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The Workshop => Performance Related => Topic started by: MadMigMR2 on November 30, 2003, 20:26

Title: Toyota MR2 TURBO in Essen Motorshow 2003
Post by: MadMigMR2 on November 30, 2003, 20:26
Found this 2 pictures:



(http://www.auto-news.de/webcore/data/content/Auto_Article_EXT/11471_1070030531196.jpg)

(http://www.auto-news.de/webcore/data/content/Auto_Article_EXT/11471_1070030619957.jpg)

The kit is very similar to the one tte showed last year with a v6 3000cc engine.

No pics from the engine compartment or specs   s:cry: :cry: s:cry:  

Source:
http://www.auto-news.de/auto/news/anzeige.jsp?id=11295
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Post by: Slacey on November 30, 2003, 20:33
Just to point out, this is TTE's work   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2003, 22:03
damn, put my name down for one of them!   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
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Post by: Anonymous on November 30, 2003, 22:23
Droooooool
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Post by: Tem on November 30, 2003, 23:44
I'm not into the kit...but where's the info about the turbo?  s8) 8) s8)
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 00:42
Hi,

just to point out - there are no TTE marks anywhere on the car, and wheels are definetly not TTE design either, it might be some Toyota tuner as well.

What i picked up from ze german forums is that TTE had a silver turbo mr2 on the show... here is the info:

"Achievement: 180-200 HP
Torque: 230-250 Nm
0-100: 6-7 sec.
Vmax: 230 km/h
Consumption: 10-15% more highly and super PLUS!
Price: 4000-4500 Eur inclusive. Installation and TUEV with TTE in Cologne (1 day, for German MR2 not with dealer possible, but only with TTE)."

If TTE builds an turbo + intercooler, for 4,500 E or less, I would get it right away, it would be fairly inexpensive...count in ACT street clutch for 400E and thats all you need (although I would try not to part with stock clutch, I love it)
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 00:44
p.s. mph could have brought a laptop and gprs cell with him so he can post info while traveling... jesus mph, what were you thinking!  s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s8) 8) s8)
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Post by: Slacey on December 1, 2003, 08:28
From what I can glean from other sources, the red '2 above IS a TTE built car albeit a concept; they also had a production silver '2 to promote the turbo, as pointed out above.
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Post by: Tem on December 1, 2003, 08:41
Quote from: "spwolf"Price: 4000-4500 Eur inclusive. Installation and TUEV with TTE in Cologne (1 day, for German MR2 not with dealer possible, but only with TTE).

What does that inclusive mean...? The price includes VAT..or the installation? Probably the first, just making sure.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 09:18
My understanding of the discussions with TTE earlier in the year (and this should all be confirmed once Martin et al get back) is that TTE have developed the turbo kit *for* Toyota, and it's currently undergoing approval by Toyota in Japan.

As such, TTE can probably in the meantime promote the kit as theirs (ie with a price tag, even if it's not yet available) - once the Japanese are happy, it will become the official Toyota kit (probably with a differerent price tag  s:x :x s:x   ). ie one and the same.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 12:14
Hi,

When mph comes back we will know more, but do understand that in Europe TTE will set pricing on its kits together with Toyota and the pricing will be the same, thats the way it works no matter if turbo kit becomes a part of Toyota accessories catalogue or not.

As to my post, thats just translated from German, I dont have exact info either...
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 13:11
Quote from: "spwolf"understand that in Europe TTE will set pricing on its kits together with Toyota and the pricing will be the same, thats the way it works no matter if turbo kit becomes a part of Toyota accessories catalogue or not.

