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hi guys,I'm new to this particular forum so go easy on me!

Some of you may or may not have heard about what we do,i run woodsport which is a garage dedicated to mr2 engine conversions of all types,usually 3s-gtes into mk1's and 3vz-fe's into mk2's.We have built supercharged variants of the v6 as well,one of which is fitted to a mk1.

On a personal note ive been building a 1uz-fe (4.0ltr lexus v8) powered mk1 for the last god knows how many years,probably never get round to finishing it! Woodsport takes up all my time,thats my excuse anyway.

Earlier this year i got approached by "loadswine" about the possibility of fitting a v6 into his roadster,well we now have this car at WS HQ and in the next fortnight we will be making a start on the conversion.It will be a first in europe and i believe "blitzo" is the only other guy alive to have put a v6 into a mk3,so its going to be a pretty rare animal.

I thought id start this thread to introduce myself to this forum (Twobrutal moderator so i spend most of my virtual time there!) and also detail the conversion with step by step pics on this thread for you guys to follow along and who knows it might even help one or two of you have a go yourself at home   s:D :D s:D  

Anyway enough banging on from me,i will post updates as and when they happen,there will also be a WS webcam in operation from next week so you can follow along live.

All the best,paul.

Hi mate

what's the rough cost of this and also what power and torque figures are we looking at in the finished product?

Tee

hi,i cant disclose costs as im not affiliated on here but if you drop me an email i can give you a rough idea.

Power wise the v6 outputs 190bhp and the same torque from a totally stock engine,even in this detuned state (toyota made these an FE economy tuned engine instead of the GE sports variants) they still outperform stock rev1/2 turbo mk2's that we fit them to.

We have timeslips showing a v6 mk2 running a 14.2 quarter,that was totally stock.With head porting and a few other free mods we should be seeing 230-240bhp from this one.It will pull like a train in a mk3 chassis (we only have a v6 in a mk1 to compare it to weight wise) and the sound they make is to die for.   s:D :D s:D

Welcome to here Paul.   s:) :) s:)

Good luck with the test car.

Hi Paul - we've chatted already  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  I'll be watching this with great interest. No doubt Nigel will too  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

Oh, and welcome to the ROC.

Go well
Ste

hi ste,it was you on the phone the other day about the turbo type etc? nice talking to you mate,i'll be sure to grab that info for you.

Yep that was me. Somewhere on these pages there's a long discussion that came to no conclusion about turbo type ... although we have a clearer idea of what it isn't and things are moving forwards thanks to your advice.  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

Oh, and you have PM of a [Mod] nature  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Hi Paul, and welcome!  s:D :D s:D  
This is wierd, as I saw this thread entitled "V6 Mk3 project"  and thought " this looks interesting" then twigged, "Oh that's my car!! "
D'oh!!
I am pretty excited, but that won't be a surprise to anyone, looks like I'll be glued to the Woodsports webcam when its online.
I know there will be a load of folks on here who will offer encouragement and knowledge too , as we go along.  s8) 8) s8)

i want one. im sooo jealous nigel.

whens it gonna be finished, and when you bringing it up for the NW crew to drooooool over.    s:D :D s:D  

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welcome Paul,

looking forward to seeing how all teh things we discussed panout

Welcome Paul.. I think i met you a while ago in the Church Mouse having a drink and some food at a NE meet..sounds like a very interesting project.. especially if you can get 240 bhp easily from an NA...  s:) :) s:)

Love your MR2 MK1.5 conversions!!

hi mark it might be a steep learning curve on this one but im sure theres nothing we cant work out.

Hi alex,i remember meeting you at the mouse,that was a good day for sure.

We are also being a little more adventurous with this project by trying to get an equal length driveshaft set up sorted out as well...here is the parts list so far...

1x 3vz-fe v6 with ported heads
1x mk2 na gearbox
1x 5s-fe fidanza flywheel modified to fit v6
1x 6 paddle ACT clutch
1x pair of celica st182 na driveshafts (supported type)

Now seeing as we use the NA gearbox from a mk2 it means all v6 swaps into mk2's up to now have used the mk2 NA shafts which are an unequal length ie one long and one short shaft.It works very well but on this build i want to try and retain the equal length shaft set up that it currently has.

So i will need to modify the v6 carrier bracket and also relocate the carrier bearing on the shaft to make the celica supported shaft work,but if we pull it off it would be a major bonus.

Any comments from you guys would be helpful as the build progresses,i may be asking the odd mk3 related question too if we are unsure of something!

I can promise that I'll try to let as many people see and experience it ,when its done as possible.
I'll also post up some vid too, so you can hear what its like. I first heard a Mk2 with the V6 in a vid clip on youtube and was hooked from then on.
I've driven a Mk1 with a V6 as well and that totally did it!  s:) :) s:)  
 I really wanted to get a V6 lump in my Roadster, so Paul was the man to speak to!
Now you can see why I'm selling all my turbo kit.  s8) 8) s8)

Quote from: "paul Woods"It will pull like a train in a mk3 chassis (we only have a v6 in a mk1 to compare it to weight wise) and the sound they make is to die for.   s:D :D s:D

If this is the car I think you are talking about it's a Monster (literally.. it has a Monster" sticker on the windscreen  s:lol: :lol: s:lol: )

(http://www.mr2only.com/images/images/DSCF0730_jpg.jpg)(http://www.mr2only.com/images/images/DSCF0728_jpg.jpg)
*Pictures "borrowed" from MR2 Only Magazine*

The engineering that has gone into this build is 2nd to none.. it really is an excellent conversion. I convoyed down to JAE with Michael this year and the car sounds amazing too.

Loadswine is going to be in for a treat when it's finished, it will go like s*** off a shovel, and, thanks to the MK3's chassis,  stick to the road like the same proverbial to a blanket.

ah yes thats a woodsport conversion,michael sherrys v6 supercharged mk1 we built a few months ago,i was referring to another normally aspirated mk1 v6 we built as a comparison to a mk3 v6.....but michaels car is to date the quickest mr2 we have ever built,that thing is a scary animal to drive! wicked power to weight ratio.

Excellent....cant wait to see pics etc.

Jealous already  s;) ;) s;)

Yay!! It's all systems go then - am very excited for you Nigel   s8) 8) s8)   And as I've already had the "before" drive I will look forward to the "after" one drive even more!   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

Good luck with it all,

Sandi

Rubbing my thighs already with how good that is going to sound. Hope it goes ok Nigel.

You're on Sandi! Be glad to let you have a go.   s8) 8) s8)  
It should be interesting to get your views as you have driven it before.
Yes, I am very excited, its a different sort of feeling to getting a new car, as you don't know exactly what it will be like, you just know its gonna be great!  s:) :) s:)   You also get to see it take shape before your eyes and share this with others, how cool is that?  s8) 8) s8)    s8) 8) s8)

Quote from: "Liz"Rubbing my thighs already

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Aaanyway.. should be good to see this when it's done  s:) :) s:)

Quote from: "loadswine"You're on Sandi! Be glad to let you have a go.   s8) 8) s8)  
It should be interesting to get your views as you have driven it before.

Great! Was kinda hoping you'd say that   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:    s8) 8) s8)  

QuoteYes, I am very excited, its a different sort of feeling to getting a new car, as you don't know exactly what it will be like, you just know its gonna be great!  s:) :) s:)   You also get to see it take shape before your eyes and share this with others, how cool is that?  s8) 8) s8)    s8) 8) s8)

I'd love to be able to say I know what you mean... maybe one day...   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Quote from: "Liz"Rubbing my thighs already with how good that is going to sound. Hope it goes ok Nigel.

Thanks Liz,  very good way of expressing the anticipation......
  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Quote from: "aaronjb"Aaanyway.. should be good to see this when it's done  s:) :) s:)

I'll make sure you get to have a go mate.  s:) :) s:)

should be an interesting project, bhp output sounds similar to the 2ZZ, but i'm guessing the tourque figures are alot higher.

Its a different animal altogether Rich, the key to this engine's atrraction is about the torque under the curve, and the torque curve on the V6 is pretty flat and most is available from around 2000 RPM I think.
The raw horsepower figures won't be as high as some of the turbos, but it promises to be pretty rapid.  s:D :D s:D  
I have driven a Mk1 with this V6 and it was very quick and extremely driveable, plus the soundtrack is so much better than anything I've heard from a 4pot.
It will be good to have another option for the Roadster.  s8) 8) s8)

Well the 2 is on the ramp now and it all kicks off in earnest tomorrow, with the removal of the 1zz.
No going back now..... gulp  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  
Seriously excited  s:D :D s:D

Seriously green here Nige.

Has Paul got the 24/7 webcam up and running for this now?

Yes Ste, its up and running 24/7.  s8) 8) s8)

Nah Nah I can see your caaaar  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Quote from: "loadswine"Yes Ste, its up and running 24/7.  s8) 8) s8)

Link please  s:? :? s:?

Okay Woodsport's webcam is :

 m http://tv.woodsport.org (http://tv.woodsport.org) m  

username:woodsport
password:tv

Happy viewing!  s8) 8) s8)

hmmm seems like it's down at the moment - i keep getting 'server has no repsonse'

Looking good - turbo and exhaust are out.

Anyone want to tell them that the crash bar bolts off easily for better access??  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

I'll send Paul a pm on twobrutal about the crash bar, I thought that as well.
Chris, if the Active x version doesn't work for you, try the java version.
Most of the folks on TB have been using the java one, I've got the activex one working for me. Its easy enough to try both though.

As promised heres the start of the build thread on nigels car,some of you have been watching today anyway!

SO first of all here is a shot of how things look....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigels1zzTengine.jpg)

Not much room in that engine bay for.....well anything really! let alone a 6.

Work started by getting rid of the battery and other clutter from the engine bay,and we also removed the rear bumper,this makes access to the rear much easier....
(and yep later on we did remove the rear crossmember for better access cheers lads)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbackbumperoff.jpg)

After that i removed the exhaust system and more parts including the chargecooler pipes running front to rear....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsexhaustoff.jpg)

Next it was time to remove the turbo equipment,not a bad piece of kit this,quite impressive! engines looking a lot barer now

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsturbooff.jpg)

I had planned to remove the whole engine today but sadly a 32mm double hex socket that i didnt have prevented me from taking the driveshafts out,i have a 32mm but its single hex....so we shut up shop and went to buy one.

Finally today i took a reference shot of how the supported shaft sits in relation to the rear subframe.....this will help with aligning the v6 shaft.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelssubframeandoutputshaft.jpg)

A hell of a lot to come! watch this space.

Paul - if (when!) you find a 32mm bi-hex socket.. please enlighten us where you can find them! We (Mark, Stu and I) trawled all over the usual suspects looking for one and failed (ended up taking the hub etc out with the gearbox before separating the driveshaft & hub from the box).

Ta  s:) :) s:)

+1 on the bi-hex.

Nice work Paul - and the webcam is riveting stuff! You should have it finished by the weekend  s:P :P s:P    s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

And thanks for reminding me ... Phil, we should get some heat protection onto that oil return line of yours when we've got a moment.  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  Its well clear of everything, but belt'n'braces and all that.

got one from halfords tonight, £5.50 or so ....its bi-hex 32mm but not deep....I'm hoping it reaches in far enough or I'm going to have to chop it in half and weld some thick wall tube onto it and extend it.... but yes halfords do a 32mm bi-hex

D'oh - so it's official .. Welwyn Halfords sucks for tools! Nothing bigger than 22mm in bi-hex when we went there  s:( :( s:(

Ah.. but there are plenty on eBay - eBay here I come! (Not that I need one now, but I've got to put a clutch in at some point  s:) :) s:) )

Nice one Paul, its good to see some serious removal going on!  s:) :) s:)

yep ebay...fill yer boots

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hold fire on ordering those 32mm sockets chaps,its actually a 30mm,i measured the wrong part of the nut   s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

Quote from: "aaronjb"Paul - if (when!) you find a 32mm bi-hex socket.. please enlighten us where you can find them! We (Mark, Stu and I) trawled all over the usual suspects looking for one and failed (ended up taking the hub etc out with the gearbox before separating the driveshaft & hub from the box).

Ta  s:) :) s:)

My drive-shaft socket is currently residing in Mark's garage if anyone wants to borrow it.

Just seen on the webcam, that the seats are out, so looks like the ecu will be out soon as well.

