Quite a few people have asked for a build thread on this as they are not members of Two brutal, where I normally reside, so here's an abridged version.
Firstly I got hold of a fire damaged shell to see if it would work as a conversion, before cutting up a perfectly good Mk3.
So i started with this:
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Engine and box out and theres a nice amount of space
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/Subarupaul/033.jpg)
Cutting through the Firewall locates engine position
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For the engine to fit
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I guess I should say the engine is the 340hp unit from the Audi S8 and box is from the Audi 2.5 tdi, I previsouly mocked up how it would fit together, after getting a Ferrari f360 back box for it.
Theres been a lot of custom parts to manufacture including the flywheel, CV joints, driveshafts, petrol tank, engine mounts, subframe, centre exhaust pipes as well as access panels and front subframe and etc etc.
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The whole package fits in quite neatly, with the exhaust almost being made for to measure:
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/Subarupaul/036-Copy.jpg)
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The modified driveshafts and CV joints
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Making space for the gearbox was a tricky thing this is the start of the extra bracing to keep it all in the right place
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jesus christ is all i can say lol.
I've said it before over on TB, but this is totally awesome Paul. I have to have a ride in this one day. s8) 8) s8)
Beautifully done job, particularly like the way it fits right inside the luggage lockers - imagine the fright it wold give a customs officier searching your car. Amazed it fits so well in an MR2. Two questions
1. Have you actually driven it?
2. How do you change the spark plugs?
(Edit due to comprehension difficulties s:oops: :oops: s:oops: )
But I see your point - Not much access for maintenance
Quote from: "cclarke99"Beautifully done job, particularly like the way it fits right inside the luggage lockers - imagine the fright it wold give a customs officier searching your car. Amazed it fits so well in an MR2. Two questions
1. Have you actually driven it?
2. How do you change the spark plugs?
it's still about 60 hours of work to do, which is getting tricky as I've just had a baby girl ( well the wife has) so time is at a premium. In relation to spark plugs I've built in an access panel at the top, so i can do service jobs, should be able to do all the regualr servicing items in situ
Quote from: "kentsmudger"(Edit due to comprehension difficulties s:oops: :oops: s:oops: )
But I see your point - Not much access for maintenance
Just enough to do all the basic jobs, belts, plugs, oil, filters, thermostats and pumps
Epic build,really pushing the boundaries. s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Just sent this to my brother in law - he's an Audi fan (drives an A8 diesel) and we've not had much in common car wise until now. How does the gearing work out with the diesel gearbox and the smaller MR2 wheels?
awesome!
Does the roof still work?
Impressive build that should result in an impressive drive. Will be interesting to see how you manage the rear crossmember to get it suitably rigid.
Chris
Whats the heat like in the cabin?
Quote from: "Ilogik"Whats the heat like in the cabin?
I'm guessing he'll always be warm in there! No need for the heaters ever to be on full blast!
Great looking build! Something I never thought could be done in a roadster!
And congratulations on the baby girl! s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Wow, that engine bay is fuller than a fat womans shoe!
Amazing project. Must be quite an experience to drive
Muchos Kudos s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Wow, so a V8 will fit. Just s:D :D s:D
With the engine located longditudinaly it will actually cool better than the transverse engines as long as there is somewhere for the heat to escape as it comes up and out of the rear of the engine/gearbox.
With a good flow of air through the engine bay, unless you're sitting in heavy traffic there's no reason it should get that hot.
The gearing should be pretty interesting, 3.50 1.89 1.32 0.87 0.67 0.56, which equates to top speeds in gear of....51,94,134,204,264,316 s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
, becuase its a diesel box, its geared quite tall compared to a petrol box, but with it being driven by the V8 you get the high rpm limit, although smaller whels might be useful ! s:D :D s:D
Currently the subframe is located in two dimesions, X and Y, but I need to add bracing for the Z dimension to make it stable.
Roof still works and I'm putting in a viewing window, to look down through and ito the engine bay.
I think it'll be a great pie warmer back there, although I have just cladd the whole engine bay in reflective sound proofing to try add a little bit of civility.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/Subarupaul/P1000726.jpg)
I may have mentioned this before over on TB, but I am really looking forward to seeing this run down the strip. s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
I guess I should get off my ass and post my build up here too now s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
very mesmerising thread. proverbial hat tip to you.
Quote from: "grsymons"I guess I should get off my ass and post my build up here too now s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Yes Gary, you should mate!
Well that's just ridiculous... s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
EPIC.
Hats off to you for doing it. I'd love to know what the cost per BHP is at the end of it. s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "custardavenger"Hats off to you for doing it. I'd love to know what the cost per BHP is at the end of it. s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "muffdan"EPIC.
Probably answers it accurately.
