I've never been particularly strict on "all 4 need to be the same". As long as they're the same on each axle. 

Yeah it's best and I certainly wouldn't run say, AD08s in thr rear and Toyos in the front. 
But... How many of us have run ad08 and AD08R? Or AD08R and AD08RS  That's essentially what I've got. Same tyres. One set newer version. 

And, importantly, the front and the rear do very different things. 

The problem with a lot of this "car" stuff is that people get too hung up on things. There's far too much "you should never..." without any backing. 

Like, "you should never run K&N air filters". Why not? 
If you maintain it well, according to instructions, they work perfectly fine and will never damage a MAF. 

I'll repeat it again... I've run hard on 4 different crap, no-brand tyres. Through gravel, wet, tarmac, dry... Had an absolute blast and car never felt off. Optimal, no. Had to adjust my driving. And I'd best avoid deep puddles. It does introduce risk, but you manage it. Having 4 nice fancy tyres just reduces risk a bit. 

Could say the same for tyre sizes. How many of us run 195/50 and 225/45? Or 205 square? That's not OEM... That's introducing risk and compromise over and above what Toyota designed.

They never designed it to have a bodykit and 400bhp either....

Quote from: Carolyn on March  8, 2021, 15:41

Quote from: Call the midlife! on March  8, 2021, 15:26Edit. As Scotte rightly comments, the general consensus is to fit a full set of the same tyres for optimum safety and performance and anyone new to the marque would be well advised to stick to this tactic.
But this is Patrick we're talking to and if anyone can style it out going backwards round a roundabout it's him!🤓

I don't necessarily subscribe to that. Fronts and rears do very different jobs.

What do I know? I've got some 5 year old part worn Toyos I'm keeping should I ever need any "winter" tyres..😆

I've had lots of tyres on lots of cars over my working years, not so many now I'm not working.
In my experience two tyres wear out quicker than the other two, so typically two are replaced.
But in between times the tyre manufacturer will sometimes change the tyre.
I would like to believe that there is compatibility  between the early tyre and the newer tyre, it really would not be good for business if that were not the case.
Next time around all four are replaced and the cycle can start again.

All good posts.

Patrick summed it up previously.
Choose your compromise.

A full oem matching set would be nice.
But we know they do not really exist.

Which us why there are countless threads on the very subject.

I also agree with @Carolyn and recall a very well crafted post she put on regards the reasoning for dif front vs back.

I'd wager that @Carolyn had different tyres on the back of her Rocket Mobil than were on the front.

Quote from: Joesson on March  8, 2021, 18:15I'd wager that @Carolyn had different tyres on the back of her Rocket Mobil than were on the front.

You'd win that wager.

I don't like AD08R and AD08RS on mixed the blue that's for sure.

@shnazzle I know you can't run pfl sizes I was just happy that I can if I choose to.

My comment here has nothing to do with tyres, what an awesome thread, I have just taken about 2 hours reading through all of the twists and turns regarding mods and tuning.

Much to take away from this :-) thanks for this superb record Patrick

Quote from: Gibla on March  8, 2021, 19:52My comment here has nothing to do with tyres, what an awesome thread, I have just taken about 2 hours reading through all of the twists and turns regarding mods and tuning.

Much to take away from this :-) thanks for this superb record Patrick

2hrs? I'm honoured!

Thanks so much for reading through all that drivel. 8 years of it. 
It has been a journey...

I similarly read the epic @1979scotte build thread a week or two ago, charting the highs,lows and potential pitfalls of modifying.

'a journey' seems a classic understatement

Quote from: Gibla on March  8, 2021, 20:28I similarly read the epic @1979scotte build thread a week or two ago, charting the highs,lows and potential pitfalls of modifying.

'a journey' seems a classic understatement

I am yet to climb the peaks of that particular mountain although I believe thanks to @Carolyn and @jonbill I am clear of the valley floor and into the foot hills.

I gave up on my readers ride thread some time ago, I can't remember how many times I've tried destroying the car.

Quote from: 1979scotte on March  8, 2021, 20:35

Quote from: Gibla on March  8, 2021, 20:28I similarly read the epic @1979scotte build thread a week or two ago, charting the highs,lows and potential pitfalls of modifying.

'a journey' seems a classic understatement

I am yet to climb the peaks of that particular mountain although I believe thanks to @Carolyn and @jonbill I am clear of the valley floor and into the foot hills.

you can see the sunlit uplands from here.

Quote from: Gibla on March  8, 2021, 20:28I similarly read the epic @1979scotte build thread a week or two ago, charting the highs,lows and potential pitfalls of modifying.

'a journey' seems a classic understatement

Maybe "odyssey" better suits.

Quote from: Joesson on March  9, 2021, 09:48

Quote from: Gibla on March  8, 2021, 20:28I similarly read the epic @1979scotte build thread a week or two ago, charting the highs,lows and potential pitfalls of modifying.

'a journey' seems a classic understatement

Maybe "odyssey" better suits.

