Quote from: Petrus on June 17, 2023, 12:41I use them all year round.
Also, living in the mountains, nights and early mornings can be below zero quite often for some 4 months. Wééks of frosted windscreens is normal.
I would say they will do ok to some 5 degrees if you factor in some more time to warm them up.
Especially below zero they don´t work and don´t wake up. Mind, they are still rubber tyres and about on par with the El Cheapo no grip specials mine came on.
Also I find they stay predictable and consistent. Simply adjust your driving.

Btwm the 195/50 look a lót smaller in the wheel well than the 195/55 than they really áre. I mean, we are taking 1 cm lower rubber ffs but you percieve it without doubt.

Alright. Then they should do just fine for me between May and October. Maybe even stretch April-November. Let's see.

I will go 185/55 for the fronts.

Quote from: Zens on June 17, 2023, 09:01I think the Hankkok being thrown around in this thread is the hankook ventus prime 3 k125. First I hear of a Hankook RS4.

The Prime 3 are in the ultra high performance category. This tire looks similar to the ones I had long ago which I went through 2 sets. They were not stiff but they were somewhat ok for a budget tire. My only regret was not going back to the OEM Yokohama tires before they were discontinued.

Quote from: Zens on June 17, 2023, 09:05Is this data published in tyre specs? Like, is it known bellow which temperature the AD08RS would start suffering?

This is for the R version.

QuoteADVAN Neova AD08 R is designed to increase grip and improve handling on dry and wet roads. However, like all Extreme Performance Summer tires, these tires are not intended to be serviced, stored nor driven in near- and below-freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice.

The storage part concerns me but I think driving with them in freezing temps could ruin their molecular structure and cause them to get brittle.

Man, this grew arms and legs 

Quote from: McMr2 on June 17, 2023, 23:05Man, this grew arms and legs 

...and apart from my Friday mounted set not much rubber 

Note to self; need to scrub in a bit more before going deep on the twisty bits to Portugal tomorrow.

Ten pages on rear wheels and tyres!! 

I stopped reading seven pages ago, and so did most of our members, I'm sure. 

Fewer and fewer people are engaging on here, and a lot of that is because of the tedium being inflicted.

There.  I've said it.

aye we should all participate a bit less because all has been written before anyway and if it has not it will annoy some more and not be worth their bandwith... Ban us all I say so the good folk can have a quiet forum.

Right, it is rainy so will go wash mine under the softer rain water and wipe it dry under roof.

This topic received well over 2k  views with a good number of participants, including the original poster who is asking pertinent questions that some of us were answering staying on topic, participating as well as benefiting from the discussion.
I don't understand what the problem is. There are many threads where I don't participate but I do read them and I am sure other people do as well, in fact, I was contacted elsewhere about this topic from someone that does not post actively  on this board for my opinions on the matter for their needs.

This thread was reaching a natural conclusion as most threads do where everyone is happy to have participated and enjoyed, so if there is a problem kindly send me a private message asking me to no longer participate and to no longer answer the original posters questions that were addressed directly to me.
It is obvious I did something wrong that I was unaware of and still unaware.

Quote from: Dev on June 18, 2023, 13:14This topic received well over 2k  views with a good number of participants, including the original poster who is asking pertinent questions that some of us were answering staying on topic, participating as well as benefiting from the discussion.
I don't understand what the problem is. There are many threads where I don't participate but I do read them and I am sure other people do as well, in fact, I was contacted elsewhere about this topic from someone that does not post actively  on this board for my opinions on the matter for their needs.

This thread was reaching a natural conclusion as most threads do where everyone is happy to have participated and enjoyed, so if there is a problem kindly send me a private message asking me to no longer participate and to no longer answer the original posters questions that were addressed directly to me.
It is obvious I did something wrong that I was unaware of and still unaware.

No disrespect intended here, was just amazed to see how it grew from the original post.

Quote from: McMr2 on June 18, 2023, 13:32No disrespect intended here, was just amazed to see how it grew from the original post.

I did not take it as such. It probably grew because I as well as others have the same problem with finding the right wheels and tires when our options in sizes are becoming limited every year. What was good years ago has now become discontinued. In the case of my market I cant get anything worth having because they are starting at 18" tires and above.

Well, saying it's a thread about rear wheels and tyres only is simplifying it a bit.

This is how it started yes, but as with any conversation, one thing led to another and we went from rear FL wheels and tyres to the advantage of 16" at rear, if any, to the ins and outs of different tyres and wheels sizes than OEM, to replacing OEM wheels with lighter wheels, to selecting tyres which were not only good for the road but also some track fun, to discussing the difference between the tyre lines and brands and now tyre storage.

