as it says, does anyone have any more info? s:?: :?: s:?:
First/second week of December there should be some... will keep you posted as and when.
I think a few of us will be waiting with baited breath for price & availablity
s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "SilverMSD2"I think a few of us will be waiting with baited breath for price & availablity
s:D :D s:D
yup. affordability. around +40hp. reliability.
please.....
Quote from: "SilverMSD2"I think a few of us will be waiting with baited breath for price & availablity
s:D :D s:D
And whats your guess at the price of fitting a turbo at your dealers... £6k+ ?!? s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Yeah, wouldn't be surprised if the price is many thousands. Boss had a letter from BMW a year or so back offering to bolt on a Super (or was it a Turbo... can't recall), to his 330. The price was circa 9K.
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"And whats your guess at the price of fitting a turbo at your dealers... £6k+ ?!? s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
My guess...or should I say wish for price would be the same as the IS200 supercharger kit.
Quote from: "Tem"My guess...or should I say wish for price would be the same as the IS200 supercharger kit.
which is? (of course, any figure you say us in the UK will have to add 75% onto s:roll: :roll: s:roll: )
I'll be looking around December at maybe going Turbo.
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"Quote from: "Tem"My guess...or should I say wish for price would be the same as the IS200 supercharger kit.
which is? (of course, any figure you say us in the UK will have to add 75% onto s:roll: :roll: s:roll: )
I've seen it go for ~£2500, looks like £3000 is the normal price:
m http://www.tdi-plc.com/is200.html (http://www.tdi-plc.com/is200.html) m
(obviously turbokit has more parts and won't be the same)
£3000 complete - I'm in if it comes in at that. Somehow, I doubt it though.
Quote from: "Jonny Turbo"£3000 complete - I'm in if it comes in at that. Somehow, I doubt it though.
I doubt that too... remember it will have "Toyota" on it somewhere, which automaticly puts the price up! s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"I doubt that too... remember it will have "Toyota" on it somewhere, which automaticly puts the price up! s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Hmmmm...that superchargerkit I mention is from TTE, just like the turbokit. Just for different cars. I don't see any reason why either would have more or less "Toyota" on it s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Oh and just for the record. That kit is 10.600 euros through Toyota (over here). Thank God you don't have to buy TTE parts from Toyota.
Is it worth a few of us putting together a letter of genuine interest to TTE?
OK, maybe I'm dreaming for a price of < £ 3k for a Toyota approved system.
But I'd almost definately buy it at that.
I'm not even that bothered about w'ty as that will be finished in oct 2004. What I want is a defacto upgrade that means you can sell the car on and people know what they're buying.
Only downside I can see is that I've ordered a Boxster for 2005, and that may just be a disappointment after a 200hp 1000kg car?
Quote from: "Jonny Turbo"Is it worth a few of us putting together a letter of genuine interest to TTE?
Nope, it's out of TTE's hands - it's upto the big chiefs over in Japan to make a decision.
Quote from: "Jonny Turbo"OK, maybe I'm dreaming for a price of < £ 3k for a Toyota approved system.
Like I said...there are more parts in a turbokit than the SC-kit. I'd be very surprised if it was under £3000...
My biggest fear is do I trust a local Toyota dealer to install a turbo s:?: :?: s:?:
I'd prefer Toyota to train 5 top dealers nationwide & make sure they do a proper job s:!: :!: s:!:
But as everyone has also added.....price is the major factor....I'm guessing at a £4000 to £5000 price tag.
Quote from: "SilverMSD2"My biggest fear is do I trust a local Toyota dealer to install a turbo s:?: :?: s:?:
THis is what i was thinking too... surely you would need things like a rolling road to set the car up properly.. i know my dealer aint got one of these! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
installing it should be no big deal.
Tuning it is the art.
Where I do it, I'd install myself and then go to somewhere good to tune it.
save a fortune in labour as well.
Quote from: "markiii"Where I do it, I'd install myself and then go to somewhere good to tune it.
yeah, but for us mear mortals that are not gods when it comes to the mr2....! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
It should come with instructions, spend a couple of hundred on a good socket set and the workshop manuals.
Now all you need is patience. It's only a matter of undoing bolts replacing parts (ok theres some additional piping) and putting bolts back in. It's not particluarly technical and you certianly don't need to know a lot about engines or turbos. Just take your time and be thorough.
If you can do Ikea furniture it should be a sinch.
I'd probably get the piggyback installed if it had one, as theres the chance of stuffing up there, but everything else shouldn't be that hard.
