Does anyone know someone/seen someone who has a veilside MRS in the uk as Ive just ordered one!
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Does anyone know someone/seen someone who has a veilside MRS in the uk as Ive just ordered one!
BLING BLING BLING! sorry, i mean no i dont know anyone.... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Sorry Im new to this what does bling bling mean?
Do you not like the kit?
sorry, just messing with ya!
Bit to OTT for my tastes... man i feel old! s:? :? s:?
I don't think there is one in the UK yet, though Adam may have seen one come in on the import auctions, i know that Nemesis Performance now have the Veilside kit in stock (in the UK) for £3060, plus painting and fitting, thats a pretty good price s:) :) s:)
Andy
Bah! Ignore Kris, if he doesn't like something then it's wrong, apparently.
I don't know of anyone with a Veilside kit but there has been some discussion about it on here before and it's seemed to split people's opinions. IIRC someone out there was after one, they're friggin' expensive though, about £3,000 plus fitting IIRC!
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
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Edited to say Andy beat me to it!!
Quote from: "Hardcore"Bah! Ignore Kris, if he doesn't like something then it's wrong, apparently.
LOL, says hardcore.... classic! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Wow! It would be great to have the only one in the uk! I think it looks totally unique!
I could only afford it coz I wrote off my old black roadster, I was devestated!
I would post a pic but I dont know how??
Can someone show me please?
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"Quote from: "Hardcore"Bah! Ignore Kris, if he doesn't like something then it's wrong, apparently.
LOL, says hardcore.... classic! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
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Quote from: "bluephoenix"I would post a pic but I dont know how??
Can someone show me please?
put the pic on a web server somewhere, then in your post click on the Img button, then type in the full URL of the image location, then click the Img button again... job done! s:D :D s:D
If you need a place to host the pic, email it to e
mr2roc@mr2-roadster.co.uk e and i will put it on my server for you.
Picture is on this thread
m http://www.mr2roc.org/viewtopic.php?t=624&highlight= (http://www.mr2roc.org/viewtopic.php?t=624&highlight=) m
Quote from: "bluephoenix"I think it looks totally unique
...and totally destroys what the car is.
like this?(http://www.imoc.co.uk/users/upload/outside%20full%20shot.JPG)
Exactly.... i take it back, that looks alright! s:D :D s:D
The one i saw had a REALLY long nose and that one doesnt....
Cheers mate!
I know what you mean, I think veilside have distorted their promo pics to make it look longer!
I was unsure at first.
How will the kit ruin the car?
there is one well about to be in a couple of weeks time in chelmsford !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And before you lot start it's not mine it's that girls i was talking to craige about (forgot her name s:oops: :oops: s:oops: ) Paid £4000 fitted and sprayed s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
But i went to have a look the other day as she was very exicted emma thast it sorry LOL
and it looked very nice had it painted black
How I ROLLED!!! my beloved old black MR2 Roadster:
I was doing 70 coming round a tight bend on the M271 in Southampton in wet weather!
The back end came out and I steered away from the skid to try and correct it! Bad mistake!
The car went sideways off the road, the rear impacted with an embankment next to the hard shoulder flipping the car onto its side, it then rolled 360 then dropped 10 feet into a ditch smashing the front end. The momentum then took us 100 metres on our side before coming to a stop right next to an emergency telephone! convenient!
The chassis was compacted so we had to get out of the roof! Thank god for soft tops!
Apart from the neck ache we walked away uncscathed with the roll cage / pasenger area in one piece!
The car saved us really, hence Ive bought another!
Magnum Motor company in farnborough are importing the new car for me:( see following link for more info and pics):
m http://www.autobaseuk.com/bin/findcar.d ... GM01000422 (http://www.autobaseuk.com/bin/findcar.dll?site=autobaseuk&idno=MAGM01000422) m
I noticed that the wheels were veilside too!
Should be arriving end of next week!
How do you think they managed to drop it so much?
As with Magnums last car, I also saw this go through the auction. They seem to bid high and sell high, holding the car for quite a while until the right buyer comes along. Thats not really practical for most traders.
I think the kit is one of the best out there, apart from the GT300 of course s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "bluephoenix"How will the kit ruin the car?
Heavy body panels changing the weight of the car, vents that do nothing (what the hell are the vents in the front all about!?), no aerodynamics to it, huge wheels that change how the car handles. Replacement parts cost a wallet load when the whole point of the car is for it to be a easy to replace and recycle racer. A WAY overpriced turbo on a engine that really isn't that keen on FI......
Hey! I've just realised that Magnum are about 3 minutes drive from where I work!
I remember going to a sandwich shop one lunchtime, and seeing a silver MRS with bodykit and eyebrows and so-on in a forecourt.. I'm sure it must be the same one I've seen in various pictures on this site.. did someone buy it from them?!
I actually like the look of that Veilside kit too!
Tim
(http://lion.ultinet.net/~kfo/kforca.jpg)
A potential owner examines the front end of the veilside Spyder.
THAT is the funniest thing Ive seen all day!
Seriously where do you guys find this stuff!
My car IS Emu!!!!
Would be interested in seeing some decent photos of it. The ones on the site are a little crap to say the least...bit fuzzy.
Animal and myself are well practiced at VS insulting...
(http://www.elenco.com/toys/img16.gif)
Doesnt look anything like it dummy...the one in the "fuzzy" photo is BLUE!...kind of like the autoart model that you cant get.
Quote from: "cstevens"Doesnt look anything like it dummy...the one in the "fuzzy" photo is BLUE!...kind of like the autoart model that you cant get.
Its a stripped VS, yet to be painted... use your imagination man. (just like VS do when it comes it vents and aerodynamics) s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
YES YES YES...I see it now! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
You guys can mock, but I stil think it kicks ass!
Looks like a mini Porsce Carrera GT!
VRRRRMMMMMM!!!!
I would really like a 911 turbo, but will never afford one. I certainly wont be buying a body kit for my itsy 2 to pretend its one.
Anyone see the Ferrari body kit on the 2 at JAE...WHY!?!?!
I will stick to my lovely 2 cos thats what I bought it for...come to think about it, I should have bought a corsa with 2 body kit.
Seriously though, the kit does look good, but it looks good without too...there is an article somewhere that says the 2 is great, but a large majority of people spend so much money on them to make them look like proper performance cars, that they may as well buy a proper on in the first place...I will dig it out.
QuoteSeriously though, the kit does look good, but it looks good without too...there is an article somewhere that says the 2 is great, but a large majority of people spend so much money on them to make them look like proper performance cars, that they may as well buy a proper on in the first place...I will dig it out.
Arh but thats the whole piont of modification tho mate, people know that they will spend another 2k on making it different so they go for a lower priced car, well i think thats how it works LOL
Quote from: "bluephoenix"You guys can mock,
You've come to the right place for that! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Buster"Arh but thats the whole piont of modification tho mate, people know that they will spend another 2k on making it different so they go for a lower priced car, well i think thats how it works LOL
Arh!. Thats why the local children buy corsas and novas!.
The bird in chelmsford, her car would look good if it was a nova with 2 body kit...cos she dont need no body kit s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Well I love the VS spoiler so I would like to be the 1st one to make an offer on this if (god forbid) you stick this one in another field s:!: :!: s:!:
Thats if the spoiler isin one piece of course s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "cstevens"Quote from: "Buster"Arh but thats the whole piont of modification tho mate, people know that they will spend another 2k on making it different so they go for a lower priced car, well i think thats how it works LOL
Arh!. Thats why the local children buy corsas and novas!.
The bird in chelmsford, her car would look good if it was a nova with 2 body kit...cos she dont need no body kit s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
so true so true. I said the naked look was better s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "SilverMSD2"Well I love the VS spoiler so I would like to be the 1st one to make an offer on this if (god forbid) you stick this one in another field s:!: :!: s:!:
Thats if the spoiler isin one piece of course s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Rest assured pal you will be the first to know if I do!