Is the webcam working for everyone now by the way? I know some work computers may have a problem, with what the employer lets you connect to.

todays update...

once the shafts were out of the way the engine was lowered to the floor...as a point of interest toyota didnt fit any engine lifting hooks to this one which caused lots of amusement when we looked for somewhere to hang the chain from

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsengineout.jpg)

and the empty bay....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsemptybay.jpg)

also the ecu plugs that run from the car to the power FC... i need to get my head around these for the v6 wiring....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelspowerfcwiring.jpg)

Also i removed the petrol pump to make sure all was well,its had a poor install with a previous fuel pressure regulator cobbled into the pump housing,silicone sealant and cable ties,the usual bodge.....no wonder it was leaking nigel. It has now been ripped out and reverted back to the standard fuel system which will work perfectly with the 6.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelspetroltankaccess.jpg)

Finally today i took out the interior and centre console to have a look at the control linkage.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsshifter.jpg)

The bloody thing works the opposite way around to a mk1 or mk2 selector! when the stick moves forward it pushes the cable instead of pulling it like we want on a mk1/mk2 set up.

We gave this a few hours of thought and the only way around this is to custom build a mk3 friendly shifter out of a mk2 one,this means we can use mk2 cables (which themselves will need extending) and a custom bracket on the tunnel to locate them.Lots of unforseen work but projects like this always work out that way,at least we have a master plan that will work.Doing it this way also means the centre console should not need modifying....we hope!

I had a quick measure up...

the v6 plus mk2NA gearbox total width is only 1cm,thats 10mm wider than the 1zz on the 6 speeder! i couldnt believe it,i was expecting inches difference not just 10mm.....this is good news!

Got to say i love these types of threads!!  s:) :) s:)  

Everyone can see the work been put and we also learning what it takes to make these kind of things happen!

Nice one Nigel  s8) 8) s8)  and keep the pictures and details coming Paul!  s8) 8) s8)  

Excellent thread  s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:

Wow, massive progress already Paul, glad to hear about the length of the engine and transmission, at least that makes that bit easier hopefully.

another reason I stil think it's worth using teh roadster 6 speed.

can yo not have an adaptor plate Paul and mount the starter motor gearbox side that way?

or will teh 3VZ flywheel not fit the casing?

If there is a trade off in work to be done, I wonder if that might be a plan?

strikes me it's a better balanceif doable and although Paul is concerned about teh box handling it, mine seems ok with 240ftlbs of turbo

ah theres numerous problems with using the 6 speed,its actually a wider (6th gear to bellhousing face) unit than the mk2 na box by 20mm.....add a 15mm adapter plate to that plus the v6's extra 10mm width and the engine no longer fits in the bay.So id need to rehang the gearbox on custom mounts,then id need to shorten the passenger driveshaft.

Good point on the starter,thats something i hadnt even considered,that would kill the idea off for good,theres very little chance of mounting the starter motor at all,which we kinda need!   s:D :D s:D  

Also id need to make a custom driveshaft support bracket to fit the v6.

If theres any possible way at all of using the 6 speeder i will look into it although at this point in time its looking very unlikely.

As nigel says its a trade off in amount of work,what you gain doing one thing (in this case just the shifter cables) you lose by having to do tons of other fabrication work.

I wont rule it out just yet though.

Awesome work this, great thread  :-) :-) :-)  . One defo to watch !

Are you the same Paul that bought some 2 mk3 panels off ebay a month ago ?

I will defo be calling you for a price on upgrading my engine be it by turbo or replacement once my cars back from painting  :-) :-) :-)

keep the pic's coming m8

Steve
DNA 3Sixty Builder

no mate that wasnt me im afraid and dont worry every pic will appear here until its completed

Steve, this engine is a must for your 360 project. It has to be done mate.  s:) :) s:)

ooh 360,love that kit...is there a build thread?

Quote from: "paul Woods"ooh 360,love that kit...is there a build thread?

Hi Paul, yeah it's  m http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18066&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0) m

Its gone for paint at the mo, will be back in a week or two.  :-) :-) :-)

I still cant decided if to stick a turbo on it or replace the engine.  Watching this thread with great interest  :-) :-) :-)

cheers

Steve

well im totally biased when it comes to engine choice....v6 everytime! i have to say though we get a lot of swaps to do on 355 replicas,ive two of them in the workshop at the moment.For me the v6 makes the ferrari reps special....but then i would say that!

Cracking build thread by the way

today we chopped out the rear brace and engine lid catch....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsrearbracecut.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsrearbraceout.jpg)

This will be replaced by stronger tubing running to the chassis in the same way plus an extra one running side to side.

Next it was time to stop messing around and get an engine in the hole.....for this excercise we used an old scrap v6 block,bolted a gearbox to it and slotted it under the car.....note these are not the units we will be using,oh no.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsdummyv6onfloor.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsengineinsitu.jpg)

we have 10-15mm of clearance both sides....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsgearboxclearance.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelscrankpulleyclearance.jpg)

Lots of room even with the lid shut...then we went a step further and fitted the shafts....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsdriveshaftsfitted.jpg)

So all in all a good day really,it fits! there will be notching to do to the subframe around the diff but nothing hard... then when its in the right place we can work on the hundred little problems  s:) :) s:)

oh and its a 100% no go for the 6 speed box,i wouldnt have any of this engine bay clearance with it plus the starter motor would hit the exhaust....the flywheel wont work,nor will the clutch we have...and add to that node on the mr2board blew one to bits after a week on the v6.

This set up will work and is the easiest route for me.

Quote from: "paul Woods"This set up is the easiest route for me.

shame on you Paul thast not teh TB spirit  :-) :-) :-)

seriously nice one matey

i know mate im a disgrace to the club lol

Looks almost made-to-measure Paul - nicely done.

Whats access like to the rear bank of three?

reckon that will have to be cut teh rear firewall time

i will need to make an access panel under the parcel shelf to be able to get access to the spark plugs,nothing too hard.

Quote from: "paul Woods"nothing too hard.

I get the impression you'd say that about just about anything, Paul  s;) ;) s;)

I'd kill to have skills like yours, seriously  s:) :) s:)

That is superb stuff. Firewall + plasma cutter= access + PW fun time   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

I am very relieved to see that it all goes in. One well chuffed bunny here at the moment. You see it sitting there in the right place nestling with a half inch clearance either end and marvel at it.  s:D :D s:D  
When that plasma cutter is let loose, it doesn't pay to be a squeamish owner. If stuff is in the way, it has to go.  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  
The driveshafts don't line up badly either by the look of it.
Top stuff!  s8) 8) s8)

cheers aaron although its no big deal really,we just mess about with power tools   s:D :D s:D  everyone has their own kung fu i guess,id kill to be able to design websites and know wtf's going on inside my pc lol

Yeah the shafts dont look too bad at all nigel! thats the long shaft fitted of course,just for alignment....im still going to try and get the celica supported shaft in there once the engines hung but if it cant be done then this shaft set up will do grand.If anything this proves how compact a unit the v6 really is,what i mean is a 3s-gte wont do this without notching the rails or at least one rail.

I spotted another slight issue with the oil filter,it wont come off   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  ,so a relocation kit is the way forward....also i may make a recess in the drivers rear strut tower where the cambelt cover sits,at the moment it wouldnt remove with the engine in situ,im trying to make this as user friendly as possible...and doing the cambelt in situ is quite important.If it cant be done then the engine would need dropping down off its mounts for belt changes and i want to try to avoid that.Failing that i might redesign the cambelt cover so it removes from the rear and splits apart in two halves.....we shall see!

I'd be interested to see what your relocation kit looks like, Paul  s:) :) s:)  I've been thinking about doing that on my car (the aftermarket bracing is.. well - touching, the oil filter.. clattery clattery).

Now if I could just learn to weld...   s:D :D s:D

perhaps its time we look at getting that welder Aaron, was talking with Mark about it again the other day  s:? :? s:?

It would make some things a lot easier  s:) :) s:)  Like tacking the brace mounts onto the exhaust flange..

+1 for the relocation kit

The kit is on these links:
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There are kits on Uk ebay, but not sure of fitment, so I've emailed the US for confirmation and to put the order in.

Today i spent ages getting the engine in the right location,but to get it correct left to right meant having the suspension back on so the hubs were held in place....this means refitting the subframe.Now its the one area thats going to foul the diff area of the gearbox so we marked off the offending area and cut it out with the plasma.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelssubframenotch.jpg)

This hole will now be braced up internally then the wound seam welded up with thicker plates and extra strengthening added later on,shouldnt be any weaker,if anything stronger than before.

So with the engine sitting exactly right i started on the left side mount,a combination of mk3 mount and mk2 mount with joining plates between....here is the mk2 side and the mk3 side....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsnsmountstockmk2bracket.jpg)

And then i cut out two 5mm thick plates to join the two together,even made templates for future mounts....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsnsmountplates.jpg)

Once holes were drilled in the plates i welded them to the mk2 mount....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsnsmountweldedinsitu.jpg)

So thats the left mount done,it needs reshaping and profiling to make it more pleasing to look at but it mechanically works and strong as hell.

This bolts to the mk3 mount but needs a longer bolt because the plates dont hug the mount,they need a 10mm spacer each side of the mount.The reason for this is if id welded them flush to the mk3 mount you would never be able to remove the mount from the gearbox because the plates would be over the top of the bolts holding it to the gearbox.

1 mount done,3 to go....

Wow, engine mounts started!   s8) 8) s8)  Mega stuff.
The notching of the subframe is interesting, but can see why it needed a bit of alteration, I need some sort of diff!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  
I reckon that frame member will look pretty good when its finished off and painted. They always look naff as standard anyway.
I think this lot might need a 4 wheel laser alignment at the end .  s:) :) s:)  
Just love the way each detail is thought through, when you buy a car, you have no idea why the designer did this or that, but with this swap, even I can understand.

yep everything will be painted on final assembly and made to look pretty,this is just the bare guts stage of making the engine hang in the bay so everything looks raw....it will get some finese about it once the mounts are done.

You shouldnt need the alignment doing nige ,i marked the position of the track adjuster bolts before removal.

I will be doing the drivers mount today which is a biggy,lots of fab work on that side but once thats done the engine will be hanging on its own.

Cool stuff, that engine bay is going to be a work of art in itself!
Looked on the webcam today a few times and some interesting bits occurring I reckon.  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  
(If anyone hasn't spotted the webcam, the link for it is on the top of Page2 of this thread.)

you're not wrong nigel!

well today the plan was to make just the drivers side engine mount work.....it didnt go to plan.....

I ended up getting all FOUR mounts done! never done as much in one day but the swap gods were smiling down on me and everything just seemed to click into place,not often i get days like that.

Anyway heres todays progress....i modified the stock v6 engine bracket to take a mk2 engine mount

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsosmk2mount.jpg)

Then i made two cardboard templates of the side mounts for the chassis... and cut these out of 5mm steel with the plasma cutter....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsosmountplates.jpg)

These plates have been designed in such a way that they can be braced together at the top without impeding the engine mount,i learned this lesson building mk1 turbos and if you bridge the mount together without thinking it means you can never remove the engine mount to do timing belts....not good!

Here are the plates drilled and fitted to the mount and bolted ready for welding....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsosmointplatesbolted.jpg)

With the brackets welded it was time to take away the engine crane and all jacks and stands supporting it and the engine is now free hanging on its new mounts in the bay....hooray! Its MM perfect in the left/right location,sits 100% level to the car,i checked many times! and its height is perfect,im very happy.

So with that out of the way i thought lets have a crack at the rear torque mount,i expected it to be a nightmare but it was pretty straightforward.

First i took the original mk3 bracket and cut a little off it so it cleared the subframe,would you believe the mk3 mount bolted to the mk2 box in the right place? as i said it was a good day and the swap gods smiled! Here is the bracket fitted and i also cut the mounting bracket off the subframe side and reattached that....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsreartmsubframeandboxmount.jpg)

Next i offered up the mounting block into its normal position,as you can see the bolt hole is miles away....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsreartmblocknormalposition.jpg)

However,turn said block upside down and the bolt hole suddenly appears in exactly the right place! you wouldnt credit it would you!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsreartmblockupsidedown.jpg)

More gods smiling down on woodsy..... this was all then tack welded in situ.

After that i added a side arm onto the gearbox bracket that catches a bolt hole,this is present on the mk2 mount so why not include it now....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsreartmsidebracket.jpg)

Here is the whole rear torque mount finished off the car....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelscompletereartm.jpg)

Again it needs tidying and painting but it works and fits perfectly.

So going for the full set of four i set about making the front mount.....now this fella was not as simple as the rest.