Quote from: "markiii"If you can do Ikea furniture it should be a sinch.
Someone can actually put those together? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I would assume the piggyback (or whatever the final product will have) is pre-programmed, so all you have to do, is to plug it in. Just like the stock ECU is preprogrammed.
Obviously it will be on the safe side and you can get easy extra horses by reprogramming it sepcifically to your car. Just like you can better the stock ECU.
Personally I wish there's a chance to get it without the piggyback and get Apexi Power FC instead.
Quote from: "markiii"Where I do it, I'd install myself and then go to somewhere good to tune it.
Would it not invalidate your warranty? After all, that's the main reason for going for the TTE one.
Quote from: "Tem"Personally I wish there's a chance to get it without the piggyback and get Apexi Power FC instead.
I wouldn't ever bother with a PFC. There isn't any support for it, no software that you can either get your hands on nor, even if you did, understand. There are *far* better standalone ECUs out there.
Quote from: "mph"I wouldn't ever bother with a PFC. There isn't any support for it, no software that you can either get your hands on nor, even if you did, understand. There are *far* better standalone ECUs out there.
I've seen it in a friends Hon...car-whose-name-shall-not-be-mentioned-here and I like it s:) :) s:) I don't need any support for it, I can tune it myself...obviously only on a dyno and with a guy who knows what he's doing, but just meant I don't need any expert to change the values on PFC.
There are better options, but AFAIK none that just plug into existing harness without any cutting/soldering..?
Btw, have you checked the FC-DataLogit project?
m http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/ (http://www.fc-datalogit.co.nz/) m
I believe the 1ZZ-FE version is just about to come out (if it isn't already):
m http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=6137 (http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=6137) m
Quote from: "Emmanuel"Quote from: "markiii"Where I do it, I'd install myself and then go to somewhere good to tune it.
Would it not invalidate your warranty? After all, that's the main reason for going for the TTE one.
An interesting point.
Let Toyota install it, know they'll stuff it up, but cover the mess by warranty.
Or do it myself with no warranty?
Whilst I take your point it's going to have to be very cheap to begin with, if the cost of main dealer labour isn't going to make it the most expensive option on the market.
With the greatest respect to what Martin has acheived, I have an idea what he's spent to date, and with fitting by a main dealer I wouldn't expect the TTE to be much cheaper. If I'm going to spend that kind of money I'd be tempted o change the car s:-( :-( s:-(
yeah, this is the problem. The price point has to be such that I don't say to myself, "sod that, I'll trade up to a [boxster/elise/etc....]".
Quote from: "markiii"Let Toyota install it, know they'll stuff it up, but cover the mess by warranty.
Or do it myself with no warranty?
At least over here the TTE supercharger for IS200 doesn't affect cars warranty if installed by dealer. If you install it yourself, the warranty of the car expires (not fully, but for the engine and transmission and so on).
But the kit itself has a years warranty, even if you install it yourself. So if your Roadster is already out of warranty, like the first already are, it makes no difference if you install it yourself or have the dealer install it.
(assuming this kit will go by the same rules, if it ever comes out)
Quote from: "Tem"I don't need any support for it, I can tune it myself...obviously only on a dyno and with a guy who knows what he's doing, but just meant I don't need any expert to change the values on PFC.
Yes you do need support. Sure you might have the little handheld thing, but without the full laptop software to see the spreadsheets, create the mappings across the different parameter sets etc etc, you're really severely hampered. Neither are there any guys over in Europe that really know how this box runs and more importantly what quirks it has. As for not plug and play - having to splice a few wires in the scheme of things this doesn't even register.
Quote from: "mph"Sure you might have the little handheld thing, but without the full laptop software to see the spreadsheets, create the mappings across the different parameter sets etc etc, you're really severely hampered.
Well...obviously that would be the easiest way. And I believe the Datalogit does just that. Please don't ignore this great piece of software s;) ;) s;)
Anyway, since the dyno software already produces those charts, I really don't see the need for getting the same values to laptop. Maybe I'm just missing some point here...
Quote from: "mph"As for not plug and play - having to splice a few wires in the scheme of things this doesn't even register.
It's a huge bonus for me, if I can do something and then return it to the 100% stock state if I want to. It's a matter of personal opinion I guess.
Quote from: "markiii":lol: s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
It should come with instructions, spend a couple of hundred on a good socket set and the workshop manuals.
Now all you need is patience. It's only a matter of undoing bolts replacing parts (ok theres some additional piping) and putting bolts back in. It's not particluarly technical and you certianly don't need to know a lot about engines or turbos. Just take your time and be thorough.
