My Sable 2005 MR2 - shnazzle

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manos3003

#100
March 1, 2016, 20:52 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Sorry to hear you're letting it go. Maybe if you get in mine after August for a spin you might change your mind  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

As for the other car, I'd go for a diesel (for your torque fix) which is easy to maintain.   s:) :) s:)
I can't recall a day when I drove my MR2 and it didn't put a smile on my face
<strike>2000 Spectra Blue Mica - 2ZZ-GE gone, but not forgotten</strike>
2002 Spectra Blue Mica K20A2 coming up

shnazzle

#101
March 13, 2016, 17:49 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Had all my hopes pinned on these sensors from Dave (cabbydave) .
No go.
I pulled the crankshaft sensor back out to return to Dave and low and behold,what is this I spot on the end? I huge piece of metal shaving.
NICE!

Pulled some oil out from the bottom. Same story.
This engine didn't just have fueling issues. This engined was destroyed.

At this point which plastics were ripped off the bottom of the car, wheel was put back on, and salvaging began.



End of 2zz aspirations. Goodbye please.
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manos3003

#102
March 13, 2016, 20:22 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "shnazzle"Had all my hopes pinned on these sensors from Dave (cabbydave) .
No go.
I pulled the crankshaft sensor back out to return to Dave and low and behold,what is this I spot on the end? I huge piece of metal shaving.
NICE!

Pulled some oil out from the bottom. Same story.
This engine didn't just have fueling issues. This engined was destroyed.

At this point which plastics were ripped off the bottom of the car, wheel was put back on, and salvaging began.



End of 2zz aspirations. Goodbye please.

Not necessarily an end to 2zz aspirations, you just need to find a more suitable donor  s:) :) s:)

Be patient and don't give up!   s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
I can't recall a day when I drove my MR2 and it didn't put a smile on my face
<strike>2000 Spectra Blue Mica - 2ZZ-GE gone, but not forgotten</strike>
2002 Spectra Blue Mica K20A2 coming up

1979scotte

#103
March 13, 2016, 21:40 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Sorry its all gone pete tong however for less than a monkey it was well worth a punt.
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shnazzle

#104
March 13, 2016, 21:46 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I'd rather have had the monkey!
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CrazySX

#105
March 13, 2016, 22:16 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Shame it didn't work out Patrick. What did the previous owner tell you about the car? Sounds like you got unlucky. As you say tho, not bad for the money.  I am sure you can salvage back 300 quid.

Besides, I think your car is destined for forced induction having a nice low mileage engine  s;) ;) s;)  be a waste to put a high revving screamer in it.

manos3003

#106
March 14, 2016, 09:04 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "CrazySX"Shame it didn't work out Patrick. What did the previous owner tell you about the car? Sounds like you got unlucky. As you say though, not bad for the money.  I am sure you can salvage back 300 quid.

Besides, I think your car is destined for forced induction having a nice low mileage engine  s;) ;) s;)  be a waste to put a high revving screamer in it.

Not necessarily.

1. Port the head
2. Get injectors from a 2zz
3. Stick a S/C
4. Map the ECU

Should get at least 170 HP

Simples!  s:D :D s:D
I can't recall a day when I drove my MR2 and it didn't put a smile on my face
<strike>2000 Spectra Blue Mica - 2ZZ-GE gone, but not forgotten</strike>
2002 Spectra Blue Mica K20A2 coming up

shnazzle

#107
March 14, 2016, 09:13 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I'm sure SC is forced induction  s;) ;) s;)  And I'd really hope to see more than 170!
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manos3003

#108
March 14, 2016, 09:15 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "shnazzle"I'm sure SC is forced induction  s;) ;) s;)  And I'd really hope to see more than 170!

S/C is forced induction, but no lag. Torque increase in all rpm.

As for the power figures, I was being a bit conservative. Don't want too many fast cars around me, else I'll have to heavily tune my engine!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I can't recall a day when I drove my MR2 and it didn't put a smile on my face
<strike>2000 Spectra Blue Mica - 2ZZ-GE gone, but not forgotten</strike>
2002 Spectra Blue Mica K20A2 coming up

shnazzle

#109
March 14, 2016, 13:54 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Just to further emphasise the state of this engine.


Lift bolts. Or with the wear on these, "drop bolts" is probably more appropriate.
Remember... 30k miles.





Makes you wonder whether this is bad maintenance or whether "rebuilt by Toyota" is not something to be proud of.
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jeffsimply

#110
March 14, 2016, 14:02 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Could be anything mate, without knowing the history (i.e. being there through its life) then it's anyone's guess right?

shnazzle

#111
March 14, 2016, 14:18 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "jeffsimply"Could be anything mate, without knowing the history (i.e. being there through its life) then it's anyone's guess right?

Yup. I suspect a combination of bad practice at Toyota when the engine was rebuilt and horrible horrible maintenance.
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manos3003

#112
March 14, 2016, 14:31 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "shnazzle"Just to further emphasise the state of this engine.


Lift bolts. Or with the wear on these, "drop bolts" is probably more appropriate.
Remember... 30k miles.





Makes you wonder whether this is bad maintenance or whether "rebuilt by Toyota" is not something to be proud of.

Jeez, look at those lift bolts and cam wipe.   s:scared: :scared: s:scared:   That's just nasty. Good decision not to proceed.

If you ever want to go down the 2zz route, we'll see if we can find you a suitable donor. This clearly wasn't.
I can't recall a day when I drove my MR2 and it didn't put a smile on my face
<strike>2000 Spectra Blue Mica - 2ZZ-GE gone, but not forgotten</strike>
2002 Spectra Blue Mica K20A2 coming up

jonty

#113
March 14, 2016, 18:24 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Been off the forum for ages, just had a read through of your thread as I have a baby consuming all my time and energy, but want to get back to enjoying my mr2... Before you abandon 2zz plans do bear in mind that it absolutely rocks! I don't drive mine anywhere near enough (currently on 6months paternity leave!) but every time I get it warmed up and thrash the limiter through a few gears everything becomes good again!