If/when the kit becomes Toyota-approved, I would expect that there will no longer be a TTE kit; it will simply become the official Toyota kit, available only from Toyota, at Toyota-determined pricing. TTE will have simply developed it, and "sold" it to Toyota (given that TTE is of course a Toyota division anyway), in much the same way as the current "Toyota Sports Accessories".
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 13:25
but im guessing that the turbo kit will only be the turbo part (if that makes sence!) as in you wont get those lovely body hugging seats as in the photo above, you will simply get the hardware....   s:( :( s:(
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 13:44
Quote from: "krisclarkuk"you wont get those lovely body hugging seats as in the photo above

Them are the bits I like the look of the most.  Lovely seats.
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Post by: GSB on December 1, 2003, 13:56
Looking at the photos above I cant help but notice the vastly increased size of the side air intakes, not only that but they are now proper scoops. Compare this with the ugly scoops they had to add to the VX220 turbo to cope with the cooling demands, and I have to wonder if the bodykit will need to be a compulsory addition to the package?
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Post by: filcee on December 1, 2003, 14:03
Quote from: "GSB"Looking at the photos above I cant help but notice the vastly increased size of the side air intakes, not only that but they are now proper scoops. Compare this with the ugly scoops they had to add to the VX220 turbo to cope with the cooling demands, and I have to wonder if the bodykit will need to be a compulsory addition to the package?

I think you have a point there ... which would make this 'upgrade' expensive I think.

FWIW I don't like it - it looks more like an MGF than an MR2, and now it looks 'heavy'.   For me, that defeats the point of a lightwight mid-emgined car.  If it's light, I think it's supposed to look light.

I do like the seats though - they don't have an annoying hole behind your neck   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 18:29
Quote from: "pmdye"
Quote from: "spwolf"understand that in Europe TTE will set pricing on its kits together with Toyota and the pricing will be the same, thats the way it works no matter if turbo kit becomes a part of Toyota accessories catalogue or not.

If/when the kit becomes Toyota-approved, I would expect that there will no longer be a TTE kit; it will simply become the official Toyota kit, available only from Toyota, at Toyota-determined pricing. TTE will have simply developed it, and "sold" it to Toyota (given that TTE is of course a Toyota division anyway), in much the same way as the current "Toyota Sports Accessories".

Nope... as I said previously, it will be the same... it is still the TTE kit, no matter what. TTE distributes its products through Toyota dealers anyway, so when it gets included into accessories catalogue, it might get a toyota part number, but pricing is still the same. (keep in mind that you never ever can buy anything from TTE itself, only though T dealer that sells TTE). I tend to know few inner workings since I am a T dealer  s;-) ;-) s;-) .
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Post by: markiii on December 1, 2003, 19:32
Guys,

We just got back from Essen tonight after some very interesting talks with TTE or Toyota Motorsport Germany as it is now officially known.

Martin will be posting a full report soon along with the pics (once I've sent them over). Not wishing to preempt that too much but I can say that it was well worth the trip and the car in the pic is the test prototype that has been used for the last 2 years or so. Although it looks 03, it's just been facelifted. As such while the body may be available, it WON'T be compulsory.

Mark.
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Post by: SteveJ on December 1, 2003, 19:48
Quote from: "spwolf"(keep in mind that you never ever can buy anything from TTE itself, only though T dealer that sells TTE). I tend to know few inner workings since I am a T dealer  s;-) ;-) s;-) .

Following our trip to Essen, Germany to meet TTE / TMS, we can report that the entire TTE range (and TRD range for that matter) will be available directly from TTE for club members.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN WE CAN SEND REQUESTS AD-HOC TO TTE FOR PARTS - ALL ORDERS WILL BE ARRANGED THROUGH THE CLUB AND NO OTHER ORDERS WILL BE ENTERTAINED. ALSO IN ORDER TO KEEP COSTS TO A MINIMUM THESE ORDERS WILL BE IN THE FORM OF A GROUP BUY ONLY

Further information will follow once we have digested all of our notes from this weekends meetings
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Post by: Sam on December 1, 2003, 20:59
Wow!   s:D :D s:D   Thats great news Steve - looking forward to hearing full details!
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 21:01
Now that is an interesting development.
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Post by: aaronjb on December 1, 2003, 21:01
Aye - I'll second that;

<Mr_Burns_Mode> Eeeexcellent.... </Mr_Burns_Mode>
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Post by: MadMigMR2 on December 1, 2003, 21:10
 s:cry: :cry: s:cry:  Why i didn't go, Why???   s:cry: :cry: s:cry:  

I'm the president of MR2 Club Portugal.