If you can do Ikea furniture it should be a sinch.
I'd probably get the piggyback installed if it had one, as theres the chance of stuffing up there, but everything else shouldn't be that hard.
I agree.If anyone has changed their exhaust and header themselves before then they can INSTALL the turbo themselves.It is really simple, took me 3hours total, on my own, but i had a pre-modded sump which saved about an hour.
Tuning it is the specialists job, and finding the specialists in this country is a nightmare.How many Toyota dealers have rolling roads so they'll be able to tune then turbo after install??? s:roll: :roll: s:roll: My e-manage came pre-programmed and the only place i have found in the country is in Manchester that have experience with it.
They'll probably release this turbo package with 4.5psi, a pre set piggy back system that is tuned on the conservative side so it will work "well" on all '2s with no tuning with a plug in harness,or no piggyback ecu at all as at that low a pressure the stock ecu is said to be able to compensate enough!,install it in 1 day,charge £4k+ and with only 30-40bhp increase,will leave you wanting more. s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Don't know how many are thinking more about warranty or that TTE are going to release a better system than what's presently available but the PE can be bought for less than 3k, you can choose your own piggyback system that your nearest garage can confidently tune,and as Martin did with Millway, work together to make it all work.
Worth waiting though to see what they do release, then make your minds up then.
c'mon, Lay the cards down, turbo-guys.
How much have your custom systems cost you?
I bought MonkeyWrenchs used turbo. This saved me some money.The e-manage was pre-programmed by them and i also bought the profec e-01, which costs about £400,this isn't really needed so shouldn't be included in a price for a starter kit.It cost £2900 for everything including shipping for mine.There is import duty to pay but there are ways around it being alot.
I installed everthing myself, so no cost there.Car is running fine at 6.5psi MWR pre-programming is great but as expected to be cautious they tuned it to run rich on boost and retarded the timing.
Total as it is £2900 s:o :o s:o
List of other bits waiting to go on before it's properly tuned.
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"I bought MonkeyWrenchs used turbo. This saved me some money.The e-manage was pre-programmed by them and i also bought the profec e-01, which costs about £400,this isn't really needed so shouldn't be included in a price for a starter kit.It cost £2900 for everything including shipping for mine.There is import duty to pay but there are ways around it being alot.
I installed everthing myself, so no cost there.Car is running fine at 6.5psi MWR pre-programming is great but as expected to be cautious they tuned it to run rich on boost and retarded the timing.
Total as it is £2900 s:o :o s:o
List of other bits waiting to go on before it's properly tuned.
Hey mr-s turbo,
If you don't mind, could you post up your e-manage settings that MWR had on your e-manage @ 6.5 psi? Thanks.
What about running costs?
143 i will PM them to you.Won't be till weekend, if thats ok.
Running costs so far are not more than standard.Using more fuel obviously and i've changed the oil/filter twice since install just incase.But apart from that you wouldn't know it was there. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"But apart from that you wouldn't know it was there. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I think you need to raise the boost then s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"143 i will PM them to you.Won't be till weekend, if thats ok.
That'd be great, thanks! s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Tem"I think you need to raise the boost then s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Perhaps Victor could shed more light on this turbo:
http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=6319
Quote from: "Jonny Turbo"Perhaps Victor could shed more light on this turbo:
http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=6319
I havent been following this topic. I guess the Turbo would be too expensive for me s:( :( s:( However, I took a quick look at the Lampka website, which at the moment is being re-designed and there isnt mush there other than a statement they design turbos for the MR2 W30 and can provide more info on request.
Maybe someone wants to drop them a request.
Quote from: "victor"Quote from: "Jonny Turbo"Perhaps Victor could shed more light on this turbo:
http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=6319
I havent been following this topic. I guess the Turbo would be too expensive for me s:( :( s:( However, I took a quick look at the Lampka website, which at the moment is being re-designed and there isnt mush there other than a statement they design turbos for the MR2 W30 and can provide more info on request.
Maybe someone wants to drop them a request.
Sorry Victor, I guess just because you live there....etc..etc.
I'll drop a line.
There's quite a bit of info on the german Roadster-board about the lampka turbokit. Starting from early development times. Lots of interesting reading...even though my german sucks and I had to live with Altavistas translations.
Sorry, don't have the url on this computer...anyone else?
