Life brings you funny stories, after waiting for TTE turbo for quite a long time and have bought used PE turbo last month...
At this years ESSEN SHOW 2004, TTE has unvelied production TTE Turbo for MR2. Orders are to be taking right away and deliveries start March 2005.
Engine specs are 184 hp and 250nm of torque and 0-100 in 5.9 secs.
Pricing is set at 6,844 Euro. This is probably pricing with taxes and all included, however I am not sure so someone might want to check with TTE.
Important thing is that now there is an official TTE turbo with 3 year warranty, which is pretty cool thing.
Original article can be found here:
m http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/71 ... special_ha (http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/71849/d_ams_news_special_ha) m
Sorry dude though my germen ain't that good anymore. Could someone translate for me? PLEASE s:D :D s:D
Here's the altavista.com translation of the main text:
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Toyota: Turbo-kit for the MR2
Toyota offers MR2 for the central engine sportsman immediately a turbo-re-tooling kit, which increases the achievement of the 1,8-Liter-Vierzylinders of 140 to 184 HP.
Growth feels also the maximum torque, which culminates now only with 250 Nm and thus 80 Nm more highly. Accordingly also the driving dynamics of the two-seater adds. The maximum speed is with 232 km/h, the standard print on 100 km/h completes the Turbo-MR2 in 5.9 seconds.
The turbo set developed by the Toyota Haustuner TTE can be ordered immediately for 6.844 euro with each Toyota dealer and inserted starting from March 2005.
That's not a very impressive 0-100kph time.
Quote from: "Beanie"That's not a very impressive 0-100kph time.
that's at least a second......not bad, but not much for roughly $7,000!! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
i'd call hass.....
kev
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Jesus, thats only a couple of hundred quid short of £5000!
I think I made the right decision then s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
After what I've seen on the price:performance ratios on TRD superchargers, I'm not all that suprised. I figure I can buy a Hass, have it installed, junk a couple motors and still be on top.
Quote from: "GSB":shock:
Jesus, thats only a couple of hundred quid short of £5000!
And that's why I'm no longer going to wait for the official kit. Now, the only decision left is PE or Hass...
My NA mods put me at 6.0 sec. for 0-60 MPH, which is probably 6.0 - 6.1 for 0-100kph.
Quote from: "Beanie"That's not a very impressive 0-100kph time.
You have to remember that the stock car is quoted to do 7.9s s;) ;) s;) So they are actually saying "2s faster than stock"...
If any of the supposed 'I'm waiting for the TTE to come out' gang actually buy this they must be furkin nuts s:? :? s:?
''supposed'' probably being the right description tho s;-) ;-) s;-)
QuoteIf any of the supposed 'I'm waiting for the TTE to come out' gang actually buy this they must be furkin nuts
If the price goes a bit lower (perhaps this is a list price), and CARB certification was there, I'd be very tempted. MR2 upgrades that are California smog compliant seem to be very limited.
- H2
Quote from: "Beanie"My NA mods put me at 6.0 sec. for 0-60 MPH, which is probably 6.0 - 6.1 for 0-100kph.
Hi;
What NA Mods do you have s:?: :?: s:?:
Crankshaft
Quote from: "crankshaft"Quote from: "Beanie"My NA mods put me at 6.0 sec. for 0-60 MPH, which is probably 6.0 - 6.1 for 0-100kph.
Hi;
What NA Mods do you have s:?: :?: s:?:
Crankshaft
Unichip I assume s:?: :?: s:?:
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When you consider what you're getting in this kit; parts, warranty, fit and forget setup, resale, extensive testing, emissions compliance, etc. £5k is very reasonable. As I've always said, real world performance done right is never cheap.
DIY, of course you will save money, it goes without saying. You will also end up fettling to some degree, no 3rd party system I've ever come across is fit and forget. Also, you will not get your money back come resale time. If anything it will be detremental to the price of the car. You may balk at £5k now, but at least you can sell it as having a Toyota fitted and warranted system.
0-60 is a shit way of measuring the performance of a car. It's next to pointless as in the real world. It's all pub talk and far too many buying decisions are made on it which is utter madness. The torque and how it is delivered is what will make the difference to drivability and that's what matters.
