy writing a disclaimer just in case.
Richie.
QuoteEver tried reversing the polarity and cranking up the voltage
Yep! I've even strapped a tattulum capacitor in parallel. The trick is to stick a resisitor across them so the regulating PSU doesn't drop the voltage as the current increased!..aaahhh many of fun days getting paid to blow things up for the government.
On topiuc. This guy also does amber ones. Am I right in thinking the post 03 2 has amber bulbs & clear lenses for the side repeators. If so it should be a quick drop in with definately no heat issues.
yep definately clear lenses on mine.
worth a punt...
Gone for 2 sets, but the ebay shop is out of stock!! Must be all our talk drumming up the interest!
Some more if anyone still wants some
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4-LED-QUAD-Car-Sidelights-White-x2-501-W5W-T10_W0QQitemZ180053229353QQihZ008QQcategoryZ72233QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Quote from: "ShaunyF"QuoteJust looked the ebay ref as above; had a quick read through and saw this;
"Do not use LED bulbs in the same housing with head lamps, the heat will cause them to fail quickly and void the warranty."
Is this just being overly cautious? or should I restrain myself?
I don't think this will be a problem with the 2 - I've worked with LEDs quite a bit in the past, they're very tough. The main beam is sat in its own cubby hole behind the lense and therefore shouldn't generate too much heat on the LED surface. Also, the whole unit feels cool enough to touch - however it is rather chilly out.
for £4.05 it's not that much of a gamble.
When trawling the LED's on Ebay, somebody else put this warning, saying the LED must be at least 3 (inches or cms, not sure - great help) away from main lights otherwise the plastic shaft melts.
Whether that applies to all LEDs, don't know. Whether it stops you taking them out or ruins the holder, don't know.
Just something to add to the discussion. BTW how far is the sidelight from the main?
Does anyone know how to remove the front light?
I dont have a clue... maybe a URL with some photos?
I dont know how to install that led! Actually, how the light comes apart , so I can install the led.
Thanks
dont you just pop the front plastics off then you can get to the back of the light from there to change them
QuoteBTW how far is the sidelight from the main?
Probably >3cm & <3in - the side is sat at the bottom of the large reflector. If you drive around with the high-beam on all day s:shock: :shock: s:shock: there may be a heat issue as the high-beam bulb is sat over the top of the side. The main beam is concealed in the tubular housing behind the lense and therefore (in theory) should'nt cause a problem. If it does melt its unlikely it will do long-term damange to the connector IMO.
Quotedont you just pop the front plastics off then you can get to the back of the light from there to change them
That was my plan. However, as I remember when changing the HL, you require the dexterity of squirrel to get into the thing.
Changing the sidelights is easy!
No need to remove the light unit as you can get to it from behind.
Pop out the front plastics (about 16 trim pins which just push out then you can lift the plastic off in one go)
The sidelights are quite easily accesible but you need some dexterity (turn the sidelights on - it will make it obvious where they are when looking at the rear of the light assembly). The bulb holders twist out - push the LED bulb in (if it doesn't work change the polarity), reinsert and twist back to lock.
10mins max. s:D :D s:D
Ok ... I think I screwed up...
I removed the clips ... I lost / damaged some of them!
Some while i tried to popup them out, they poped underneath the plastic , and god knows where they have gone.
So I'm now missing some clips ... any idea where I can find any ? MRT or Ebay?
Besides that, I found the bulb too low,so I was not able to remove the old and insert the new led one. I'll try again!
Ahhh!
I shoul;d have said watch out for the clips they have a mind of their own! A couple of mine went flying but I found all but one (and I can live without that).
Mr T would be the best bet as I wouldn't expect them to be more than a few pennies.
Surprised you couldn't reach the bulb holder, then again I do have very small hands s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Ok, finally I installed them and they look perfect!
The only thing is that they dont match with the post 03 projector main headbeam...I guess there will be something similar at ebay for matching the color. Or better, is there a solution to change the foglights to a matching colour?
Does anyone know what kind of bulbs are the main headlight beam and the foglights?
Thanks Simonp for your help!
foglights are sealed units as far as I am aware - the MR2 manual says that if a foglight bulb goes it should be taken to a dealer and will need replacing as a whole unit.
As an aside I know that the TTE front bumper has the option of uprated foglights (see their website)
A quick search should come up with the post 03 headlight fitting (H7 maybe?)
IMO If you want to really spruce up the lights you need to look into HID main bulbs as I feel these will match up nicely with the LED's (lack of funding is stopping me presently)
From the searches i've done, I found it's H7.
