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The Workshop => Performance Related => Topic started by: michaelb on February 17, 2018, 22:39

Title: Plug in to ecu
Post by: michaelb on February 17, 2018, 22:39
Hi, do these ecu plug-ins actually do what they claim?
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: shnazzle on February 17, 2018, 23:43
Which ECUs and what do they claim?
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: Ardent on February 18, 2018, 00:46
what ^^^^^ said
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: michaelb on February 18, 2018, 09:18
Nitro, they claim as much as additional 15bph and just plug in. The add on will do everything in terms of maximising the power output without going outside the parameters if the engines tolerances. It sounds a bit suspect
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: jonbill on February 18, 2018, 09:28
All for £4 [emoji3]
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: michaelb on February 18, 2018, 09:52
Not quite that cheap but not a million miles away! Thing is though, the electronics involved aren't as complicated as most people think and the Chinese are very good at copying and reproducing for very little money!
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: michaelb on February 18, 2018, 10:10
Is there any decent plug-in-and play piggy backs available? You don't have to remap them? My car is fairly standard engine wise with just a K&N air filter and TTE exhaust fitted
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: 1979scotte on February 18, 2018, 10:30
Quote from: michaelb on February 18, 2018, 10:10
Is there any decent plug-in-and play piggy backs available? You don't have to remap them? My car is fairly standard engine wise with just a K&N air filter and TTE exhaust fitted

No.
It wouldn't be worth it anyway IMHO.
Very little power to be made without going forced induction.
People spend thousands to gain 30bhp when a turbo or supercharger will gain you 100.
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: shnazzle on February 18, 2018, 11:01
See all of above.

I've got a piggyback and it's only of any use to satisfy my anal retentiveness to properly support my other minor mods.
Power output Vs expenditure is horrendous.

Go turbo, supercharger or engine swap. Save all your money otherwise for tyres, suspension,bracing and frequent servicing
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: jonbill on February 18, 2018, 14:58
This kind of thing, right? http://m.obd2shop.co.uk/wholesale/nitroobd2-performance-chip-tuning-box-for-benzine-cars.html
I doubt it can do any harm so why not give it a go at that price?
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: michaelb on February 18, 2018, 15:50
So how hard is it to supercharge the engine? What other work needs done for It?
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: 1979scotte on February 18, 2018, 15:55
Have a search around this doesn't need to be covered again in a different thread.
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: shnazzle on February 18, 2018, 16:08
https://youtu.be/_OIO1tJPEy8

Just another chancer putting together a fancy looking chip in a bid to fool people out of their money.

It worked...for them
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: 1979scotte on February 18, 2018, 16:33
Same shite different day.
We all know these little boxes do F all.
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: Call the midlife! on February 18, 2018, 19:45
They work better with one of those little, electric turbo fans in your air intake hose...


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Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: 1979scotte on February 18, 2018, 20:18
Quote from: Call the midlife! on February 18, 2018, 19:45
They work better with one of those little, electric turbo fans in your air intake hose...


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They are awesome dude. :P
They create so much boost its amazing.
Why anyone bothers with a turbo I don't get.
And why are manufacturers installing them at the factory?
It's a conspiracy!
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: shnazzle on February 18, 2018, 20:44
The frustration isn't aimed at you @michaelb (https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=24962) but at yet another one of these magic performance boosters.

Have a gander through the Performance section to see what all can be done.
Or search for things like turbo,rotrex,engine swap,2zz conversion
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: michaelb on February 18, 2018, 20:54
It's ok Shnazzle, I can see when something isn't right, like the nitro thing! I was just curious what people thought! I'm a Doctor of engineering twice so I'm not new to these things! Lol I'm new to cars though, so any advice people have around what can add bhp, I happy to take! I have already read through the other feeds and I'm leaning more towards the 2zz engine instead of a turbo as I like the feel of a NA engine without any lag.
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: Call the midlife! on February 18, 2018, 21:01
Quote from: 1979scotte on February 18, 2018, 20:18
Quote from: Call the midlife! on February 18, 2018, 19:45
They work better with one of those little, electric turbo fans in your air intake hose...


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They are awesome dude. :P
They create so much boost its amazing.
Why anyone bothers with a turbo I don't get.
And why are manufacturers installing them at the factory?
It's a conspiracy!
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Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: Call the midlife! on February 18, 2018, 21:08
Quote from: michaelb on February 18, 2018, 20:54
It's ok Shnazzle, I can see when something isn't right, like the nitro thing! I was just curious what people thought! I'm a Doctor of engineering twice so I'm not new to these things! Lol I'm new to cars though, so any advice people have around what can add bhp, I happy to take! I have already read through the other feeds and I'm leaning more towards the 2zz engine instead of a turbo as I like the feel of a NA engine without any lag.
You're certainly in the right place for reference material, there's a wealth of information and opinion on every combination previously tried. And some groundbreaking pioneers!
Turbo lag aside the 2zz needs it's neck properly wringing to get the performance from it, I've never experienced it but I know many people find it hard work after a while for fast road use.
But each to their own, mine is pretty much standard apart from the basics like panel filter, exhaust manifold and aftermarket cat back and it's plenty powerful enough to get me in trouble on the twisties!


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Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: shnazzle on February 18, 2018, 21:22
Glad you threw in the engineering brag rights actually...
Have a look through my posts and you'll see I'm always desperate for proper scientific/mathematical/engineering/logical backing behind things.

Some call it overthinking...some call it interest :)
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: michaelb on February 19, 2018, 07:22
I suppose I was just trying to point out that I'm not a complete idiot lol

There isn't anything wrong with over thinking when it comes to engineering! You can over think your golf swing however lol
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: m1tch on February 19, 2018, 16:39
I still have my 1zz Power FC standalone ECU with commander and FC HAKO for sale :)
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: shnazzle on February 19, 2018, 16:45
Quote from: m1tch on February 19, 2018, 16:39
I still have my 1zz Power FC standalone ECU with commander and FC HAKO for sale :)

Ah now that's a different story :)
A "chip" or piggyback is one thing but torque can definitely be freed up with a standalone
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: michaelb on February 19, 2018, 19:26
Mitch - I pm'ed you mate
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: 1979scotte on February 19, 2018, 20:58
Quote from: michaelb on February 19, 2018, 19:26
Mitch - I pm'ed you mate

If it's about buying his PFC then don't.
PM trading is against the forum rules.
Sorry that's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: mikek on February 19, 2018, 21:03
Ecumaster group buy anyone?
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: m1tch on February 19, 2018, 21:14
Quote from: 1979scotte on February 19, 2018, 20:58
Quote from: michaelb on February 19, 2018, 19:26
Mitch - I pm'ed you mate

If it's about buying his PFC then don't.
PM trading is against the forum rules.
Sorry that's just the way it is.

I have directed him to the for sale thread to keep everything open.
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: michaelb on February 20, 2018, 09:23
Apologies guys, I wasn't clear on the forum rules, M1tch has kept me right though! Cheers!
Title: Re: Plug in to ecu
Post by: m1tch on February 21, 2018, 07:07
Quote from: michaelb on February 20, 2018, 09:23
Apologies guys, I wasn't clear on the forum rules, M1tch has kept me right though! Cheers!

No worries - you will find that you will need either a piggyback ECU or a standalone to unlock the stock engine's power NA, mainly through better tuning of the VVTi, you should gain around 15-20 bhp with an intake and exhaust mod plus a remap if running the car NA. The good thing about a different ECU is that you can then remap it in future if you wanted to go turbo etc, I went with a PFC as I think its the only ECU that is plug and play and completely replaces the OEM ECU.