Chris
You'd be surprised again, think the ballpark figure of home build was around £5k.
Over to Paul...
For the 360 bhp I'm looking for at the moment its running at £4.5K so thats about £12.00/ bhp, that does include £1000 for a DTA ecu, which you could get away without using and kepng with the stock ecu.
The upgrade path is pretty exciting tho....assuming the thing works in teh first place ! s:P :P s:P
She will be amazing to drive and with a v8 sound track what more can you ask for!! :-) :-) :-) it's gonna have that grin fact the moment she fires up!!
Wow! A lot of hard work gone in to this. Well done. Hopefully we will get to see some videos of this on the strip (with sound).
Cheers Fella's
Obviously had to move the fuel tank forward so I've recreated one up front, using an external walbro but the original sender and pipework, the tank is liquid sealed, baffled and foam filled for fire protection.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/Subarupaul/P1000825.jpg)
I've also improved the brakes, I'll start with the grooved discs with ebc pads and then go up to the carbotech pads and then to multi-pot if theres not enough efficiency.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/Subarupaul/P1000807.jpg)
I've also put in a new rad and some extra bracing,
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this is the custom flywheel, coming in at 8Kg instaed of the original 16Kg for the dual mass.
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LOL that rad looks far to familiar.
Have you found the bleed valves yet?
Dear Father Christmas.
Quote from: "uktotty"LOL that rad looks far to familiar.
Have you found the bleed valves yet?
s;) ;) s;) whose do you thnink it might be ???
Quote from: "s12vea"She will be amazing to drive and with a v8 sound track what more can you ask for!! :-) :-) :-) it's gonna have that grin fact the moment she fires up!!
TBH when it fires up it actually makes me physically jump, its so crisp and loud and thats at about 1000rpm, god knows what 7000rpm sounds like !
I guess its due to having a un restricted exhaust system thats only 400mm long and staright itno the Ferrari exhaust unit, which is chambered !
Quote from: "Paulm"Quote from: "uktotty"LOL that rad looks far to familiar.
Have you found the bleed valves yet?
s;) ;) s;) whose do you thnink it might be ???
Well its not the Koyo so looks like the 2fast2crap version which doesnt fit????????????
Quote from: "uktotty"Quote from: "Paulm"Quote from: "uktotty"LOL that rad looks far to familiar.
Have you found the bleed valves yet?
s;) ;) s;) whose do you thnink it might be ???
Well its not the Koyo so looks like the 2fast2crap version which doesnt fit????????????
Hmmm, this one does so I guess its not either s:?: :?: s:?:
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Is that not the standard rad Paul? Looks awfy thin.
No Ollie, I think thats just the anlge of the photo, IIRC its about 2" thick
and does it have bleed valves?
Does now s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Paulm"No Ollie, I think thats just the anlge of the photo, IIRC its about 2" thick
Tres wierd, it looks like it's got the black plastic ends in that pic too.
It's exactly how i'll be doing mine with an ebay el cheapo and welding a lug on for a bleed valve.
Heres a comparison beween the two
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and probably a slightly better image of the alighment when fitted.
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/Subarupaul/P1000814.jpg)
Also had a chance to machine up a breastplate, which fits well
(http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f228/Subarupaul/MR2%20V8%20build%20diary/P1010014.jpg)
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Aklso finished some of the wiring now so the engine starts on the key !
Got the front end finished today and tidied up, so its nice to see sections of the car being completed.
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Any chance of posting up a video to hear it turning over and at idle please? s:) :) s:)
Looks awesome btw! s:) :) s:)
Theres an early one on you tube, but I'll post a new one as I've altered the exhausts since
Paul where are you with this conversion?
Liking the fuel tank in the front, very Muira, careful the nose has enough weight with light fuel to let you steer! s;) ;) s;)
Epic build btw.
Good grief! Can't wait to see (and hear) this beast run. Do you know what the final weight will be?
(Jaw drops to floor)
Don't want to be a software test engineer anymore ... I want to be a mechanic and build cool stuff!
How have I not read this? Brilliant work so far, want to p/x? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Hi All,
Nearly done, got to pick up a new driveshaft on Tuesday, re-bleed the clutch and then we're underway.........The unfortunately i'll be selling her as I need the money for another project s:? :? s:?
in weight terms I'm thinking i'm adding about an extra 100kg, which is sort of like a fat mate sat in the car, all the weight is inside the wheelbase, so not expecting too much change in balance although , the changing weight of the fuel tank up front, might take some getting use to s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
Ok Paul, I've got a spare £2k you can have for it! Bet it will go and sound superb!
Quote from: "ChrisHumes"Ok Paul, I've got a spare £2k you can have for it! Bet it will go and sound superb!