I'll go for a set of Ultra White Xenon H7 Bulbs, ... they only cost 10 quid or something.
I'll try and let you know!
(rob_g_clarkson is keeping his eyes peeled for simos results!)
by the way would these fit on my '03 (facelift) car???? (sorry i'm a bit simple!)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ULTRA-WHITE-XENON-HEADLAMP-LIGHT-BULBS-H7_W0QQitemZ190055080571QQihZ009QQcategoryZ72235QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem
H7's
m http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic. ... highlight= (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10314&highlight=) m
yep, as already mentioned the low beam headlight is H7, while the fog light is 9006... according to the lamp replacement guide on sylvania.com
ok my leds and H7's are in and i love em.....
can the colour of the projectors ('03 car) be changed to a more white (instead of yellowish) colour easily?
EDIT:
found an answer to my own question (wonders will never cease!!! s:roll: :roll: s:roll: )
http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=13444&highlight=
I've done mine and they look great!
Great result, i'll post some pictures soon.
LEDs are in - much improved. Now for the indicators & side repeaters! s:P :P s:P
i broke most (well 15 out of 17!!!) of my clips that hold the plastic tray in... have a guess how much MrT charge for a set of replacements.... 73p each!!!
Blimey £12.41p!!! am I alone in thinking this is a bit steep s:?: :?: s:?:
since they are 10cents in teh US yes
Quote from: "rob_g_clarkson"i broke most (well 15 out of 17!!!) of my clips that hold the plastic tray in...
I guess you didn't get them out properly!
In case its a problem for others, just press the centre (with a small screwdriver or similar) so it moves down a couple of mm. You can then pull the clip out with your finger nails.
To put them back in, pull the centre pin out from the body (again only 2-3mm is all that is required), push the whole clip into the hole, then push the centre back into the body to hold it.
Like most of the clips on the 2, when you know how to do them they are easy, but first time round is a pig.
Quote from: "roger"Quote from: "rob_g_clarkson"i broke most (well 15 out of 17!!!) of my clips that hold the plastic tray in...
I guess you didn't get them out properly!
In case its a problem for others, just press the centre (with a small screwdriver or similar) so it moves down a couple of mm. You can then pull the clip out with your finger nails.
To put them back in, pull the centre pin out from the body (again only 2-3mm is all that is required), push the whole clip into the hole, then push the centre back into the body to hold it.
Like most of the clips on the 2, when you know how to do them they are easy, but first time round is a pig.
ah... i was using the old technique of brute force and ignorance!!!!
Hope this hasnt been covered already...but are LEDs legal as sidelight replacements?
My 2 just got through its first MOT with them in!
I put my LED side-bulbs in yesterday - took me 45 minutes!
1st one about 90 seconds (I run without my plastic tray), the second one the balance.
I dropped it, and it settled on the front "nappy". s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
After much poking and scrabbling and getting nowhere, I jacked the back of the car up, banged the plastic, and it moved forward and dropped through a square hole in the plastic.
Moral of the story - make sure when you are refitting that
1. The bulb is in firmly, and
2. You place the holder into the light squarely without hitting the side of the lens!
Thanks Shauny and Roger.
Might have to go buy some...ive already ordered some H7's for the Vectra from here m http://www.powerbulbs.co.uk/ (http://www.powerbulbs.co.uk/) m and so i get a set free s:) :) s:) for the MR2.
I was so impressed by simonp's new leds that I really wanted the same ones.
If anyone is looking (the white seem not to list on ebay atm) then the seller has a website w www.directleds.co.uk (http://www.directleds.co.uk) w which has them.
Although I'm not looking forward to loosing all these clips when I try to change the sidelights!
Mike.
Yes there is. I bought these (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/2pcs-501-6-LED-Xenon-White-Dash-Wedge-Bulbs_W0QQitemZ200054987651QQihZ010QQcategoryZ72233QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem).
Actually shipped from Hong Kong even though he states UK trader. Good value, basic packaging (just rolled up in bubble wrap), but never mind.
Quote from: "roger"Actually shipped from Hong Kong even though he states UK trader.
Too many are doing that these days! s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Makes people believe the item is already within EU, so you don't have to pay any taxes and the price looks more competitive. No big deal on small items like this, but on more expensive stuff caught by customs... s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
yes and I have been waiting 2 weeks for something that should have came from London in 2 days. s:( :( s:(
Hi, found this site to be a hub of activity... plus you guys seem quite active on my sites, so I thought I would pop by and say 'hi' and don't worry I am not here to sell, just happy to answer a few questions.
