VEILSIDE MRS IN THE UK!!!

Anonymous · August 21, 2003, 10:21

I cant believe the pics though, they look identical!

Anonymous · August 21, 2003, 10:24

Initially they do, but if you look closer, you'll see that the floor is different, the lighting is different and the cars are different (stickers in the front window, as well as the placing of the front registraction plate).

Anonymous · August 21, 2003, 10:26

Well spotted phil s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

But what the hell is going on?

Anonymous · August 21, 2003, 11:03

Quote from: "bluephoenix"Well spotted phil s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

But what the hell is going on?

dunno, check and find out. Good luck with it.

Anonymous · August 21, 2003, 11:16

Its a mystery! But Im gonna get to the bottom of it!

Jap GT300 · August 21, 2003, 12:06

It is a different car!
I had two white monocrafts go through about two weeks ago that I posted on SC.

It does happen, I wouldn't worry about it. All the cars have near identical photos as they have to park in the same place and the camera is in a fixed position. They put through about 15,000 cars a week so its not surprising that you see a similar one. All the jap cars have some sort of kit/performance product on them, they love it out there.

Adam

Anonymous · August 21, 2003, 12:51

Just come off the phoen from Magnum, apparently it is definitely a different car. The one Adam found is in a bit of a mess and Manum chose not to bid on it. However I have discovered that the Veilside Foirtune kit and Veilside wheels actually weigh LESS than the standard kit!!

Plus it has a HKS induction kit.

Anonymous · August 21, 2003, 13:19

Quote from: "bluephoenix"However I have discovered that the Veilside Foirtune kit and Veilside wheels actually weigh LESS than the standard kit!!

Plus it has a HKS induction kit.

Your missing things. The kit itself weights less but the full VS set up adds weight, and a lot of it, but your real problem is the wheels without the turbo...

So the wheel weighs less, it still has further to go to finish a full turn which kills acceleration, your tires also weigh more even the extra air that has to go in them adds weight.

If you like it, good on you have fun with it but if you post on a Internet board don't expect me to say anything nice about it, it takes away everything a true roadster is s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 12:52

So the wheel weighs less, it still has further to go to finish a full turn which kills acceleration, your tires also weigh more even the extra air that has to go in them adds weight.

If you like it, good on you have fun with it but if you post on a Internet board don't expect me to say anything nice about it, it takes away everything a true roadster is s:roll: :roll: s:roll: [/quote]

OK now Im confused! How can lower profile tyres (with less rubber and less air) weigh more than big chunky dunlops?

And taking longer to finish a turn altering acceleration? Dont think that makes sense mate?

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 13:10

Quote from: "bluephoenix"OK now Im confused! How can lower profile tyres (with less rubber and less air) weigh more than big chunky dunlops?

And taking longer to finish a turn altering acceleration? Dont think that makes sense mate?

The wheels and tyres are bigger than stock. The overall circumference and width of the tyres are greater, therefore more rubber, therefore heavier.

Also as the overall size of the wheel is bigger you are effectively lengthening the gearing, therefore acceleration with take a hit.

HTH

--H--

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 13:35

Im sure that the diameter of the wheel is still the same, just skinnier tyres.
The time it takes for the wheel to rotate 360 degrees therefore wont change, neither will speedo and accelleration readings!

Do you mean that the depth of the tyres is greater ie deep dished alloys?

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 13:38

Quote from: "bluephoenix"Dont think that makes sense mate?

Look mate, i've been racing mid-engine cars since I was 16. They may very well be low profile, but why don't you check how WIDE they are.

If you want the VS go for it i'd still smile and call you friend at a meet. Your car, your choice but i'll never ever like ANYTHING VS ever do. I know what wheels work best for a lightweight roadster with a small wheelbase, I don't care how light they are.

I mean no offense whenever I comment on your car, but NO part of that car is built for performance and it kills what a true perfectly balanced (did you think about what that kit does to the balance?) car this is.

I'm not picking a fight with you i'm making comments about something on a public internet board. As VS go I love the color of yours and i'm glad its not covered in stickers. It looks so much better without them, I also think it would be cool to hear how that exhaust sounds.

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 13:45

No offense taken.

You are obviously entitled to your own opinion and being new to this game I do appreciate your expertise advice.

Ive obvioiusly got my heart set on the Veilside Fortune 01 model of MRS but would you recommend I get the car dyno tested and weighed to check for effects on the cars performance?

What other things would you recommend I do prior to making the final payment on the car?