With £2K, it depends which 1/4 you get as to whether it'll go and sound great s:D :D s:D
nice reply! are you going to do a 0-60 test and a few videos once finished Paul?
Certainly, I'm not too far from the pod, so it'd be rude not to...time permitting
Mmmm really wishing i had £8000 right now!
Any updates on this...?
sorry posted in error :-) :-) :-) wrong thread
Quote from: "stargazer30"I'm tempted to get one of these. Anyone used this type of brace vs the SP brace that goes from sill to sill vs just the centre tunnel? I'd be interested to see if the centre braces are nearly as good as the SP ones.
That's what I'm wondering!
Holly cow that awesome dude you are the man and how can you build your own Ferrari eater and just sell it my god id sell a ball for a 900kg car with a v8 id say its nuts
makes me think what on earth the next project you have in mind could be
Was this fantastic project ever finished?!
+1 to that question...
Ditto
Some project! Can't help but wonder how all that engine weight affects the handling balance, but nevertheless!
I suppose it is academic now, as we don't know exactly how it turned out, but don't forget the weight would have been more evenly spread than in a normal installation due to the north south arrangement. I have had a 2 with a heavier engine and it really doesn't make that much difference.
Quote from: "loadswine"I suppose it is academic now, as we don't know exactly how it turned out, but don't forget the weight would have been more evenly spread than in a normal installation due to the north south arrangement. I have had a 2 with a heavier engine and it really doesn't make that much difference.
Fair enough, just seemed a hell of a lot of engine going on! Would love to have a go in it if finished though, must be rather torquey!
Hi. Just to keep you all informed. I have now bought this project and should have it all completed by Mid August.
Dropping the engine next week to make sure all is OK with the mechanics. This will then all be put back together and shipped off to RaceTech in Sheffield on 27th July for them to build a new wiring loom for the aftermarket ECU and tune it on their rolling road. All it needs then is an MOT and it's away.
I'll take some more photos etc and drop them on here over the next few weeks - Hopefully the odd video link when it's on the rolling road.
First time I'd seen that! Brilliant I really hope it gets finished
EXCELLENT!
Good to hear this is going to be finished.
Hope it goes smoothly and you are driving it soon.
With the standard motor producing approx 340bhp we are having a fast road ECU setup we feel we should be in the 370bhp area.
This coupled with the gear ratios should come out at a 0-60 of about 4sec and a 0-100 in around 8.5sec. With the launch control (part of the ECU setup) we would be looking for a sub 12sec 1/4 mile.
Will look forward to seeing and hearing this one!
Glad someone has taken over the project s:) :) s:)
Much insanity.... s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Fantastic stuff.
Quote from: "Raw"Hi. Just to keep you all informed. I have now bought this project and should have it all completed by Mid August.
Dropping the engine next week to make sure all is OK with the mechanics. This will then all be put back together and shipped off to RaceTech in Sheffield on 27th July for them to build a new wiring loom for the aftermarket ECU and tune it on their rolling road. All it needs then is an MOT and it's away.
I'll take some more photos etc and drop them on here over the next few weeks - Hopefully the odd video link when it's on the rolling road.
Any reason why you chose Racetech Motorsport?
Best of luck with the plans.
I called the company who made the aftermarket ECU supplied with the car and they were one of the 2 companies closest to me who could undertake the work. After a conversation with both, RaceTech understood what I had and what I wanted to achieve. They do 50 of the same ECUs every year, so for them this is run of them mill stuff.
It would be great to see it running and hear the noise, the only ones I have seen are the motor installed, never actually being driven!
Are you going to stick with the original gearbox choice? I have looked into this sort of swap before but been put off by the impractical gearing. Of course, compared to a standard mr2 it'll still be lightning fast, but I'd want to unleash the full potential of the package!
Looking forwards to seeing this running whatever your choices are mate!
I remember reading this on IMOC, I was loving it up to the point the crossmember had a huge section cut out of it. Do you have any pans to re-design that?
Quote from: "Escy"I remember reading this on IMOC, I was loving it up to the point the crossmember had a huge section cut out of it. Do you have any pans to re-design that?
I remember him redesigning the whole thing and building an entirely new spaceframe/subframe.
Quote from: "jonty"Are you going to stick with the original gearbox choice? I have looked into this sort of swap before but been put off by the impractical gearing. Of course, compared to a standard mr2 it'll still be lightning fast, but I'd want to unleash the full potential of the package!
Looking forwards to seeing this running whatever your choices are mate!
We are going to stick with the existing gearbox to start with and see how it practical it is.
Quote from: "Raw"We are going to stick with the existing gearbox to start with and see how it practical it is.
Looking forwards to how it turns out, good luck!
exciting stuff, I look forward to your updates and to seeing in on the road.
