2zz in mr2 with corolla tte supercharger

[Star_69]

Hi guys and gals,

I'm new to the forum and stumbled across it in a series of google searches for the Mister 2. Nice to see a UK forum!

Please excuse the lengthy first post!

I've had my 03 facelift since new and was recently thinking of chopping it in for something faster, that was until my engine seized. My own stupid fault and I only have myself to blame but gutted non the less!!  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  

I've decided that it wouldn't be worth replacing the engine then trading it in as I would have basically lost the cost of replacement instantly so I've decided to keep it and put in a  2zz (and matching gearbox to keep it in lift), which will hopefully give me the performance I was considering upgrading to. I've searched the forum and notice Rogue Motorsports offer an install service, which I'm keen on as they seen quite highly regarded.  Has anyone had theirs done from Rogue?

After spending the last few days solidly reading up on toyota tuning I notice that the corolla TTE supercharger kit is available for £1600.  The idea of eventually having the Mister with 215bhp with 100% toyota parts and reliability really appeals! ... with the exception of a typhoon induction kit as it makes the TTE kit whine like my girlfriend.  s:D s:D

Does anyone know if a supercharger would fit in a 2zz mr2 room wise?
Also whether the TTE kit would work on a celica based 2zz and just change the ecu or with a Power FC?

I ask as it will influence the 2zz I purchase for the swap as in the future I'm sure the supercharger would be on the cards once its drivable again!

Many thanks

Brad

[markiii]

I'm pretty sure it will foul the firewall as teh 2zz is a tighter fit than teh 1zz

[Wabbitkilla]

Hello and welcome to the nut-house   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

The 2zz is a great engine, but you will have to rev it to keep it on song.

The Supercharger won't fit unfortunately without major surgery to it or the firewall behind your back.

I'd recommend you have a look at spyderchat for superchargers, and the Carvercharger if you are determined to take that route. Mind you I wouldn't be surprised to see the 2zz give significantly more power than standard with a PFC anyway.

Good luck, and keep us informed how you spend your money.

[kanujunkie]

mind you if your good at metalwork then hacking the firewall to bits isn't an issue, just remember you'll lose some of the storage area though

[Star_69]

Cheers for the quick responses guys. I mentioned to Chloe, my girlfriend, about loosing the storage area and her response was a classic "so where will I put my feet?"  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:  

I think I'll pass on the cutting. Can't be good for the handling! A 2zz with a PFC and induction kit will be the route I'll go down. Looking at the cost of the celica ECU on ebay the PFC is only a little more, so its probably worth getting that.

It'll be a lot quicker than the stock 1zz won't it?

I did look at the carvercharger. Sounds interesting.  Checked CarverSpeed.com and it seems a 2zz mr2 is one of the planned applications! Going to follow that! Thanks for the heads up.

Anyone know how much I should be paying for the celica 2zz 6 speed as a rough guide? The engines are on ebay for about 1200 which have been reconditioned, which doesn't sound bad, but no-ones selling the gearboxes. Will need to call some breakers but wondered what the 'going rate' was. Also I heard somewhere that the jap spec ones had a different ratio, although I might have imagined it?

Many Thanks

Brad

[markiii]

Cheers for the quick responses guys. I mentioned to Chloe, my girlfriend, about loosing the storage area and her response was a classic "so where will I put my feet?"  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:  

either she sits in teh car backwards or I'm missing something?

[Anonymous]

It'll be a lot quicker than the stock 1zz won't it?

Not really. Quicker most definitely, but unless you spend all your time at 6K+ revs you really won't notice any difference. Bear in mind it's also an NA engine, so you won't ever get that insistent shove you get from an FI setup which really does make stuff feel quicker.

If you can, get yourself to a Lotus dealer and take out an Elise S and an Elise R back to back, and then follow that up with a drive of the new supercharged Elise. Ignore the handling and it'll give you a much clearer picture just what the differences are between the setups as they're the same engines used.

[Star_69]

either she sits in the car backwards or I'm missing something?

Whenever we do the Sainsburys run she sits in the passenger seat and I load the bags around her feet in the footwell   s:) s:)

If you can, get yourself to a Lotus dealer and take out an Elise S and an Elise R back to back, and then follow that up with a drive of the new supercharged Elise. Ignore the handling and it'll give you a much clearer picture just what the differences are between the setups as they're the same engines used.

That's a good idea, although I know i'd definately want to supercharge it!   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  The thing that puts me off of the aftermarket FI route (especially turbos) is the memory of my old Escort RS Turbo back in the day. Took it into the garage to get it chipped and they upped the boost etc. Think I had a Kent cam in there too. Was great for a while and loved the smack in the face when it came on song, but after a while I suffered from serious flat spots, idling issues, had to warm it up for 10mins before I drove it etc. It was a pig to drive in the end. I'm not mechanically minded and was forever taking it in to get it sorted, but it was a 10 year old car by the time I got rid of it that had probably seen some abuse in its life.