Last night I read through my own RR. Good few laughs (at myself). 

It's been a journey for sure. Definitely not over yet. 
I've got a garage full of stuff that needs to be put on the car. Just no time. 
And at some point I'm going to have to bite the bullet and get the car resprayed. The inside looks good (few tweaks to be done), the engine is (seemingly) healthy, the bottom end is going to be improved... The body is going to have to match. 

Plan is to slowly but surely start replacing things with new. No more bodges.

Respray?

Thats running before walking isnt it?

Better start with washing and polishing.....

Quote from: Topdownman on March  9, 2021, 15:53Respray?

Thats running before walking isnt it?

Better start with washing and polishing.....

Au contraire. You know how I used to be! 

It's just that once the paint gets so bad, it's not worth it anymore.

Times have changed. Much more traffic. Roads are worse. I'm older and wiser. Chances of my bonnet/bumper are not going to end up looking like it's been the victim of pellet gun target practice.

Quote from: shnazzle on March  9, 2021, 16:03

Quote from: Topdownman on March  9, 2021, 15:53Respray?

Thats running before walking isnt it?

Better start with washing and polishing.....

Au contraire. You know how I used to be!

It's just that once the paint gets so bad, it's not worth it anymore.

Times have changed. Much more traffic. Roads are worse. I'm older and wiser. Chances of my bonnet/bumper are not going to end up looking like it's been the victim of pellet gun target practice.

You're certainly older.

Rainsports are on and I took a little drive around the area. 
So far I'm rather pleased. Didn't do anything silly as it was wet and the tyres are still brand new and need scrubbing in. 
The ride is infinitely more comfortable. 
It didn't feel wallowy at all. Feedback seemed good and I didn't get any of that Toyo T1-R "booiiingg" when coming out of a corner. 
Running 32psi all round as a starter for 10,as I expected I'd need to overinflate the fronts. But I may take that down a bit actually. 

So far so good. 

Next steps:
- rear spacers
- rear brakes
- dog bone roll-center adjusters 
- front a-arms 
- potentially new ARBs front and back with new bushes. 

Then an alignment. Last one was 2017...

Things have not gone well with my new tyres.

Not because of the tyres. But because of my wheels.
I forgot that with 225 tyres the offset difference between front and rear could be fixed with spacers.

Now that I've gone down to 215 tyres, I'd need 20mm spacers.
Things have gotten stupid.

Team Dynamics are coming off. New tyres onto my stock FL spare set and going on

Really gutted.

Then once I've saved up it'll be a case of how am I going to fix my issue.

1) sell the rear wheels and replace with et35. Does mean I'm stuck on coilovers as I know et35 scrapes without them. But quite frankly, with the Rainsports, the coilovers are far less harsh. 

2) sell the fronts and go for et42. Only 3mm wider than rear. But, I can either add spacers on the rear (8mm) or put 225 tyres back on.

4)sell the whole set to someone for a bargain who is happy to run rear 20mm spacers (or 10mm) if on 225 tyres. (unless running 185 fronts... You get the idea)

Stock wheels and tyre sizes work better for me.

Scotte's observation is sound.
I've only ever had stock size wheels and tyres on my 2 and every other car I've ever had. I have also often read of problems with this or that when wheel and tyre sizes are changed from standard.

Quote from: Joesson on March 14, 2021, 14:25Scotte's observation is sound.
I've only ever had stock size wheels and tyres on my 2 and every other car I've ever had. I have also often read of problems with this or that when wheel and tyre sizes are changed from standard.

Would have been fine had I not mixed et35 front and et45 rear.

Was stupid mistake on my part. Would also have been fine with the spacers rear. But now on slimmer tyres..time for stocks to come out

Quote from: shnazzle on March 14, 2021, 14:41

Quote from: Joesson on March 14, 2021, 14:25Scotte's observation is sound.
I've only ever had stock size wheels and tyres on my 2 and every other car I've ever had. I have also often read of problems with this or that when wheel and tyre sizes are changed from standard.

Would have been fine had I not mixed et35 front and et45 rear.

Was stupid mistake on my part. Would also have been fine with the spacers rear. But now on slimmer tyres..time for stocks to come out

It doesn't count as a mistake in the big book of life if you "make a mistake" but have a cunning plan to rectify it.

Quote from: Joesson on March 14, 2021, 14:59

Quote from: shnazzle on March 14, 2021, 14:41

Quote from: Joesson on March 14, 2021, 14:25Scotte's observation is sound.
I've only ever had stock size wheels and tyres on my 2 and every other car I've ever had. I have also often read of problems with this or that when wheel and tyre sizes are changed from standard.

Would have been fine had I not mixed et35 front and et45 rear.

Was stupid mistake on my part. Would also have been fine with the spacers rear. But now on slimmer tyres..time for stocks to come out

It doesn't count as a mistake in the big book of life if you "make a mistake" but have a cunning plan to rectify it.

Good news is... Might have a set of scuff-free TD1.2s for sale soon. With spacers