Hi all,
I am looking to fit coilovers to the car this year, its currently on stock shocks and Tein lowering springs, however the last MOT noted that one of the rear dampers has started to fail, the car is currently on 175k miles so I have decided to refresh the suspension and look to change to coilovers and upgrade bushings etc whilst I am at it. I can also check for any other areas when everything is apart, I already know I need to swap out the rear discs and pads etc, the good news is that the rear calipers have been replaced at some point and the car passed its MOT (although with an advisory on the handbrake efficiency). I think the hand brake issue is a combination of slightly grooved discs and low material on the pads - I also think the pads are more track focused so they don't really grip well in the cold - cables move freely though.
Anyway I am looking for some advice on coilovers, I know that TCB are currently offering some K Sport coilovers but I have also seen some other coilovers for sale for our car namely the BC coilovers - the BR series. I have found that there are 3 different levels of the BR series:
RA = Front pillow ball, rubber rear mount
RH = Front pillow ball, rear pillow ball
MH = Same as RH but inverted damper
I believe that the K sport coilovers TCB offer have just the front pillow mounts, so would be equivalent to the RA version? Do I need the rear pillow ball mount or will I be ok with just the front only - I am guessing I should aim for the RH version as I don't think there is camber adjustment on the rear of our cars?
What is everyones thoughts on these coilovers - I know there are coilovers that are far more expensive but the car will be a road car rather than track only so I probably won't need some of the more advanced features on the high end versions.
I'd suggest just going with MeisterR's.
They are well priced, the valving is done well and there are lots here who have them and you can do lots of rides in them with and without polys to satisfy yourself.
I'm sure the ksports are good- but no one here has them.
As such you'll be the guinea pig.
Quote from: "jvanzyl"I'd suggest just going with MeisterR's.
They are well priced, the valving is done well and there are lots here who have them and you can do lots of rides in them with and without polys to satisfy yourself.
I'm sure the ksports are good- but no one here has them.
As such you'll be the guinea pig.
I believe that the K sports are the main coilover in the US and the modding scene seems to be more over in the US rather than the UK (which is why I am finding it harder to find forged 1zz parts in the UK as MWR in the US has basically all the parts you would ever need but would be a fair amount more to get them shipped over).
I also feel that the MeisterRs might be slightly out of budget considering they are around twice the price of the K sport or BCs.
I guess the other option is to find some upgraded adjustable dampers instead of the stock shocks and run my current Tein springs although I have a feeling that this might work out about the same cost as a set of new BC coilovers!
Fair enough man- but your ride quality will make or break the experience.... I see little point in saving £200?ish if MeisterR's are around £800? If you're going through all the effort with the engine..
I know k sports are big in the US and have heard from Paul at TCB about them. But you're honestly going to be the first on the country to have them and as such it's a risk.
I'm very pleased with my BCs and have been for years now.
4/6kg springs option and rear rubber top mount to retain a bit comfort
Perfect fit and brake line mounting tab like stock.
Great availability of any of the parts in case something breaks.
Do recommend getting some strut socks to protect them from the elements as it gets a bit rusty.
Ask for pricing on meister R's. I certainly didn't pay £800 for mine and that wasn't even a group buy...
Meisters for me too, plenty of adjustability for fine tuning and are more forgiving for the state of our bumpy, pothole filled UK roads.
They are also an affiliate on here, worth a read through some of their threads.
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He has a discount code in his signature and 0% finance option, you will need to see if it's still valid but worth an ask imo
Meister R for the roadster are never 800 quid. Would be my pick have had 2 roadsters with them.
K sport could be great but I don't know anyone running them.
Some coilovers are way to harsh for UK roads.
BC are well thought of too.
If you have the money Tein are supposed to be great.
Tbh mate no point having all those lovely forged parts and mega turbo power if your suspension ain't up to it.
I think Tokico Illumina would be the benchmark for adjustable replacement damper inserts. I think 4 of them will easily cost £600.