Quite a bit of ground covered there and I for one am glad for the contributions from Dev, Petrus and everybody who engaged in the "back and forths". I learned a lot there. Thanks for that!

The conundrum with forums is that while many or even most questions have probably been already asked and answered, and using the search function may suffice, forums depend on people engaging in new conversations and bringing in traffic for the forum's survival. Specially in this day when many forums died or are dying because conversations have moved to Facebook. Having been a moderator in forums before, I know long discussions are not necessarily bad for traffic and attracting new members as well as add revenue, when applicable.

Besides, I do enjoy talking about things I'm passionate about with fellow minded folks, even if we are talking about things we have before.

But in the case of tyres, I must agree with Dev, that what was relevant before seems no longer. I found conversations online from just a few years back on tyres for the Mr2 spyder which are no longer that relevant today.

But we covered a lot more ground than just that here. And when I think I'm done, more important and useful info pops up, like now the question of tyre "storage."

Quote from: Dev on June 17, 2023, 15:03This is for the R version.
The storage part concerns me but I think driving with them in freezing temps could ruin their molecular structure and cause them to get brittle.

I have no intention of driving the AD08RS in freezing temperatures. But the part about storage is now concerning me too. I mean, I will only drive the car in spring-summer. The car will be sitting on the tyres for the rest of the year. Will that be worse on them than on any other normal tyre? And what do they mean by "these tires are not intended to be serviced"?

Quote from: Zens on June 19, 2023, 10:44I have no intention of driving the AD08RS in freezing temperatures. But the part about storage is now concerning me too. I mean, I will only drive the car in spring-summer. The car will be sitting on the tyres for the rest of the year. Will that be worse on them than on any other normal tyre? And what do they mean by "these tires are not intended to be serviced"?

I wouldn't worry about this.

My AD08RS tyres have seen freezing conditions many times.

I've recently done a 3-day 660 mile round trip and a trackday to boot.

No dramas.

Quote from: Zens on June 19, 2023, 10:44I have no intention of driving the AD08RS in freezing temperatures. But the part about storage is now concerning me too. I mean, I will only drive the car in spring-summer. The car will be sitting on the tyres for the rest of the year. Will that be worse on them than on any other normal tyre? And what do they mean by "these tires are not intended to be serviced"?

Most warnings revolve around flexing the tires when they are cold.

One option for storage for summer tires that seems OK is to buy relatively inexpensive storage ramps that have a rounded section for the tire, and then pump the tires up to the max allowed pressure, typically 40-50 psi.  They won't flat spot or even flex much if you have to roll the car around.   Just remember to drop the pressures when going out in warmer weather!

Quote from: Zens on June 19, 2023, 10:41Well, saying it's a thread about rear wheels and tyres only is simplifying it a bit.

This is how it started yes, but as with any conversation, one thing led to another and we went from rear FL wheels and tyres to the advantage of 16" at rear, if any, to the ins and outs of different tyres and wheels sizes than OEM, to replacing OEM wheels with lighter wheels, to selecting tyres which were not only good for the road but also some track fun, to discussing the difference between the tyre lines and brands and now tyre storage.

Quite a bit of ground covered there and I for one am glad for the contributions from Dev, Petrus and everybody who engaged in the "back and forths". I learned a lot there. Thanks for that!

The conundrum with forums is that while many or even most questions have probably been already asked and answered, and using the search function may suffice, forums depend on people engaging in new conversations and bringing in traffic for the forum's survival. Specially in this day when many forums died or are dying because conversations have moved to Facebook. Having been a moderator in forums before, I know long discussions are not necessarily bad for traffic and attracting new members as well as add revenue, when applicable.

Besides, I do enjoy talking about things I'm passionate about with fellow minded folks, even if we are talking about things we have before.

But in the case of tyres, I must agree with Dev, that what was relevant before seems no longer. I found conversations online from just a few years back on tyres for the Mr2 spyder which are no longer that relevant today.

But we covered a lot more ground than just that here. And when I think I'm done, more important and useful info pops up, like now the question of tyre "storage."

 It was enjoyable because you asked good questions as an enthusiast that aroused my curiosity to further my own understanding. I hope you find tires that fulfill your driving pleasure. 

Quote from: Beachbum957 on June 19, 2023, 11:35Most warnings revolve around flexing the tires when they are cold.

One option for storage for summer tires that seems OK is to buy relatively inexpensive storage ramps that have a rounded section for the tire, and then pump the tires up to the max allowed pressure, typically 40-50 psi.  They won't flat spot or even flex much if you have to roll the car around.   Just remember to drop the pressures when going out in warmer weather!

