Drawn a blank s:? :? s:? I'm looking for a new set of turbo gaskets for the PE Turbo unit.
Its an IHI with no helpful markings on it. PE brand it as a PE1215-S which is no help whatsoever and not confirmed on the unit itself. s:( :( s:(
Exhaust casting stamp is:
Inlet and outlet on the hot side don't match anything I've searched for or seen before, and local suppliers haven't managed to identify the flanges.
Anyone know if the exhaust side matches to a production model?
you try teh scoobie?
Yep Scoob was my first port of call.
If I could find out how the PE relates to the IHI coding (RHB, RHO, RHF, VF etc) I might be in with a shout but there's nothing on the casting to help.
Inlet is similar to Garrett's oblong, but the mounts are offset.
Outlet is an odd 4-point fixing
I'll 'phone Matt at MWR when the USA is awake to see if he knows anything.
Plan B is to use the old ones glooped up
Plan C is to knock some up in copper
... but I'd rather get the spec. right as I need to sort out other essentials like oil feed and restrictor too s:? :? s:?
m http://www.mrtrally.com.au/performance/ ... o-data.pdf (http://www.mrtrally.com.au/performance/docs/turbo-data.pdf) m
not sure if that helps
apparently they make oem for Saabs and Mazdas as well if that helps
rumour has it that the small suziki turbos are IHI as well
Quote from: "I"Aha, according to this page the PE1215S is probably based on an IHI RHF5
If that helps find a matching gasket at all..
Thanks guys. Another handy resource here (http://www.btnturbo.com/catalogue/BTN_Cat_2005.pdf) that links turbos to production vehicles, but I've yet to find confirmation on the turbo housing thats used on this PE.
Lots of IHI to go at, and I think you could be on the right lines with the RHF5 Aaron as I've seen reference to to a four-point stud fixing, but the variants I've managed to locate pictures of so far are nothing like s:? :? s:?
Ho-hum.
got a picture of teh flange Ste?
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no idea with the outlet, but the inlet looks suspicously like a T04 fitting see m http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merch ... e=ATP-FLS1 (http://www.atpturbo.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=tp&Category_Code=ATP-FLS1) m note its square as opposed to the T03 rectangular flange used on the GT28
Quote from: "Mark's link"Bolt pattern: 3.250" x 2.750". The Flange has an innder diameter of 3.00".
A little big Mark.
PE Bolts are 2.5" and 2.25" spacing. Flange is 3" x 3 3/8th" overall and the bolts are equidistant to the flange edge rather than the hole (if that makes sense).
The optimist in me feels we're homing in on it though s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Looks like all the Subaru's have a strange three-bolt triangular flange..
1st Gen US MX-6 looks promising: m http://www.mx6.com/forums/1g-faq-forced ... -30-a.html (http://www.mx6.com/forums/1g-faq-forced-induction/114367-upgradng-your-turbo-how-ihi-vf-30-a.html) m (turbo on the left)
And even then I have a feeling the actual 'inlet' will be round rather than square - all the standard IHI units seem to have that..
Am I looking at the right pic Aaron ("exhaust side") ? - those have a five-bolt outlet.
Ganna call MWR then officially give up for the night. s:? :? s:?
No I was meaning the manifold side - you can't really see much except that it appears to be at least rectangular (probably square) as it's still bolted to the exhaust manifold in all the pics..
Ahhhhh mea culpa etc. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
And the word from MWR is ....
"Its an IHI, and thats all we know too!"
Unfortunately they don't deal in the parts, just the full PE kit s:? :? s:?
Game Over? s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Quote from: "spit"And the word from MWR is ....
"Its an IHI, and thats all we know too!"
Unfortunately they don't deal in the parts, just the full PE kit s:? :? s:?
Game Over? s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Thanks for trying Ste, and everyone else who's spent some time looking into this. It is much appreciated. I guess it's plan B then
Unless you can go to PE direct? Dave @ Prolex? Miguel @ Newera?
Yes, thanks to all for rooting around.
If I could get a positive ID on the housing I'm sure it'd be a breeze, but its certainly not a common IHI model.
Otherwise yes it looks like tackling PE directly.
OK next dumb question. Oil restriction.
The PE kit Oil pressure adaptor (tapped into the oil pressure switch) is another part missing from this kit, but no biggie as we have to get an oil line made up for the sandwich plate.
At the turbo end its straight on with a banjo.
IIRC the Garrett's BB uses a restrictor of around 0.8mm. Does the IHI need a restrictor, or is it journal bearing that I can plumb straight in? Obviously the state of the seals on the hub are an unknown, but I don't want to pinch the feed too much and starve the bearing.