Firstly, I should own up, while I love the MR2 (and Celica) and even came very close to buying one I ended up with... MX-5, sorry s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Secondly, well I have been deeling with these LEDs for some time, so happy to answer any questions.. in fact I have already started!
Good to see a few familar names (and of course happy customers!)
All the best
David Sayce
directleds
In reply to the questions already on the forum...
simonp -
>> Thanks for your comments!
"is it just as easy as plug and play as described on ebay?"
>> 99.9% of the time it is a simple replacement, in fact it is not different to replacing with a normal bulb
SimosSpyder -
>>Good to see another happy customer!
"Anyone replaced the rear side & brake lights with LEDs or even indicator
bulbs?"
>> These LED replacement bulbs are again a direct replacement, for brake lights
it is worth remembering the light spread from the LED is often different to
regular bulbs, so look for ones with forward and side facing LEDs
"no , but it should be a simple swap. I haven't bothered yet - because the bulbs will be behind colour filters I'd think the change in light quality qould be less."
>> When replaceing with LEDs behind colour filters/lenses always pick the same colour as the filter/lenses ie Amber or Red for the best colour reproduction. By the way LEDs will often give a shaper brighter light than bulbs and the time they take to light up is noticably faster!
ShaunyF - "ebay ref: 180053653555
buy it now £3.50 + £2.50 postage. I submitted a best offer of £2.60 for two
pairs. Accepted! -total cost £8.10 for 4 inc post."
>> You must have caught me when I was feeling generious!
b3ful - ""Do not use LED bulbs in the same housing with head lamps, the heat will cause them to fail quickly and void the warranty."
Is this just being overly cautious? or should I restrain myself?"
>> Generally LEDs are very robust although temperature is a big killer (anything over about 90-100c). It might be over cautious, but the possiblility of failure is there, it is simply a limitation of all LEDs
markiii - "for the price of an LED bulb suck it and see"
>> I Like your thinking!!
simonp - "no probs after 1st week - LED bulbs have a longer lifespan than
filament bulbs anyway so it may even out.
Interestingly he does list them as sidelight bulbs - which is strange as most
sidelights will be in the same housing as the main beam"
>> Yup the lifespan of LEDs is around 80,000 hours and up to 100,000 hours, heat is normally what will reduce this, yup most sidelights are housed in with the mainbeam... just trying to give people all the facts
rob_g_clarkson - yep i reckon it's a 'get out clause'....
>> hmmm.... suppose so, although I normally replace any that fail anyway (FOC)
Richie - "back on topic though, LED's are pretty resilient and unless they were in very close proximity to the main beam bulbs then i doubt you would have much of an issue to be honest.I think its just the guy writing a disclaimer just in case."
>> Very resilient, in real life I would have thought they would need to be
within 20-30mm for the heat to reall take effect... okay guys, hands up, it is a disclaimer, thankfully I have not had any 'blobs of plastic' returned... yet
ShaunyF - "many of fun days getting paid to blow things up for the government."
>> OOOO, sounds like fun
"This guy also does amber ones. Am I right in thinking the post 03 2 has amber bulbs & clear lenses for the side repeators. If so it should be a quick drop in with definately no heat issues."
>> Yup amber in your side repeators, although the low voltage can couse a 'blown bulb' error, ie fast flashing, this is easily solved with a resistor (also available) to regulate the current.
b3ful - "Gone for 2 sets, but the ebay shop is out of stock!! Must be all our
talk drumming up the interest!"
>>Yes you are!! THANK YOU!! all back in stock now
roger - "Whether that applies to all LEDs, don't know. Whether it stops you
taking them out or ruins the holder, don't know."
>> ALL LED's are currently prone to heat failure, but the heat would just stop them working, it is not hot enough to melt or cause damage - another eBuyer being cautious!
Draggon - "Hope this hasnt been covered already...but are LEDs legal as
sidelight replacements?"
>> Excellent question... bit of a gray area, as with other I have LEDs on my car, no probs with MOT. Police get upset if you use colours though. I also get asked about e-marking... as LED are diodes and not bulbs thay are not e-marked. Perhaps there will be changes when LED headlights start to be used in 2008/9
mw18 - "I was so impressed by simonp's new leds that I really wanted the same ones. If anyone is looking (the white seem not to list on ebay atm) then the seller has a website w www.directleds.co.uk (http://www.directleds.co.uk) w which has them
>> I do like it when you mention the website! All back in stock now
roger - "Actually shipped from Hong Kong even though he states UK trader. Good
value, basic packaging (just rolled up in bubble wrap), but never mind"
>> remember if the cost is over £18 you are liable for VAT and import duty. Also if you buy the 6-LED lights make sure they are the correct size, often they are T-13 rather than T-10 which might not fit. 6-LED T-10 sidelights are available and are not polarized (so work which ever way around you put them)
Mine are still going strong btw - absolutely love them.