For a start the stock mk3 mount rubber was a pathetic piece of shite that no way was going to hold the torque of a bucking v6 under nigels heavy right foot! here is said mount....weedy!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsnormalfronttm.jpg)

Ive had stronger farts than that..... so i definately had to get a mk2 mount on there so i could fit a prothane bush kit.... so here is all three mount sections that i had to play with,mk3,mk2 and mk2 gearbox bracket....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigels3fronttmbrackets.jpg)

You can see how much bigger the mk2 mount is (rubber missing but using prothane anyway)

So the plan was to cut all the component parts off these mounts....heres the mk3 mount with its brackets chopped off....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsmk3fronttmcut.jpg)

And the mk2 mount with its ring savaged...oer....obviously.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsmk2fronttmcut.jpg)

So the brackets were attached to the chassis as per normal....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsfronttmbracketsboltedtocar.jpg)

And the mk2 ring inserted between the brackets and tack welded.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsfronttmwelded.jpg)

Cor! much better,i do like a big ring....

Then the plate that bolts to the gearbox was chopped up and the plate bolted to the gearbox,also i used an NA rubber insert to get the hole centre right in the mount....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsfronttmbushandboxplate.jpg)

then i used what was left of the mounts to bridge between the two...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsfronttmsidestackedon.jpg)

This still needs seam welding but its a working mount....im rather chuffed with the amount i got done today.

oh you can also see why we need the filter relocation kit.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsoilfilterspace.jpg)

No way thats coming off in situ!

Also heres the space ive got for the AC pump....nigels given me an extra challenge to retain the AC! im game!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsachole.jpg)

very very nice Paul  :-) :-) :-)

Truly outstanding!  s8) 8) s8)    Unbelievable progress, and the swap Gods were on your side for sure mate, though I think the fact that you know what you're doing might help.  s:D :D s:D  
The aircon will be a bonus, or maybe swap the aircon unit for a Rotrex in the future!! Same place , different fun.  s:P :P s:P  
Nice meaty mounts , are they all going to be prothane?
There's me thinking that not a lot will be going on this week and wow! engine mounts are sorted.
Ace!  s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:

Quote from: "loadswine"or maybe swap the aircon unit for a Rotrex

Nigel.. you are a bad, bad man.

That's all I have to say..  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:   s:) :) s:)

Ss funny Aaron, I've been told that before! It must be the company I keep on here!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

cheers chaps,try to ignore the grottyness of everything,this is merely the bull by the horns stage,like me it will all look pretty eventually!   s:D :D s:D  

Nige i am using prothane on the front torque mount only,see how it goes,if the engine moves too much i will polyurethane fill the rear torque mount.

The side mounts just hold the weight of the engine/box so no need for poly mounts here,just the torques that need addressing.

Cool! Lets see what happens today.
Probably Whoozy's bits will turn up and that will need sorting, no probs, looking forward to his V6 turbo being completed. You'll have fun testing that one!!

today i thought id have a go at the big air con challenge nigel threw down! paul i want to retain the AC on my mk3!! no ifs buts or maybes!

So i decided to see how big an effort it was going to be.....i started by removing the mk3 AC pump.....its a small unit,i dont think we have room to fit the big camry AC pump and its hoses are totally different to the mk3 body hoses on the AC,so getting the mk3 pump to run would be a massive bonus.

Here it is....nice n compact....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacpump.jpg)

And here is the v6 AC bracket that normally holds the camry AC pump onto the engine....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacbracket.jpg)

its a completely different unit to the mk3 pump so the very last thing i was expecting was this....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacpumponbracket.jpg)

This swap just keeps getting better and better! the mk3 pump only bloody bolts straight onto the v6 bracket! god i love toyota! woohoo! do a little dance,make a little love...get down tonight!

Although i got too carried away....when i bolted the AC bracket onto a v6 block this is the pulley alignment....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacpumpfittedmisalignedtopview.jpg)

Oof! nowhere near lining up with the outside 6 rib pulley....it did however line up with the 4 rib pulley on the inside but this would have no means of tensioning the belt,unless i made a tensioner....which would be a ballache and im not sure we have space for one anyway....bugger!

So only one thing for it,move the whole AC bracket outboard to meet the outer pulley (its tensioned off the alternator so thats why it would be good)

I fitted longer bolts to the bracket sides....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacbracketlongbolts.jpg)

And chopped away part of the alternator bracket that the pump would foul as it was moved outboard

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacaltbracket.jpg)

Then i rechecked alignment....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacpumpextended.jpg)

cock on! how d'ya like them apples?

However the AC bracket bolt holes on the block face no longer lined up....so i chopped them out and welded these new bolt holes into the correct place....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacbracketboltholeswelded.jpg)

So now the whole bracket is relocated about 25mm further outboard,the pump pulley lines up with the outer pulley,its got a tensioner (alternator),the pipes will plug straight onto the car and the cheerleader is saved (save the cheerleader,save the world!)

Not such a big deal after all,just a little lateral thinking....AC sorted.

Genius Paul , hero indeed! ( another popular TV reference)  s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:    
How good is that! Can't believe how the a/c bolts up to the camry bracket, and it is a nice compact compressor , the V6 won't even feel its on board!
Pipework justs hooks up as before. Carol (my missus) will be very pleased too, though I have to say she is cheering you on as well mate.
You make me sound like a right git, with the challenge, but only laid it down cos I knew that you'll always be up for it! Not wrong eh?  s8) 8) s8)  
So is this still the scrap block we are looking at, or is this actually my engine?
For my next challenge, its a super porting job, so I can get 240 horses at the dyno day!! ( Pushing my luck I think. )  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

bugger, i wanted your condensor  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:  

nice work Paul, following this one with interest, i think that when my engine blows i'll be knocking on your door for something like this

Sorry Stu.  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:   The compressor fits so well though!  s8) 8) s8)

you'll have to take me out in it then Nige, to test out the AC of course  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Okay mate, that's a deal then!  s:) :) s:)

this is anths v6 hes prepping for another customers car,it was easier for me to make the aircon fit his engine than on yours as his was on the engine stand and could be wheeled around.

I thought I'd help Paul out here with copying over Fiday's action update:
(Pauls words from here on)


"not much done today as i was finishing off whoozys car.....but we have more good news.... here is the clearance betwen the cam cover and parcel shelf....



It was previously thought we would need an access panel chopped in the parcel shelf to change the spark plugs.....not so! with a 3" extension,a wobble joint and a ratchet i was able to change them quite easily....so i will be supplying all mk3 v6 swaps with this exact piece of equipment so its not an issue,and no chopping of the parcel shelf....see you're now getting free tools with my swaps

Also we took a final look at the dummy v6 sat in the bay....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsfrontcamcoverclearance.jpg)


Everything looks absolutely spot on..... so we pulled it out for final engine mount welding....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsdummyv6hanging.jpg)

This needs seam welding,then seam sealing and we are repainting the whole engine bay.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsdriverschassismount.jpg)

Also ive found a solution to the dipstick issue,more on that as it happens."

Look what Paul did today! Wow, stuff going in now!  s8) 8) s8)  

today i concentrated on welding all of the support bracing back in that we chopped out,but this time its 40mm box section going in,lots of strength!

Starting with braces going rearward from the strut to the rear panel,these divert around the engine plenum and generally tidy up where we cut the rear panel....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsstruttobackpanelsupports.jpg)


Then the next brace to add was a side to side one,this one just skirts around the back of the plenum chamber and it will also hold the repositioned engine lid catch....its important to try and retain that or we would need bonnet pins....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelscrossbracesideview.jpg)


Then i welded in two supports running from the chassis upward to the top crossbrace,basically copying toyotas original design except beefed up by 400%!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbottombrace.jpg)

Also above you will notice i welded in an extra crossbrace at the bottom of the bay,this one isnt in toyotas orginal design but i figured a bit of extra strength wont hurt....im sure if toyota had put a v6 in they would agree!

Next was the engine lid catch....i ended up chopping the original mounting bracket off the original slam panel,its purpose built for the job after all..... this was then welded into the correct position although the engine lid catch itself will need a little modifying to hit this....no biggy,i think this looks totally meant to be.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsenginelidcatchbracket.jpg)


below you can see everything seam welded and then i applied seam sealer to all the joints...also i braced the drivers chassis mount and seam sealed that too....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsenginemountseamsealed.jpg)


So at the end of play today shes all braced up,seam sealed,engine lid catch done and bay stripped and prepped ready for painting tomorrow....that will involve celly primer and lots of red!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelscompletebracingsealed.jpg)

awesome work !!!

Can't wait to see next steps.

GRATZ !!   s:D :D s:D

Here's today's instalment of conversiony goodness!  s:D :D s:D  
( words below are Paul's not mine)

Todays update then,i started by priming the bay and new steel with high build....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbayprimed.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbayprimed2.jpg)

Just needs a thin coat of this to prevent paint reactions.

Then i sprayed the whole thing red....seems a slightly different shade to the car but thats red for you,its a total nightmare to match up even going armed to the paintshop with the correct code.....mind you its tons better than the "brown" bay they normally have.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbaypainted1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbaypainted2.jpg)


Next up i boxed up the subframe notch with nice thick seam welded plates...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelssubframewelded.jpg)

Then the whole thing got metal primed....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelssubframeprimed.jpg)

Followed by a liberal coating of 2k black....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelssubframeblack2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelssubframeblack.jpg)

So thats engine bay ready and subframe ready... the rest of the week will be devoted to the engine and then it all gets brought together....

Oh i also made a mk3 v6 jig today,this fella will make future v6 mk3's a lot easier....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsmk3v6jig.jpg)

ok most i followed but how the hell does the V6 stick jig work then????  s:? :? s:?

I don't know Stu, as I've never used one. I'll have to refer that one back to Paul.  s:) :) s:)

This is looking fantastic... id love to come down someday and see it when its all put together. If thats possible.

Great stuff Alex, we'll have to sort that one out.   s:) :) s:)

I'm going tomorrow to look and go ooooooh. Taking a change of undercrackers, just in case I have an accident!   s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

hi guys,basically the jig bolts into a normal mk3 engine bay and allows me to weld the drivers side engine mount plates onto the chassis in exactly the right place without having to dummy fit the engine at all.....then when the engine is fitted i know its going to sit in exactly the same position that it does in nigels,basically saves me a good 3 or 4 days work on all future mk3 v6 swaps

Paul started sorting out the engine today. I've only just seen the pics myself and its looking good.


"today i was mostly hiding round the corner from the camera stripping a v6 engine down for nigels car...within a few hours it was down to the block....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsv6block.jpg)

And the whole thing got degreased,jet washed....sump off and resealed and some paint on the block too.....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelswaterpumparea.jpg)

We found a leaking crankshaft oil seal,just a weep from it but we fitted a brand new seal just to be sure.

More engine building tomorrow and maybe a bit of head porting."

Paul's update for today folks:


Well today i decided to make a nice heatshield for the front firewall,cant have nigels pint getting warm in the cubby boxes now can we!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsheatshield1.jpg)

Its 1mm ally but with a bluey tinge to it,possibly anodised in some way? is that even possible?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsheatshield2.jpg)

The rest of the day was spent porting heads,no fancy equipment,no data to rely on,just me.... a selection of dremel bits and a 25,000 rpm air dremel,and goggles!...brutal!


The objective? simple....take the heads out as far as i possibly dare without putting a hole in something! ....i started by putting the inlet gasket on and spraying over it with red aerosol,this gives the boundaries on the outside of the head,you can see here the port on the left is already opened right out (ive removed a serious amount of material from these let me tell you!) and the port on the right has just had its outer lip ground down at a 45* angle so you can see how much we are removing overall from the entire port......lots! I balance the ports using my "eye dyno" and "finger dyno"
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsporting1.jpg)

To give you a little idea of just how much material you can remove here is the ported head in the foreground and the unported in the background....ok the foreground is going to look bigger but the head behind is only 6" away from it,the difference is huge.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsporting2.jpg)

These need finishing off,we arent going to polish them like folk used to do in our mini days,thats been proven to be worse for power,current thinking is to leave a roughish finish that helps atomize the fuel better as it gets disrupted on the head walls....i dunno you decide!

Theres another day of porting to go through before engine final assembly.