Also.. I'll take a small wager that your handbrake advisory isn't down to grooved disks and worn pads [emoji3]
any advice on sources for these? looks like £830 from MeisterR: m https://www.meisterr.co.uk/products/zetacrd-plus/ (https://www.meisterr.co.uk/products/zetacrd-plus/) m
Quote from: "BahnStormer"any advice on sources for these? looks like £830 from MeisterR: m https://www.meisterr.co.uk/products/zetacrd-plus/ (https://www.meisterr.co.uk/products/zetacrd-plus/) m
Put mr2roc in the coupon section in the checkout and it takes 5% off.
Alternatively if there's enough interest you could ask to get a group buy going, I got mine through one of their group buys organised on here for about £650.00
I would be interested in a group buy
+1 for Meister's. Prefer them to the BC's I had.
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Quote from: "jonbill"I'll take a small wager that your handbrake advisory isn't down to grooved disks and worn pads [emoji3]
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "1979scotte"Meister R for the roadster are never 800 quid. Would be my pick have had 2 roadsters with them.
K sport could be great but I don't know anyone running them.
Some coilovers are way to harsh for UK roads.
BC are well thought of too.
If you have the money Tein are supposed to be great.
Tbh mate no point having all those lovely forged parts and mega turbo power if your suspension ain't up to it.
I didn't think they were at £800 but I was pricing up the Meister coilovers based on the GT1 coilovers, their ZetaCRD+ are currently at £829
m https://www.meisterr.co.uk/products/zetacrd-plus/ (https://www.meisterr.co.uk/products/zetacrd-plus/) m
If the Meisters are better than the BC coilovers or K Sport I am tempted, although they don't have the rear pillow ball as you would get from the BC RHs - which are currently at £720 a set.
What spring rates should I look to get? 4/7 or 5/7?
Quote from: "Ardent"Quote from: "jonbill"I'll take a small wager that your handbrake advisory isn't down to grooved disks and worn pads [emoji3]
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Both cables move freely and the calipers have been refreshed?
Quote from: "wotugonado"if there's enough interest you could ask to get a group buy going, I got mine through one of their group buys organised on here for about £650.00
Ooooh.... interesting!! How many did we need last time to get it down to £650?? (and/or who are our contacts at MeisterR?)
Sorry for the thread hijack, but I figure I'm asking the same "coilover advice questions" - so figure it's better to get people to focus collective efforts in one place, especially when people may ask questions that I haven't even thought of yet. On that note, what else should should be lined up (in terms of parts) that ought to be looked at at the same time as brakes and suspension? I'm not looking to go too crazy here as this all started with needing new back discs... and I'm already lining up Black Diamond G6's + YellowStuff pads (front and rear for both), Goodridge Phantom braided lines and now eyeing up suspension too...
Go on the affiliates section on this forum and look through the threads on there, edwin i think is his name.
Quote from: "m1tch"Quote from: "1979scotte"Meister R for the roadster are never 800 quid. Would be my pick have had 2 roadsters with them.
K sport could be great but I don't know anyone running them.
Some coilovers are way to harsh for UK roads.
BC are well thought of too.
If you have the money Tein are supposed to be great.
Tbh mate no point having all those lovely forged parts and mega turbo power if your suspension ain't up to it.
I didn't think they were at £800 but I was pricing up the Meister coilovers based on the GT1 coilovers, their ZetaCRD+ are currently at £829
m https://www.meisterr.co.uk/products/zetacrd-plus/ (https://www.meisterr.co.uk/products/zetacrd-plus/) m
If the Meisters are better than the BC coilovers or K Sport I am tempted, although they don't have the rear pillow ball as you would get from the BC RHs - which are currently at £720 a set.
What spring rates should I look to get? 4/7 or 5/7?
Go for lighter spring rates unless it's purely a track machine
Meister R affiliate page.
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I got mine before they became CRD and with a big discount paid way less than 829.
You should get the 5% club discount off that though.
Edit
Rear pillow ball isn't always ideal for the road again if it purely for track then go ahead.
Tbh if it is for track just get BC.
The car will be probably be a 90% road car so it looks like I should look to get the Meister CRD+ - if there is a group buy on them I am in, if not, even high £700s for a set of good coilovers is still good value.