When it has its MOT, brake testing equipment weighs the car front & rear (if you asked the tester to kindly step out each time) would be interesting to see the F/R weight distribution s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Raw"I called the company who made the aftermarket ECU supplied with the car and they were one of the 2 companies closest to me who could undertake the work. After a conversation with both, RaceTech understood what I had and what I wanted to achieve. They do 50 of the same ECUs every year, so for them this is run of them mill stuff.
Sounds good. They also do good fabrication work by the way. Expensive but very good. Best of luck with the build. I'll keep an eye on it s:) :) s:)
This is now up for sale on EBay!
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Anyone up for a challenge? s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown: s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
I wonder how he solved the problem of cutting the cross member in half, a crucial piece of metal for holding the two halve of the chassis together and locating the suspension at the back?I can just picture the V8 pushing the back wheels and taking each side of the car in opposite directions.
I dont think this is ever going to be done properly.
Shame.
From the pictures, the small issue of the fuel tank not being there might cause some concern too. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
£1000 and no reserve. Bargain! s:-| :-| s:-|
Fuel tank is in the front Stu s:) :) s:)
s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Hi I'm new can anyone tell me why this car has been sold again
Quote from: "revamster@gmail.com"Hi I'm new can anyone tell me why this car has been sold again
It appears to b a perpetual project.
It takes a vast amount of time, money, and expertise to get a project like this on the road and even moreso fully exploitable.
There are very few people with the energy to complete it, IMO. Who knows where it will end up.
Anyone no what's left to do to finish this car
You buy it by any chance?
Yeah but not picking it up tell 20 th feb
Quote from: "revamster@gmail.com"Anyone no what's left to do to finish this car
Yep, starting it is probably a good place to getting along the lines of finishing it. All from scratch.
It's a tremendous project, but there are a number of things that are very wrong with it. For example, the crossmember is not something that I think many people can say is acceptable, something needs to be done with it to fit the engine in, but where it is currently welded, very interesting to say the least.
I forsee... another ebay advert in the near future...
Thought so, I know it's been running before but the lack of subframe is what i think the main issue is. Best to speak to Paul at woodsport as he started the whole thing.
Quote from: "JoeCool"I forsee... another ebay advert in the near future...
Yeah maybe I can't make any promises am just going to put it im my garage and have a go
Quote from: "rbuckingham"Thought so, I know it's been running before but the lack of subframe is what i think the main issue is. Best to speak to Paul at woodsport as he started the whole thing.
Thanks bud
It would make a very interesting car once done. Nothing that can't be done if you have the skills. Are you a mechanic by trade? If so shouldn't be too hard. Obviously there is a lot to consider and not easy by any means. But the reason I ask is because for an enthusiast like myself (although I know a fair but) it's a massive undertaking. You would need good tools, good fabrication skills and to be able to weld at a minimum.
I bet you could pull wheelies in that if you finish it!
Quote from: "CrazySX"It would make a very interesting car once done. Nothing that can't be done if you have the skills. Are you a mechanic by trade? If so shouldn't be too hard. Obviously there is a lot to consider and not easy by any means. But the reason I ask is because for an enthusiast like myself (although I know a fair but) it's a massive undertaking. You would need good tools, good fabrication skills and to be able to weld at a minimum.
No I'm an electrician by trade but did train as a mechanic and do it as a hobby now but I can weld. Like I said I will just have a go
Quote from: "revamster@gmail.com"Quote from: "CrazySX"It would make a very interesting car once done. Nothing that can't be done if you have the skills. Are you a mechanic by trade? If so shouldn't be too hard. Obviously there is a lot to consider and not easy by any means. But the reason I ask is because for an enthusiast like myself (although I know a fair but) it's a massive undertaking. You would need good tools, good fabrication skills and to be able to weld at a minimum.
No I'm an electrician by trade but did train as a mechanic and do it as a hobby now but I can weld. Like I said I will just have a go
I think all of us are gunning for this to happen. So we will support you best we can. Anything u need, just shout!
Quote from: "rbuckingham"Thought so, I know it's been running before but the lack of subframe is what i think the main issue is. Best to speak to Paul at woodsport as he started the whole thing.
Email wood sports today and they said its nothing to do with them not sure if the email when to Paul himself and maybe it was a privet project but it's nothing to do with woodsport
Try this
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Well I finally got it on Monday it was waiting for me when I got home.
Flat tyres wires hanging out the bottom it's a bit green on the out side and a bit dusty on the in side.
This cars not been looked after since poul first sold it.
Get a garden hose on it. U will soon see the light s;) ;) s;)
Yeah that's the easy bit
It might be a bit early to be thinking about it but can I swap the clocks for the mrs clocks that go up to 180 mph?
Is it a striaght swap or not
Its plug and play