Thankyou wise ones.
Have emailed PE s:D :D s:D
Good question Ste - IHI make both plain bearing and journal bearing.. it's anyones guess s:? :? s:?
Does this help identify it at all?
m http://www.ihi-turbo.com/turbo_RHE-RHF.htm (http://www.ihi-turbo.com/turbo_RHE-RHF.htm) m
In fact - RHF is ball bearing.. no help as to the restrictor size needed, though.
reply from PE
Dear Dave,
We can sell some parts for repair.
I need parts number so please ask your customer what parts does he need exactly from the MRS kit installation guide.
Please let me know the number from the components.
Regards,
Quote from: "spit"OK next dumb question. Oil restriction.
The PE kit Oil pressure adaptor (tapped into the oil pressure switch) is another part missing from this kit, but no biggie as we have to get an oil line made up for the sandwich plate.
At the turbo end its straight on with a banjo.
IIRC the Garrett's BB uses a restrictor of around 0.8mm. Does the IHI need a restrictor, or is it journal bearing that I can plumb straight in? Obviously the state of the seals on the hub are an unknown, but I don't want to pinch the feed too much and starve the bearing.
Thankyou wise ones.
Out of interest, how come theres so many parts missing from this kit? ebay special?
nice one Dave, looks like part numbers
1361-T111
1362-T111
unless there is anything else missing?
Alternative course of action, flog that kit again Phil and go for a more complete kit. I know of one. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I read that is a ball bearing turbo, might be an idea to make copper gaskets if none are easily available. How much of a hurry are you in Ste, as I will probably be able to examine mine shortly when all the bits come back.
Phil/ste's plan was to do this .. this weekend!
(next weekend Alex!)
Thanks for fielding this while I've been away guys, especially you Dave - Hero s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
OK, just to clarify: I have the two main gaskets but they're stuffed, so if we can get them in time (a week on friday) and they're not extortionate, those would be handy. Part numbers given above by Mark - ta matey:
Turbo exhaust gasket - 1361-T111
Turbo gasket out - 1362-T111
I also need the:
Oil return gasket - 13-15196-69F00 , only one if they're expensive, but 2 if they're cheap (there's one at the oil pan end I might as well replace too!).
As for oil feed restriction - hmmm - perhaps the thing to do is get Paul Woods to comment on whats coming off your car Nigel? There's no indication of a restrictor at the turbo end of the oil line, and I'd be very surprised if there's something on the T-piece, but worth a check I suppose.
Turbo banjo hole is 3mm diameter - maybe that's enough for a fair compromise? What do you think?
That said, if it is a BB turbo as you say then I'd prefer to limit the oil flow a little more and save the bearings and seals.
If its journal rather than BB - I dread to think what arestrictor could do s:? :? s:? Without confirmation that its RHF, or RHC or whatever - this one is a bit of a stumper.
It'll be great when its finished though s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
We'd still need to replace the turbo gaskets, which is what Ste is having the difficulty sourcing. I presume that would be the same with any 2nd hand kit. So it's not like we only have half a kit, the rest is about modifying what we have to make it better.
We do still have a wee while to sort this out as the fitting isn't planned until 8th of Sept as opposed to this weekend. And as Ste says there are still alternatives.
Quite right Phil. These are more belt-and-braces assurances than absolute essentials, but if a job's worth doing etc. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
TBH I'm less worried about the gaskets than getting the oil feed right, but either way I'm curious to know what turbo we're dealing with!
part number 1411-T111 is listed as oil pressure adaptor
either thats a restrictor, or it's a a T fitting to allow the oil feed to come off teh pressure sensor.
does teh kit use the latter?
Quote from: "markiii"does the kit use the latter?
Yes, thats the T-piece for the oil pressure switch Mark. I'd be very surprised if that includes a restrictor - more likely to see it at the turbo end where the standard PE kit has nothing?
Just spoken with Paul Woods - charming chap. He's going to have a look at Nigel's T to confirm.
As it happens he's confronted with an identical dilemma himself on another project (unknown turbo)!
My gut feel is that the oil banjo is a sufficient restriction. Paul suggests trying it and resorting to a bigger (ie smaller!) restrictor if there's signs of oil getting through the seals. Thats a plan in the absence of more confirmation.
in which case I'd work on teh basis it's journal bearing as there is nothing else in teh parts ist that is close to describing a restrictor.
TBH a turbo that small probably woudn't gain much from being BB anyway.
if you want me to order the bits pse let me know ASAP as I'm about to order stuff from PE... s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
any idea on price for those gaskets Dave?