I see that whe will have to get some deal together if i can't get the same directly from tte


TRD parts are almost impossible to get here in Portugal

Only buying on the net.
You must have seen the face of some toyota workers when i got on their shop with a box with my trd header and trd air filter   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:     s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

They couldn't get those for me, but i found a way to get them (internet)
The problem is that way the parts were much more expensive


I'm anscious for that news and photos!!!!

I need a turbooooooo   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:  
That's the perfect friend for my MR2 gt300.
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Post by: markiii on December 1, 2003, 21:16
With regard to the TRD parts, it would seem there is to be a co-operative arrangement beween TRD Japan, TRD USA and TTE such that each will be able to distribute each others parts in their respective markets.

We managed to see under the lid of the red Turbo and it was fitted with a TRD rear strut brace!
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 21:18
Quote from: "MadMigMR2":cry: Why i didn't go, Why???   s:cry: :cry: s:cry:  

I'm the president of MR2 Club Portugal.

I see that whe will have to get some deal together if i can't get the same directly from tte
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Theres still time. The show runs till the 3rd I think. Fly to Essen or Frankfart and take the train/taxi.
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Post by: MadMigMR2 on December 1, 2003, 21:38
I don't know yet if i will go or not.
It all depends on some things i have to do this week.


Me and my wife (whe work together on the same company) quit the jobs whe had.
Last week was our final week on the job.
Whe were thinking on going work to outside Portugal, Germany or Spain maybee or creating our own business here in Portugal.
Well but that doesn't matter now.
What it matters is the TURBOOOOO   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:  

I have all the time to go to essen. And i will probably go, it's just a matter off solve some things and maybee on the end of this week i will go.


WHERE ARE THOSE PICTURES!!!
Do you need a host for te pictures   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  I can hosted right now!!   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

Well i will keep doing F5 to this page  until they show up  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:     s:lol: :lol: s:lol:     s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 1, 2003, 23:24
thats great news Steve... I am glad TMS is recognizing how important this market is, and we can see the trend in the USA as well, we are the best ambasadors for T... cant wait for the write up.
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Post by: Anonymous on December 3, 2003, 00:43
<-- developing a nervous tick while waiting for news...   s:idea: :idea: s:idea:
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Post by: Tem on December 3, 2003, 07:05
Quote from: "spwolf"<-- developing a nervous tick while waiting for news...  

If I don't hear any news today, I'm gonna run up the walls  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

Here's someones opinion on TTE kit from SC  s:? :? s:?  
"Someone on the german forum (who used to work for BMW's M) says the turbo is badly designed (he even expects toyota who has it for review won't approve it). I believe he even sent pictures to his former colleagues who had severe comments on it too.

He is MUCH more positive over the Lampka design, he even placed an order there (but Lampka won't do installs on older engines because there seems to be a problem with those?)."

Please prove him wrong and give us the dman info  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: mph on December 3, 2003, 07:40
I managed a first draft yesterday (approx 1800 words) but there's still a stuff missing from it. Writing reports isn't really my strong point - however I expect to get a final draft by tonight and then proofed, formatted & uploaded by no later than tomorrow evening (depending upon the other attendees). Sorry for the wait, I am putting as much time as I can spare on this!
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Post by: Tem on December 3, 2003, 07:49
Quote from: "mph"Sorry for the wait, I am putting as much time as I can spare on this!

Don't be sorry! I'm sure you're not making us wait for the fun of it...(you better not!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  ). It's just killing me to know not knowing what others know, you know?  s8) 8) s8)
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Post by: Anonymous on December 3, 2003, 14:30
Quote from: "mph"I managed a first draft yesterday (approx 1800 words) but there's still a stuff missing from it. Writing reports isn't really my strong point - however I expect to get a final draft by tonight and then proofed, formatted & uploaded by no later than tomorrow evening (depending upon the other attendees). Sorry for the wait, I am putting as much time as I can spare on this!

Bloody hell Martin, you do like to do things properly!