Ive still got a brand new set of MR2 standard 15inch alloys and red leather seats though if anyone wants to buy them?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Ive still got a brand new set of MR2 standard 15inch alloys and red leather seats though if anyone wants to buy them?
Post a message in the for sale section and im sure someone will probably rip your arm off for them!
OK guys and gals Ive got some more pics of my Veilside MRS straight from the Japanese auction site. Should be due next week!
Check it out!
(http://www.imoc.co.uk/users/upload/18%20inch%20wheels.JPG)
(http://www.imoc.co.uk/users/upload/exhaust(2).JPG)
(http://www.imoc.co.uk/users/upload/intake.JPG)
(http://www.imoc.co.uk/users/upload/outside%20rear.JPG)
I hope to see Adam's Monocraft and BP's Veilside at a future meet, they both look very impressive.
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Ive still got a brand new set of MR2 standard 15inch alloys and red leather seats though if anyone wants to buy them?
Why can't they be black leather? s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Quote from: "Comer"Quote from: "bluephoenix"Ive still got a brand new set of MR2 standard 15inch alloys and red leather seats though if anyone wants to buy them?
Why can't they be black leather? s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Thats what i thought! s:( :( s:(
me thinks that mesh is needed in the front arhces! as you can see inside the wheel arche s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
But mesh looks GOOD s:wink: :wink: s:wink: we like mesh s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I agree! Mesh it is !
The intakes look meshed alredy, see pic:
(http://www.imoc.co.uk/users/upload/side%20vents.JPG)
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"Quote from: "Comer"Quote from: "bluephoenix"Ive still got a brand new set of MR2 standard 15inch alloys and red leather seats though if anyone wants to buy them?
Why can't they be black leather? s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Thats what i thought! s:( :( s:(
Are you after some black leather seats as well Kris? I better watch out for you if a set go on sale s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Final pics for you:
(http://www.imoc.co.uk/users/upload/rear(9).JPG)
(http://www.imoc.co.uk/users/upload/hood(1).JPG)
(http://www.imoc.co.uk/users/upload/Rear%20spoiler(1).JPG)
Shes called the Blue Phoenix coz she rose from the ashes of my old black roadster, see previous post above for the story!
Hi there BP.
I was actually stood right outside Magnum Motors yesterday at lunchtime, as there's a little sandwich shop right nextdoor - thought I'd seen the sign somewhere!
Anyway, when are you picking it up? if it's around lunchtime in the week, then perhaps we could have a mini-meet?! I'd love to have a quick look-see at her in the flesh, so to speak!
Tim
That roadster is really growing on me.... cant wait to see it in the flesh some time!
Quote from: "Comer"Are you after some black leather seats as well Kris? I better watch out for you if a set go on sale s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Yeah, wouldnt mind - might try that bloke that Steve got his seats done at... take a week off work and leave him my car to sort out.
If someone can let me know when the next South Coast meet is I will bring it along for you all to check out!
Not sur what performance modifications have been made to it yet, does anyone know what the veilside exhaust (minus the turbo) puts out on the dyno bhp and torque?
Also what air filter/induction kit should I go for if it hasnt got one fitted?
How about going to Alton Towers on 7th September? I'll be taking the GT300!
Aaargh, Im on holiday in Cyprus that day! That would have been sooo cool! The latest pics of your GT300 look wicked!
Actually I think you and I might have spoken on the phone. Dont you run GT INter?
I bought a MR2 Jspec wheel badge from you and talked to you about spyder badges for my calipers.....before I trashed the car!
Quote from: "bluephoenix"If someone can let me know when the next South Coast meet is I will bring it along for you all to check out!
Not sur what performance modifications have been made to it yet, does anyone know what the veilside exhaust (minus the turbo) puts out on the dyno bhp and torque?
Also what air filter/induction kit should I go for if it hasnt got one fitted?
It doesnt have the turbo?
I dongt think so. Cant be sure until it arrives. I wouldnt have thought so though as the turbo alone costs £7000!
Quote from: "bluephoenix"I dongt think so. Cant be sure until it arrives. I wouldnt have thought so though as the turbo alone costs £7000!
Can't be sure?!?!
Personally I would have found out what I was buying before it arrived!
Oh and could you shrink your avatar down a little bit when you get the chance please.
Ta!
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hmm I don't think I would even have looked at a car I didnt know anything about s:? :? s:?
Without the FI its going to be really slooow dood!
What is FI and what is a tubby?
FI = Forced Induction: Turbocharger or supercharger
Don't know about a tubby.
Quote from: "bluephoenix"What is FI and what is a tubby?
At a guess, FI = Forced Induction(??) (ie a turbo) & tubby = fat!
Correct me if im wrong! s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
So I need a fat turbo if the car hasnt got one already?
To be honest I trust the company I am buying the car from, Magnum Motor Company have got a good reputation and they are decent guys. I got as much info as poss before comitting myself but I am still in a position to pul out if the car arrives not to my satisfaction.
Like I said the Veilside MRS kit with exhaust, hood and turbo would cost £12k alone to supply and fit in the uk and Im only paying £15k for a 5000 mile car aswell.
Unless the overpriced (£7000 Veilside turbo drastically improves the car then Im happy with the standard MR2 VVTi performance....after my recent accident Im not sure Im ready for a turbo yet anyway!
Im buying the car for its uniqueness and modification possibilities not for ragging the arse off!
I would say they are saying that with all that extra weight (hence being called tubby!) that you would need a turbo or such like idealy as the car will be slower that standard...?
Hmm I see your point, maybe I will Dyno test it when it arives and make my decision from there.
As far as turbo kits and intake/induction kits are concerned what would you recommend?
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"I would say they are saying that with all that extra weight (hence being called tubby!) that you would need a turbo or such like idealy as the car will be slower that standard...?
Well I don't remember calling it tubby (but it is) without FI those rear wheels are just there to look nice and nothing else. You wont have the power to do anything with them, and the extra turn will slow you down.
(also the VS kit adds even more weight)
I'd maybe look into a turbo if your budget will stretch, you don't need to cough it 7k for a VS (which isn't that great anyway)
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Hmm I see your point, maybe I will Dyno test it when it arives and make my decision from there.
As far as turbo kits and intake/induction kits are concerned what would you recommend?
The PE turbo seems like a good buy.
Quote from: "WoodenDummy"Quote from: "bluephoenix"Hmm I see your point, maybe I will Dyno test it when it arives and make my decision from there.
As far as turbo kits and intake/induction kits are concerned what would you recommend?
The PE turbo seems like a good buy.
Cheers, where can I see one of those and prices?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Quote from: "WoodenDummy"Quote from: "bluephoenix"Hmm I see your point, maybe I will Dyno test it when it arives and make my decision from there.
As far as turbo kits and intake/induction kits are concerned what would you recommend?
The PE turbo seems like a good buy.
Cheers, where can I see one of those and prices?
Oooh good question I dunno to be honest, I'm really not that bothered with FI myself right now. I think "mph" has the PE Turbo on his SMT MR2, i'm sure he wouldn't mind you asking.
My GT300 is being weighed on Saturday So I will post the reults. I'm running some huge wheels too 17" 285's.
I still got 7.8 0-60 and the car is an SMT s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Why does everyone think the wide body kits weigh more? The panels for both VS and MC save weight. I should have the proof on mine by the weekend!
For those going to Alton Towers I will bring my series 3 GTech so you can have some 0-60 runs.
Adam
Quote from: "WoodenDummy"Oooh good question I dunno to be honest, I'm really not that bothered with FI myself right now. I think "mph" has the PE Turbo on his SMT MR2, i'm sure he wouldn't mind you asking.