Thing is this is gonna be another turbo using a piggy back system that will cost about the same as the rest, everone will wait till somone has tried it before even considering it, invalidate toyota warranty still.The PE kit is available now, used by many, available as a base kit for <3k. What more from a turbo system do you want that the others don't offer (apart from TTE's possibly not affecting warranty)?
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"What more from a turbo system do you want that the others don't offer (apart from TTE's possibly not affecting warranty)?
Personally, I want it to be smog-legal. Otherwise I can't install it legally. And I don't wanna do it illegally, cause if something happens, all sh*t will break loose. If Toyota ever offers TTE turbokit, it will be smog-legal.
More info on the Lampka turbo at SC....
http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=6319&highlight=
it was me who was at lamka and made a test drive on the car (passenger seat s:? :? s:? )
I will probably buy one kit from lampka if tte doesn't release one.
The setup looks very good and expensive, but don't forget that the prices they are giving is including install and tuning.
Quote from: "MadMigMR2"it was me who was at lamka and made a test drive on the car (passenger seat s:? :? s:? )
I will probably buy one kit from lampka if tte doesn't release one.
The setup looks very good and expensive, but don't forget that the prices they are giving is including install and tuning.
Yes , I saw your report on SC, and that prompted one of my replies on this thread. Do you have any more information, like do Lampka look like a quality organisation? And, can you remind us of the prices.
BTW, what's the latest on the Apexi turbo? this all seems to have been updated: http://www.takakaira.co.jp/asp/template.asp?cat=2&id=877&prodID=FGgCdDd_a@b^eA`
Quote from: "Jonny Turbo"Do you have any more information, like do Lampka look like a quality organisation? And, can you remind us of the prices.
I wonder if you can call them a "quality organisation" when they clearly copy TRD s:roll: :roll: s:roll: Their products might be good though.
The thread on SC had prices. $4000 without install and tune, about $6000 with them.
Quote from: "Jonny Turbo"BTW, what's the latest on the Apexi turbo?
The same as always. It's available from Japan, but probably won't ever be officially available in US/EU.
Quote from: "Tem"I wonder if you can call them a "quality organisation" when they clearly copy TRD s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I agree with you, ..........and copies from Cusco too.
When the Turbo get the TÜV ( german Technics org.) the emission should pass the Euro 3 Norm, so therefore legal for mount.
I don't have the time or the energy to build a custom turbo this time around even with the help I had last time, hell I don't even have the room anymore. I think i'll be going with a PE Turbo and getting someone I know to fit and tuuuune it for me. It will mean a drive upto LPool but the drive home will be soooo much fun. s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
just got this from a swiss SC poster:
QuoteLast News
today TTE send email to the german forum that they will start with the Turbo in mid 04, the car can be viewed at the Essen Motorshow in Dez 03, at the moment no price and more technical data/facts
Quote from: "Jonny Turbo"just got this from a swiss SC poster: QuoteLast News
today TTE send email to the german forum that they will start with the Turbo in mid 04, the car can be viewed at the Essen Motorshow in Dez 03, at the moment no price and more technical data/facts
Oh my God, I'm having a deja vous...
I have lost count of how many times I've heard a similar story.
Jeez another year till it's available. s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Quote from: "Emmanuel"Oh my God, I'm having a deja vous...
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an "already me"? what did I say last time?
Quote from: "Jonny Turbo"Quote from: "Emmanuel"Oh my God, I'm having a deja vous...
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an "already me"? what did I say last time?
Alright alright, my French is not as good as my errr... Greek...
Deja vu it is.
I spoke with TTE directly on Tuesday as part of continuing discussions to form a better relationship between us (the club) and Toyota.
As previously mentioned, the TTE turbo is complete, barring a further modification requests from Toyota Japan. It will be on the display stand at the Essen Motorshow. Although I haven't been officially told, I take this as a sign that Toyota will be releasing it as it'll be appearing on the 'TTE car' rather than the two concept cars that will be shown - as yet, there is no offical word that Toyota would sanction the TTE turbo for general release.
Further to my last post, TTE (aka Toyota-F1) has invited MR2-ROC for meetings during the first weekend of the Essen Motorshow, Germany.
On the agenda is:
- How to further relations, for example, improve communication and dissemination of (potential) product information.
- Collaboration for JAE 2004.
- TTE Turbo.
Quote from: "mph"Further to my last post, TTE (aka Toyota-F1) has invited MR2-ROC for meetings during the first weekend of the Essen Motorshow, Germany.
On the agenda is:
- How to further relations, for example, improve communication and dissemination of (potential) product information.
- Collaboration for JAE 2004.
- TTE Turbo.