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 13:47

Quote from: "bluephoenix"Im sure that the diameter of the wheel is still the same, just skinnier tyres.

on 18's wouldnt that mean that the tyres would have to have a profile of something like 30 or 35... thats not a lot of rubber (height wise anyway)! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 13:50

Quote from: "krisclarkuk"
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Im sure that the diameter of the wheel is still the same, just skinnier tyres.

on 18's wouldnt that mean that the tyres would have to have a profile of something like 30 or 35... thats not a lot of rubber (height wise anyway)! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

The 35 (or 30) is the ratio of the tyre height to it's width... so a 35 may be quite high if we're talking 375/35, or could be almost nonexistand if it's a 185/35.

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 13:53

used m http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc m to guess the size of the wheels...

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 13:53

Stock rear is 205/55/15. Assuming 18" wheels running about 220 width tyres (safe assumption?) then to have the same overall radius you would need 35 profile tyres!

It's unlikely you'd get those so assuming 18" running 220/45/18 (another reasonable assumption?) the tyre would be runnig nearly 2 inches larger in diameter and about 3/5 of an inch wider so you would have both more rubber (i.e. heavier) and a larger diameter wheel (therefore effecting accelleration).

Don't blame me, I just crunch the numbers...

--H--

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 13:58

Just found out from Adam at GT Inter that it has adjustable sports suspension. Anyone know how that works?

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 14:05

Quote from: "bluephoenix"No offense taken.

You are obviously entitled to your own opinion and being new to this game I do appreciate your expertise advice.

Ive obvioiusly got my heart set on the Veilside Fortune 01 model of MRS but would you recommend I get the car dyno tested and weighed to check for effects on the cars performance?

What other things would you recommend I do prior to making the final payment on the car?

Mate its a great looking buy if anything you could probably sell it again for more if you didn't like it once you had it and if your heart is set on it good luck to you. I have to be fair and say VS make good QUALITY stuff and I doubt you wont like it when you see it (er does that make sense, as in you WILL like it). I wouldn't worry to much about weighing it, but getting it Dyno'd is always fun for the hell of it anyway. I won't be Dynoin' mine till i've done what I want done to the engine.

If you want more power the Milway chipping program seems to give a real bang for buck off the top of my head to give it a bit of a kick. I'll be getting it done last to my car as it needs tunning. I'm also looking at head work. I'm aiming for about 170bhp for mine, dunno if i'll get there but I think its possible.

Try these sites maybe -
m http://www.fensport.co.uk/ m
m http://www.japanparts.com/index.html m
m http://www.ppeengineering.com/ m (if you want a boost in power the PPE Headder is a great buy)
m http://www.millwayvehiclespecialists.co.uk/ m

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 14:07

No offence intended Blue, but it seems to me your buying a lot of stuff here that you don't really know much about. Perhaps it might be better to try something that's a bit more stock so that you don't have to worry about all this extra stuff and you can just concentrate on getting out there and driving!

Just a thought.

If you do decide to go ahead with this I'm sure you'll find lots of help here anyway.

As for adjustable suspension. Well I'll leave that to someone else, other than to say it really just means adjustable ride hight shockers, unless your getting various sets of springs with different compression rates too. But I don;t have the knowledge to go in to all that.

--H--

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 14:14

Quote from: "mph"To give you an idea (and if I recall correctly) you need about 25bhp more if you have 17" wheels on to keep up with an otherwise comparable '2 running the stock 15" wheels.*

*very roughly tested at Donnington circuit - straight line acceleration - my '2 with unichip & 17" wheels vs. pmdye's '2.

Agreed; there was little between us in a straight line, as I recall. Although Martin was whipping my 'ass in the braking zone, 'cos he's well known for his savage treatment of the middle pedal s:P

s:P

Quotebut certainly I'm up for a meet - I'm interested in how the Veilside looks (as is Millway, though that's nothing to do with me), so we could arrange that for something like morning of Sat 30th?

I'm up for a mini-meet, being local too... Best take this to PM or Events...

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 14:35

To stay close to OEM speedo readings, handling, fuel consumption, ride, performance, etc one would need 215/30/18 rears and 185/35/18 fronts.

Since there are no such tyres, an MR2 with 18" wheels will most definitely lose out on all aforementioned aspects.

And most certainly, in the rain I wouldn't like to be in (or near) an MR2 with 18" wheels.

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 15:01

Quote from: "Emmanuel"in the rain I wouldn't like to be in (or near) an MR2 with 18" wheels.

Yeah be VERY careful in the rain with it.

**edit** you know what i wouldnt even take it out in the rain if you could help it.

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 17:54

Why what would happen in the rain and why?

Anonymous · August 22, 2003, 18:02

Quote from: "bluephoenix"Why what would happen in the rain and why?

Aquaplaning. The wheel is lifted up of the ground by the rain and you lose all traction, this is what happened to you the first time in your first MR2. The wider and bigger the wheel the worse it will be, yours a going to be a problem.

Just be careful thats all, and try not to drive it in the rain if you don't have to. Book yourself in on a skid pad and learn how to handle the car is the best thing you can do.