With the size wheels required for the Veilside, it'll have considerably less acceleration (and braking) performance than a stock. To give you an idea (and if I recall correctly) you need about 25bhp more if you have 17" wheels on to keep up with an otherwise comparable '2 running the stock 15" wheels.*
As for the turbo, The veilside screams out for it anyway s:wink: :wink: s:wink: The PE kit is a good basis, although it needs engine management and tuning to properly get it up and running. Millway (Andover) has done most of the work and is also pretty close to you. Given your proximity it'd be crazy to use anyone else.
As for price, being the leading edge is always at a premium, the good news however is second time around with the experienced gained between Millway & I we could certainly do it a lot cheaper and shorter time.
I'm away this weekend (woo hoo driving at Dijon & Magny Cours circuits!) but certainly I'm up for a meet - I'm interested in how the Veilside looks (as is Millway, though that's nothing to do with me), so we could arrange that for something like morning of Sat 30th?
*very roughly tested at Donnington circuit - straight line acceleration - my '2 with unichip & 17" wheels vs. pmdye's '2.
Quote from: "Jap GT300"For those going to Alton Towers I will bring my series 3 GTech so you can have some 0-60 runs.
ohhhh... can i have a go please.... s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Jap GT300"Why does everyone think the wide body kits weigh more? The panels for both VS and MC save weight. I should have the proof on mine by the weekend!
I think you'll find the proper VS full set up add A LOT more weight, in places it adds parts and doesn't replace them. The Mono replaces a part it doesn't add extra. Even without the extra weight those VS wheels will kill acceleration.
I must be seeing double s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Look what I've just been offered from auction Tomorrow at USS Tokyo.
Price is 1,290,000 Yen, Thats £6500 I was offered this about 2 weeks ago and nobody bid on it! I might make a low level entry bid on it.
(http://www.cbn.co.jp/syupimg/TK/used/500933.jpg)
(http://www.cbn.co.jp/syupimg/TK/used/500935.jpg)
(http://www.cbn.co.jp/syupimg/TK/used/500931.jpg)
Adam
Quote from: "Jap GT300"(http://www.cbn.co.jp/syupimg/TK/used/500931.jpg)
Adam
Means a lot to me s:) :) s:)
The first pic looks just a smidgen like BP's new ride. Wonder if they're reusing pics?
If your going to go FI then you'll want to find yourself about 4k before even contemplating it, BUT don't expect it to stop there, once the turbo is on you'll realise the potential power available,and then the need to protect the engine from destruction, then the cost rises.
As others have said, it's going to need something cause all show and NO go is going to spoil the car.In my opinion the kit does look nice would like to see it up close sometime, my preference still lies with the monocraft.
Good luck whatever you decide to do.
According to the translation this one is a turbo, has 18" wheels CD/MD player, adjustable sports suspension and lots of dents and scratches.
It has been given the lowest possible auction grade (1) before being recognised as a damaged car.
The auctions are not aloud to reuse pictures it is against there policy and japanese law
What is your chassis number bluephoenix? ZZW30-0035410?
I wonder if Magnums buyer in japan had a failed bid. It wouldn't be the first time that a company thought they had secured a car and then lost out because the bidder made some sort of mistake.
Youve got me very worried now. But the chassis number doesnt match and neither does the spec description or damage.
I will have to check with Magnum.
I cant believe the pics though, they look identical!
Initially they do, but if you look closer, you'll see that the floor is different, the lighting is different and the cars are different (stickers in the front window, as well as the placing of the front registraction plate).
Well spotted phil s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
But what the hell is going on????
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Well spotted phil s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
But what the hell is going on????
dunno, check and find out. Good luck with it.
Its a mystery! But Im gonna get to the bottom of it!
It is a different car!
I had two white monocrafts go through about two weeks ago that I posted on SC.
It does happen, I wouldn't worry about it. All the cars have near identical photos as they have to park in the same place and the camera is in a fixed position. They put through about 15,000 cars a week so its not surprising that you see a similar one. All the jap cars have some sort of kit/performance product on them, they love it out there.
Adam
Just come off the phoen from Magnum, apparently it is definitely a different car. The one Adam found is in a bit of a mess and Manum chose not to bid on it. However I have discovered that the Veilside Foirtune kit and Veilside wheels actually weigh LESS than the standard kit!!
Plus it has a HKS induction kit.
Quote from: "bluephoenix"However I have discovered that the Veilside Foirtune kit and Veilside wheels actually weigh LESS than the standard kit!!
Plus it has a HKS induction kit.
Your missing things. The kit itself weights less but the full VS set up adds weight, and a lot of it, but your real problem is the wheels without the turbo...
So the wheel weighs less, it still has further to go to finish a full turn which kills acceleration, your tires also weigh more even the extra air that has to go in them adds weight.
If you like it, good on you have fun with it but if you post on a Internet board don't expect me to say anything nice about it, it takes away everything a true roadster is s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
So the wheel weighs less, it still has further to go to finish a full turn which kills acceleration, your tires also weigh more even the extra air that has to go in them adds weight.
If you like it, good on you have fun with it but if you post on a Internet board don't expect me to say anything nice about it, it takes away everything a true roadster is s:roll: :roll: s:roll: [/quote]
OK now Im confused! How can lower profile tyres (with less rubber and less air) weigh more than big chunky dunlops?
And taking longer to finish a turn altering acceleration? Dont think that makes sense mate?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"OK now Im confused! How can lower profile tyres (with less rubber and less air) weigh more than big chunky dunlops?
And taking longer to finish a turn altering acceleration? Dont think that makes sense mate?
The wheels and tyres are bigger than stock. The overall circumference and width of the tyres are greater, therefore more rubber, therefore heavier.
Also as the overall size of the wheel is bigger you are effectively lengthening the gearing, therefore acceleration with take a hit.
HTH
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Im sure that the diameter of the wheel is still the same, just skinnier tyres.
The time it takes for the wheel to rotate 360 degrees therefore wont change, neither will speedo and accelleration readings!
Do you mean that the depth of the tyres is greater ie deep dished alloys?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Dont think that makes sense mate?
Look mate, i've been racing mid-engine cars since I was 16. They may very well be low profile, but why don't you check how WIDE they are.
If you want the VS go for it i'd still smile and call you friend at a meet. Your car, your choice but i'll never ever like ANYTHING VS ever do. I know what wheels work best for a lightweight roadster with a small wheelbase, I don't care how light they are.
I mean no offense whenever I comment on your car, but NO part of that car is built for performance and it kills what a true perfectly balanced (did you think about what that kit does to the balance?) car this is.
I'm not picking a fight with you i'm making comments about something on a public internet board. As VS go I love the color of yours and i'm glad its not covered in stickers. It looks so much better without them, I also think it would be cool to hear how that exhaust sounds.
No offense taken.
You are obviously entitled to your own opinion and being new to this game I do appreciate your expertise advice.
Ive obvioiusly got my heart set on the Veilside Fortune 01 model of MRS but would you recommend I get the car dyno tested and weighed to check for effects on the cars performance?
What other things would you recommend I do prior to making the final payment on the car?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Im sure that the diameter of the wheel is still the same, just skinnier tyres.
on 18's wouldnt that mean that the tyres would have to have a profile of something like 30 or 35... thats not a lot of rubber (height wise anyway)! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"Quote from: "bluephoenix"Im sure that the diameter of the wheel is still the same, just skinnier tyres.
on 18's wouldnt that mean that the tyres would have to have a profile of something like 30 or 35... thats not a lot of rubber (height wise anyway)! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
The 35 (or 30) is the
ratio of the tyre height to it's width... so a 35 may be quite high if we're talking 375/35, or could be almost nonexistand if it's a 185/35.
used m http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc (http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc) m to guess the size of the wheels...