Now, what's this about a group buy on TTE turbos?
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Post by: Anonymous on December 3, 2003, 16:37
not to be pesky, but few lines of information for those of us that are hungry for it would help... while full writeup will be unbelievably cool, few lines will suffice (will they build it, how much $, how much hp,nm,when!)
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Post by: mph on December 3, 2003, 17:40
Quote from: "spwolf"not to be pesky, but few lines of information for those of us that are hungry for it would help... while full writeup will be unbelievably cool, few lines will suffice (will they build it, how much $, how much hp,nm,when!)
Excited? You should be!

I refuse to give out a half baked report - for two days off work and 950mile round trip you deserve nothing less.

Now stop pestering so I can get back to finishing it!   s:) :) s:)
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Post by: markiii on December 3, 2003, 17:57
absolutely.

You'll appreciate it when you see it.
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Post by: MadMigMR2 on December 3, 2003, 19:58
I read that post on spyderchat also and that is something that didn't surprised me.

Last Summer in August i visited Lampka Motorsport and saw and made a test drive in his mr2 turbo prototype.

The engineer responsible for the prototype told me that he was on tte for 2 weeks and sae the tte prototype and told me that it was very bad designed and the intercooler setup was not enough to cool the air and in wet conditions the car will start to heat.

I live in Portugal and the climate here is very good, wich means wet and very wet conditions maybee 8 months a year or more.

I wouldn't go for a kit that will overheat for sure in this conditions.

Germany and other european countrys have very low temperatures compared to Portugal, so that setup wouldn't be good for my country.   s:cry: :cry: s:cry:  

I would love to have a TTE turbo kit (with factory warranty) but if then i will only manage to use it 4 months in a year (in the winter) NO THANKS!!


Now please prove that i'm wrong and that german guy is wrong also and i will order a TTE Turbo tomorrow   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 3, 2003, 20:44
Hell of an anxious wait for info but judging by Martins other write ups....it will be more than worth the wait & very informative. You take your time & get it right matey      s:D :D s:D
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Post by: Anonymous on December 3, 2003, 20:53
heh, now even more excited  s;-) ;-) s;-)

just take your time...
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Post by: Anonymous on December 3, 2003, 21:02
in the famous words of Monty Python....

"GET ON WITH IT!"   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Anonymous on December 4, 2003, 00:08
Hi guys !

I'm "Curve" (one of the Forum-Mods of german mr2w3-forum).

One of our members took some pictures form the TTE Turbo:

Klick 1 (http://www.moebel-krause.de/mr2/sonstigebilder/turbo1.jpg)

Klick 2 (http://www.moebel-krause.de/mr2/sonstigebilder/turbo2.jpg)

Klick 3 (http://www.moebel-krause.de/mr2/sonstigebilder/turbo3.jpg)

Klick 4 (http://www.moebel-krause.de/mr2/sonstigebilder/turbo4.jpg)

Enjoy it.

WE go on Sunday to Essen!

Greetz,
Frank
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Post by: MRMike on December 4, 2003, 00:17
wow looks remarkably compact..and very well sorted.  Although the addition of the cooling fan makes me think the enhanced side intakes of the red car more of a neccesity than aesthetic as someone pointed out in another post.  Curve do you know if this car has the bodykit on as well? It could be the cooling fan is necessary without the bodykit..either way i love those TTE Turbo badges! Looking forward to the low down!
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Post by: mph on December 4, 2003, 00:32
The report is complete will be posted on the front page in the morning as soon as it's approved by the proof readers.

  s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
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Post by: Tem on December 4, 2003, 06:38
Quote from: "Mikeharper2"Although the addition of the cooling fan makes me think the enhanced side intakes of the red car more of a neccesity than aesthetic

Curve do you know if this car has the bodykit on as well?

That silver one was without the widebodykit.

Maybe the fan is there to keep the air moving while the car is sitting at red lights or something. I don't think it makes much of a difference once you're driving at decent speeds...
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Post by: mph on December 4, 2003, 10:10
*cough* see frontpage *cough*   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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