Work got underway again today:
"well following the finished head porting (we opened these fellas out as far as we dare!) it was time to nail it all together,here is as far as i got.....heads back on and timing belt fitted...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsheadson.jpg)

And cam covers and top cover painted....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelscamcoverspainted.jpg)

The more observant among you will see thats two front covers!!! yes we are fitting another front cover to the rear so that nigel can fill the engine with oil,the front cover is wedged under the parcel shelf.Its a simple solution to the problem and will need nothing more than a spouted funnel to do oil changes

More engine building tomorrow

ps forgot to say if we simply swapped covers the top panel wouldnt work....so thats why we have two front covers and not simply swapped them.....if we were leaving the top panel off then it wouldnt be an issue "

Quote from: "Paul's update"we arent going to polish them like folk used to do in our mini days,thats been proven to be worse for power,current thinking is to leave a roughish finish that helps atomize the fuel better as it gets disrupted on the head walls....i dunno you decide!

And to think I spent a fortune in having my ports polished in yester-year   s:cry: :cry: s:cry:

Quote from: "roger"And to think I spent a fortune in having my ports polished in yester-year   s:cry: :cry: s:cry:

  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:   s;) ;) s;)

Quote from: "loadswine"Its 1mm ally but with a bluey tinge to it,possibly anodised in some way? is that even possible?

probably not anodised, but ally quite often comes with a protective thin film of plastic on it, here at work ours is a bluey/green colour

checked it for a protective film,it hasnt got one....looks like its in the alloy itself

strange, but anodiseing ally of any size isn't a great wowser to do, you may find its even a result of some kind of heat treatment, if you can find a type marking then then you'll find that the heat treatment code is the part after the type code, so thats something like this 6061-T6, 6061 is the type code and the T6 would be the heat treatment code

anyway enough irrelivent crap back to V6's

Nice link there Stu, and back to the V6 it is, with more gratuitous engine gleaming bits. Take it away Paul:-

"today i have been detailing engine parts,it takes ages to get everything clean and painted but its worth the effort.....starting with fitting the centre plenum section and fuel rails....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsheaterpipeend.jpg)

Here you can see the front cam cover fitted to the rear and the new oil cap position.....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsfuelrailsonandmodifiedharness.jpg)

Also there is usually a thick plastic harness section that runs along the rear cover,it would have gone right over the oil cap,not good,so i redid the harness so it goes above the oil cap....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsharness.jpg)

A little forward thinking for cambelt changes,the cover was going to be next to impossible to remove in situ,so ive cut it in half so that each side has four bolts holding each half cover on....both sections will now remove when the engines fitted....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelstwopiececambeltcover.jpg)

Here is the coolant filler body painted,even gave it some chrome dome head nuts holding it down...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelspressurecapbody.jpg)

And heres the plenum painted.....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsplenum.jpg)

And a brief overview of how the engine looks now....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsenginewithplenumandtopcover.jpg)

Heres a few bits i painted but didnt have time to fit today....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacisandiscvpainted.jpg)

So pretty good progress but still a way to go...

Today's action from Woodsport, commentary as usual from Paul:

well a very busy day,i started by tackling the dipstick issue,there was no way for nigel to check his oil with the stick in its stock location so i made a new dipstick assembly from scratch.

I cut the bottom off the old tube and inserted some new thinner tube inside this and welded it....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsdipstickend.jpg)

Then bent the new tube to shape and welded the top section from the old tube onto it....the top and bottom parts mean it retains its oil sealing properties.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsdipsticktopend.jpg)

Then i used nigels 1zz dipstick and uncrimped it from its handle,cut it to the perfect length and recrimped it.....we double checked this and its going to measure the oil exactly the same as the old stick,finally the new assmebly got painted.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsfinisheddipstick.jpg)

Next i cleaned down the mk2 gearbox and painted it....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsgearboxpainted.jpg)

Then fitted the 5s-fe fidanza flywheel,and ACT 5s-fe clutch kit.... for people new to v6 swaps the 5s-fe flywheel needed modifying to fit the v6 crank.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsflywheelandclutchplate.jpg)

Then gearbox and engine were bolted together....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsengineandgearbox.jpg)

Next the whole lot was pushed under the car ready for install....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsengineundercar.jpg)

And a few moments later it was in the bay....

It was now i hit a small snag...we had a damn good look around the engine and we think the bracings are too much of a comfort fit around the plenum.....basically i screwed up! it clears it ok but i havent allowed for engine flex under acceleration,schoolboy error!

So i chopped the braces back out with the plasma cutter and positioned them 1" further back,we now have plenty of clearance,i will know for next time!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsengineinandbracemoved2.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsengineinandbracemoved.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsengineinandbracemoved3.jpg)

but hey,how good does that look?

Tomorrow i need to briefly drop the engine out on the floor to reweld the braces and repaint where ive welded.

Christ Paul, if you wanted 10 out of 10 for attention to detail and quality of work then you get my vote

got any jobs going?

Damn Sexy looking install  s:) :) s:)

cheers kajun,actually i may be looking for a bodywork type person soon.

only one type of bodywork i like to play with  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

looking very very good!  s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:   I'm soooo green!   s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:  
  s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:  Paul,just outta curiousity why did you go with the 3VZ and not the 1MZ like Blitzo? the reason I'm asking is because I'm building a 1MZ for my Mk3   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:

Availability, cost, wiring issues. I'm taking a guess that your not in the UK.
If you are and you've manged to source a 1MZ cheaply, then good for you mate, they aren't the easiest things to find cheaply here.
I only know of 1 mk2 with a 1MZ.
Good luck with your build.  s:) :) s:)

Paul, that looks absolutly fantastic.. very beautiful... Wish i had the pennies to buy one...!!

Am very jelous too!

Best car porn I seen in ages  s8) 8) s8)

Here's more!

"another eventful day at WS HQ,i started by welding the support bars back into their correct position,and with them repainted the engine could finally go back in,i added the plenum and throttle body and plumbed most of that up...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsTBfitted.jpg)

next the coilpack/amp was mounted on the passenger strut....fits like a glove too,you'd swear it was meant for it.... its important to earth the body of this unit or sparky no worky...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelscoilpackfitted.jpg)

Next the clutch line was sorted,mk2 line mates straight to mk3 hard pipe,its the perfect length as well....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsclutchline.jpg)

Also the front torque mount was prothane bushed and fitted...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsprothanebush.jpg)

Now i started to remove the ABS rings from the mk3 shafts and place them onto the mk2 CV joints,all went well until i inserted the CV's back into the hubs and i could clearly see the ABS ring was engaging fully into the hub! upon close inspection the mk2 outer CV spline is around 10mm shorter than the mk3 spline,so this would lead to two things happening.....

1, the ABS wont work
2, the wheel bearings would collapse within 5 miles,not good!

So back to the drawing board on the shafts.... and with a bit of playing about we discovered mk3 shafts fit into the mk2 diff,thats a stroke of luck! dont u just love toyota.....so in one hit the ABS problem and shaft problem is sorted...plus with the added bonus this v6 will have a supported output shaft set up,although that will mean i will have to make a custom mount carrier....coolio.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsmk2shaftoutercv.jpg)
mk2 cv,lack of splines is a problem!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsmk3shaftcarrier.jpg)
mk3 supported shaft bracket

Heres the bay as it looks now.....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsenginetb.jpg)

Paul, wouldn't it be better to use a set of post facelift shafts as they're solid rather than the pre facelift hollow centre ones?

i thought this was a post facelift car?

it is

Yes, definitely facelift, its a 2003 and it had 6 speed box etc.

Haven't posted in this thread for a bit - too fascinated. Some excellent work there Paul.

ignore me then, i thought it was pre

sorry  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

Here's Friday:

"lots of work today but in real terms not a lot accomplished,but it was quite a big deal making the supported shaft carrier bracket from scratch,and also its the only one in the world which is kinda cool!

So first job was to cut a 5mm plate that bolted to the block,this also has the dowel holes located in it too....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsablockplate.jpg)

Then i made a plate that attached to the carrier block...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsasupportedmountplate.jpg)

And with that attached to the block and fitted to the shaft....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsaplateboltedtocarrier.jpg)

This block would normally sit flat to the block face,we dont have room for that,so instead its hung upside down like this....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsaallplatesboltedup.jpg)

I also needed to make a hole in the block plate for part of the carrier block to poke through....and then tack welded them together with good support plates either side...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsamounttackedwithsides.jpg)

As i went along i made sure the whole thing was removable,it would be highly embarassing if i welded this in situ and couldnt unbolt it for seam welding!

Shortly after i removed the whole thing and seamed it up....cranked the castomag up to 5 for this job! it blew my welder plug fuse as its never been on that high a setting before,so i upgraded the fuse with a bolt  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    brutal! mind you the workshops probably on fire now   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacarriermountseamed.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsacarriermountseamed2.jpg)

and painted....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsamountpainted.jpg)

And the bracket in situ holding the supported shaft.... say hello to the worlds first v6 mk3 with equal length driveshaft set up on a mk2 NA box....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsamountcompleted.jpg)

Other work today included attaching the shifter cables to the gearbox linkages....i used nigels brass bushings off his old cables and inserted them into these mk2 ones,more toyota interchangeability....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsagearcablesfitted.jpg)

Of course they arent attached to anything inside the car,thats all got to be custom built yet...the cables that is,not the inside of the car   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

Also i got the suspension rebuilt too....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsadriveshaftsandsuspensionfitt.jpg)

So the drivetrain is now complete... things to do include....

plumbing
fuel lines
alternator
AC pump
wiring the ecu up
gear shifter assembly
coolant bottle
starter motor
battery relocation
exhaust downpipes
exhaust silencer
AFM and air filter
cooling fan
engine lid catch
oil filter relocation
instrumentation
rebuild the interior
rebuild the exterior
fill engine/box with fluids
turn the key.....brum brum

You should have it done by Tuesday then  s;) ;) s;)   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:


Y'know the best thing about this thread, and Paul's work in particular? It's not the extremely high level of workmanship, and it's not the fact that this is currently a one-off in this country, but more the fact that Paul (and Nigel) is letting everyone see EXACTLY what he's doing at every stage, mistakes and all. There's very few people left who would do that, so that makes this all the more remarkable.

My hat is off to you both.

I'll be there tuesday morning  s:) :) s:)  lol


Seriously guys if you could let me know pm?? the approximate time when you're going to be finished/picking the car up .. then i'd love to pop down..

Alex

Somebody needs to catch an audio file of the start up - I cant wait!

Quote from: "Chris_h"Somebody needs to catch an audio file of the start up - I cant wait!

I'll do my best  s:) :) s:)

thanks ekona,thats always been my way of doing things,ive no time for these "secret societies" and indeed far too many garages hide or wont share what they do...i have always been a firm believer in sharing the information with everyone even if it helps my competition learn how to do stuff,its the only way to be,mainly because ive a big interest in helping the man at home tackle it himself (its a twobrutal thing!   s8) 8) s8)   )......now when are you letting me v6 that vxr   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

I will grab video of this starting up when it happens

Quote from: "paul Woods"now when are you letting me v6 that vxr   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

The 3.0l GM one does fit...  s;) ;) s;)   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:

Dan , thanks for the comments, I've enjoyed the sharing bit, it adds to the sort of atmosphere that we try and promote on the club.

Chris, I'm looking forward to it as well mate!

Alex, sure I'll let you know when we're going to pick it up.

Paul, you're a bad man tempting Dan like that!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Quote from: "Ekona"

Quote from: "paul Woods"now when are you letting me v6 that vxr   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

The 3.0l GM one does fit...  s;) ;) s;)   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:

Now that would be immense  s:) :) s:)

whats the power output and torque figures like for the 3ltr GM?

Pass on the torque, but the 3.2l V6 that was eventually put in the V-XS w/ throttle bodies was producing 326bhp apparently. Never made it into production due to the astronomical costs (£45,000!) sadly.

Only pic I've got of the engine bay:

(http://www.vx220.org.uk/forums/uploads/post-2-1101150386.jpg)

Tasty.  s8) 8) s8)





And sorry Nige, back on topic now folks  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

Quote from: "loadswine"Availability, cost, wiring issues. I'm taking a guess that your not in the UK.
If you are and you've manged to source a 1MZ cheaply, then good for you mate, they aren't the easiest things to find cheaply here.
I only know of 1 mk2 with a 1MZ.
Good luck with your build.  s:) :) s:)

Yeh that would be right i'm south of you guys!!
I got my 1MZ for the equiv of +-600 quid.(dunno if its a good deal)
When i get started with the swap i'll post up the info! promised the wife i'd only do it once the car's paid but you making that really it difficult  s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:  (I gotta a red 2 too)  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  
GOOD LUCK LOADSWINE AND WOODSPORT  s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:   thanks for all the info. it will def make all our lives easier doing the swap!!!

Oh another question....as far as the extra weight is concerned what are planning to do suspension wise?