I'll not confess as to the age of my Falken tyres but they have been on the ground for only 6 months of the year at standard pressures and for the winter 6 months they were off the car for one winter, then the car was either on axle stands or the tyres inflated to just below max. and out of UV light in semi darkness in my garage in winter months.
The tyres look to be in good condition with no sign of cracking or other deterioration

Quote from: Beachbum957 on June 19, 2023, 11:35Most warnings revolve around flexing the tires when they are cold.

One option for storage for summer tires that seems OK is to buy relatively inexpensive storage ramps that have a rounded section for the tire, and then pump the tires up to the max allowed pressure, typically 40-50 psi.  They won't flat spot or even flex much if you have to roll the car around.  Just remember to drop the pressures when going out in warmer weather!

I see. The thing is, my MR2 will be stored under a carport during winter. Which means, it's under a roof, but still outside. So it will get cold. I will cover it with a car cover. But it will be in outdoor temperatures, which are definitely bellow freezing.

Putting it on stands to take the tyres off to store is not an option. So hopefully the overinflating trick will suffice. Or if I can find the ramps you mentioned around here.

Quote from: Dev on June 19, 2023, 15:20It was enjoyable because you asked good questions as an enthusiast that aroused my curiosity to further my own understanding. I hope you find tires that fulfill your driving pleasure. 

Thanks.

I'm still not done, as you can see.

I guess I could have started new threads for the different tyre related topics. But it grew so naturally here.

For example, I'm now pondering if I should go to the track with my current T1Rs to finish them off. Or if I risk not having legal tyres for the drive back. The rear ones probably have around 3mm left. Since the MR2 is so light, I would say they should be good for at least a half day on the track under 30°C weather? Would hate for them to wear out bellow legal tread depth and I can't drive back on them. I don't think the small track offers any tyre service.

But if I go on my new AD08RS that I will buy, I will need to drive on them for a while on the road first, before I can track them. By the time I get enough drive on them, summer might be over. I would like to track the car at least once this year yet.

As a last decision point in going with the AD08RS, there are very few days in the year here where it's really hot. Like above 30°C. Between April and October we are mainly talking about temperatures in the 20's °C. April, May and October can even drop a bit bellow, like 15-17°C. All this talk about the AD08RS being for higher temperatures made me think if they are really the best tyres for me, if I will only get the full performance those few days which are above 30°C or really warm. And then they will be just too hard. Maybe bad memories from driving an manual M3 with summer tyres in dump winter once.   

If they only worked in high temperatures they wouldn't be sold in the UK.  Has anyone every suggested you over-think things?

Quote from: Zens on June 20, 2023, 10:18if I will only get the full performance those few days which are above 30°C or really warm.   

Wrong. It´s when théy are on temp. Not the same.

Meanwhile done some 600 kms with the my fresh fornts. The 50-series are just what the docter ordered. They grip as the old R used too and yes, júst noticeably stiffer, more direct.

Quote from: Gaz mr-s on June 20, 2023, 13:42If they only worked in high temperatures they wouldn't be sold in the UK.

I didn't mean they only work in high temperatures. I meant if they perform best in high temperatures, and those are only a few days a year here, if it's still worth it, or better to get a tyre which will perform at its best more times a year.

 

Quote from: Gaz mr-s on June 20, 2023, 13:42Has anyone every suggested you over-think things?

All the time man, all the time. I'm the rather safe than sorry type. So it can irritate some. But often times it pays off when S hits the fan and I don't get sprayed as I'm safely watching from the bleachers. I apologize if it irritates you. 

Quote from: Petrus on June 20, 2023, 14:11Wrong. It´s when théy are on temp. Not the same.

Sorry, but I have no idea what you just said.

Quote from: Zens on June 20, 2023, 20:04Sorry, but I have no idea what you just said.

Same.

Quote from: Zens on June 20, 2023, 20:04Sorry, but I have no idea what you just said.

The wéather does not need to be warm. As long as it is not thát cold that you cannot get the rubber absorbing energy and thus warm up.
With some 25 degrees yesterday around midday I had the rubber hót to the touch, at least 55 degrees.
That is why with 5 degrees ambient temp the rubber can still be warmed up enough.

This observed I would have two sets of wheels if I would be living in the Netherlands.  Héck, I even have two sets nów. Have the OEM set I replaced with the Enkeis still in the garage. The idea is to fit a set of winters but sofar have not felt the need.

On a lighter note:
Fitted the OEM pfl wheels under my Suzuki Kei car van for fun for a year but they are too heavy (originally on narrow 13") so they are back in the garage again. As such I have a set of all wather in reserve. Don´t expect I will use them.

On a lighter still note: Global warming will work in your advantage for summer tyre use