Good to hear it! s:D :D s:D
Really like the pictures, the LEDs make the rear look neater with the sharp light they produce
David
will these fit ?
m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T10-W5W-501-X ... 1e617d724b (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T10-W5W-501-Xenon-5-SMD-LED-Side-Light-Bulbs-White-x-2-/130484630091?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e617d724b) m
Any ideas guys? It's just I wanna buy them as soon as possible?
EDIT*
right guys ive found these too?
the reason why i havent gone ahead and brought these are mainly because i dont know if they will fit, i know they have to be 501's W5W and theyve got to be the wedge style too, but everything ive found on spyder search hasnt included a link, and if they have included a link its not worked due to the amount of time that has past since posting the link, so will someone please tell me if they are ok....?
m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-T10-W5W-50 ... 45fcaaafcd (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-T10-W5W-501-194-Xenon-White-SMD-LED-Side-Light-Bulbs-/300591787981?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item45fcaaafcd) m
OR
m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T10-W5W-501-X ... 1e617d724b (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/T10-W5W-501-Xenon-5-SMD-LED-Side-Light-Bulbs-White-x-2-/130484630091?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item1e617d724b) m
just a simple yes or no would be brilliant,
would be very muchly appreciated !
I think you my find that strictly speaking these LED bulbs and not road legal as they are not E Marked - a specific requirement, similar to retrofit HID conversions.
norman
Ive never changed a bulb, but it takes me 5 mins to get the headlight out.
The awkward bit is at the outermost part of the unit is a 10mm bolt build into the casing. This passes through a small hole in the wing with a nut on, which is only accessible from under the arch.
No need to take off the liner or bumper, just some of the fixings.
Search for headlight removal to find a guide. If no luck come back to me and Ill make one.
yeh previously i had to remove my front bumper to take the headlight off the car, so this isnt necessary then sdick dick sdick 2ski?
reason being is because i could never get my hand down far enough to reach the clip to twist the bulb out for the sidelights...
l viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25586 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25586) l
this seems to be all i can find....?
via spyder search all the rest are stating condensation problems etc etc ....?
l viewtopic.php?f=11&t=19986&p=259126 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=19986&p=259126) l
HELP lol!
theres got to be a quicker way to do it !
Undo the top bolt/screws for the head lights and this will allow them to move up about 5-10mm. Then use a finger from each hand down each side to twist and pop the holder out. You need small hands to do this but it can be done without removing the light.
right i shall give this ago when the LED's arrive ! cheers for the help guys!
Would also like to know if the LED's work for sidelights. Want to go HID's soon.
yep that was the reason as to why i got those LED's will let you know the out come.
Quote from: "MidlandMR2"Would also like to know if the LED's work for sidelights. Want to go HID's soon.
Dont mention HID's around here s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:flame: :flame: s:flame:
HIDS.
Lol joking but I still don't see the harm as I had someone behind me last night with them in , and to be honest it didn't bother me at all ...
Quote from: "JoniiBoii"I still don't see the harm
Other than it's illegal to retrofit them onto a car, go for it... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I'm sure they are fine on some cars, but on others you get blinded.
Ah i had heard they where being introduced into MOT's this year, if i'm honest though i usually get the person with stupidly bright lights or fog lights on behind me.
Will probably not have it done if its such a pain now a days.
Facelift projectors and a decent set of bulbs are the way forward if you havent got them already.
Mines prefacelift so nope, have facelift got brighter lights?.
unfortunately i just love the appearance of hids ...as ive already upgraded all my bulbs with osram night breaker +'s including sidelights....and im just not very happy with the yellowness the headlamps are giving ....but you could be very right in the prospects of getting facelight lights, i just dont have the money , but this could be something i may look into in the future...
Thought id post some pictures. You obviously wont get the benefit of what the lights are really like as its difficult to capture and i dont think my phone is up to the job but you get an idea i hope
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They look like , hids? What bulbs?
They are whiter than normal but not quite as white as HID's. The projectors kick out a nice beam of light.
I had Philips xtreme vision in my prefacelift lights and i these are Philips Blue Vision.
The Xtremes are supposed to be better. Ive been happy with both but find it difficult to compare with the difference between the actual lights
Hmm I think they look good! But I'm still a HID man...
Still cant convert you then s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Very good try though ! You nearly had me! Lol