Good to know I probably won't be needing the rear pillow ball - although that does mean the the BC coilovers RA are the same in terms of setup but are at around £700 - would probably go with the Meisters as it would only be about £70 more and that's without a groupbuy price!
Quote from: "m1tch"The car will be probably be a 90% road car so it looks like I should look to get the Meister CRD+ - if there is a group buy on them I am in, if not, even high £700s for a set of good coilovers is still good value.
Good to know I probably won't be needing the rear pillow ball - although that does mean the the BC coilovers RA are the same in terms of setup but are at around £700 - would probably go with the Meisters as it would only be about £70 more and that's without a groupbuy price!
Loads of people are happy with the BC on the 4/6 springs but from a few test drives I've had I think the meister R are more supple not tried the new CRD+ but they're supposed to be even better.
I believe they're very popular with the m X 5 lot.
Think I will aim for the Meisters then s:) :) s:)
m1tch, I've just dropped a note through to Jerrick to see what sort of discount might be available (% and how many people we'd need). If you can hold on a bit, it would get us one extra person towards a group buy critical mass. I've not arranged one of these before, so just stumbling along as best I can.
If I don't have a reply in the next day or two, I'll ping the MeisterR sales team via a webpage form/e-mail directly, but I figured I'd give the MR2ROC message system a chance first (plus their site is blocked at my work)....
Quote from: "BahnStormer"m1tch, I've just dropped a note through to Jerrick to see what sort of discount might be available (% and how many people we'd need). If you can hold on a bit, it would get us one extra person towards a group buy critical mass. I've not arranged one of these before, so just stumbling along as best I can.
If I don't have a reply in the next day or two, I'll ping the MeisterR sales team via a webpage form/e-mail directly, but I figured I'd give the MR2ROC message system a chance first (plus their site is blocked at my work)....
I am happy to wait - no real rush as the current suspension is ok at the moment as I don't think the damper has failed - would be great if we could get a further discount, if not its still a good price with the affiliate discount for a good set of coilovers.
MeisterR looks pretty inactive on this forum, so I think I'll have to drop them a mail over the weekend.
Quote from: "BahnStormer"MeisterR looks pretty inactive on this forum, so I think I'll have to drop them a mail over the weekend.
It's been 4hrs since you said you'd get in touch!
He generally responds well but in general, most affiliates will be monitoring their email more than their forum account. So, if you want a swift reply then phone is the way forward
Quote from: "shnazzle"Quote from: "BahnStormer"MeisterR looks pretty inactive on this forum, so I think I'll have to drop them a mail over the weekend.
It's been 4hrs since you said you'd get in touch!
He generally responds well but in general, most affiliates will be monitoring their email more than their forum account. So, if you want a swift reply then phone is the way forward
Ha ha - I wasn't going on the lack of reply - more the "last post" / "last active" status on his profile.... I'm guessing he still picks up mails from the forum, so I'll give him some time for that.
did somebody say group buy?
Did somebody say group buy? I would like very much to be involved in any such endeavour!
I have to admit something first to set expectations...
So far no affiliates have (successfully?) logged into the new forum.
I've got a task to get them all set up and in some cases renew their affiliation before any group buys can take place.
I'm on it..when I can get to it
I got a reply back, but we'd need >10 to get any group buy discount :(
I'm after something that retains most of the ride comfort, as I do a lot of very bumpy country roads every day... so I think MeisterR's dialed to their softer (near-OEM?) settings are my best option, but I'm guessing we're not going to get 10 extra members up for the same in the same timeframe? (shout if you think you're up for these in the next few months!)
Quote from: BahnStormer on February 21, 2018, 22:16
I got a reply back, but we'd need >10 to get any group buy discount :(
I'm after something that retains most of the ride comfort, as I do a lot of very bumpy country roads every day... so I think MeisterR's dialed to their softer (near-OEM?) settings are my best option, but I'm guessing we're not going to get 10 extra members up for the same in the same timeframe? (shout if you think you're up for these in the next few months!)
Just as an FYI, mine is very "bouncy" on the softest settings, if I remember rightly I'm on 4-6 front/rear at the moment, not too harsh around town especially if your seats are plump.