Stock rear is 205/55/15. Assuming 18" wheels running about 220 width tyres (safe assumption?) then to have the same overall radius you would need 35 profile tyres!
It's unlikely you'd get those so assuming 18" running 220/45/18 (another reasonable assumption?) the tyre would be runnig nearly 2 inches larger in diameter and about 3/5 of an inch wider so you would have both more rubber (i.e. heavier) and a larger diameter wheel (therefore effecting accelleration).
Don't blame me, I just crunch the numbers...
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Just found out from Adam at GT Inter that it has adjustable sports suspension. Anyone know how that works?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"No offense taken.
You are obviously entitled to your own opinion and being new to this game I do appreciate your expertise advice.
Ive obvioiusly got my heart set on the Veilside Fortune 01 model of MRS but would you recommend I get the car dyno tested and weighed to check for effects on the cars performance?
What other things would you recommend I do prior to making the final payment on the car?
Mate its a great looking buy if anything you could probably sell it again for more if you didn't like it once you had it and if your heart is set on it good luck to you. I have to be fair and say VS make good QUALITY stuff and I doubt you wont like it when you see it (er does that make sense, as in you WILL like it). I wouldn't worry to much about weighing it, but getting it Dyno'd is always fun for the hell of it anyway. I won't be Dynoin' mine till i've done what I want done to the engine.
If you want more power the Milway chipping program seems to give a real bang for buck off the top of my head to give it a bit of a kick. I'll be getting it done last to my car as it needs tunning. I'm also looking at head work. I'm aiming for about 170bhp for mine, dunno if i'll get there but I think its possible.
Try these sites maybe -
m http://www.fensport.co.uk/ (http://www.fensport.co.uk/) m
m http://www.japanparts.com/index.html (http://www.japanparts.com/index.html) m
m http://www.ppeengineering.com/ (http://www.ppeengineering.com/) m (if you want a boost in power the PPE Headder is a great buy)
m http://www.millwayvehiclespecialists.co.uk/ (http://www.millwayvehiclespecialists.co.uk/) m
No offence intended Blue, but it seems to me your buying a lot of stuff here that you don't really know much about. Perhaps it might be better to try something that's a bit more stock so that you don't have to worry about all this extra stuff and you can just concentrate on getting out there and driving!
Just a thought.
If you do decide to go ahead with this I'm sure you'll find lots of help here anyway.
As for adjustable suspension. Well I'll leave that to someone else, other than to say it really just means adjustable ride hight shockers, unless your getting various sets of springs with different compression rates too. But I don;t have the knowledge to go in to all that.
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Quote from: "mph"To give you an idea (and if I recall correctly) you need about 25bhp more if you have 17" wheels on to keep up with an otherwise comparable '2 running the stock 15" wheels.*
*very roughly tested at Donnington circuit - straight line acceleration - my '2 with unichip & 17" wheels vs. pmdye's '2.
Agreed; there was little between us in a straight line, as I recall. Although Martin was whipping my 'ass in the braking zone, 'cos he's well known for his savage treatment of the middle pedal s:P :P s:P
Quotebut certainly I'm up for a meet - I'm interested in how the Veilside looks (as is Millway, though that's nothing to do with me), so we could arrange that for something like morning of Sat 30th?
I'm up for a mini-meet, being local too... Best take this to PM or Events...
To stay close to OEM speedo readings, handling, fuel consumption, ride, performance, etc one would need 215/30/18 rears and 185/35/18 fronts.
Since there are no such tyres, an MR2 with 18" wheels will most definitely lose out on all aforementioned aspects.
And most certainly, in the rain I wouldn't like to be in (or near) an MR2 with 18" wheels.
Quote from: "Emmanuel"in the rain I wouldn't like to be in (or near) an MR2 with 18" wheels.
Yeah be VERY careful in the rain with it.
**edit** you know what i wouldnt even take it out in the rain if you could help it.
Why what would happen in the rain and why?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Why what would happen in the rain and why?
Aquaplaning. The wheel is lifted up of the ground by the rain and you lose all traction, this is what happened to you the first time in your first MR2. The wider and bigger the wheel the worse it will be, yours a going to be a problem.
Just be careful thats all, and try not to drive it in the rain if you don't have to. Book yourself in on a skid pad and learn how to handle the car is the best thing you can do.
Shit! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Im getting freaked out now! s:? :? s:?
Gonna skid my pants never mind skid pan. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Gonna have to book myself in definitely. s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Shit! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Im getting freaked out now! s:? :? s:?
Gonna skid my pants never mind skid pan. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Gonna have to book myself in definitely. s8) 8) s8)
I wouldnt freak just be VERY careful, I run stock wheels and the '2 has bitten me before.
I'd say "hands up all those on 15" & 17" wheels that haven't been bitten in the arse in the rain s:!: :!: s:!: "
Doubt there will be many.
That's why i tend to swop to my reserve car during wet weather. Can't afford to stuff it up a curb s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "SilverMSD2"I'd say "hands up all those on 15" & 17" wheels that haven't been bitten in the arse in the rain s:!: :!: s:!: "
Doubt there will be many.
*My hand is up*
I agree, there probably aren't many, but I just adjust my driving style, and (touch wood) haven't had a single incident in the wet yet, on 15" or 17" wheels. s:D :D s:D
while WD is right about the width affecting the aquaplaning.
Bear in mind that this is because of the relative weight of the 2 being so light the pressure on wide rubber is not a lot. The same sizes on a Diablo for example would be a whole different ballgame.
It's also a function of tyres, get something like the Eagle F1 that is outstanding in the wet.
Also bear in mind that cores figures won't be quite right as the stock rear is 205/50/15 not 205/55/15
Also bear in mind that the lower the sidewall the more uncomfortable the ride.
Ref acceleration when I took my 17" off and went back to stock (bear in mind the 17" were the some of the lightest wheels I could get for sane money) the difference was incredible. The car now feels so much faster.
Quote from: "Slacey"Quote from: "SilverMSD2"I'd say "hands up all those on 15" & 17" wheels that haven't been bitten in the arse in the rain s:!: :!: s:!: "
Doubt there will be many.
*My hand is up*
I agree, there probably aren't many, but I just adjust my driving style, and (touch wood) haven't had a single incident in the wet yet, on 15" or 17" wheels. s:D :D s:D
Well you just aren't trying hard enough then s:!: :!: s:!:
So has anyone else had a skid related accident in their 2?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"So has anyone else had a skid related accident in their 2?
*Kris puts his hand up and hangs his head in shame*
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"*Kris puts his hand up and hangs his head in shame*
WE won't forget it if YOU keep reminding us! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "markiii"Ref acceleration when I took my 17" off and went back to stock (bear in mind the 17" were the some of the lightest wheels I could get for sane money) the difference was incredible. The car now feels so much faster.
yip yip.
RE - Aquaplaning. Not all light cars are bad in the rain, the MR2 can be driven very fast with decent tires on a wet track, i've seen it. Evo mag also ran the Elise 190 in the wet and it got a better time than the S3 a heavy All Wheel Drive car. BUT with 17" your going to lose grip much quicker than you would on the 15" and find it harder to get back under control, it was just a warning to the guy, he's had one whack in the rain, I wanted him to be aware that he should be VERY careful with even bigger wheels.
Im not even taking my Veilside MRS out in the rain!
Too scared!
Quote from: "bluephoenix"So has anyone else had a skid related accident in their 2?
Nearly but that was a curry incident & not rain related s:!: :!: s:!:
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "SilverMSD2"Nearly but that was a curry incident & not rain related s:!: :!: s:!:
Trust you to bring down the tone of the thread! s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Back to a comment on page one (I think) of this thread – about unnecessary vents...