CrazySX

#114
March 15, 2016, 15:12 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "jonty"Been off the forum for ages, just had a read through of your thread as I have a baby consuming all my time and energy, but want to get back to enjoying my mr2... Before you abandon 2zz plans do bear in mind that it absolutely rocks! I don't drive mine anywhere near enough (currently on 6months paternity leave!) but every time I get it warmed up and thrash the limiter through a few gears everything becomes good again!

I think i need to have a go in one.  How does it compare (if at all) to your 200sx.  I just think the 1zz lacks the low down torque and imagine the 2zz would be worse?

CrazySX

#115
March 15, 2016, 15:14 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "manos3003"
Quote from: "CrazySX"Shame it didn't work out Patrick. What did the previous owner tell you about the car? Sounds like you got unlucky. As you say though, not bad for the money.  I am sure you can salvage back 300 quid.

Besides, I think your car is destined for forced induction having a nice low mileage engine  s;) ;) s;)  be a waste to put a high revving screamer in it.

Not necessarily.

1. Port the head
2. Get injectors from a 2zz
3. Stick a S/C
4. Map the ECU

Should get at least 170 HP

Simples!  s:D :D s:D

Not that simple if you have to take the head off. The rest of the work is the same or similar to installing a turbo.  Depends if you want efficiency or lower down power.   I am going to go T25 now so hopefully get a bit of both, until i can fit an ERS system and get a bigger turbo :p  s8) 8) s8)

Even better turbo charge the 2ZZ  s:) :) s:)   m https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eclSr3bIBiM m

jonty

#116
March 15, 2016, 15:53 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "CrazySX"I think i need to have a go in one.  How does it compare (if at all) to your 200sx.  I just think the 1zz lacks the low down torque and imagine the 2zz would be worse?

It's almost the opposite in driving experience, 200sx has masses of midrange power, but nothing much changes from 5k onwards, whereas the 2zz doesn't do anything until over 6k... It's perfectly OK below this but is just a normal engine in a normal car. Acceleration is about 75% of 200sx, but you have to spank it to do so. I think 2zz is brilliant if you can do it yourself as it's so cost effective this way (if you can cut a piece of steel to make the Mount adapter and weld the exhaust you don't need any conversion parts) but if you are paying someone to do the conversion you're probably just as well off getting a turbo on 1zz since that gives more usable power in the midrange and you don't need to duck about switching diff's.

CrazySX

#117
March 15, 2016, 16:02 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "jonty"
Quote from: "CrazySX"I think i need to have a go in one.  How does it compare (if at all) to your 200sx.  I just think the 1zz lacks the low down torque and imagine the 2zz would be worse?

It's almost the opposite in driving experience, 200sx has masses of midrange power, but nothing much changes from 5k onwards, whereas the 2zz doesn't do anything until over 6k... It's perfectly OK below this but is just a normal engine in a normal car. Acceleration is about 75% of 200sx, but you have to spank it to do so. I think 2zz is brilliant if you can do it yourself as it's so cost effective this way (if you can cut a piece of steel to make the Mount adapter and weld the exhaust you don't need any conversion parts) but if you are paying someone to do the conversion you're probably just as well off getting a turbo on 1zz since that gives more usable power in the midrange and you don't need to duck about switching diff's.

Good to hear your opinion as a fellow 200sx and 2 owner  s:) :) s:)   Just as i thought then, Turbo 1zz it is.  Further down the line if the 1zz fails me, i may replace it with a 2zz and keep the turbo (a bit bigger) and obviously a stronger box etc.  But baby steps  s:D :D s:D

jonty

#118
March 15, 2016, 16:10 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Yeah I think if you want more than the 190 or you want it lower in the range 1zz turbo is the most cost effective. I have rotrex c30-74 on the shelf which should be OK for about 260bhp, but with lower midrange torque (and 2zz red line) so will be better for the gearbox than a similar output for 1zz-t... That's probably the only benefit to the route I've gone tbh!

shnazzle

#119
March 21, 2016, 12:59 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Fitted the K&N panel filter this weekend and it completes what I want to do with the intake.
Not entirely convinced by the cone filters on these cars and frankly the car is loud enough as it is.

More importantly, it seems to have brought it in line with what Dave's (robsonic) car was so the eManage I got off him is very much in its element now.
The markiii pipe made the biggest improvement but the K&N has now almost made it "life-like" at 4k rpm.
The engine now seems to be getting the air flow that it expected based on the emanage map which was mapped to a K&N 57i intake.

That'll be the very last of the "performance" mods for this engine in the state it's in. Wouldn't mind getting it on a dyno to see where it's at. I wouldn't be surprised if it was > 150.
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jeffsimply

#120
March 21, 2016, 13:54 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Nice!

What's the noise like from the K&N?

A bit much or does it seem appropriate?

shnazzle

#121
March 21, 2016, 13:57 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
It's just a panel filter, so there's not more noise. Just a bit more engine grunt as the noise isn't being muffled as much.
Nothing like a cone filter
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jeffsimply

#122
March 21, 2016, 14:47 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Reading fail. Completely missed the "panel filter" bit!

shnazzle

#123
March 27, 2016, 20:24 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Last little bit of visible Toyota badge gone
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CrazySX

#124
March 27, 2016, 22:56 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "shnazzle"Last little bit of visible Toyota badge gone
That's a nice addition is it a stick on jobbie? Does it go over the original or does the original come out?
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