The existing Teins should handle things okay.  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Quote from: "Ekona"Pass on the torque, but the 3.2l V6 that was eventually put in the V-XS w/ throttle bodies was producing 326bhp apparently. Never made it into production due to the astronomical costs (£45,000!) sadly.

Only pic I've got of the engine bay:

(http://www.vx220.org.uk/forums/uploads/post-2-1101150386.jpg)

Tasty.  s8) 8) s8)

any idea of weight?






And sorry Nige, back on topic now folks  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

Quote from: "loadswine"The existing Teins should handle things okay.  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Paul reckoned so when I was up there the other week. Given the ground clearance of the Trial kit I had asked myself whether this would be an issue. It wasn't something that he was concerned about.

@Mark: Haven't got a clue mate, sorry. The info is probably out there somewhere, but without knowing the exact model number for that particular engine (or even which vehicle it comes out of) it's really hard to find. GM make a surprising amount of V6s!

Quote from: "evileye_xc"

Quote from: "loadswine"The existing Teins should handle things okay.  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Paul reckoned so when I was up there the other week. Given the ground clearance of the Trial kit I had asked myself whether this would be an issue. It wasn't something that he was concerned about.

The Only area where ground clearance was a bit marginal was at the front, so shouldn't really be a problem Phil, the back may ride a tad lower, but that should be fine. We'll know for sure when its on the ground again.  s:) :) s:)

Well take a look at what Paul has created today, you'll like this!

"today was a big day in the grand scheme of things,i decided to work on the shifter arrangement....without which this whole project is a dead duck.

So as you know we left off with two mk2 shift cables attached to the gearbox but connected to fresh air in the cabin....we cant use the mk3 shifter box cos its operation works back to front,so yes it would change gears but 2nd would be 3rd,1st would be 4th....it just wouldnt be good!

So i had to build a complete shifter assembly from scratch,i started by chopping up a mk2 shifter unit....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbmk2shifterchoppedup.jpg)

Some of this will form the component parts for the new shifter.

I examined where the cables needed to run and basically there wasnt enough space to run a cable each side of the handbrake lever like it did before,but there was a half decent gap on the passenger side of the handbrake so i decided to mount the cables one on top of the other....this was done by welding the support brackets together like this....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbshiftercablebracketwelded.jpg)

And then this was welded to the car with a support bracket going backwards to take the strain....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbshiftersupportbracket.jpg)

Now work could start on the shifter itself,i had nothing to work from other than some mk2 bits...... so i made two plates that bolt to the original shifter points...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbshifterplates.jpg)

Then placed the mk2 shifter assembly central so the stick would poke out through the gaitor in the right place and tacked it in situ with two support bars....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbshiftertackedinplace.jpg)

Then i removed the whole thing and added angle iron legs on all four corners....here it is refitted to check it all fits immediately after welding....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbshiftercompletelywelded.jpg)

Then i lengthened the stick by 3" so it came out of the gaitor properly and then painted the whole thing.....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbshifterpainted1.jpg)

No designs,no drawings,just fabbed up on the spot to work.... next i made an adjustable extension to go on the "push/pull" cable as i call it....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbshiftercableextensions.jpg)

And extended the "side to side" cable with hollow tube...... this was all aligned properly by engaging the gearbox manually in neutral and centralising the stick where neutral should be.....works on the mk1 turbos we build so why not!

Finally a refit of the centre console....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelsbcentreconsolerefitted.jpg)

We have screwed on a mk1 gearknob for now,the mk3 one wouldnt fit and showed 6 speeds and reverse in the wrong place anyhow!

After that we bled the clutch and we can get all five gears plus reverse slicker than snot  s:D :D s:D    and from the outside the centre console looks exactly as it did before,this is a major step forward,i was a tad worried about gear selection but it works 100%

Onwards and upwards!   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Respect, I only wish I had half the skills.

 s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s8) 8) s8)  

just like that....


Simon

Respect.... to think about the number of new cars that have lousy 'stir porridge' type shifts and you did this in a day!

balls, imagination and the right tools

lucky bugger Paul

Todays action from Woodsport:-

"today was all about starting to tackle the little jobs but after sketchys observation about the shifter throw i decided to tackle that....basically to get less stick movement the tab needed welding higher up and i also had to put a bend in one of my linkages so it still missed the centre console,but im pleased to say it works and has reduced the gearstick throw...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelalteredgearlinkage.jpg)

Next up i fitted the alternator,really tricky with so little room to play with but its in there.... also i made up the lower radiator hose,pretty simple really and not too far apart from where it needs to go....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigellowerradpipe.jpg)

Next i did the top rad hose,this one was a little trickier and needed to swing 180* with a mk2 section i had and then run along the top of the engine bay before joining to the filler cap point.....also i connected up the fuel feed line and gave it some protective braiding supplied by nigel....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelfuelhoseandtopradhose.jpg)

next was AC fitment,id already made this fit the dummy engine a few weeks ago,still a bugger to fit with so little space but it clears everything and the beauty is i knew the pipes would already fit...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelairconpipesconnected.jpg)

Last job of the day was the expansion bottle,on a mk3 its a pressurized container,all we need it to do on the v6 is act as an overflow reservoir for the ebb and flow of coolant on shutdowns.... so it needed to be converted to a mk1 or mk2 design,this was done by cutting the neck off a mk2 bottle and silicon sealing it onto the mk3 bottle....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelexpansionbottleglued.jpg)

Then the mk2 cap fits straight on and with the outlets plugged on the bottle its ready to go and of course bolts up in its stock location which is why ive used it rather than a mk1 or mk2 bottle which would need custom mounting....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigelexpansionbottledone.jpg)

Lots more little jobs to do"

Today's instalment.......

"today i didnt get a lot done,i had a few jobs to do on other cars and
 it was 2pm before i could drop back onto this.... i know,you just cant
 get the staff!
 
But i did make an adapter to fit the oil filter relocation kit....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigel1oilrelocatingadapter.jpg)
 
And this was then fitted into place....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigel1oilfittinginstalled.jpg)
 
We took the oil cooler off for more space and this will go on the other
 end of the relocator....it means it should do a proper job of cooling
 the oil instead of being cooked next to the engine and exhaust....heres
 the pipes on the engine end....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigel1oilrelocationpipes.jpg)
 
Then they feed up over the top next to the rad pipe....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigel1oilrelocationpiperoute.jpg)
 
And down to the relocated end....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigel1oilfilterrelocated.jpg)
 
I still need to run the water pipes from the block to the new location
 and im also going to make a little stone guard for the filter in case
 anything  off the road tries to impact it
 
here is the engine as it is now...
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigel1engineoverview.jpg)
 
A proper days work will get done tomorrow i promise!
***************

Quote from: "loadswine"Okay Woodsport's webcam is :

 m http://tv.woodsport.org (http://tv.woodsport.org) m  

username:woodsport
password:tv

Happy viewing!  s8) 8) s8)

Look there's someone bent over it right now   s:) :) s:)

That will be Mr Woods himself, probably!
This is such a cool thing to be able to look in occasionally.  s8) 8) s8)

The story continues with Paul's expert narration explaining what's what!
Not to mention his expert skills actually doing the stuff!

"today i got little bits done,they all seem to take longer than they
 should.... nature of the job i suppose....anyway i noticed when the engine
 lid was put back on it was fouling the top of the expansion bottle,so
 i drilled the spotwelds out of its bracket and moved it 20mm down.....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigecoolantbottlerelocation.jpg)
 
It now clears the lid,you can see its original bolt hole just above it.
 
Next i plumbed up the oil cooler coolant lines,these run from engine to
 cooler but i added special brackets that bolt to the chassis to retain
 them to stop them moving around or chaffing....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigeoilcoolerwaterpipes.jpg)
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigeoilcoolerwaterpipes2.jpg)
 
These are actually mk2 handbrake cable brackets,perfect for the job,i
 love robbing parts from the toyota parts bin,makes any swap that bit
 more authentic.
 
next the starter motor,heater lines and fuel return line were
 added,remember ive used the old evap line as the fuel return....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigestartermotor.jpg)
 
Next job was to make the expansion bottle hard line,we could have just
 routed a rubber pipe under the intake manifold but its a nasty way to
 do it and a proper hard pipe is how toyota do these things....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigeexpansionpipe1.jpg)
 
I took brackets from an old ECU and trimmed them to shape,then welded
 them onto the pipe that i bent to fit around the "rear wall" ....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigeexpansionpipe2.jpg)
 
It all helps to give that "toyota" install feel about it.
 
Also i bolted the engine lid catch back on,the lid still needs
 modifying....
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigeenginelidcatch.jpg)
 
Finally today heres an overview of the engine with its top cover
 added...."
 
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigetopcover.jpg)
***************

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigetopcover.jpg)

Thats just pornographic  s:P :P s:P  

Excellent work Paul.

i have been watching ths thread with much envy, this is a beautiful piece of kit.

can't wait to see and hear it in the flesh. makes me think i should try this super charger malarchy  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Well Woodsy did some more today and started off with the cry of manic genius!


***************
nobodies getting to see it,its mine all mine!!! muhahahahaaaa

back to the build.... today i made the AFM bracket...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/n1gelsafmbracket.jpg)

And mounted the AFM and filter in the bay....also connected the throttle cable which was a plug n play job and the perfect length....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/n1gelsthrottlecable.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/n1gelsafmfitted.jpg)

Also got the ACIS vacuum cannister fitted....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/n1gelsvacuumcannister.jpg)

Fabricated the engine mount top plate....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/n1gelsenginemounttop.jpg)

Which is basically a failsafe and support for the mount,same design as a mk2 engined car really.

So the engine bay is all but complete,just needs vacuum tubing and the exhaust fitted and its there....although still a way to go before it starts up i hasten to add!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/n1gelscompletedbay1.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/n1gelscompletedbay.jpg)
***************

Okay, if you like pipes and stuff, you're in for a treat!
Words by Paul as always:-
***************
todays updaterage...

i finalised the position of the engine lid catch,cut the old one off and welded this mk1 boot lid catch in the right place,it needs painting but works perfectly and once id added the lid rubbers it pops open just like before.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nlidcatch.jpg)
The rest of the day was spent exhaust fabricating.... starting by hanging the magnex stainless silencer....we ran into our first problem here,the originally hanger on the left side was in the wrong place,or rather the silencers hanger was...either way i had to heat it with oxy-acetylene and bend it over....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nhangerbent.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nsilencerandhangerbent.jpg)

ive got 20mm of clearance between the silencer and my strengthener frame.

Then i chopped up the original v6 downpipes and added 1.75" tube to them,increasing the bore by 0.25"

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nfirstflexi.jpg)

i also added this small flexi that goes between both downpipes,its there to allow the pipes to bend a little when fitting the downpipes,no other reason.....once fitted it becomes pretty much redundant.

Next up i cut this swage out of the front bank pipe,this was for the rear bank pipe to merge into....the rear bank pipe had the same swage cut out of it making them merge together in a perfect Y...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nfirstbendslash.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nbothpipesmerged.jpg)

This then had a flange joint attached to it...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nflangeadded.jpg)

And then a large flexi added after that....this one is vital,it takes all the movement between engine and exhaust silencer....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nflexiadded.jpg)

I then swung a bend from this up into the silencer....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nflexitosilencer.jpg)

Next i hung the rear bumper,its a special bodykit this so the outlet pipes didnt line up at all,so i chopped them off and refabbed them from scratch.... then i removed everything for seam welding....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nfrontpipesoffcar.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nsilenceroffcar.jpg)

And thats as far as i got... the 4" tips get added tomorrow and refit of the whole system for good.

Now i know some folk are going to say something about the front bank downpipe being longer than the rear bank and what effect this has,after all you read a lot about equal length downpipes etc.... but i really dont have a choice here,its the way its got to be,i just dont have the space to do anything more elaborate,so dont shoot me!  s:) :) s:)
***************

Okay, we're getting closer now, but the wiring might take a little sorting here and therefore time.
These are the bits for today as described by Paul:-

"today i refitted the exhaust and finalised the position of the tail pipes and rebuilt the rear end....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigrearbumpershot.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigrearshot.jpg)

I added a few extra exhaust hangers of which this is one,the others were too hard to take pics of...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigextraexhaustmount.jpg)

Also im just about done in the engine bay,i added the strut brace....
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigbracefitted.jpg)

So it was time to start on the wiring,i began by mounting the v6 ecu,you can just see it behind the carpet...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/nigv6ecufitted.jpg)

Ive spent most of today researching wires and doing detective work with the multimeter,it will be very easy to get this engine running.