I thought that the vents on the bonnet – facing backwards and all – are like the Elise's and are in fact downforce aids? Someone wanna shoot me down? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
DP
Quote from: "Darth Paul"Back to a comment on page one (I think) of this thread – about unnecessary vents...
I thought that the vents on the bonnet – facing backwards and all – are like the Elise's and are in fact downforce aids? Someone wanna shoot me down? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
DP
The Elise vents produce down force on the Elise, with wind tunnel testing. The Elise front aerodynamics are different from the MR2. The VS vents look cool but i'd bet my hat they didn't spend 5 mins in a wind tunnel.
Come to think of it, the real GT300 has the same vents as the VS and they use it for down force on the track.
Maybe it does add stability at speed!
Quote from: "Jap GT300"Come to think of it, the real GT300 has the same vents as the VS and they use it for down force on the track.
Maybe it does add stability at speed!
Why when some body fits a HUGE un-needed body kit do people TRY and find performance uses for them?
Coz its cool!
Mine looks like a shark!
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Just when you thought it was safe to go back on the wet roads????
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Coz its cool!
Ummmm...you didn't really answer the question s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
If you think it's cool, that's ok. I painted some parts on my car and I think it looks cool, but I don't try to tell ppl that it makes any difference in performance s;) ;) s;)
Hey pal check the thread, I wasnt the one who said it would make any difference!!
All I said is that its cool.
So be cool.
You dig?
Nice titties by the way! s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
I meant "you" in general...not you-you s:) :) s:)
Seriously she needs a more supporting bra! s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:cry: :cry: s:cry: drrooooll!
Where did you get that naughty manga stuff from anyway?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Where did you get that naughty manga stuff from anyway?
From a...*
Ch
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Ha* forum... s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Well take her kit off and this is what you get:
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s8) 8) s8) s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Careful, thats probably pushing the line for a public board, I don't know the rules.
must be - its been blocked by our company firewall so i cant see it!
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"must be - its been blocked by our company firewall so i cant see it!
Same here! s:( :( s:(
Ha! Wondered how long it would take until someone complained!
Jeez! s8) 8) s8)
As I work in the Internet team, we get round the normal websense rules...nice ones mate!
Sorry you cant all see it! Its pretty funny really, just a pair of naked cartoon titties bouncing up and down! Nothing really worth getting upset about!
Must be the URL that gets blocked, not the image itself s;) ;) s;)
Has anyone chipped their MRS yet? (no rude answers please!)
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Well take her kit off and this is what you get:
s8) 8) s8) s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Hey mate, usually I don't get angry but I am furious right now as you have included an adult link.
As it happens, I am logging in to the forum at work during my lunch break and, as my working envirnonment is highly regulated and my job quite important, things like these can put me in a lot of trouble. Get it? W****r. If I wanted to view adult pictures I'd go to another forum.
May I ask from the admins to remove the picture and the links to adult sites, please?
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Please ensure that such topics are at the very least constrained to the 'Chit Chat & Gossip' group, or preferably, not here at all; this is a car club.
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Sorry if it offended anyone, just a bit of harmless boyish humour! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
So has anyone had their car chipped?
I would like to know what the benefits are and whether I should have it done to my Veikside MRS.
Quote from: "bluephoenix"So has anyone had their car chipped?
I would like to know what the benefits are and whether I should have it done to my Veikside MRS.
The answer to your question can be found in the Performance (http://www.mr2roc.org/viewforum.php?f=7) group...
Quote from: "markiii"Also bear in mind that the lower the sidewall the more uncomfortable the ride.
I'll just drop in my 2p here:
Not only will a lower sidewall make the ride more uncomfortable but it will also affect how the car feels through the steering wheel. Inexperienced drivers will use the "feel" of the car, though it will be mainly a subconcious thing.
Those who like to push their car, or race, learn how to use the "feel". This can give vital knowledge of what the wheels are doing.
A lower sidewall means that there is also less flex in it. It's this flex that enables the tyres to talk directly to the driver.
Just look at F1. I was watching a programme a while ago on F1 tyres and they were saying that the manufactures tried a smaller sidewall but the drivers were reporting problems with knowing what the front wheels were doing in the corners.
Aquaplaning. The easy way to explain it is like this....as you travel along water pressure builds up at the contact point between the tyre and road surface. Most of the time the water is pushed through the channels in the tyre (the tread). At speed the pressure is high and the volume of water is vast and you can see the spray. However there comes a point where the tyre reaches the maximum amount of water it can cope with and excess water builds up in front of the tyre and the pressure causes the tyre to lift. The effect is like that of a water skiier, but without the fun, as the front end of your car has lifted away from the road surface and you have no steering.
The wider the tyre, the greater the effect. The less tread on your tyre, the less pressure needed to lift it.
IMHO a lot of mods are great when the car is stationary, however how many people think of the knock-on effects of changing the characteristics of weight distribution, handling, acceleration and braking. Putting on a rear wing may look cool, but it will add some rear downforce at speed. In effect you are adding weight to the back, but you have not put any on the front. You go through a high speed corner and you will feel extra understeer. Narrow side walls will make this worse and strut bracing will just add to it. Without adding front downforce (eg a new front bumper, splitters etc) you would need to soften the front suspension (this is where adjustable suspension come in), increase the sidewalls, lower the tyre pressure etc.
To me the 2 is perfect handling wise and I'm not going to do anything that may have a detremental effect on it.
While I agree with you Peter, specifically ref the tyres talking to you, this is also a function of the type of tyre, for example the stock Yokos are far more talkative than the Bridgestones which I always found very snappy.
A lower sidewall will in effect give you less warning of what the car is going to do but will let you push far more before it goes, but you better be ready when it does.
Personally I prefer smaller sidewalls from a handling perspective it's just the downside is bigger heavier wheels to put them on which blunts the acceleration.
The optimum balance would have to be a sticky, communicative tyre with very stiff sidewalls.
O look it's the Yoko Neovas, now just release them in a 40 profile and I'll be well happy.
Quote from: "Peter Laborne"Just look at F1. I was watching a programme a while ago on F1 tyres and they were saying that the manufactures tried a smaller sidewall but the drivers were reporting problems with knowing what the front wheels were doing in the corners.
AFAIK, 13" wheel is the biggest the rules allow in F1. So trying a smaller sidewall tyre would also mean a smaller diameter, which sounds like it would create several new problems. I wouldn't be surprised if it took a year to make smaller tyres work as good as they can.
where can one purchase this kit. Im suppose to get some $ from my insurance company for another car of mine that got totalled. Thanks in advance.
Nemesis - they have the sole authority for sales of veilside in the UK. I believe they quoted me £3045 (Full Kit)
They advertise in Banzai & Japanese performance magazine! You could get a kit imported from Japan try w www.japanparts.com (http://www.japanparts.com) w
Adam
It has arrived!! Finally!!
And its the best looking MR2 I have EVER seen!!!
Think I may need to visit a few meets in this baby!
Check out the pics:
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Trust me these pics dont do it justice!!! And the exhaust note with the veilside pro-drag exhaust is AWESOME!!
I think it looks great mate s:D :D s:D
Congrats. Looks really well. Need to see it in person sometime to get the full picture.
Good stuff mate - you happy with it then? Looks like a nice clean example.
Think i just splaffed in my pants s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Nah its awesome mate, i am DEAD jealous.
Looks great. Like the colour too. Wouldn't want to be the one cleaning your alloys mind s;) ;) s;)
It's going to be a real shame to mess up the front - have you thought about how you'll going to get a number plate on there? sticky-on?
Well done bluephoenix. Just remember; all aforementioned posts re. 18" alloys, rain, handling, ride quality, weight, etc. still apply.
If I may (not that it matters anyway), I still prefer the stock looks. But that's just me.
Enjoy. It's a shame the summer is over...
