Dans Turbo Build

Started by dan944, February 22, 2018, 13:42

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dan944

Quote from: StuC on July 14, 2018, 14:26
Is it a bong for the intake?
Dammit!!! First guess!!
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BahnStormer

@dan944 do you have an updated parts list? Did you stick with the EMU Black in the end? Any regrets?
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dan944

Quote from: BahnStormer on July 16, 2018, 15:03
@dan944 do you have an updated parts list? Did you stick with the EMU Black in the end? Any regrets?

So the parts list is minimum required to get things going. For engine management I went with the emu black. Absolutely zero regrets. It's a dream.

Changes made since are heat wrap, turbo blanket, heat reflective tape and custom heat shields.

Other bits are a fan in the engine lid and I'm in the process of plumbing in a recirc valve as the drive is a bit jerky between on lift off and think that could be a possibly cause.
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1979scotte

Jerkiness
Could this be excessive engine movement?
I fitted polybush inserts to my engine mounts and thought it made a positive difference.
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dan944

Quote from: 1979scotte on July 16, 2018, 15:21
Jerkiness
Could this be excessive engine movement?
I fitted polybush inserts to my engine mounts and thought it made a positive difference.
Ahh thanks :). Been quoted £95 for a set from brooks so will get them done if the recirc valve doesn't help. I though it was the fact the pressure wasn't being released quick enough etc.
that's probably a very fair point thinking about it :/.
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1979scotte

Quote from: dan944 on July 16, 2018, 15:24
Quote from: 1979scotte on July 16, 2018, 15:21
Jerkiness
Could this be excessive engine movement?
I fitted polybush inserts to my engine mounts and thought it made a positive difference.
Ahh thanks :). Been quoted £95 for a set from brooks so will get them done if the recirc valve doesn't help. I though it was the fact the pressure wasn't being released quick enough etc.
that's probably a very fair point thinking about it :/.

Plenty of extra torque.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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dan944

Quote from: 1979scotte on July 16, 2018, 15:25
Quote from: dan944 on July 16, 2018, 15:24
Quote from: 1979scotte on July 16, 2018, 15:21
Jerkiness
Could this be excessive engine movement?
I fitted polybush inserts to my engine mounts and thought it made a positive difference.
Ahh thanks :). Been quoted £95 for a set from brooks so will get them done if the recirc valve doesn't help. I though it was the fact the pressure wasn't being released quick enough etc.
that's probably a very fair point thinking about it :/.

Plenty of extra torque.
And 100k mounts haha.

It's on the list now.
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monsi

#232
My engine mounts failed very quickly once I added my turbo, I've now got the brooks ones and had no more problems, although there is more vibration/noise transmitted into the car.

The recirc valve could be responsible for the jerkiness, as on lift off the compressor wheel is probably stalling as the compressed air can't escape. Cheap easy mod and you get a nice woosh as the air is let back into the inlet :-)
Simon

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dan944

Quote from: monsi on July 16, 2018, 22:27
My engine mounts failed very quickly once I added my turbo, I've now got the brooks ones and had no more problems, although there is more vibration/noise transmitted into the car.

The recirc valve could be responsible for the jerkiness, as on lift off the compressor wheel is probably stalling as the compressed air can't escape. Cheap easy mod and you get a nice woosh as the air is let back into the inlet :-)

Cheers man :)

My turbo is VERY luaus at the moment so this should quieten it down but more importantly reduce judder. If not, engine mounts it is.
Although I'll probably to them anyway.
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shnazzle



Quote from: dan944 on July 16, 2018, 22:56
Quote from: monsi on July 16, 2018, 22:27
My engine mounts failed very quickly once I added my turbo, I've now got the brooks ones and had no more problems, although there is more vibration/noise transmitted into the car.

The recirc valve could be responsible for the jerkiness, as on lift off the compressor wheel is probably stalling as the compressed air can't escape. Cheap easy mod and you get a nice woosh as the air is let back into the inlet :-)

Cheers man :)

My turbo is VERY luaus at the moment so this should quieten it down but more importantly reduce judder. If not, engine mounts it is.
Although I'll probably to them anyway.