Nigel and i have a bit of a secret side project underway on this car which will be revealed when its done,lets just say its never been done before but will be pretty slick."

let me guess you found this was plug n play too Paul

so this side project, anything directly to do with the V6? you cant say what you said and not let us guess a little bit

Ecu is definitely not plug and play.  s:cry: :cry: s:cry:  Lots of work!!
Guess away by all means, I'm sure Paul will tell the person who guesses correctly , that they are correct!  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Quote from: "loadswine"Nigel and i have a bit of a secret side project underway on this car which will be revealed when its done,lets just say its never been done before but will be pretty slick."

As if this thread needed any added suspense to keep us coming back. Looking forward to seeing and hearing this car running.

Chris

well there has to be some element of surprise on a build like this,it wouldnt be fun if you got to see it all in every detail...lets just say it will make nigels car very unique indeed and has never been done before to a raodster   s8) 8) s8)

a 4th cup holder?   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

damn you got it....we clearly need to think more outside the box with the mods  s:D :D s:D

A V6 engine in the front as well ????   s:D :D s:D

I heard a rumour it was dashboard clocks? What do I win?  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Quote from: "spit"I heard a rumour it was dashboard clocks? What do I win?  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

A nice Stack dash perhaps?

(http://www.brookecars.co.uk/images/stack_instrument_display.jpg)

Very nice, they start at £700!

Quote from: "loadswine"Very nice, they start at £700!

You've got two kidneys, you know...  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

You're a bad man Aaron!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

The clue is in the latest pictures, it doesnt have wheels anymore. The first ever hover roadster. And I have to say it looks good without them too.

 s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Traction / launch control?

A HUGE furry dice

A pressurised cabin so that Nigel can pick up his car and get back 'Darn Sarf' without the usual nosebleed?   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

A towing hitch, now he has the grunt to pull a caravan   s:?: :?: s:?:

Flinstone type pedals just in case

         Or

a Parachute for emergancy braking!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

A woodsport sticker??  s:) :) s:)

(i was hoping it would be a trd supercharger)

a push button start with smart card ignition

Gullwing doors!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Ejector seat?
machine guns?
bullet proof glass?
grappling hook?
TURBO BOOST?
a lazer?
smoke screen?
oil slick?
flux capacitor?
cloaking device?
something with BAT in the title?
Extra seats for a crack commando unit that was sent to prison by a military court for a crime they didn't commit?

Am I warm?

already installed all of the above custard  s:) :) s:)

One of those things that you link into the accelerator and a speaker that makes a "PISH" sound like you have a Turbo?

As long as the smoke screen and oil slick are not on full time.

i sincerely hope not!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Quote from: "Liz"One of those things that you link into the accelerator and a speaker that makes a "PISH" sound like you have a Turbo?

what one of these?
(http://www.stuandele.co.uk/mr2roc/dvs.JPG)

BTW Paul, i had an idea about your little problem and have passed details on to Nigel, in theory you can use the stock items then

haha lol custard

So I saw the video of the boosted mk2 you made. Is that what we might have in store?

What is the effect of having the turbo setup so remotely? if you dont mind my inquisitiveness.

Philster

Thats the baby Stu, love the front of the box - "No Turbo required"   s:D :D s:D  

I would personally string Nigel up if he had one of those!

I am going for a start button...already mentioned I know but I think that is a possibility.

remote turbo set up? there doesnt seem to be any ill effects really... boosts up like before...and no thats not what nigels getting....not a starter button either but good guess!

Ok I see where this is going. It must be a comfort mod.

Massaging seats?
Heated steering wheel?
Foot spa?
Microwave?
Double glazing?
A bed?
A double bed?
A double water bed with heat and vibrate?
A sauna?
Pimpstar wheels by Dub? (I'm sure the 22" ones will fit)
TV's in the headrests?
Hydraulics?
Underlighting?
Some sort of computor?
Pen holder?
Fax machine?
Bowling ball cleaner?
Roof rack?
Golf club rack?
Gun rack?
Spice rack?

Warm yet? I get the feeling Xzibit is gonna be invited to the hand back so he can hand loadswine his keys and send him on his was officialy pimped.

lol none of the above but as a clue it is a bit of a pimp mod

LED windscreen washers?
Furry Dice?
Spoiler?
Head up display?
Something shinny for the engine bay?

I hope I win a prize when I guess right.

lol i didnt say chav mod

It's a fine line between pimped and Chav'd.

One mans tricked out part is another mans "You actually paid someone to bolt that to your car!"

Have one question though. Are there plans to get the car weighed once it's finished? Would be very interested to know how it affects the weight distribition.

Quote from: "paul Woods"it is a bit of a pimp mod

Big Dutch hookers?

Or is that the wrong kinda pimp?

dutch hookers are an optional extra im planning as long as nigels missus doesnt mind   s:D :D s:D  

id say this car will weight within 20 or 30 kgs of what it did before,that turbo install it had fitted now sits in a big cardboard box which takes two people to lift.... so offset that against the extra weight of the v6 and id say there wont be much in it

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In red of course to match the car - hanging from the rear view mirror?

ok i'll come clean..... its a pair of hands with scissors and a brush that come flying out of the dash and give you a haircut while driving....

after all these are hairdressers cars   s:D :D s:D  

i'll get me coat....

<<shakes fist and comes running after you>>

(http://www.terranuts.com/forums/images/smilies/eek4.gif)

I'm sure we have all seen them before, but its these isnt it....  m http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb3THwZjnHY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb3THwZjnHY) m   s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

Already tried that one.

Phil, myself and Steve (my brother) all bimbled down to Woodsport today to take a look at loadsawine's car. And the engine and workmanship looks fantastic! Paul has done a fantastic job.

He started up a MR2 MK2 with a V6 Camery engine and a TRD supercharger and it sounded amazing! Proper low down rumble that steve said "you can feel it through your feet!"

Cheers for making us feel welcome Paul.

Alex

more than welcome here anytime lads

"I know the secret mo-d I know the secret mo-d!" :: Dances about ::

Collected 10.30pm last night, delivered 12.30pm today. Oooooh its going to be a good one!   s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:

A massive thank you to Phil for collecting the secret bit and delivering it to Paul. You should appear on the list of official credits for keeping the build on track!  s8) 8) s8)  
Nice one mate, I owe you big time for this one.  s:) :) s:)  
Glad Alex and Steve liked the thing in the flesh, can't wait till I do!

yes phil many thanks for collecting it from ann summers... now we just have to make it fit the drivers seat   s:D :D s:D

So it's a "driver locating pin"? (think about it, folks...  s;) ;) s;) )

That's one way of stopping yourself from sliding out of the drivers seat, I suppose!  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Quote from: "aaronjb"So it's a "driver locating pin"? (think about it, folks...  s;) ;) s;) )

That's one way of stopping yourself from sliding out of the drivers seat, I suppose!  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

A kinky persons CG lock ????  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

Well folks, as of 16.50 GMT...... ITS ALIVE!!  s:D :D s:D    s8) 8) s8)    s:D :D s:D    s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:  
I haven't heard it myself yet, but Paul says she's got a sweet sound on tickover, and no worries, he will post vid in due course.
Brill feeling this, the first V6 powered Roadster in the UK.
Yayy!!  s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:    s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:

Nice on Nigel - congratulations!   s:D :D s:D    Can't wait to see the video.

Great news Nige, can't wait to hear her in action!  s:D :D s:D

sweet, congrats, just don't make me want one  :-) :-) :-)

Quote from: "Liz"Nice on Nigel - congratulations!   s:D :D s:D    Can't wait to see the video.

Sod that - I want a go   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s8) 8) s8)  

Great news

So do I!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

FANTASTIC!!!  Thats great news!

Well done Paul.. and nice one Nige!!!

Nice one Nige; don't forget to pass by me on your journey home  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

That is gonna be a long day!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  
Just for info guys, pickup is on for 17th November, as the wiring still has to be finished. ( Paul fired up the V6 on about 5 wires to begin with, just to get it fired up and check for leaks etc)
Not a lot of progress today ,as Paul had to do a few other bits as well.
I am reliably informed that some vid will be posted up on Monday.
So the wiring and a host of little tidying jobs, plus the surprise bit ( no its not from any dodgy shop   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  )
Then all the systems will need testing to make sure they all work as they did before.
And then we're in business......   s8) 8) s8)    s8) 8) s8)

Quote from: "loadswine"So the wiring and a host of little tidying jobs, plus the surprise bit

Did he replace the airbag with a boxing glove ?

Well that would be a surprise.   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:   That's so Roadrunner!

ive fitted nigels shoes with acme jet powered roller skates,you cant beat a good roadrunner mod   s:D :D s:D

How exciting Nigel!

Don't forget that I bagged a little go in her too!    s8) 8) s8)    s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

No worries Sandi, You'll get a blast in it.   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  
 I'm going to try and let as many people experience the V6 as I can. It may take a while, but folks have been very supportive on this thread and I'd like to give them an opportunity to experience it in the flesh.  s8) 8) s8)

Anyone fancy some vid?  s8) 8) s8)  

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/th_DSC00017.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport/?action=view&current=DSC00017.flv)

Nice eh?  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Beautiful work. And hardly a twitch.

Oh man, that's a beast!   s:shock: :shock: s:shock:    s8) 8) s8)  

Simon

Sweet

Grats chap....and bloody good work by Woodsport  s:) :) s:)

Its alive!!!!  s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:  
Sounding great - credits to Woodsport - top job - when do you get to unleash it on the streets then!?  I know you mentioned the 17th November, but is it going to be earlier?

It'll be the 17th Liz, Paul will very likely have all the bits done this week, but we want to test everything thoroughly before sending it off on its maiden 350 mile journey.  s:) :) s:)  
That time will be useful if Paul encounters any snags at all.
Nearly there now!  s8) 8) s8)

Very nice; what does she sound like  s:?: :?: s:?:

Quote from: "heathstimpson"Very nice; what does she sound like  s:?: :?: s:?:

Turn up your volume on the vid above!

Quote from: "SimonC_Here"

Quote from: "heathstimpson"Very nice; what does she sound like  s:?: :?: s:?:

Turn up your volume on the vid above!

Ooops sorry work setting were on mute  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  Now that is nice  s8) 8) s8)

sounds fantastic, excellent work. looking forward to the uk tour.  s8) 8) s8)

Awesome, the beast lives and breathes  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

It's been great watching he progress.   s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:

Just a little update. The wheels are back on and the wiring is almost sorted.
Paul hopes to actually get the car out and do some testing tomorrow.
Testing the major systems like the ABS and power steering will be part of that, as the Roadster's systems are set up differently to the Camry and Mk1 and 2 MR2s.
The surprise bit ( which has taken Paul a lot of work) will also be tested.
Reveal on this soon.  s:D :D s:D

Quote from: "loadswine"Just a little update. The wheels are back on and the wiring is almost sorted.
Paul hopes to actually get the car out and do some testing tomorrow.
Testing the major systems like the ABS and power steering will be part of that, as the Roadster's systems are set up differently to the Camry and Mk1 and 2 MR2s.
The surprise bit ( which has taken Paul a lot of work) will also be tested.
Reveal on this soon.  s:D :D s:D

Hey, I'll be there tomorrow :: dances a little jig ::

Quote from: "evileye_xc"Hey, I'll be there tomorrow :: dances a little jig ::

Don't forget I'm not picking this up until 17th Phil!  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

I'll be there then as well for the 'Grand Opening'!

Bonnet pins today to stop the c/f flappiness

Now that sounds evil  s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D    s:D :D s:D  .
Wish I didnt have to work on the 17th or would have been there for the launch, gutted.

Okay, here is an update, including a vid to reveal the secret bit of the build that's been mentioned  s8) 8) s8)  :

Quote from: Paul Woodsits finally time to reveal the big secret mod ive been doing for the last 3 weeks on nigels car.... it has been done more out of necessity than anything else,there was no way we could get the mk3 dash to talk to the v6 ecu or engine...it speaks a different lingo and that lingo is OBD2!
 
So drum roll please...... here is what ive been toiling away on for 3 weeks... all hand made out of the original roadster binnacle and a total custom one off..... enjoy
 

I just love it!

That's horrible. I mean, honestly, Mika as background music...!   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  


I love it. Do I think it suits the car? Oh dear god no. Does that stop it looking absolutely the coolest thing I have yet to see in the '2? No chance.  s8) 8) s8)

So what do the displays on the right hand side of it, well, display?