Looks good overall, well done. I think the hard top sets it off nicely - somehow I think that bodykit kinda deserves it...
The rear view still looks awesome, apart from that rear spoiler, as i don't like the way it wraps around the lights s:evil: :evil: s:evil: I want my twin exhausts to look like that, more part of the car rather than just slung underneath s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "phil4"Quote from: "Jap GT300"(http://www.cbn.co.jp/syupimg/TK/used/500931.jpg)
Adam
Means a lot to me s:) :) s:)
The first pic looks just a smidgen like BP's new ride. Wonder if they're reusing pics?
I think it means the previous owner tried to transport elephants on the cars roof rack and squashed it. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Well I can confirm that it definitely wasnt the same car!
Im well pleased with the look but the best thing has to be the SOUND of the engine through the Veilside exhaust!
Im dying to get it dyno tested and check the performance!
Its actually lighter than the stock model as is made of fibre glass (including the bonnet. )
Looks like the Batmobile! or a Shark or something!
Think Im gonna name it the Streetshark, or Bluephoenix or something... any suggestions?
It's looking great! Have you decided where you're going to fit the front number plate though? looks a little tight inside that nose! edit: just read Martin's post properly, he beat me too it! /edit.
I'm always on the M3, and often in Southampton.. will look out for you on the roads - somehow I don't think I'll miss it.. mabye I'll hear you coming first too?!
Tim
Looks like the number plate will have to be one of those stick on jobs...
The gap in the front is actually huge, dont know how Magnum will do it but they assure me that It will fit. They will go for the standard long plate which will fit easily.
Can someone tell me when the next South Coast meet is so we can all meet up and show off our lovely 2's??
Quite a subtle, low key look then? s:D :D s:D
I think you'd better get used to being seriously stared at, if the number of looks I get in my completely unmodified car are anything to go by.
They can stare all they like... all they will see will be a blue blur!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
OMG - call me Ricey McRice but I love it s8) 8) s8)
Glad you finally got it, looks a great example too. Look forward to seeing it in person!
LOL! Whos Ricey McRice? s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
OK.....Ricey McRice s:D :D s:D
you must know who ricey mcrice is, he's from riceville. everyone knows him s:? :? s:?
Nope! Havent got a clue!
Is this MR2 Jargon coz Im new to this? s:? :? s:?
I know Ricey McRice... He knows Kerby McKerb! s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Ricey MrRice = another way of saying he likes something most people would call RICE (ie, nasty as f**k!)
Ricey McRice is in reference to the nickname 'ricer' given originally to the Japanese tuners who stick body kits, big wheels etc. to their cars.
A Veilside kit is considered to be ricey, I just happen to really like it!
Quote from: "Slacey"A Veilside kit is considered to be ricey, I just happen to really like it!
Me 3.
Now get that turbo strapped on so it's not all show and no go s:D :D s:D
Just ean the pics mate s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Good ppic's oh and love the colour do you turn many heads!!!!
I was surprised that the red seats actually look ok with the blue car.
yeah i would of said the same but they look very sporty together and set the car off very well s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
oxblood red leather looks even better.
I can buy the old red leather seats out of the wreck of my old car but they want £400 for the two!!
But the upholstery in the car at the moment is in perfect condition!
Sounds a bit steep doesnt it?
Same price as I was quoted for stock leather from a salvage. They also wanted £500 for the soft top!
a little, depends on what you could get for the new seats?
Definately the colour to have though. I saw one the week after I bought mine and wished I'd though of teh combo earlier.
New pics below:
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Has anyone ever weighted the Veilside panels..?
Yep, they are lighter than the original panels as they are made of fibreglass. The hood is a big weigh loss as the original metal hood is much heavier than the Veilside.
Even the Veilside wheels are lighter than the original!
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Even the Veilside wheels are lighter than the original!
Now that I'm suspicious of! Got a set of scales handy?
Quote from: "mph"Quote from: "bluephoenix"Even the Veilside wheels are lighter than the original!
Now that I'm suspicious of! Got a set of scales handy?
I'd think that a set of VS wheels with tires and air weigh far more than a stock set with rubber and air.
Well the panels are definitely lighter, I checked that with Veilside, but the garage told me that the Wheels are made out of a lighter alloy.
It doesnt any different to drive than my old stock MRS.
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Yep, they are lighter than the original panels as they are made of fibreglass.
So I've heard, but does anyone have any real numbers?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Well the panels are definitely lighter, I checked that with Veilside
Hmmm. Not that I don't trust a salesman, but can I have some figures please?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"but the garage told me that the Wheels are made out of a lighter alloy.
Even if that's true, they are bigger size. No wait,
much bigger size so, unless they are made of magnesium (which I doubt 'coz they would cost at least £2k each), they are going to be heavier than stock.
Quote from: "bluephoenix"It doesnt any different to drive than my old stock MRS.
Strange that. Even without taking into account the extra body panels and misc mods, you are saying that your Veilside with 18" alloys is no different to drive to a stock MR2? I hope you understand, I am having some trouble believing that...
Quote from: "WoodenDummy"I'd think that a set of VS wheels with tires and air weigh far more than a stock set with rubber and air.
It wouldn't just be the additional weight but also the fact that it's further from the axis of rotation
Well we can argue till the cows come home! Im made up with it!
I guess I will do a few 0-60 tests check out my top end and weigh and dyno test the car as soon as a I can. I will post my results. Whats the normal weight of a stock model anyway?
975 - 1015kg dep on spec for the 2001
My car was weighed during its uk spec tests at 1040.
Quote from: "bluephoenix"My car was weighed during its uk spec tests at 1040.
Is that the sprung weight?
Not sure what you mean? It says 1040 and gross weight of 1150.
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Not sure what you mean? It says 1040 and gross weight of 1150.
Quote from: "url]http://www.innerauto.com/innerauto/text/susp25.html[/url]"]Sprung and Unsprung Weight
"Sprung" weight is a term used to describe the parts of an automobile that are supported by the front and rear springs. They suspend the vehicle's frame, body, engine, and the power train above the wheels. These are quite heavy assemblies. The "unsprung" weight includes wheels and tires, brake assemblies, the rear axle assembly, and other structural members not supported by the springs.
Stock weight quotes for the pre-03 are:
Sprung: 975kg
Gross: 1015kg (someone correct me if I am wrong)
Quote from: "bluephoenix"My car was weighed during its uk spec tests at 1040.
Sorry, but that really doesn't tell a thing about your bodykit...
What have you changed from 100% stock car? Removed spare/tools/anything? Added ICE/anything? Wheels/tyres? The amount of gas in tank and water in windshield wiper container...floor mats...and so on...even the amount of oil in the engine can make 1kg difference.
I was hoping you had weighted the kit parts separately...
Sorry, I bought the car with the kit and wheels already on so couldnt weigh them seperately. Guess we will just have to wait for the results of the 0-60's top-end and dyno test.
Blue,
Bring your car down to Santa Pod and we can test it! We're going up this Sunday.
If you can't do that I'll bring my car (+ Gtech) down to the Southampton meet, if you like,
Adam
guys, when u read published MR2 weight keep in mind that it is probably base model without stereo and A/C which weight a lot... around 45kgs all together... just something to keep in mind...
TWO WEEKS INTO OWNING MY VEILSIDE BEAST AND IM LOVIN IT!!!!!
ALREADY BEEN APPROACHED BY THE MAX MUPPETS MAGAZINE TO FEATURE ON THE COVER........RECKON I SHOULD AGREE OR NOT????
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PLEASE NOTE MY NAME IS TOM KAY HENCE THE PLATE!!!
LAKESIDE PICS WERE TAKEN AT THE WEEKEND IN BEULIEU IN THE NEW FOREST.........IM UP FOR A MEET THERE, ANYONE ELSE UP FOR IT?????