Your turbo is very luau?
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dan944

Is nowhere safe!!! Haha
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mikek

@dan944 @monsi is only up the road from you, he is in the forest and like you designed and built his own turbo. If we add @andibell and his 2zz and @Bernie  into our litte group we have some pretty quick cars. Time for a modified group drive me thinks!
2zz by Rogue. Se7en cams. BMC CDA. Competion clutches lightened flywheel, Megillian Racing Exhaust. TRD sportivo suspension and ARB\'s. TRD braces. TRD quick shift. TRD dash kit, Matts brace. Getting there but not sure when it will stop!

dan944

Quote from: mikek on July 17, 2018, 06:50
@dan944 @monsi is only up the road from you, he is in the forest and like you designed and built his own turbo. If we add @andibell and his 2zz and @Bernie  into our litte group we have some pretty quick cars. Time for a modified group drive me thinks!
:o I completely forgot. Let me put my new discs on first :).

I don't think I'm home for the next couple of weeks because stupid work makes me go to work or they stop paying my or something.

But after that I'm definitely game. Could do with checking out a few turbo set ups and wanna see how your beast performs!!
"I swear mum I did try and sell the roadster"

Silver mr2 2003 FL. Custom Turbo build 209whp. Lots of handling mods.

Honda CR-V The Work Horse

mikek

Quote from: dan944 on July 17, 2018, 06:53
Quote from: mikek on July 17, 2018, 06:50
@dan944 @monsi is only up the road from you, he is in the forest and like you designed and built his own turbo. If we add @andibell and his 2zz and @Bernie  into our litte group we have some pretty quick cars. Time for a modified group drive me thinks!
:o I completely forgot. Let me put my new discs on first :).

I don't think I'm home for the next couple of weeks because stupid work makes me go to work or they stop paying my or something.

But after that I'm definitely game. Could do with checking out a few turbo set ups and wanna see how your beast performs!!

Let's pick a date and get an event up then.

My car is going to be nowhere near as quick as yours!
2zz by Rogue. Se7en cams. BMC CDA. Competion clutches lightened flywheel, Megillian Racing Exhaust. TRD sportivo suspension and ARB\'s. TRD braces. TRD quick shift. TRD dash kit, Matts brace. Getting there but not sure when it will stop!

Nvy

Hey Dan,
Great build! People like you inspire me to do the extra mile myself, your turbo looks quite nice. I have 2 things to mention:

1. I noticed(in one of the pics that you posted in another thread) that you have some kind of support or something that goes to the turbo. With that kind of manifold you dont need it. Can you please post pics of your intake? Where is it located? I think i have an idea for you to try if you are up for more experimenting.
2. Ceramic coating your manifold inside and out will keep some more heat away from the engine bay and eventually making temps more bearable. A shop thats working with these stuff will be required to make it on the inside and Im pretty sure with your skill and an old oven you can coat the manifold from the outside for cheap. Even just outside will make a difference.

dan944

Quote from: Nvy on July 17, 2018, 08:53
Hey Dan,
Great build! People like you inspire me to do the extra mile myself, your turbo looks quite nice. I have 2 things to mention:

1. I noticed(in one of the pics that you posted in another thread) that you have some kind of support or something that goes to the turbo. With that kind of manifold you dont need it. Can you please post pics of your intake? Where is it located? I think i have an idea for you to try if you are up for more experimenting.
2. Ceramic coating your manifold inside and out will keep some more heat away from the engine bay and eventually making temps more bearable. A shop thats working with these stuff will be required to make it on the inside and Im pretty sure with your skill and an old oven you can coat the manifold from the outside for cheap. Even just outside will make a difference.

That support was temporary. It now sits underneath directly to the standard manifold brackets. I'm not sure if it doesn't need it? It's a good manifold but that's a lot of weight and vibration on the manifold. It can only help I guess.

Here's the intake. RHS vent. I have thought of the ceramic coating but my temps are getting quite low now and I'm pretty pleased to be honest.
I'm always up for experimenting on the motor.
"I swear mum I did try and sell the roadster"

Silver mr2 2003 FL. Custom Turbo build 209whp. Lots of handling mods.

Honda CR-V The Work Horse

Nvy

Quote from: dan944 on July 17, 2018, 09:33
Quote from: Nvy on July 17, 2018, 08:53
Hey Dan,
Great build! People like you inspire me to do the extra mile myself, your turbo looks quite nice. I have 2 things to mention:

1. I noticed(in one of the pics that you posted in another thread) that you have some kind of support or something that goes to the turbo. With that kind of manifold you dont need it. Can you please post pics of your intake? Where is it located? I think i have an idea for you to try if you are up for more experimenting.
2. Ceramic coating your manifold inside and out will keep some more heat away from the engine bay and eventually making temps more bearable. A shop thats working with these stuff will be required to make it on the inside and Im pretty sure with your skill and an old oven you can coat the manifold from the outside for cheap. Even just outside will make a difference.

