After pm'ing one of the mods we thought a thread to monitor my turbo build would be a good idea – actually it's more than to 'monitor' it's me throwing myself on the mercy of the club, as a mechanical noob and gathering advice long the way. I have read as much of the information on Turbo Builds as I can, and now it's time to get things moving, and I am really looking to tap the collective knowledge of the club.
I bought some basics, over a year ago, to start a turbo build. I am looking for (a) help so I know what else I need to purchase, and after I've purchased the rest of the gear (b) some advice while I assemble.
I am not handy with a spanner beyond the very basics, such as changing brake discs and pads, but I want the challenge of putting it together myself.
So this is the list of gear I have presently:
1. Uprated clutch (already fitted professionally).
2. Garrett GT 28r
3. Intercooler
4. Moroso oil pan
5. Cast Manifold
6. Injectors (380cc)
7. Greddy Emanage & Profec E 01 boost controller
8. Emanage harness
9. Dump Valve (BOV)
10. Nord lock washers
11. Dash Pod for gauges (52mm)
12. Nissan gasket set for Turbo
13. Oil feed restrictor
14. Torque app for android
15. EGT, Boost, Oil Pressure and Temp Gauges
16. Manifold Bolts from Mr T
This is what I think I need in addition to the above:
1. Bolts turbo to manifold
2. Engine Mounts (Kirk mounts?)
3. V Band 3 inch or 2.5 inch?
4. Boost Pipe
5. Gasket for manifold?
6. Induction kit
7. Flouro lined oil lines
8. O2 Sensor resistor
9. Downpipe/Exhaust
10. Liquid Gasket Oil Pan
11. Oil guage fitting t piece
12. Heat Wrap
13. Resistor to join O2 sensors
So thanks in advance to anyone willing to weigh in on the conversation. My overall aim is a reliable fun car - and I am shooting for 200 bhp or thereabouts.
My first question is - which gauges? I am thinking oil temp, oil pressure and exhaust gas temp, with boost being provided by the profec e01.
I am looking for reasonable priced gear (not so cheap it is not reliable, but not spending more than is necessary). So cost is a consideration.
So which gauges and where to buy? (I was looking at evo digital gauges, but have read they glare in daylight.)
Also if someone wants to step in and offer any advice on mechanical versus digital...
i think you can easily push past 200bhp reliably with that list.
I have oil temp, oil pressure and boost, all 3 are very useful as the oil gauges tell me when the car has properly warmed up so I can give it some s:D :D s:D
I bought some mid priced stepper motor gauges I think they were around £150 for the 3. And they light up white in the day and red at night.. Really bright and easy to read.
These.
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I used a oil filter sandwich plate for the turbo feed and oil gauges. Bit easier to work with than t-pieces.
Don't forget you need a inlet pipe post turbo with a maf fitting. Pre turbo is a nightmare to setup on the emanage, I couldn't get mine to tick over properly. The air is completely different after the turbo and intercooler, so the maf likes being last before the throttle housing. Then the stock ecu sorts out the tick over properly on its own.
Where are you going to fit the intercooler? This will obviously dictate what boost pipes you need. It gets very hot in the engine bay, you may be better with a water-air charge cooler. I know they aren't as efficient but in a mid engine car it seems like a better solution.
If your anywhere near me you can come and see how my intercooler and turbo are plumbed in.
Much neater than other solutions i have seen.
Also i think you'll easily make 200bhp. Careful not to make too much torque and fry the gearbox.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Careful not to make too much torque and fry the gearbox.
Pahh, gearboxes are cheap... Torque is fun, (although I do think I've broken something..my gearbox makes a new noise when changing down gears ...opps)
Quote from: "Leethesparky"Quote from: "1979scotte"Careful not to make too much torque and fry the gearbox.
Pahh, gearboxes are cheap... Torque is fun, (although I do think I've broken something..my gearbox makes a new noise when changing down gears ...opps)
I'm quite happy to bet that your setup is pushing both engine and gearbox past their limits. You need some forged bits and an s54/e153 box.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Leethesparky"Quote from: "1979scotte"Careful not to make too much torque and fry the gearbox.
Pahh, gearboxes are cheap... Torque is fun, (although I do think I've broken something..my gearbox makes a new noise when changing down gears ...opps)
I'm quite happy to bet that your setup is pushing both engine and gearbox past their limits. You need some forged bits and an s54/e153 box.
Yeah I know but I'm putting in a new engine (or rebuilding mine) after summer and will get it properly set up on a rolling road.
But for now it's good fun and I've no idea what it's pushing.. But I showed my mate up today, he has a 320bhp Impreza
And I have RAC s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Leethesparky"Don't forget you need a inlet pipe post turbo with a maf fitting. Pre turbo is a nightmare to setup on the emanage, I couldn't get mine to tick over properly. The air is completely different after the turbo and intercooler, so the maf likes being last before the throttle housing. Then the stock ecu sorts out the tick over properly on its own.