*EDIT* Just seen the end of the video: See, Vauxhall do make all the coolest stuff...!  s:D :D s:D

Very cool... my dad's old Astra GTE had one of those   s8) 8) s8)

Dan, the right hand side is the tacho, left side display is for oil pressure, voltage, and fuel.

Crap, I meant left!  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:

I knew I knew! Good job I can keep a secret   s8) 8) s8)

that looks way better than i was expecting it to look Nige, 10/10 to Paul, that superb  s8) 8) s8)  


btw who's Johnny?

Cheers Stu.
Johnny, as in Johnnyg on TB.   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

All you need is a respray black, a wee red LED in the front grill and it could be a Knight Technologies prototype.

I always loved the Astra GTE dash, especially the rev counter   s:D :D s:D

Wowser!  s8) 8) s8)    Love that!  Good job.

that looks amazing, and to be honest I thought it would look very wrong (I can keep a secret too  s:) :) s:)  )but it looks very right!!! Beautiful  s:) :) s:)


Alex

Quote from: "MikeMr2"Very cool... my dad's old Astra GTE had one of those   s8) 8) s8)

It is definately a dash from the old Astra GTE isn't it Nigel  s:?: :?: s:?:  It does suit the 2 very well  s8) 8) s8)

thanks for the kind words chaps,yep its an astra GTE dash,i have one in my mk1 as well,it was the only way we could get the v6 to work,either this or a stack dash of some sort....the mk3 dash is obd2 compliant and will only work if you retain the original engine ecu...which we didnt have cos nigel had a power FC fitted.

Its taken 3 weeks to achieve this but i think it looks spot on myself....although if you see nigel talking into his casio watch and saying "kitt meet me around the back in 5 minutes" ... then please slap the back of his head   s:D :D s:D

 s:lol: :lol: s:lol:   I do have a Casio watch as it happens. I reckon I'll be hearing in my head when I drive it
 " Nigel, I don't think you should touch turbo boost!"    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  
Can't wait to see it in the flesh and drive it!  s:D :D s:D  

Massive thanks to Paul for all the work on this, way beyond the call of duty!

well what can I saw apart from Wow!

I've not been reading this thread up until now, but there has been some seriously impressive work going on - congrats to both paul and nigel!

It's been ominously quiet since thursday though - does that mean you've not picked it up, or you're just having too much fun in it out and about?   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Chris, car has been running for some weeks, just tweaking bits on the dash and stuff really.
In the end I couldn't pick the car up due to family issues that had to take priority. Carol and I are getting married on December 1st and with everything that needs sorting , plus a few other family things going on, I've had to ask Paul to look after it for me until December 8th.
Sorry to disappoint folks, but I had no other option. I'm itching to drive the beast, but have to give priority to my family bits.
Paul might be able to put up the odd bit of vid if he gets time in between all his other tasks.
I have to say that I'm totally chuffed with the whole conversion, Paul is the man!  s8) 8) s8)  
I'll have to work extra hard with pics and write up in a few weeks time.
  s:) :) s:)  
This is the final part of the puzzle for me to have the Roadster I've always wanted.   s:D :D s:D

Paul, just out of curiousity, is the digital dash conversion technically possible for the rest of us?

In a nutshell,no.... well i say no,it *could* be done but it would be very hard to achieve with the stock engine and ecu.... you would need to build a jaycar speedo corrector unit and borrow the speed signal from the ABS to get the dash working right speedo wise... you would also need to fit an astra oil pressure switch onto the engine and modify the fuel sender unit,which im still messing around with on nigels car,its the hardest bit!

So yes its possible but not very likely...oh i forgot the dash binnacle,add 2-3weeks work for that alone   s:D :D s:D

Another question if you don't mind Paul. Can't you piggyback the PFC to the 1zz ecu, so that the PFC will take care of the performance bit, while the 1zz ecu take cares of the auxiliary functions like gauges etc? That way, one won't have to swap out the stock dash.

I've no idea if the PFC can be piggybacked, so I'm just throwing out my idea.

problem is simon i dont even have the PFC! i had nothing to work from at all,thats what made this project such a challenge,id no ecus to piggyback or leave it situ,hence the dash conversion

I'm confused Paul. First you said Nigel's running the Power FC, and now you say you don't have the PFC?

Perhaps you mean you/Nigel no longer has the 1zz ecu?   s:?: :?: s:?:    s:?: :?: s:?:  

What ecu is Nigel's 2 running now?

I'm just trying to learn more here.

its running the stock ecu for the engine, not the PFC one

Quote from: "simontan75"I'm confused Paul. First you said Nigel's running the Power FC, and now you say you don't have the PFC?

Perhaps you mean you/Nigel no longer has the 1zz ecu?   s:?: :?: s:?:    s:?: :?: s:?:  

What ecu is Nigel's 2 running now?

I'm just trying to learn more here.

Originally Nigels car had a 1ZZ + PE Turbo + PFC.

Now it has (AFAIK) 3VZ + 3VZ ECU

The 1ZZ ECU was never with the car - Nigel bought the car with the PE kit and PFC already fitted.

thankyou aaron,that sums it up... so i had no ecu of any description to control the dash and the old camry ecu doesnt speak CANbus,so i had to convert the dash to something oldschool....now i could have grafted a set of mk1 mr2 clocks in there but the digi ones suit the car better

Quote from: "paul Woods"but the digi ones suit the car better

And look more Knight Rider   s:D :D s:D  

(I've always had a thing for old Vauxhall digital dashes - the one in the Carlton GSI was lovely too.  Spent a while trying to scrounge parts to put one in my old Renault 5 GT T in fact  s:) :) s:) )

we like old skool  s8) 8) s8)

I'm with you on that one aaron,i think they look the dogs bits

A big +1  s:D :D s:D

Just a quickie, Paul has officially named this swap the Mk3.6. No surprises there!  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  
I'm hoping that while Paul has the car sat up there at Woodsport, there might be a break in the weather and he can get some vid of it on the road.
Weather hasn't been too kind in that location htis week, i understand.

Right, have to focus on the next big event now, as Carol and I are getting married tomorrow. Let's hope for a window in the weather for that!  s:) :) s:)

Quote from: "loadswine"......Carol and I are getting married tomorrow.....

Congratulations and best of luck   s8) 8) s8)

Congratulations

(another good man gone)  s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:

hope you and carol have a wonderful day tomorrow...many congrats to you both

Lynne

Well, I picked this up from Woodsport today, would have got it sooner, but had to fit in getting married on 1st December!
We had a fantastic day today and Carol and I had the privelige of meeting up with  Phil (evileye) and Dr Alex, thanks for the lift guys, great having a mini meet, really made the day.  s8) 8) s8)  
I'll keep this brief for now, as I've just driven about 300 miles and I am full of cold and completely knackered, but good knackered driving this car!
A massive thank you to Paul for doing this swap with superb skill and attention to detail in every area. It is a superb achievement this, the first Mk3 V6 outside the US to run and the only customer Mk3 V6 ever and
the only 3vz-fe mk3 in the world! :shades:
This thing absolutely rocks ( I will post vids in due course, weather was awful today).
When I originally talked to Paul about doing the mk3.6, I sent him a few clips of 1970 era Ferrari Dinos and said that's what I wanted it to sound like. ( I set him a few tall orders and he delivered on them all, plus a few we hadn't seen coming!)  It sounds like one of the Dinos and then some.When this thing gets past around 4k it absolutely wails!!!  s8) 8) s8)    s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:  
I only did this when nearer home Paul, so don't worry.
300 miles on its maiden voyage and it didn't miss a beat.
I did say just a few words, but can only end this post with the word that sums this conversion up....... WOW!
Thanks Paul!   s:D :D s:D  

An added bonus coincidence, just got off the end of the M23 and who should come round the corner behind me but Stu ( Kanujunkie), you couldn't plan this stuff!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Was fantastic to meet you two - and thank you very much for taking me for a little spin in your new MK3V6 lol...

What a fantstic animal... when you put your foot down it really sounds like youve got an angry tiger held up in the back! Absolutley amazing.

AND the torque! I'm going to call "claims direct" for my wiplash!! lol

Nigel, thanks very much for the burger and cup of tea, much needed after the arctic conditions in Paul's garage (even though the lady serving you couldnt understand your accent)

Paul has done an excellent job, and is a complete perfectionist!

Best phrase of the day though was Nigel who said "Don't worry, I'm not Northernist"  classic!!!!

Phil is getting ideas already... (and I need more power too lol)

Alex

It has been a pleasure reading this thread and seeing the whole thing through - and I really can't wait to see it in the "flesh" so to speak.  Nice on Nigel, well done to you and Paul for seeing this through to what sounds like a brilliant conclusion!   s:D :D s:D

Nice one Nige, glad it's come together for you. I must admit it's something to consider for the future - but not in my my current car, to much history, it's in the same league as my Spit.  s8) 8) s8)  

I might consider it for an older model later, I fancy a full blown track car but not sure yet.

If you are ever up around our area, I wouldn't mind a quick run in the beast  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

It's been a great thread.

Rob.

Thanks guys for the encouragement on the way.
Here are a couple of little vid clips that I shot yesterday at Woodsport with the car ticking over and then with Paul reversing it out of the garage.

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/th_P1000101-1.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/?action=view&current=P1000101-1.flv)

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/th_P1000105-1.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/?action=view&current=P1000105-1.flv)

The weather was too naff to do any more by the time we got it outside, but I will shoot some and post up.  s8) 8) s8)

A haha, seen that pic of me on photobucket. It was bloody cold standing around at the garage!

Nice looking engine bay as well

I took the car out for a little spin this afternoon and shot a few bits of vid with the phone, apologies for the quality and they aren't edited, but they give the general idea, oh and sound of course! lol
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/th_22122007028.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/?action=view&current=22122007028.flv)
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/th_22122007029-1.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/?action=view&current=22122007029-1.flv)
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/th_22122007030.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/?action=view&current=22122007030.flv)
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/th_22122007031.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/?action=view&current=22122007031.flv)
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Hope you like them anyway!

Damn that sound gorgeous....I am very jealous.

was that the begginings of Nigel about to giggle like a little girl at the end of that third video?

reminds me of this one   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:   m http://www.mr2roc.org/Repository/misc/Nigelwed/ncwed6.mp4 (http://www.mr2roc.org/Repository/misc/Nigelwed/ncwed6.mp4) m

Yep! Teehee!!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  
This thing certainly inspires the giggle reflex!

I laughed at your Wey Hey!!  sounds gorgeous Nigel - nice camerawork by Carol as well.

Thanks Liz, I'll pass on the credit to her!    s:) :) s:)

Makes me smile just to hear that roar   s:D :D s:D  so gawd knows what its like to actually be in the car that makes that noise!!! bloomin brilliant I should think!!!

Lynne

That does sound sweet indeed Nigel  s8) 8) s8)

Another little vid clip. I'm putting these up , cos when I was researching, there was not enough vid around to give an indication of sound etc.
This is just a gentle jaunt along a country road , just burbling along.
My son, Dave is actually driving and I did the vid.
 (http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/th_sillycat.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/?action=view&current=sillycat.flv)
I'm getting a bit more confident with it now that the roads are dry, and my goodness, it really hangs on, especially as the rear suspension is a little higher now and the front a little lower. Balance is better than before somehow and it isn't upset by bumpy roads as much. It all feels nicely planted.

Just in case anyone out there likes a bit of vid, Carol shot some today when we were out in the lanes of Sussex.
I'm loving this version of the Roadster, it just makes me smile all the time and it really steers on the throttle, as Mark commented when he drove it last week. I wish I could have got some when he was driving, but it was mainy dark at the time. His chickling was something special!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/the%20red%202%20on%20days%20out/country%20roads%20Horsted%20Keynes/th_P1000020.jpg) (http://s50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/the%20red%202%20on%20days%20out/country%20roads%20Horsted%20Keynes/?action=view&current=P1000020.flv)

well about time I posted my thoughts having covered a coupel of hundred miles in her last weekend (cheers Nige  :-) :-) :-) )

this has to be teh best roadster I have ever driven

instant power all the way to teh red line

smooth as butter


sounds like a Dino, no boom, no resonance just quiet as a mouse when cruising, but when you get on teh power oh my god teh noise is beautiful

Looking forward to driving this to the event shamelessly plugged below;

Some Spyder owners arrange weekend 'meets' at a cold wet field;
MR2-ROC owners do it on the Beach!
(http://www.agni.gr/gallery/members/Agni/MR2/MR2%20Greece/Kaminaki%20Beach%20%20Corfu.jpg)

Some Spyder owners arrange 'meet' and drive boring motorways;
MR2-ROC owners do it on the Twisties!