You'll know about it on bad roads though...
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You need a test drive if you think it will bother you.
No coilover equipped car I have had is close to stock level of comfort.
Rewards in other ways.
A few people have regretted their choice of going non stock.
I must say that on my current setup with the heavier engine and PFL wheels it feels better than my turbo car on FL. Same AD08R tyres. Something like Toyos with their soft sidewalls can help but the kinda defeats the object for me.
Are you coming to DD?
Plenty of scope for test drives there.
Quote from: 1979scotte on February 22, 2018, 07:07
You need a test drive if you think it will bother you.
No coilover equipped car I have had is close to stock level of comfort.
Rewards in other ways.
A few people have regretted their choice of going non stock.
I must say that on my current setup with the heavier engine and PFL wheels it feels better than my turbo car on FL. Same AD08R tyres. Something like Toyos with their soft sidewalls can help but the kinda defeats the object for me.
Are you coming to DD?
Plenty of scope for test drives there.
Agree with the above, you really have to experience them and consider the rest of your set up.
For me at the time of the group buy it was the most cost effective way of replacing the full suspension all round with some scope for lowering.
Would I do it again? I'll see what it's like with the newer, leather seats over the tired old cloth ones before I answer that.
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Daily driver over various kinds of roads: KYB shocks (or Sachs) and some Tein springs with some people polybushing of arms.
Weekend toy or summer only: coilovers all day long.
Would I get them again?...
Mine's a daily. I'd be lying if I said they didn't annoy me sometimes.
I'd do it again as I treat it like a weekend toy although it's a daily. But,there are many times I drive Helen's car on TTE springs and stock suspension and think...this is so much smoother and more comfy.
Are the k-sports from tcb not a softer spring rate? I have 3 / 5 in my head for some reason??
Quote from: mikek on February 22, 2018, 14:23
Are the k-sports from tcb not a softer spring rate? I have 3 / 5 in my head for some reason??
If that's the case it would make a decent difference to rise comfort.
But it's not just all about spring rate.
Quote from: shnazzle on February 22, 2018, 14:27
Quote from: mikek on February 22, 2018, 14:23
Are the k-sports from tcb not a softer spring rate? I have 3 / 5 in my head for some reason??
If that's the case it would make a decent difference to rise comfort.
But it's not just all about spring rate.
Just to avoid confusion, I was talking about adjustment "clicks" when I quoted 4-6, out of 0-32.
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Quote from: shnazzle on February 22, 2018, 14:27
Quote from: mikek on February 22, 2018, 14:23
Are the k-sports from tcb not a softer spring rate? I have 3 / 5 in my head for some reason??
If that's the case it would make a decent difference to rise comfort.
But it's not just all about spring rate.
Agreed it's not all about spring rate.
Not saying the yellows aren't good but again you need to sample them.
Did anyone consider or perhaps have got Koni Chassis Sport Kit fitted? Well known manufacturers and should be a bit softer than coilovers
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Koni-Chassis-Sport-Kit-for-Toyota-MR2-Spyder-1-8-16V-ZZW30-1140-3991/372279791737?hash=item56ad9ad079:g:LdkAAOSw-pNbtdNn:rk:1:pf:0
Im pondering trying the KW V3 coilovers and will start another thread about them if i do, anyone on here already have them ? im interested in real world feedback :D
Ive spoken with the KW guys and the V3 sounds ideal for what im after in thats its not too firmly sprung so more fast road setup than track really, being 2way adjustable (compression and rebound) its got more scope than some of cheaper setups out there if you have time and knowledge to tinker with it so they will still handle track use a lot better than stock but with good road manners as well, partly due to spring rates but also damping being much better quality than the BC/Meister/Ksport cheaper setups, its not a cheap kit but i dont mind paying for a good quality setup that will last and work well.