Depends on the type of BOV - The e-manage/ECU handles a recirc valve with the MAF pre-turbo without any drama. With a vent to atmos valve you effectively introduce a huge leak in the intake pipe when the MAF is pre-turbo.
Quote from: "Leethesparky"Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Leethesparky"Pahh, gearboxes are cheap... Torque is fun, (although I do think I've broken something..my gearbox makes a new noise when changing down gears ...opps)
I'm quite happy to bet that your setup is pushing both engine and gearbox past their limits. You need some forged bits and an s54/e153 box.
Yeah I know but I'm putting in a new engine (or rebuilding mine) after summer and will get it properly set up on a rolling road.
But for now it's good fun and I've no idea what it's pushing.. But I showed my mate up today, he has a 320bhp Impreza
And I have RAC s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
You need to get it on the dyno before something goes bang s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
what manifold are you using?
Quote from: "keljon"what manifold are you using?
Che cast iron - as far as I am aware.
Thanks to all have replied - I will return to the various considerations and points that have been made, e.g. MAF position.
Scotte - unfortunately I'm way up north, get to the Scottish border and just keep on trucking! So I will decline your kind invites. But as time goes on I might pester you for some pics?
Lee Gauges look good - I'm still toying with the idea of an EGT though.
So any further opinions on an EGT gauge?
Cheers
RJ
I was in Scotland a few weeks ago. Always a chance it could happen again.
If anyone up there has an SP turbo kit i would recommend you take a peek.
Very nicely packaged.
Quote from: "1979scotte"I was in Scotland a few weeks ago. Always a chance it could happen again.
If anyone up there has an SP turbo kit i would recommend you take a peek.
Very nicely packaged.
I think the closest person with any type of turbo'd MR2 is about 3 hours south of me - though I'd be delighted to learn otherwise.
If you do end up in my neck of the woods give me a shout.
Gauges now bought and original post edited to suit.
Quote from: "Davegtst"Where are you going to fit the intercooler? This will obviously dictate what boost pipes you need. It gets very hot in the engine bay, you may be better with a water-air charge cooler. I know they aren't as efficient but in a mid engine car it seems like a better solution.
I agree the chargecooler is a better solution - but I have a Precision Intercooler, and would rather see how I get on with that for the time-being.
I would rather not have my intercooler at the bottom of the car as I live at the end of a steepish country track that can be quite unforgiving of lower hanging bits of cars.
However, I might run an intercooler at the bottom with a scoop and if that does not work, (cooling and ground clearance).move onto a chargecooler thereafter - if I do this can I leave room to position a chargecooler at a later date?
Anyone running a turbo, successfully with an intercooler want to weigh in with some advice?
I'll get some pictures for you.
Mine is on the passenger side, just inside the nappy. Hole cut to supply airflow.
Thanks Scotte - much appreciated.
No worries bud. It won't be until next weekend I'd imagine maybe demon tweeks will let me get up while its up on the ramp.
no worries - the title of the thread is world's slowest turbo build - I'm in not in an extreme hurry.
The Americans have mounted them at the back over the exhaust. Not that I think its a good idea but might help you to look at spyderchat. Where in Aberdeenshire?
RB I am about 15 minutes outside of Inverurie.
So I got distracted... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Anyway - turbo brace, is it necessary?
If so, does anyone have a template, I seem to remember seeing one somewhere.
Thanks in advance
Wow not finished yet?
Turbo brace.
If you have a cast manifold i would think not.
If you have stainless or similar then i would think you will.
OK I have cast s:) :) s:) (anyone else want to chime in?)
would have been finished ages ago, but I didn't want to make a liar out of myself as per the thread title.
I figure 2 years gives me a touch of credibility...
Quote from: "Redjay"OK I have cast s:) :) s:) (anyone else want to chime in?)
would have been finished ages ago, but I didn't want to make a liar out of myself as per the thread title.
I figure 2 years gives me a touch of credibility...
Lets has a Pic of the mani so we are 100% but none of the TTE or SP turbo cars run a brace. All have cast manifolds.
After a fair bit of research into this bracing is a good idea if your a running a stainless mainifold. Moreso if it is a turbo above manifold configuration
If you look on page 2 of my build thread, there are some pictures of peoples braces
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Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Redjay"OK I have cast s:) :) s:) (anyone else want to chime in?)
would have been finished ages ago, but I didn't want to make a liar out of myself as per the thread title.
I figure 2 years gives me a touch of credibility...
Lets has a Pic of the mani so we are 100% but none of the TTE or SP turbo cars run a brace. All have cast manifolds.
(https://preview.ibb.co/iMAOt5/cast_manifold.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d5pu0k)
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So cast - no brace necessary.