My advice would be to ignore the figures and drive one. Make up your mind from that, not from web banter from people who have never driven it and are basing their whole damning of a product on it's 0-60 time.
Quote from: "juansolo"0-60 is a s**t way of measuring the performance of a car. It's next to pointless as in the real world. It's all pub talk and far too many buying decisions are made on it which is utter madness. The torque and how it is delivered is what will make the difference to drivability and that's what matters.
My advice would be to ignore the figures and drive one. Make up your mind from that, not from web banter from people who have never driven it and are basing their whole damning of a product on it's 0-60 time.
Well said Sir!
Having had the opportunity to drive the TTE prototype (from what I understand the final version before release), the mapping has definately been setup for day to day driving rather than track day all-out power, which results in a car that is far more driveable on normal roads with the power output that the chasis deserved right from day one.
If the car is your daily drive then given the 3 year bullet-proof warranty that you will get with this too, this is an absolute no-brainer.
Having said which I am going to continue working with RogueSystems on a 3SGTE (for the un-initiated thats the engine from a MkII Tubby!) nutter roadster as all I am looking for is a track-day car that I can drive on the road occasionaly (and not require a trailer to get to and from the track) s:D :D s:D
Having been a passenger in the prototype at JAE with Steve as the pilot I can say the performance is not bad compared to a stock 2 s8) 8) s8)
This might explain what the toyota sales guy said to me on Friday, i enquired about the official turbo car relase date, news, etc. He went off and "called Toyota GB" s:?: :?: s:?: he came back saying no factory turbo would be relaeased in the Uk and that an after market TTE one would be avaiable as a kit shortly s:) :) s:)
Andy
Quote from: "heathstimpson"Having been a passenger in the prototype at JAE with Steve as the pilot I can say the performance is not bad compared to a stock 2 s8) 8) s8)
Never drove it myself, but I did hear 'not bad' and 'dissapointing'
Compared with the other options that are 'seriously quick' it seems a lot of money for what it is. of course you have the cushion of warranty etc, but this also means it cant be fettled with to increase the power so your stuck with it as it is.
Will be leaving the club soon due to the car going, but will still pop back every now and again to see if the praisers of this kit actually put their hands in their pockets.
I'll be watching with interest s;-) ;-) s;-)
Quote from: "perry190"Will be leaving the club soon due to the car going, but will still pop back every now and again to see if the praisers of this kit actually put their hands in their pockets.
I was interested, I guess I still am, but I couldn't wait forever. This was said a year ago:
"Gerald is confident that kit is 99% approved and expects to ?close development? in January. This means it could be on sale by spring. Friedel commented that, ?
the kit will be on sale by summer?, hinting that they wouldn?t wait for TMC approval indefinitely."
Also the TTE-thread over here seemed to die during summer:
m http://www.mr2roc.org/forum/viewtopic.p ... &start=100 (http://www.mr2roc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1760&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=100) m
...then again, I was never one of the praisers, just interested in it s:roll: :roll: s:roll: I still think it would be a nice option, if I was buying a new car or mine was still under warranty s8) 8) s8)
same here matey, cars been turbo'd, and then stripped in the time TTE have been fluffing about.
I wouldnt have paid that sort of money with a 'bang for bucks' deal like that tho. the other options are way better in my honest opinion. unless your a very pro-factory option type of owner, and they are unlikely to make such major changes to their car to be honest.
add the cost of the turbo option to the cost of a new car and your entering into the price range of much better cars to be honest IMHO
americans tend to forget THEY have a short ratio gearbox... they have a better stock 0-60 or 0-62...
shaving around 2 seconds of our stock time is pretty impressive...
Quote from: "perry190"I wouldnt have paid that sort of money with a 'bang for bucks' deal like that tho. the other options are way better in my honest opinion. unless your a very pro-factory option type of owner, and they are unlikely to make such major changes to their car to be honest.