I was going Koni insert route to go with my Tein springs but started to think i need a more focused setup, hence ponder KW
Ian
Quote from: thetyrant on January 17, 2019, 11:59
Im pondering trying the KW V3 coilovers and will start another thread about them if i do, anyone on here already have them ? im interested in real world feedback :D
Ive spoken with the KW guys and the V3 sounds ideal for what im after in thats its not too firmly sprung so more fast road setup than track really, being 2way adjustable (compression and rebound) its got more scope than some of cheaper setups out there if you have time and knowledge to tinker with it so they will still handle track use a lot better than stock but with good road manners as well, partly due to spring rates but also damping being much better quality than the BC/Meister/Ksport cheaper setups, its not a cheap kit but i dont mind paying for a good quality setup that will last and work well.
I was going Koni insert route to go with my Tein springs but started to think i need a more focused setup, hence ponder KW
Ian
I have brand new Meisters in a box and would really like to hear your opinion on KW. It would be best for me to have air suspension but its too complex and heavy. My idea is to be sub 1000kgs with everything setup for the track. With the roads here Meisters are quite harsh but i dont mind(tried them on another car) and will most likely run them for some time.
Quote from: Nvy on January 17, 2019, 12:14
I have brand new Meisters in a box and would really like to hear your opinion on KW. It would be best for me to have air suspension but its too complex and heavy. My idea is to be sub 1000kgs with everything setup for the track. With the roads here Meisters are quite harsh but i dont mind(tried them on another car) and will most likely run them for some time.
I think the only way im going to know is try them for myself, ive got a few other jobs to sort in next week or so then i should be in a position to order the KW and will be certain to report back if i do, im very fussy on suspension and demand a lot from it (good road manners and decent enough performance for track) and on my my BMW i tried 7 different setups before settling on the Koni Sports which was best allrounder i tried, hence thinking of same on the 2 initally but now KW has caught my eye after reading good things from users in usa, would be good to get UK road feedback though.
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My advice....replace with fresh stock setup :)
Don't add bracing, don't change wheel sizes, don't change tyre sizes.... It's not worth the headache haha
But to be helpful, I've always heard the KWs need some modifications to fit? Is that still the case?
Quote from: shnazzle on January 17, 2019, 12:28
My advice....replace with fresh stock setup :)
Don't add bracing, don't change wheel sizes, don't change tyre sizes.... It's not worth the headache haha
But to be helpful, I've always heard the KWs need some modifications to fit? Is that still the case?
Haha yes there is a lot to said for keeping it simple, i have fitted good used stock dampers with new tein springs and it works reasonably well on road but you can feel the lack of damping /body control when pushing on though, probably be worse now ive got some sticky rubber on and will found out when i find a dry road!, this is what made me start thinking of going coilover, which i was going to swerve on this car.
I did read on here somebody had issue fitting a KW kit but i think it might of been incorrect kit or early development set maybe reading between the lines, KW tell me its a direct plug and play kit using stock top mounts, as its TUV approved it has to be :D
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have a read before you buy any coiliovers.
https://iscsuspension-na.com/monotube-vs-twin-tube-difference-better/
Meister R Mono tube £850
BC RM Mono tube £1050
if its road use only I go with
https://www.larkspeed.com/shopper/i/277L11403991/Toyota-MR2-Spyder-1-8-16v-ZZW30-Koni-Sport-Suspension-Kit
Quote from: thetyrant on January 17, 2019, 12:35
Haha yes there is a lot to said for keeping it simple, i have fitted good used stock dampers with new tein springs and it works reasonably well on road but you can feel the lack of damping /body control when pushing on though, probably be worse now ive got some sticky rubber on and will found out when i find a dry road!, this is what made me start thinking of going coilover, which i was going to swerve on this car.
I also found the Tein-S with stock struts to be a bit underdamped, particularly in the front. However, the Tein-S work very well with Koni inserts. The Koni's seem well matched to the spring rates and you can adjust the rebound to suit your tastes. I ended up 3/4 turn from full soft on the street
That Koni deal isn't bad...
What spring rates are the springs?
I think im going back to my original plan to try the Koni route with Tein springs as until i sell the Celica GT4 i dont want to be delving too deep modding the MR2, its meant to be a cheap fun/toy.
Spring rates for H&R springs which come with the Koni are same rate/drop as the Tein looking at this - https://www.spyderchat.com/forums/showthread.php?104465-Spring-Rates-Table-for-Lowering-Springs that is unless Koni get H&R to make something special for the kit but i doubt it at these volumes.