WHAT YOU RECKON GUYS????
cracking looking photos - she is well shiny! s:D :D s:D
Do the mag if you want - i promise not to shout BLING BLING at you (much s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: ). Nah, go for it mate - should be a laugh!
Shes shiny coz I gave her a good wax prior to shoot but the paintwork is immaculate all over!
Ok : Dynotesting showed that with the Veilside twin pro-drag exhaust and HKS induction and filter my bhp was up to 146bhp but Torque was the main gain with a smooth flat line coming in at near on 140 lbs per sqr inch!
0-60 has come down to 6.4 seconds and my top speed so far has been 130 but I bottled out! Will try (law permitting) to see how much more I can get out of her soon.
6.4 0-60! thats impressive. was that you timing or on a dyno?
It was my mate timing with a stopwatch in the passenger seat. Took me a few efforts what with bad starts and bad gear changes. It was on the straight in Beaulieu that I got 6.4 and 6.7 it was a cold day excellent conditions nice straight road.
Slowest time was 7 seconds!
Oh the accurate measuring of the mate in the passenger seat. Did you shout go and he shout stop or the other way around!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
He shouted for start and stop. Why does it matter?
its just not very precise thats all.
Not accurate at all.
Oh, and 0-60 6,4" is not very impressive either.
Sorry to be cynical...
Getting a bit anal now arent we? It was only a bit of fun!
Well its impressive enough for me! s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Emmanuel"Oh, and 0-60 6,4" is not very impressive either.
What, when toyota quote 8secs? I would be happy with 6.4 s:D :D s:D
Maybe i should see if Adam will lent me his box of tricks for the driver training day and do a few 0-60 runs on an air field, see what i come up with. best get begging s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
s:roll: :roll: s:roll: Twas just a joke.
No it's not accurate, you had the extra weight of a passenger so technically your car is faster than that even. Hell, your about as fast as mine..... Y did i waste the money s:x :x s:x
You bought your car for the looks, not the performance, it looks amazing but unless you do some more engine work than just a exhaust and filter it's always going to be slower than a std '2, with big wheels like those. BUT who cares it's what you think that maters, i like it, alot of others have admitted to liking it, so lets leave it where it belongs in the appearance section not the performance.
Er....Nice looking car, if i haven't mentioned that already. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"Quote from: "Emmanuel"Oh, and 0-60 6,4" is not very impressive either.
What, when toyota quote 8secs? I would be happy with 6.4 s:D :D s:D
Maybe i should see if Adam will lent me his box of tricks for the driver training day and do a few 0-60 runs on an air field, see what i come up with. best get begging s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Ok, I've put my flaming suit on.
I am not sure how or why Toyota came up with 7.9" but there are many theories around. What I am going to say is this; I was racing against a Mini Cooper S Works which the quoted 0-60 from EVO is 6.7" and on straight line we were at exactly the same level.
I didn't realise it was the Works until the guy told me, I actually thought it was the Cooper S (0-60 in 7.7").
Oh, my car is as stock as they come (without A/C and with Eagle F1 tyres).
[Edit]I too, find it impossible to believe that without major surgery and with 18" alloys, it is faster than stock. Let's keep it realistic, instead of trying to defy the laws of physics.[/edit]
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"Maybe i should see if Adam will lent me his box of tricks for the driver training day and do a few 0-60 runs on an air field, see what i come up with. best get begging s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Tell you what Kris, we'll both beg - I'm ordering one for myself as an xmas gift s:wink: :wink: s:wink: , but it won't be here by the training day s:( :( s:(
So, how about it Adam??? s:D :D s:D
and....according to my Origin B2, the speedo is out by about 4-5 mph at 60
Quote from: "Emmanuel"Ok, I've put my flaming suit on.
I am not sure how or why Toyota came up with 7.9" but there are many theories around. What I am going to say is this; I was racing against a Mini Cooper S Works which the quoted 0-60 from EVO is 6.7" and on straight line we were at exactly the same level.
I didn't realise it was the Works until the guy told me, I actually thought it was the Cooper S (0-60 in 7.7").
Oh, my car is as stock as they come (without A/C and with Eagle F1 tyres).
Oh totally agree with you - 8 seconds is just crazy s:shock: :shock: s:shock: Ive never timed my car, but i would GUESS that its faster than 8 seconds... lets see if we can get some proof now (come on adam, you know you want to let us use your box of tricks!)
go adam... go adam.... it's yer birthday.... go adam s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Getting a bit anal now arent we? It was only a bit of fun!
Well its impressive enough for me! s:) :) s:)
Its ok mate, i posted a similar thing b4 adn got the same reaction :s
May be able to get a product call a Passport G-Timer as featured apparently on 2 fast 2 furious it measures 0-60, 1/4 mile times , cornering G's etc.
Check the group buys area for the full details
NickM
Quote from: "bigun007"Its ok mate, i posted a similar thing b4 adn got the same reaction :s
lol, all were saying is that the stopwatch method is not very accurate. You really need some digital device that can start and stop on its own - no offence intended im sure. s:D :D s:D
Lol none was taken mate.
Its better than "One pink elephant, Two pink elephant.........." s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
My guess on the 8s 0-100kmh time...it's high to keep the car affordable. Performance affects insurances and taxes on some countries, the worse the quotes are, the less it will cost you.
FWIW's, according to GTech/Pro, my best 0-100kmh time is a bit below 6s and that's with 100% stock engine, just removed some stuff from the car and got grippier tyres. There are also several 5.x times for 0-60mph in SC, with little mods.
Now the Veilside thread has drifted off into 0-60 timings... anyone timed an SMT? I know that the official times always have the SMT about a second slower, but just wondered about the reality (it's OK, I'm not expecting it to be as quick as the manual!).
Also, any tips on how to best launch the SMT... just foot to floor, or a few revs to get moving first or??? I read a review somewhere where they'd managed to reduce the difference between manual and SMT by revving to 4500 before dropping it into first, but the advice was "don't try this at home"... as it made some very worrying noises!
Have a look at the 1/4 mile Banzai article i scanned in on my site (you can jsut about read it s:oops: :oops: s:oops: ), they had an SMT for there photo car and ran that using GPS timing gear, hope this helps.
Andy
Here's a great vid showing the difference between SMT and manual:
m http://www.midsouthspyders.com/videos/J ... Willem.mpg (http://www.midsouthspyders.com/videos/Jared%20vs%20Willem.mpg) m
i've seen that before but never realised that one was smt! Are they both standard, and the manual looks a lot faster!
Quote from: "Chris"i've seen that before but never realised that one was smt! Are they both standard, and the manual looks a lot faster!
it is, of course faster off the line, but in gear it's exactly the same as there's no loss thru a torque converter etc
I thought the upchanges slowed the SMT a little too?
Quote from: "phil4"I thought the upchanges slowed the SMT a little too?
not sure. maybe slower than a power-shift, but if you feather the throttle and time that correctly with the push button....
...any way 0-60 is not the best way to judge relative acceleration, it's just become a standard measurement unfortunately
Obviously things get even when the cars are moving...and on real driving (accelerating, slowing down, cornering, but never stopping), I believe SMT is faster, if the manual driver isn't too experienced...
But it does suck on launch s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "zud"Also, any tips on how to best launch the SMT... just foot to floor, or a few revs to get moving first or??? I read a review somewhere where they'd managed to reduce the difference between manual and SMT by revving to 4500 before dropping it into first, but the advice was "don't try this at home"... as it made some very worrying noises!
Like a granny ....
I have considered either flooring it, or putting a few revs on and then shifting the stick, but always thought this would not be a good thing. Your post seems to confirm it, so I won't be trying it myself.
Quote from: "Jonny Turbo"not sure. maybe slower than a power-shift, but if you feather the throttle and time that correctly with the push button....