(http://www.agni.gr/gallery/members/Agni/MR2/MR2%20Greece/who%20is%20going%20first.jpg)

Some Spyder owners go away for the weekend and sleep in tents;
MR2-ROC owners do it in Luxury accommodation!

(http://www.agni.gr/gallery/members/Agni/MR2/MR2%20Greece/bella_mare_corfu.jpg)


Come and join the MR2-ROC owners club 'Blat to the Sun', you're invited!

http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19951

Please come along for this trip , it should be absolutely brilliant, treat your other halves/ significant others to a trip they'll love too.  s:D :D s:D

Well, quite a few people have asked how much weight gain is involved in the swap. I finally managed to get the car on the weighbridge today.
Same machine as before, though the lad working the figures took the reading while I was still in the car.
This means I have to admit my weight in public.  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  
Well, to give you the maths, total weight 1140Kg ( me and 2)
My weight ( with safety shoes on!) 92 Kg
Now the weighbridge is accurate to the nearest 20kg, I am told.
So logically take 100Kg off for me, which leaves an approximate weight
for a 3VZ-FE equipped Roadster of ........... 1040Kg
Weight when PE turbo powered................. 1000Kg

So a gain of 40Kg, not bad i think.  s8) 8) s8)

thats sod all difference Nige, interesting, i thought it would be a lot more

I guess its about the same as having two large bags of sand in the engine bay. Very nice sounding sand of course.

Very surprised by this  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

And given the +/-20kg error you could argue that there's no difference, although you've put on some ballast since getting married matey  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  
*runs'n'hides from the big scary man*

I WANT ONE !!!!![/b]

I have gone on a diet you know!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  Trying to shift some ballast, teehee!
 I was surprised. The reading was definitely 1140 , I saw the figures come up, unless that didn't include me after all, but then I can't believe it would have added 140Kg, that is a heck of a lot.

And the extra weight (well the bit contributed by the engine  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  ) is right on the axis of turn so makes little difference to the balance anyway.

Chris

Having now seen this project completed, admiring from a far the quality and craftmanship of woodsports finest engineers i would love to bestow on of my famous and also an extra special gold star.

(http://users.skynet.be/hendrik/Images/Mongolia/Mong-goldstar.jpg)

for engineering above and beyond the call of duty.

and nigel, one for you for the vision and the 'what if' thought processes behind this installation. i know that many of us are in complete awe of what has been achieved here and you are one lucky bunny.

(http://ww2militariabuysell.homestead.com/files/goldstar1.jpg)

medals 'r' us

E

Yay! I have an Enid gold star!! Mightily pleased with that mate. I owe you one test drive in a V6 then!  s8) 8) s8)

Quote from: "loadswine"Yay! I have an Enid gold star!! Mightily pleased with that mate. I owe you one test drive in a V6 then!  s8) 8) s8)

Its quite an exclusive club  s:) :) s:)  lol

Quote from: "loadswine"Yay! I have an Enid gold star!! Mightily pleased with that mate. I owe you one test drive in a V6 then!  s8) 8) s8)

your on !

i just wanna listen to it all day.

i wonder if halfords will ever come up with a similar device like the electronic BOV, something like a V6 emulator, so i could sit there in a small 600cc car and have it sing like a bird.....  tablets wearing off.

  s:D :D s:D

Bit of an update here,nige's car is back at woodsport for some "enhancements" some of which will be revealed soon,however i have turned attention to his gearbox and given him the holy grail of NA boxes... first of all i stuck a mk3 Torsen LSD unit into it...

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport3/13032009101.jpg)

...and then for good measure stuck the corolla diesel 0.73 5th gear set in with late type synchros....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v624/paddy1970/woodsport3/13032009102.jpg)

This in my book is the perfect NA box now,rapid 1-4 and a lazy 5th with LSD thrown in that only becomes an LSD when you boot it.

The other "enhancements" will appear on this thread in due course.

In other news we have a new website now   w www.woodsport.org (http://www.woodsport.org) w

thats where my diffs went then  :-) :-) :-)

one of them   s:D :D s:D  the other is in my v6 powered mk1   s:D :D s:D

glad to see they all fitted as planned

sometimes you just have to take a ount at something,sometimes it works sometimes you end up spending a fortune and getting nowhere

Thanks for sorting this part of the build Paul, much appreciated mate.
I'm so pleased with this. Its now just the box I always wanted.  s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:    s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:   Should help a treat with putting the power down in slower corners, amongst other things, and a more relaxed fifth gear cruise as well.
Mark, that LSD came from Stu.

oh yeah thats right,this is the LSD you supplied nige! i forgot!

Ah ha. Nice to see your finally getting a LSD. Have to say the idea of a long 5th is great. Wouldn't mind that in my box.

Ditto on that Rob, nice work there Paul. Hmm would the standard roadster benefit from something like this, should the gearbox becomes fubarred?

Not sure if the internals will fit the Roadster box, but the interchangeability of Toyota bits is astounding. Paul has pored for many hours over electronic parts catalogues to find the information on the fifth gear set that he has put in my Mk2 NA box, and a couple more he has done. Who would have thought a humble 99 Corolla diesel would have exactly the right bits we were after?

Go on Nige/ Paul - What else you putting in?! I've read your musing over supercharging over at twobrutal Nige, did you bite the bullet?  s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:

Quote from: "loadswine"Not sure if the internals will fit the Roadster box, but the interchangeability of Toyota bits is astounding. Paul has pored for many hours over electronic parts catalogues to find the information on the fifth gear set that he has put in my Mk2 NA box, and a couple more he has done. Who would have thought a humble 99 Corolla diesel would have exactly the right bits we were after?

The 99 Corolla diesel - fogotton hero  s:) :) s:)

@ Innocent, I will reveal exactly all the details when we know exactly what's going in next. TBH, we are not 100% sure exactly the configuration of "bits". You're right though, I have mused on the SC.
I do have some bespoke head gaskets going in though and uprated ARP head bolts.

@Alex, yes, good old Corollas, gotta love the Toyota parts bin. This is pretty recycling at its most fun!  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Quote from: "loadswine"Well, quite a few people have asked how much weight gain is involved in the swap. I finally managed to get the car on the weighbridge today.
Same machine as before, though the lad working the figures took the reading while I was still in the car.
This means I have to admit my weight in public.  s:oops: :oops: s:oops:  
Well, to give you the maths, total weight 1140Kg ( me and 2)
My weight ( with safety shoes on!) 92 Kg
Now the weighbridge is accurate to the nearest 20kg, I am told.
So logically take 100Kg off for me, which leaves an approximate weight
for a 3VZ-FE equipped Roadster of ........... 1040Kg
Weight when PE turbo powered................. 1000Kg

So a gain of 40Kg, not bad i think.  s8) 8) s8)

Hi N! so by my calculations a 1MZ would weigh less than a 3VZ and subtract about 20Kg's for my weight, I should have no weght difference  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:  
Almost ready to fit my 1MZ in  s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:   probably start the project end of the month....been tooo long in the waiting!!!!

Quick question...

The thing that would put me off putting a V6 into my mk3 is that the engine would be older. I know I could get one with good miles etc etc, but it would be older all the same.

What year did they run up to?

all alloy 1mz would be the same age or thereabouts as yours

I've never worried about the age of my engine, just its health. Thankfully Toyotas engines of the 3VZ and 1MZ periods were very well built and designed, much better than some of their more recent efforts.

Yeh I know I shouldn't worry about the age thing, but the whole reason I sold the mk2 for a mk3 was to keep everything new...makes no sense as a good older engine would be just fine, but it's just me being paranoid!

Anyways, it'd be interesting to see how a V6 mk3 copes against a V6 mk2 for comparison. With basic head work etc, a mk2 V6 will keep up with a stock rev1/2 turbo JUST (iirc).

Don't spose you've had quarter mile times or anything simple?

No Mark, not had it on a dragstrip, and can't see myself going for that. I may stick it on a dyno at some point though just to see some figures for interest. Subjectively, its about as quick as a TTE turbo or a PE turbo. Some of the more powerful cars like the C2 turbos  will have more after the legal limit maybe, but its very very driveable. That wouldn't show on a dragstrip, but it suits me.
 Various facts and figures have been bandied around in bits of jousting I've seen on other forums, but I don't have anything to add to that.
Oh, and the noise is pretty cool too!  s8) 8) s8)  I'm looking forward to trying mine out with the upgraded gearbox package.  s:) :) s:)

Quote from: "loadswine"Oh, and the noise is pretty cool too!  s8) 8) s8)

I'll verify that! Sounds awesome; wish my car could be made to sound like that, especially in an alpine tunnel!

Jason

Quote from: "muffdan"

Quote from: "loadswine"Oh, and the noise is pretty cool too!  s8) 8) s8)

I'll verify that! Sounds awesome; wish my car could be made to sound like that, especially in an alpine tunnel!

Jason

+1
...actually +10000000

This thready canny inspired me to get mine done. On the waiting list (have been for 3 weeks), so fingers crossed it'll be done towards the end of May........!

Good for you matey. Its even local for you. Bonus!!  s:D :D s:D

Aiye, only about 10 miles away!  s:D :D s:D

Just to round this thread off, I did actually stick it on a dyno at the weekend.

The figures probably don't rank in the pub boasting bracket, but reflect how useable and driveable the whole package is.
Bearing in mind this is likely to be the only 3vz-fe roadster ever, as folks now opt for the lighter and slightly more powerful 1mz-fe.
It gives a flavour of the wide torque spread particularly, which is what makes it so much fun to drive.
Headline horsepower is more than stock, but in the TTE and PE turbo ballpark.

(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/IMG_0001.jpg)

and with AFR displayed
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Fuelling is a bit rich in the upper reaches, but this is on the stock Camry ecu, originally designed for an auto box to boot!
I do have a Walbro pump which may run the injectors at slightly higher pressure.
Something to address another day.   s:) :) s:)

Looks like a nice spread of torque and a nice result. You must be pleased!

Any thoughts on the dip at 4000rpm?

I was very surprised to see that the headline figure was almost exactly the same as the results I got on my PE turbo conversion and thought I'd post them here for a comparison for those that are interested in the difference. I guess the key difference is that the 1zz PE needs revving more to make the same power (at the low boost levels that I run anyway).

(http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w285/Captain_Vimes/mk3%20mr2/power--lambda.gif)

I wasn't surprised at all really, as I was running a chargecooled PE turbo on my car pre V6. That made 198 or so and 188lbft, though the torque was not as instant. This conversion is not about outright horsepower, I've always thought that, its about torque spread and driveability.
The feature at 4000 rpm is where the ACIS cuts in. It feels a little like the VVTI on the 1zz, only amplified. Makes a smashing howl when that happens.
The PE is one of my favourite turbo setups though, as it gives good driveability due to its fast spool up.

Nice figures, Nige...!  s8) 8) s8)  

Proves that all the guesstimates are about right, then..?

I'll be sticking mine on the rollers when I've got everything tickety-boo, just for reference......and when the Megasquirt 3 is fitted.........!  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

I don't think I'll bother S/C-ing it, TBH........

I'd rather put the money into a set of Teins or TRD Sportivos......  s:D :D s:D

That's a fair shout Greg, spend the cash upping the handling to the next level, always a good idea.

Are you definitely going SC Nige?

Yes Greg, the guestimates weren't far off. It all ties up with my experience of it on the road and in company with other cars I know about, so kind of in the TTE turbo ballpark, but with a 6 pot soundtrack and instant torque.
 The handling is pretty important with all these cars at increased power levels. I have that pretty much taken care of with chassis bracing, suspension and stuff so not much more to do on mine.
I would like a slicker changing gearshift if I'm honest, but the package is excellent overall.
For the fuelling, Johnnyg recommended one of these  m http://www.aemelectronics.com/engine-ma ... r-f-ic-12/ (http://www.aemelectronics.com/engine-management-9/fuel-ignition-controller-f-ic-12/) m
its a piggy back unit, not a bad price either and in answer to your question Olie, I might go SC, depending on when the kit is released by Paul.
Question, do you reckon that little unit will take care of things with the centrifugal SC?

Just in case anyone was looking at this thread in the past week and saw nearly all the pic links not working. Paul Woods had his photobucket account hacked and some malicious plonker removed all his pics, did the same on Youtube as well.
Photobucket have managed to restore his pic links again, so they are now back on this thread. Paul's vids are still AWOl for the time being, but I think my ones near the end should still be okay.

Yes, I know I don't own this car any more, but the reference may be interesting for some.  s;) ;) s;)