TTE is the only legal option over here, which gives it one major advance over the others. If you happen to crash a non-legal turbo, some £5k might seem like a pocket change s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quoteadd the cost of the turbo option to the cost of a new car and your entering into the price range of much better cars to be honest IMHO
Yeah, but you're lucky to live in UK s;) ;) s;) Over here a new '2 is about 33k euros , so it would be some 40k with this turbo, which isn't too bad over here. S2000 gets mentioned a lot, that's 75k over here. Opel Speedster (=VX220) is 58k, BMW Z4 3.0 is about 72k, Convertible Corvette 122k, MB SLK200 Roadster 54k, Boxster 70k and those are about the only RWD Roadsters I can think of s:? :? s:?
well in that case the legalities obviously make a loy of difference to you matey s;-) ;-) s;-)
Quote from: "Tem"Yeah, but you're lucky to live in UK s;) ;) s;) Over here a new '2 is about 33k euros , so it would be some 40k with this turbo, which isn't too bad over here. S2000 gets mentioned a lot, that's 75k over here. Opel Speedster (=VX220) is 58k, BMW Z4 3.0 is about 72k, Convertible Corvette 122k, MB SLK200 Roadster 54k, Boxster 70k and those are about the only RWD Roadsters I can think of s:? :? s:?
A Boxster is cheaper than a Z4 and S2000 s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
An little off the subject...
What does TTE stand for and is it Toyota approved part??? Because I want the turbo though I don't want it to upset my warranty
Please advise thanks
Quote from: "rainmen23"An little off the subject...
What does TTE stand for and is it Toyota approved part??? Because I want the turbo though I don't want it to upset my warranty
Please advise thanks
TTE - Toyota Team Europe, an Toyota owned company responsible for tuning of Toyota cars. All parts fit under Toyota warranty. These are the guys that do F1 and did WRC for Toyota...
Quote from: "heathstimpson"A Boxster is cheaper than a Z4 and S2000 s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Yeah...no one really knows why, but some cars are seriously overpriced over here s:? :? s:? Come to think of it, I've never seen an S2000 or Z4 on the road, just on display...
rainmen, here's TTE's website:
m http://www.tte.de/ (http://www.tte.de/) m
(no mention of this turbo yet though)
A lot of information about the tte turbo, if you can make sense of an automatic translation.
m http://translate.google.com/translate?u ... uage_tools (http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.my-mr2.de%2Fmodules.php%3Fop%3Dmodload%26name%3DphpBB2%26file%3Dviewtopic%26t%3D3827%26highlight%3Dturbo&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools) m
Quote from: "spwolf"All parts fit under Toyota warranty. These are the guys that do F1 and did WRC for Toyota...
I'd be very careful with this. When TTE were at JAE this year, there was much talk that although the Turbo itself would come with a warranty, it wouldn't cover consequential damage. So if you were to fit it and your engine blew up then you'd probably not have any warranty at all.
Now this was rumour, and it may have changed, but it's an issue that's quite important and something you should watch out for.
Check very carefully when buying.
this is a link from that German board ... the bottom link ( The MR2 - Turbo on the Motorshow 2004 in meals by Einheit01) has some close-ups on the TTE setup.
http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=pt-PT&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&langpair=de%7Cen&u=http://www.chorge.de/MR2/videos.htm&prev=/language_tools
Quote from: "Tem"Convertible Corvette 122k,
s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
good lord!! that's a full 300% more than in the u.s. ............you can buy a 2 yr old c5 z06 for less than $30k usd.......a
new c6 wouldn't cost much more than $50k........
btw, isn't it mika salo who has and dearly loves his corvette? or am i thinking of someone else?
kev
Quote from: "kulprit"you can buy a 2 yr old c5 z06 for less than $30k usd.......
Oh my...you can get some 80's models for $30k over here s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
m http://www.nettiauto.com/viewVehicle.php?id_car=120788 (http://www.nettiauto.com/viewVehicle.php?id_car=120788) m
Quotebtw, isn't it mika salo who has and dearly loves his corvette? or am i thinking of someone else?
Maybe you're thinking of Teemu Selänne...? He has several US muscle cars, including few Vette's.
AFAIK, Mika doesn't have a Corvette...he does have a '69 Camaro with Toyota with R36V in it though! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
(a bit off topic, sowwy s:oops: :oops: s:oops: )
Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "kulprit"you can buy a 2 yr old c5 z06 for less than $30k usd.......