Wow, this really is going somewhere. Good news, Martin s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "mph"Further to my last post, TTE (aka Toyota-F1) has invited MR2-ROC for meetings during the first weekend of the Essen Motorshow, Germany.
...what, all of us? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Seriously, interesting news - how about
they offer a special price to early adopters?
After the run in Martin's car (thanks !) I'm keen to know how much and how much. Or do you think that the rumour that it won't be offered to pre-revision roadsters is true?
I would be up to going over for that and pre-ordering one of them babies s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "mph"Further to my last post, TTE (aka Toyota-F1) has invited MR2-ROC for meetings during the first weekend of the Essen Motorshow, Germany.
So whos going to the motor show then? How are you getting there etc...?
good stuff... hopefully TTE turbo will come one day s;-) ;-) s;-)
I am glad they are being interested in what community has to say - and MR2 is definetly a car that deserves more support since it has such a big community of people that will also buy other toyota's in the future
here's a reply from tte to an email that i sent to them asking for the turbo
QuoteWe will show a Toyota MR2 1,8 l Turbo with 200 PS (147 kW) and 250Nm at the Essen Motorshow.
There is no introduction date so far and no price.
We grant a three year warranty for all our parts and all consequential damages.
cant wait for Essen show... will not be able to attend, but i hope that many people from mr2 community will - strong showing might tip the balances toward production of tte turbo.
Quote from: "spwolf"strong showing might tip the balances toward production of tte turbo
That reminds me...wasn't there a poll about ROC members interest towards TTE turbokit..? I remember answering one for sure and thought it was on Yahoo list, but there are no polls (anymore?).
I wonder if it would be a good idea to make a poll in this new forum..?
I don't think a poll is necessary. The majority of the work is complete for the TTE turbo all that's left to remain is their long term testing in order to them to back the three year warrantee that will come with it. There is no question that TTE are keen for this to be sold, and the sooner the better. Further, there's no question that there's significant consumer interest in the product so personally I only rate is this as a matter of time before it gets the go-ahead from Toyota (Japan).
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"Quote from: "mph"Further to my last post, TTE (aka Toyota-F1) has invited MR2-ROC for meetings during the first weekend of the Essen Motorshow, Germany.
So whos going to the motor show then? How are you getting there etc...?
Ditto. Is someone going to draw up a list of interested individuals so we can put something together s:?: :?: s:?:
Quote from: "heathstimpson"Ditto. Is someone going to draw up a list of interested individuals so we can put something together s:?: :?: s:?:
Nope. I think its a case that if you want to go to the show then you can make your own way - a list of people talking to TTE has probably already been decided.
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"Quote from: "heathstimpson"Ditto. Is someone going to draw up a list of interested individuals so we can put something together s:?: :?: s:?:
Nope. I think its a case that if you want to go to the show then you can make your own way - a list of people talking to TTE has probably already been decided.
Indeed there has - at the risk of this sounding like a comittee roll-call, those attending are :-
Martin Holden (as the 1st SMT Turbo in the UK and the main reason TTE invited us)
Adam Field
Mark Jones
Myself
We are heading over to Essen the last weekend in November (driving - I just hope Toyota get their act together with my car by then s:evil: :evil: s:evil: )
We will post loads of details when we return.
Quote from: "SteveJ"Martin Holden (as the 1st SMT Turbo in the UK and the main reason TTE invited us)
Adam Field
Mark Jones
Myself
We are heading over to Essen the last weekend in November (driving - I just hope Toyota get their act together with my car by then s:evil: :evil: s:evil: )
4 in an MR2, that should be interesting!
I was planning to go on 3rd or 4th Dec. I cant go over the weekend due to my Shift. As to how I get there depends on the weather.
i will probably go also, but i'm not sure yet.
I will probably go also on the first days of december.
Victor maybee this time whe will meet finnally.
whe could meet near stuttgart and then go both to Essen.
What about you Uk guys?? Are you going on the weekend??
I will be working till 28 November.
Even if i go on Saturday, i will only be in Essen on Sunday (it's at least a 24hour ride to Essen, from Portugal)
I may make it as well. I fly back from Alicante on the Sunday so may try and make a detour home s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
bump
any news?
Quote from: "spwolf"bump
any news?
Give us chance - we don't meet with TTE until Saturday 29/11
np, just checking... make sure you take lots of pics please for all of us that wont come to the Essen show...
opens today s8) 8) s8)
I can't go there s:( :( s:( so i'm waiting news from you guys!!
And good news, i only want good news s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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