That support was temporary. It now sits underneath directly to the standard manifold brackets. I'm not sure if it doesn't need it? It's a good manifold but that's a lot of weight and vibration on the manifold. It can only help I guess.

Here's the intake. RHS vent. I have thought of the ceramic coating but my temps are getting quite low now and I'm pretty pleased to be honest.
I'm always up for experimenting on the motor.

I was thinking to place the intake behind the wheel on the right. Slightly cut the arch so the cold air is channeled on the intake but that will require a bit of bumper cut too and adding a mesh there. The intake should be shielded again with some mesh and this will be the ideal setup me thinks. Your setup is also fine but i have read that its not much air coming through these side vents unless you do have the scoops on them.

shnazzle

Dan has scoops. Just not as big as Helen's :)
So that area should be fine. It's not like there will be a lack of air to suck in, and now that the temperatures are under control it's all fine
...neutiquam erro.

dan944

Quote from: Nvy on July 17, 2018, 09:55
Quote from: dan944 on July 17, 2018, 09:33
Quote from: Nvy on July 17, 2018, 08:53
Hey Dan,
Great build! People like you inspire me to do the extra mile myself, your turbo looks quite nice. I have 2 things to mention:

1. I noticed(in one of the pics that you posted in another thread) that you have some kind of support or something that goes to the turbo. With that kind of manifold you dont need it. Can you please post pics of your intake? Where is it located? I think i have an idea for you to try if you are up for more experimenting.
2. Ceramic coating your manifold inside and out will keep some more heat away from the engine bay and eventually making temps more bearable. A shop thats working with these stuff will be required to make it on the inside and Im pretty sure with your skill and an old oven you can coat the manifold from the outside for cheap. Even just outside will make a difference.

That support was temporary. It now sits underneath directly to the standard manifold brackets. I'm not sure if it doesn't need it? It's a good manifold but that's a lot of weight and vibration on the manifold. It can only help I guess.

Here's the intake. RHS vent. I have thought of the ceramic coating but my temps are getting quite low now and I'm pretty pleased to be honest.
I'm always up for experimenting on the motor.

I was thinking to place the intake behind the wheel on the right. Slightly cut the arch so the cold air is channeled on the intake but that will require a bit of bumper cut too and adding a mesh there. The intake should be shielded again with some mesh and this will be the ideal setup me thinks. Your setup is also fine but i have read that its not much air coming through these side vents unless you do have the scoops on them.
I added scoops solely for this reason :) although I do have scoop envy because @herecomesthewife has bigger ones than me :(
"I swear mum I did try and sell the roadster"

Silver mr2 2003 FL. Custom Turbo build 209whp. Lots of handling mods.

Honda CR-V The Work Horse

dan944

So in that side vent gives great acoustics. :)
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HereComesTheWife

Ha ha ha, scoop envy! Why don't you get the same ones?

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dan944

Because I've just bought and fitted these ones!! Lol. I will at some point I think.

Just don't leave your car unattended. ;)
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Call the midlife!

Wouldn't you be at risk of the tyre throwing water up at the filter behind the wheel? Not to mention the extra dust/debris kicked up?


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monsi

Sounds great to me :-)

I've got the dreaded mot coming up next week but after that would be fine
Quote from: mikek on July 17, 2018, 08:28
Quote from: dan944 on July 17, 2018, 06:53
Quote from: mikek on July 17, 2018, 06:50
@dan944 @monsi is only up the road from you, he is in the forest and like you designed and built his own turbo. If we add @andibell and his 2zz and @Bernie  into our litte group we have some pretty quick cars. Time for a modified group drive me thinks!
:o I completely forgot. Let me put my new discs on first :).

I don't think I'm home for the next couple of weeks because stupid work makes me go to work or they stop paying my or something.

But after that I'm definitely game. Could do with checking out a few turbo set ups and wanna see how your beast performs!!

Let's pick a date and get an event up then.

My car is going to be nowhere near as quick as yours!

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Simon

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BahnStormer

Quote from: dan944 on February 22, 2018, 13:42
So, just purchased my Garrett GT2554...

I will produce as concise a list as possible for those wanting to complete a turbo build.

watch this space!

What are the options once you've settled on GT25-spec turbo?

I assume a GT2554R is plenty for our engines? No need to go GT2560R or indeed the G25-550? (seems like more than double the price and overkill)

Were there any other turbo's you were considering?
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