Quote from: "Essex2Visuvesi"After a fair bit of research into this bracing is a good idea if your a running a stainless mainifold. Moreso if it is a turbo above manifold configuration
If you look on page 2 of my build thread, there are some pictures of peoples braces
l viewtopic.php?f=88&t=60405 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=88&t=60405) l
Cheers fella - pretty sure it's going down the way tho - so should be OK.
started - had some help from someone handy with a pair of spanners this afternoon
(https://preview.ibb.co/keGUY5/MR2_arse_off.jpg) (https://ibb.co/eWdyRQ)
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Quote from: "1979scotte"No worries bud. It won't be until next weekend I'd imagine maybe demon tweeks will let me get up while its up on the ramp.
so scotte - any chance of having a gander of where you've got your cooler?
Youll have to ask Grant it his car now.
My current 2 is a yellow v6.
Intercooler is ahead of the gearbox.
I would have a charge cooler tbh.
When i get round to a supercharger thats what i am going to do.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Youll have to ask Grant it his car now.
My current 2 is a yellow v6
s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
(for envy)
Anyone got any advice on a 2.5 inch v band adapter versus a 3 inch - the 3 inch is cast, the 2.5 is stainless?
Which would be preferable
Bigger the better imho and i prefer cast bits too.
Cheers Scotte/ Any idea where to get some nice long studs for the new exhaust manifold? - is 10mm thicker than the OEM one.
I used these (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M8-x-40-Manifold-Studs-Aerotight-Nuts-STAINLESS-STEEL-Inlet-Exhaust-/390926353150?var=&hash=item0) studs with the cast manifold on my turbo
Quote from: "monsi"I used these (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M8-x-40-Manifold-Studs-Aerotight-Nuts-STAINLESS-STEEL-Inlet-Exhaust-/390926353150?var=&hash=item0) studs with the cast manifold on my turbo
look good
thanks guys
So, any ideas on washers for the manifold studs? I have nord lock washers, but I'm reading mixed things.
Thanks in advance
So, I popped out for a packet of crisps and to pick up a newspaper and got waylaid.
4 years later? :D
Quote from: Redjay on August 18, 2021, 11:32So, I popped out for a packet of crisps and to pick up a newspaper and got waylaid.
So, the crisps must be passed their best before date and as for the newspaper!
Quote from: Joesson on August 18, 2021, 13:36So, the crisps must be passed their best before date and as for the newspaper!
Crisps have went a little soggy
Quote from: The Other Stu on August 18, 2021, 13:334 years later? :D
I was never going to be the fastest, so I've went all out to be the slowest.
Quote from: Redjay on August 18, 2021, 15:14Quote from: The Other Stu on August 18, 2021, 13:334 years later? :D
I was never going to be the fastest, so I've went all out to be the slowest.
At what?
You have certainly been AWOL for some time, have you anything to show us regarding p r o g r e s s ? Any paint is probably dry by now!
No progress whatsoever. :-[
In fact with the car not even moving, and brakes no doubt being seized - I'm sure progress has regressed.
But yesterday does not define tomorrow. I'm half expecting one of the mods to blow the whistle, give me a red card and tell me to start a new thread in the performance section. If I promise to be a good boy and actually perform.
Quote from: Redjay on May 30, 2015, 12:51After pm'ing one of the mods we thought a thread to monitor my turbo build would be a good idea – actually it's more than to 'monitor' it's me throwing myself on the mercy of the club, as a mechanical noob and gathering advice long the way. I have read as much of the information on Turbo Builds as I can, and now it's time to get things moving, and I am really looking to tap the collective knowledge of the club.
I bought some basics, over a year ago, to start a turbo build. I am looking for (a) help so I know what else I need to purchase, and after I've purchased the rest of the gear (b) some advice while I assemble.
I am not handy with a spanner beyond the very basics, such as changing brake discs and pads, but I want the challenge of putting it together myself.
So this is the list of gear I have presently:
1. Uprated clutch (already fitted professionally).
2. Garrett GT 28r
3. Intercooler
4. Moroso oil pan
5. Cast Manifold and gasket
6. Injectors (380cc)
7. Greddy Emanage & Profec E 01 boost controller
8. Emanage harness
9. Dump Valve (BOV)
10. Nord lock washers
11. Dash Pod for gauges (52mm)
12. Nissan gasket set for Turbo
13. Oil feed restrictor
14. Torque app for android
15. EGT, Boost, Oil Pressure and Temp Gauges
16. Manifold Bolts from Mr T
17. Exhaust
18. Charge cooler kit
This is what I think I need in addition to the above:
1. Bolts turbo to manifold
2. Engine Mounts (Kirk mounts?)
3. Boost Pipe
4. Induction kit
5. Flouro lined oil lines
6. O2 Sensor resistor
7. Oil guage fitting t piece
8. Heat Wrap
So thanks in advance to anyone willing to weigh in on the conversation. My overall aim is a reliable fun car - and I am shooting for 200 bhp or thereabouts.