Yep - feather the throttle (or a tiny, tiny lift) as you push the button usually makes things work a bit quicker. A lift/feather will also reduce the head-snapping effect that Clarkson is always moaning about when he tests cars "with these silly flappy gearshift thingies".
Quote from: "Tem"Obviously things get even when the cars are moving...and on real driving (accelerating, slowing down, cornering, but never stopping), I believe SMT is faster, if the manual driver isn't too experienced...
Again - yes. I can't toe-and-heel (never been taught, never learned on my own) and SMT allows me to keep my hands on the wheel when pressing on a bit. The biggest benefit is double-downshifts when overtaking - I can be right in the middle of the cam-lift-band before you can say 'knife', and set about embarrassing owners of more expensive machinery s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Tem"But it does suck on launch
Yep - if you are careful with the machinery s:) :) s:) . I got skinned
twice by a Ford Kak at the lights last night s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Quote from: "filcee"I can be right in the middle of the cam-lift-band
Yep - if you are careful with the machinery s:) :) s:) . I got skinned twice by a Ford Kak at the lights last night s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Cam-lift...?
About the Ka...you shouldn't race them, just laugh at them and take off slowly. That should keep 'em wondering s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Quote from: "filcee"Yep - if you are careful with the machinery s:) :) s:) . I got skinned twice by a Ford Kak at the lights last night s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Oh dear s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
I skined a VX220 last week, should have seen the look I got when my twin pro drag exhaust was roaring in his face. s8) 8) s8)
I'd guess that the Kak beat you where the road went back to a single lane right after the lights(?) A mate of mine has worked at Ford since his first car, and found that his low-geared 1.1 Fiesta could beat a Capri over 5 or 10 yards, and there were lots of lights where the road narrowed very quickly just after he left work. He reckons it was the highlight of his day... winding up the boy-racers in their Capris! He knew he would have been toast in another few seconds, like the Kak would, but he could leap off the line as quick as anything! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "bluephoenix"I skined a VX220 last week, should have seen the look I got when my twin pro drag exhaust was roaring in his face. s8) 8) s8)
I'm sorry what!? Your 975kg + 140bhp 125/lb ft car beat a 850kg 145bhp 150/lb ft car!? With a 5.6 0-60?!
You need to post pics of your engine bay.
on a similar note, did we ever get the specs of that member who had 180 brake na? iirc, it was from a post ages ago in performance...
search, here i come...
Quote from: "Chris"on a similar note, did we ever get the specs of that member who had 180 brake na? iirc, it was from a post ages ago in performance...
search, here i come...
Don't think so, I had a quick look myself I don't even think he did it to his own engine, I think he got a friend to do it for him. Guess at head work?
Quote from: "TemCam-lift...?
You know - the time when the engine starts breathing properly when the VVTi kicks in. Well I knew what I meant - the cams lift the valves anyway don't they - otherwise you wouldn't go anywhere s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Quote from: "TemAbout the Ka...you shouldn't race them, just laugh at them and take off slowly. That should keep 'em wondering s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Maybe it was the lack of cam-lift s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
To Quote Han Solo: "Its all in the reflexes kid!" s8) 8) s8)
My reflexes are fine - for my age.
But I do have to wait for the SMT elastic band to wind up to speed.
I'm getting 162hp N/A and should be on at least 170 once the Dastek is fully operational.
Someone told me a while ago that N/A performance was LOUD and believe me at just 162hp it is spiting and bubbling like a rally car as you let off the throttle and screaming like its about to explode under heavy acceleration!
Bring on 170!
Quote from: "Jap GT300"I'm getting 162hp N/A and should be on at least 170 once the Dastek is fully operational.
Someone told me a while ago that N/A performance was LOUD and believe me at just 162hp it is spiting and bubbling like a rally car as you let off the throttle and screaming like its about to explode under heavy acceleration!
Bring on 170!
Yeah but you have a downpipe right? The precats and main cats get rid of A LOT of sound. Remove them and it will sound really loud.
Quote from: "bluephoenix"I skined a VX220 last week, should have seen the look I got when my twin pro drag exhaust was roaring in his face. s8) 8) s8)
!!!!!!
No offence but my guess is that the VX220 did not race you.
Quote from: "Jap GT300"I'm getting 162hp N/A and should be on at least 170 once the Dastek is fully operational.
Someone told me a while ago that N/A performance was LOUD and believe me at just 162hp it is spiting and bubbling like a rally car as you let off the throttle and screaming like its about to explode under heavy acceleration!
Bring on 170!
What mods do you have???
The person with the 180Bhp NA tuned engine had his engine tuned at Fensports... dunno who he is though!
Im thinking about getting the Blitz turbo kit for my Veilside MRS. A place called Japspeed in Southampton where I live just sold one for £3000, will wait to see what the results are like first.
A bit unsure as my car is a bit twitchy at high speeds already! s:? :? s:?
What you guys reckon?
Never heard of Blitz turbo are you sure it wasn't Apexi..........
m http://www.mr2roc.org/viewtopic.php?t=1417 (http://www.mr2roc.org/viewtopic.php?t=1417) m
The turbo doesn't give or make you have higher top speeds it's just to make you get there quicker,if you like.I say go for it but research it as much as you can beforehand cause if you don't know what you want exactly, you can guarantee the place that fits it won't know what is needed.
Millway being the only place that i know of that have done a full install and the tuning aswell.
Good luck
Yes it is Apexi! Sorry got confused!
Do we know what improvements it makes to BHP and Torque?
Depends on what psi, and tuning etc but can get 200+bhp and 180lb torque.
Don't forget the £3k they quoted didn't have a management system and tuning which adds many ££££
You can import the kit for £2300.It took me 3 hours to fit my complete turbo setup, anyone can FIT it, if you know how a ratchet works, so thats £700 to install but not tune!!!! Bring it to me i'll do it for half that s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: You need a complete package not just a turbo bolted on then sent on your way, find out what they can do for management ecu, but if DAZ400 is going elsewhere i assume they can't help.
I'm not knocking Japspeed AT ALL. I haven't heard anything bad about them,just try and get everything done in 1 place so your not driving from 1 place to another, and you know exactly what it's going to cost all in.
What a load of waffle from me, but i am only trying to help.Honest s8) 8) s8)
maybe you get nitrous in that price too?
you may want to check with your insurers about that though - even DIG wont allow!
Mine is currently throwing out 220bhp & 210lb/ft. Supposed set at 7.5psi, but that's not what boost guage is saying s:!: :!: s:!:
I have no bad words to say against Simon at Japspeed - nice bloke, knows loads about superchargers & NOS, but..
Hedley at Millway has installed & properly tuned my turbo (SMT) and has more experience with MR2s in general. Last time I was at Japspeed they didn't have a rolling road - something that is required for tuning. (They may have now, I don't know.)
A'PEXi turbo? You could use it, but how many people do you know that have? I chose the PE kit since it's well used and all the issues are known about it. Simply can't say that about the A'PEXi.
what does your boost guage say? more or less than it is
what guages did you get and er.... where's my pictures you said you'd send s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"what does your boost guage say? more or less than it is
what guages did you get and er.... where's my pictures you said you'd send s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Ummm, s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
a) 0.7bar, but drops back - but tend not to be looking at the gauge by that point...
b) Still haven't fitted the third gauge yet. Will see what I can do...
Did you ever get your kit? There is a supplier in the UK that make a slightly modified veilside kit. I am currently building one at the moment
The user "mph" might not even be alive anymore Dave...
Give up doctor, she's dead.
Ha ha idn't see 2003
I nearly purchased this veilside a good few years back but it was very rough round the edges! Soon after that the car was sold and is now abroad. There is a utube clip of the new owner driving it. I want to say it went to Spain.