Quote from: "Prolex-UK"if you want me to order the bits pse let me know ASAP as I'm about to order stuff from PE... s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Thanks Dave - you have mobile voicemail s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
have asked for a quote for the following bits.......
Turbo exhaust gasket - 1361-T111
Turbo gasket out - 1362-T111
I also need the:
Oil return gasket - 13-15196-69F00
Thanks Dave. Hope you're getting my mad mobile phone messages? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I'm out and about today but I'll find time to give you a call.
Ste
Hi
£10 for a set of 3
That OK ?
Neen to know ASAP !
ordering a new PE Turbo kit tonight so will include this in that.....
@ Ste pse email your addy as I'll get the gaskets sent direct to you
and the Turbo is not for me....... s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Dave,
Can you order me a set as well
If they are that hard to get I'll future proof :-) :-) :-)
s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Done.
So who is the turbo for then? Are you allowed to say?
Quote from: "markiii"Dave,
Can you order me a set as well
If they are that hard to get I'll future proof :-) :-) :-)
Mark - Dave has just confirmed my order (jeez, he's quick!) I've suggested they put yours in with mine and I'll send 'em down with Celine to save you both on postage.
Ste
nice one cheers Ste
Quote from: "spit":
So who is the turbo for then? Are you allowed to say?
no idea yet but I just see it happening at some point :-) :-) :-)
If mine gets taken apart, then I'll need a set for the next owner of my PE kit.
I didn't need them on the reinstall I did, as the turbo came off still bolted to the manifold.
Amazingly quick stuff by Dave, that is some service! s:) :) s:)
Id better have a set as well if its not late
Cheers Ste
Pete
Quote from: "Peter Wright"Id better have a set as well if its not late
Cheers Ste
Pete
GB anyone?? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Peter/Nigel. I think Dave has already despatched the order for two sets to be sent directly to my house - we need these to be flown over quickly if they're to get here in time.
Dave may be able to intercept, but I hope you understand that I don't want to hold the process up. I'm sure Mark will part with his to the highest bidder s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Understood s:D :D s:D
Thanks
Pete
No worries Ste, sorry mate, wasn't attempting to hold things up at all. I was really thinking out loud. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
When my kit comes back to me, I'll have a look and can always contact Dave then, if I need to.
Sorry I haven't been of more use on this.
Hope all goes well with the fitting. s:) :) s:)
Hi
order sent for the two............I will get a few more sets in on my next order in 3 weeks.
Can't say who PE kit is for...........hes having that,I/C,550cc injectors,e-manage ultimate and some other whizzy stuff fitted s:D :D s:D
Think he may pop up shortly tho !
mmmmmmmmmmmm PE got a bit funny when I asked for another 3 sets.
Ste's 2 sets are en route to his mansion.
Will have to hangfire on getting some more....I think they think I am doing my own turbo kit on the cheap hence sudden reluctance.
I'm sure if there is an emergancy I'll be able to assist
Dave
Good old Pirtek. Got this knocked up today:
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1/8th NPT for the sandwich plate end - 10mm Banjo for the turbo hub. BTW, the oil feed banjo bolt thread isn't what we were expected for a 10mm fitting - and we couldn't find a match for it s:? :? s:? Good job the original was included.
Also picked up a few fittings for the (previously unused) turbo water jacket. They're 1/4 BSP.
Just a bracket to fabricate for the downpipe, Dave's gaskets, Mark's MAF tube and a handful of nuts s:P :P s:P & we're away!
gaskets were sent out yesterday to Ste
cheers Dave :-) :-) :-)
my pleasure.
Dave. You're a star.
2 full sets of gaskets arrived today safe and sound. Thanks.
Can you send me, or Phil, or someone, an invoice and we'll throw money at you s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "spit"Dave. You're a star.
2 full sets of gaskets arrived today safe and sound. Thanks.
Can you send me, or Phil, or someone, an invoice and we'll throw money at you s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
That would be me who wants the invoice. I also think this deserves nomination for one of Enid's gold star's. We'd have up the creek if Dave hadn't stepped in.
It is much appreciated
My pleasure..........
No customs charges on the package ? s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Signed for by my neighbour while I was out .... no sign of any customs formage .... unless this is one of those that they'll send through the post later.
thats OK will be no problem................ s:D :D s:D
bit of an old thread but did anyone find out what the turbo is actually the same as?
hello,
I just bought a Turbo Power Enterprise Used and am also missing some parts to restore it.
I look for the exhaust gasket but I do not find a match with the Turbo PE.
I know this is a IHI RHF series but but I'm not sure and can not find a match.
I come to this post not to duplicate, Can you help me ?
I use an automatic translator language. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
thank you Yoan