The complete Koni kit with dampers and springs is a good price if you dont already have lowered springs, its just the ballache of cutting and drilling stock damper casing to fit them but its not a huge job and ive got a spare set of stock dampers to play with so not so bad.
Ian
I had it in my head that KWs were getting on for 2k? If so, then I doubt there's many MR2 owners who would fit them..
Koni has 2 kits. One uses H&R springs and the kit sold in the US uses Eibach springs. Both use the Koni cartridges which require cutting the stock housings. Since the Tein-S springs are similar in rate to H&R and Eibach, all three setups should work well
Quote from: Beachbum957 on January 24, 2019, 17:03
Koni has 2 kits. One uses H&R springs and the kit sold in the US uses Eibach springs. Both use the Koni cartridges which require cutting the stock housings. Since the Tein-S springs are similar in rate to H&R and Eibach, all three setups should work well
That's interesting thanks for info, I was going to order the Koni dampers next week but the rears are out of stock everywhere I tried so far, Koni HQ are quoting march for next lot, will see if I can find a reseller with stock.
Im tempted to get some coilover conversion sleeves so I can play around with spring rates but I think for time being I will just run with the Tein springs and see how they go for my usage.
Ian
Quote from: james_ly on January 24, 2019, 16:57
I had it in my head that KWs were getting on for 2k? If so, then I doubt there's many MR2 owners who would fit them..
KW v3 isn't cheap around £1500, I can get a bit cheaper via contact there but its still pretty pricey, its a quality kit thought and from past experience you do get what you pay for with such things.
Ok after lots more thinking and research I decided to go with my original plan of Koni Sport damper inserts which I will initially run with my Tein-S springs, I managed to find some Koni stock in Germany so ordered today and should be here next week.
Long term plan is probably to convert the stock strut housing to take a coilover threaded sleeve so I can then run normal 2.25 or 2.5" coilover springs, this will enable me to fine tune things giving quality adjustable damping with the Koni insert and adjustable height and spring rates, it does mean welding on a threaded sleeve to damper body but as its got to be cut open anyway for the koni insert its no biggy, this is a common mod in usa on these and other cars and makes a nice ride giving a more road friendly coilover setup.
Will see how I go on the Tein springs on the Konis first as it might be ok for what im doing, If its just some extra stiffness for track I need then another option is to stay with Koni/Tein setup and fit uprated ARB, so plenty of options to explore.
Here are two other option both of which I have done.
First you can built source a used set of coilovers with koni shocks and build your own koni coilovers. You will have full ride height adjustment, camber plates, and choice of any spring rate you want.
Here is a set I built using used HSD coilovers.
(https://i.postimg.cc/L69MgMgG/download.jpg)
Second you can source a set of used BC racing coilovers and swap out the internals with digressive bilstein pistons and shims. Valves properly it will ride just a good as any koni shock and give you the advantage of monotube adjustable.
Has anybody done the Bilstein re-valving and shimming on here?
Anybody also recommend some slightly softer springs for the BCs?
TiA Mark
Quote from: Mark A on June 27, 2021, 17:03Has anybody done the Bilstein re-valving and shimming on here?
Anybody also recommend some slightly softer springs for the BCs?
TiA Mark
If you want softer than BC sell and get meister R
I would do but I'm on a tight budget and already have the BCs.
I might have found a solution, I'll let you know Monday or Tuesday when potential solution arrives.
Quote from: Mark A on July 7, 2021, 12:55I might have found a solution, I'll let you know Monday or Tuesday when potential solution arrives.
I'm curios too...
Patience my child! Santa is coming soon.
My secondhand KW Coilovers V3 I bought recently off a popular auction site arrived yesterday, they need quick wash as they've sat gathering dust in a garage for a few years, but they look in really good condition with a couple of very small rust spots on the springs . I'll hopefully fit them to car this weekend and report back but I'm really looking forward to trying them out. Undecided if I should try and fit the BC top mounts or just opt for the KW rubber top mounts.