Obviously things have come along along way since then and its probably not fair to compare a 1zz or 2zz with an old Ford CVH but the thought of blowing a car with an aftermarket kit doesn't appeal. If you love tweeking with it yourself every other sunday, thats cool, but I dont. Thats why I got exited by the idea of a TTE supercharger kit (and/or a plain 2zz swap), as the R&D put into it and Toyotas seal of approval (on the corolla) would probably mean it would drive as it should do for a long time to come without the agro, although the more reading I've been doing on here and on spyderchat make me want to take the plunge, especially in relation to a 2zz carvercharger (when its out!)  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:   .. Either way, the main thing is getting the car drivable again (as its our only car) so I guess a 2zz is a good starting point then if I still had the bug look into going from there.

[Anonymous]

Even with the TTE s/c you've still got a fair bit of work to do, and considering the main issues you had with the Escort was the mapping (or whatever they used back in those days  s;) s;) ), you'll have the same issues with the 2ZZ + TTE kit on as you'll still need the PFC or similar and map for it specifically. Whilst the s/c itself is TTE approved, and it will obviously run fine with the 2ZZ, as they were never designed to be put in an MR2 you're going to have various running issue: What they are I couldn't tell you, but you've got to be prepared for that. Even the TTE turbo mated to a 1ZZ and installed by SP isn't exactly a fit and forget solution, as problems do (and have) occurred.

In short, whatever you do is going to require either some day to day fettling on your part or you'll have to get a garage to do it for you. Whether that's fun for you or not I don't know, but it certainly wasn't for me and that's part of the reason that I never fully enjoyed my time with my turbo'd '2, but that's fully my fault for not going in with my eyes open. Not saying that you're the same, but if you're expecting Toyota levels of reliability on a supercharged 2ZZ in an MR2 you're going to be very disappointed IMHO.

[Anonymous]

You might be able to run the Corolla ECU and the MR2 ECU in parallel, letting the MR2 ECU handle the guages and whatever else the Corolla ECU can't handle.

[markiii]

either she sits in the car backwards or I'm missing something?

Whenever we do the Sainsburys run she sits in the passenger seat and I load the bags around her feet in the footwell   s:) s:)
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still don't see how cutting teh firewall behind her is going to make it a problem for her feet?

[Liz]

I think that she misunderstood what Star meant about the storage area - she thought it meant where her feet go in the car - she didn't think of the area behind!

[Star_69]

Yes, Liz, she got confused!   s:D s:D  

Thanks for your comments guys. I've been thinking about what Dan said and was kind of swayed against the FI route, so I have been looking around breakers for plain 190 2zzs and gearboxes. I was looking at 1250ish for the engine and 350-450 (plus vat!) for the gearbox, and then I found...

a >> COROLLA COMPRESSOR ENGINE AND GEARBOX FOR £1200!!! <<

One of the 250 limited edition cars Toyota produced has found its way to the breakers. Its on an '06 plate and only done 10k miles!! Its basically got the TTE kit fitted at factory. BARGAIN!  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

Have been talking to Matt from Rogue, who thinks it will fit but as Markiii said, there will need to be some modifications. What they are yet, we dont know but Matt thinks looking at the pictures I sent him that it might foul where the hood goes. He can't yet confirm either way, but since the engine is such a steal, I'm going to get it anyway, run it to him so he can further investigate. From a couple of chats with him, its obvious he really knows his stuff and looking at some of their previous projects, I've got a lot of faith!

Costs I have no idea about yet, obviously, but since the engine and gearbox combo is cheaper than expected, I'm now budgeting for the additional labour costs.

The breakers dont have an ECU for it, so that could be the next hurdle.
I read on another forum that the Compressor ECU was just a normal Corolla ECU that has been reflashed by Toyota. Apparently a Toyota dealer can reflash them with various stock configurations and basemaps but obviously are not customizable. Matt mentioned briefly about an aftermarket one (not Power FC), which sounds tad expensive with the full tune etc, but he said it might work out about the same once I've sourced a stock ecu and got it reflashed, but seeing if the engine fits is obviously the main priority and I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

He did say I'd have to wait about 5 - 6 weeks, which is fair enough, as hes busy currently installing a 3.0 V6 into an MR2 for someone. Anyone here?   s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

Will keep you guys posted!

- Brad

[markiii]

should be interestingf brad

I'd stick a PFC on it, or just go the whole hog and have jyndon put a XLEM on it  :-) :-) :-)