Oh my...you can get some 80's models for $30k over here s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
m http://www.nettiauto.com/viewVehicle.php?id_car=120788 (http://www.nettiauto.com/viewVehicle.php?id_car=120788) m
Quotebtw, isn't it mika salo who has and dearly loves his corvette? or am i thinking of someone else?
Maybe you're thinking of Teemu Selänne...? He has several US muscle cars, including few Vette's.
AFAIK, Mika doesn't have a Corvette...he does have a '69 Camaro with Toyota with R36V in it though! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
(a bit off topic, sowwy s:oops: :oops: s:oops: )
it was definitely a journeyman f1 driver......maybe jos verstappen....
an 80's corvette (which makes all of 200hp) can be had for far less than $10k here.........
kev
I would get it, instead of buying a new car!
Don't you think?
It's strange however, that I couldn't find anything relatively in the official TTE web site....
I hope it will be officialy announced.
Quote from: "xdesign"It's strange however, that I couldn't find anything relatively in the official TTE web site....
Could be cause of this "deliveries start March 2005"
Quick update for any1 interested.
Finally got a reply from TTE, regarding their turbo, here is an extract:
'We will start to build the MR2 Turbo Kits in spring 2005.
Your price is 6.932,50 Euro incl. VAT, installation and TÜV homologation. Installation time will be around 8 hours and will only be done in our workshop in Cologne/Germany.
If you are interested in please contact me from March onwards for an installation date.'
Don't know if this is exactly what people hoped for mind s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
ok, 7000€ is a lot... a LOT s:? :? s:?
I guess you can have details about the warranty offered. because, I am pretty sure a good part of the price if a kind of insurance...
is the average Toyota mech able to take care of the modified engine?
I don't know how it works in UK but in France, we have to declare the mods to a governmental organisation... do TTE take care of that? s:? :? s:?
I just wonder about the insurance thing... s:? :? s:?
And on top of that price the car has to be taken to Germany and back too s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Helluva drive back though.... s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Unichip, anyone? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I guess the TTE turbo is not only too expensive. My opinion ist, that the TTE is not build very well.
In germany we have a new turbo kit, have a look:
Due to the german TÜV regulations we first start with 170 hp; more power is possible.
(http://mr2.stoeni.de/workshop/turbo/muggianu/mr2turbov2-700x500.jpg)
Some more informations here: w www.muggianu-turbo.de (http://www.muggianu-turbo.de) w (only german spoken web-site)
Please recognize that the kit in my car is the first one, and some things still have to be done... more informations as soon as possible.
really and what experience of it leads you to beleive it is not very well made?
The piping of the intake air for example.
(http://www.my-mr2.de/albums/albur91/PIC_0003.sized.jpg)
Sure... it works, but it´s not a good solution s:!: :!: s:!: And what about the intercooler? As much as I know (my last information, please correct me if I`m wrong...) it`s a air-air intercooler placed near to the "bottom" of the engine bay, I wonder how it works efficently?
Best thing of the tte ist the price... it`s a good help making a decision. s;) ;) s;)
I've said it before, and I'll say it again...
IMHO, the TTE kit is not targeted at the average owner here - we're all enthusiasts, and so more prepared to experiment/take chances/play with less-tested/prototype/bespoke alternatives. The TTE kit however is/was intended to be sold as a black-box/fit-n-forget/plug-n-play option for the 'normal' owner who just wants his car "to go faster", with no regard for the technical detail.
To compare the TTE kit (either on price or technical merit) to any of the other options is not a like-for-like comparison.
I'd buy a Hass kit and an extra 1ZZ for that price s:( :( s:(
Finally now it is for real s:P :P s:P
The TTE turbo is on the market.
Photos of the first one installed:
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It is expensive, but it is not only the turbo. Lots of mods in the car.
It looks real good s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "pp"Finally now it is for real s:P :P s:P
The TTE turbo is on the market.
Photos of the first one installed:
m http://www.my-mr2.de/modules.php?op=mod ... me=albuu04 (http://www.my-mr2.de/modules.php?op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&set_albumName=albuu04) m
It is expensive, but it is not only the turbo. Lots of mods in the car.
It looks real good s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Are they still restricting the horses to 185BHP s:?: :?: s:?: Seems too low and too expensive compared with the lads Hass systems s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Blah...that's too powerful to be legal over here s:? :? s:?