Quote from: Mark A on July 13, 2021, 10:56My secondhand KW Coilovers V3 I bought recently off a popular auction site arrived yesterday, they need quick wash as they've sat gathering dust in a garage for a few years, but they look in really good condition with a couple of very small rust spots on the springs . I'll hopefully fit them to car this weekend and report back but I'm really looking forward to trying them out. Undecided if I should try and fit the BC top mounts or just opt for the KW rubber top mounts.
I'd stick with all KW if it was me.
Quote from: Mark A on July 13, 2021, 10:56My secondhand KW Coilovers V3 I bought recently off a popular auction site arrived yesterday, they need quick wash as they've sat gathering dust in a garage for a few years, but they look in really good condition with a couple of very small rust spots on the springs . I'll hopefully fit them to car this weekend and report back but I'm really looking forward to trying them out. Undecided if I should try and fit the BC top mounts or just opt for the KW rubber top mounts.
Congrats. Hopefully they are in good shape. Most use the Cusco topmount with these.
Maybe you can add them later on.
Looking forward to your review.
Cheers Dev, my thinking re the top mounts. I'll do a back to back review and I might even try a short video before and after on the rubbish roads around the house.
They have come off a race car which had them fitted, entered a race series and needed to use something else to be eligible for the competition, they then sat in the garage for a length time so fingers crossed.
Quote from: Mark A on July 13, 2021, 16:44Cheers Dev, my thinking re the top mounts. I'll do a back to back review and I might even try a short video before and after on the rubbish roads around the house.
They have come off a race car which had them fitted, entered a race series and needed to use something else to be eligible for the competition, they then sat in the garage for a length time so fingers crossed.
The pillow ball mounts generally have a lot less compliance so you should get better shock performance as well as turning feel but I am sure it will work just as well.
The camber plates will allow you to dial in the right amount which I found essential in reducing understeer. From some older discussions on these the reason why they never came with this feature is they could not be approved for street use. I wish KW would have sold these plates as race only options so you didn't have to get them from Cusco.
When you mentioned in an earlier post you found a solution, you certainly did. Good luck.
Quote from: Mark A on July 13, 2021, 10:56My secondhand KW Coilovers V3 I bought recently off a popular auction site arrived yesterday, they need quick wash as they've sat gathering dust in a garage for a few years, but they look in really good condition with a couple of very small rust spots on the springs . I'll hopefully fit them to car this weekend and report back but I'm really looking forward to trying them out. Undecided if I should try and fit the BC top mounts or just opt for the KW rubber top mounts.
Nice purchase :) Apologies if already mentioned elsewhere but are you currently running BCs?
Hi Ron,
I bought a cheap set of BCs which I refreshed with some powder coating, changing of spring collets/seats and general cleaning.
Dev, hopefully I've found a nice solution that's not cost a fortune.
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@Dev the numbers on the helper springs... front 10 - 60 - 80 rear 20? - 60 - 80
Are the latter two the I/D & length? The 10 & 20 - Nm/mm ?
Main spring numbers?
Quote from: Gaz mr-s on July 15, 2021, 16:23@Dev the numbers on the helper springs... front 10 - 60 - 80 rear 20? - 60 - 80
Are the latter two the I/D & length? The 10 & 20 - Nm/mm ?
Main spring numbers?
If you are referring to the KW springs I do not have any idea.
Just know the spring rate for twin tube and the kind of valving will be very different than a mono tube strut like the BC and cant really be compared.
What I do know is KW has done very good work determining the proper spring rates and damping for the street with plenty of real adjustability. Most cheap coilovers do not have much if any damping adjustably.
Quote from: Mark A on July 15, 2021, 14:44Hi Ron,
I bought a cheap set of BCs which I refreshed with some powder coating, changing of spring collets/seats and general cleaning.
Dev, hopefully I've found a nice solution that's not cost a fortune.
They look ok. What I would do if you have the time is mark and loosen the spring adjustment. Remove the top hat and spring then compress each damper. This is to check to see none of them are locked up from a bent rod and to compare each one against each other to see if they all behave the same way of the force of going in and coming back. If they all seem consistent without any obvious leaks I think they should give you confidence you got a good set.