My oil light flashed on quickly today while I was under some heavy braking. I checked the oil after leaving the car standing for a few hours, and the level seems to be very low. It had an oil change about 3000-4000 miles ago (when the bottom end was replaced), the car shouldnt be going through this much oil should it? Its not leaking anywhere, and I cant smell it burning anywhere.
Im a little worried due to the problems with the bottom end before. Once again, any advice would be appricated
I had a similar start to recent problems. I had done about 3000 miles after a full oil change at service and noticed the oil light coming on. I had already been aware of how sooty the exhaust pipes were and also was due to get a noise checked out at the dealer that I at the time thought was the clutch. Anyway it is in with the dealer at the moment and the initial diagnosis was that the piston was rattling about in the first cylinder indicating excessive engine wear. I should learn more tomorrow as they were due to strip it down today.
Anyway....back on track...
If you have had the bottom end changed before I would get it straight back into the dealer for a check over - what went wrong before?
Quote from: "Sam"If you have had the bottom end changed before I would get it straight back into the dealer for a check over - what went wrong before?
Because the dealer is in London, and im now in Swansea s:( :( s:(
Still I guess you must have some paperwork, or at least they might have it on their database.
I just changed dealer - and it has so far been a breath of fresh air - don't know why I spent so much trouble at the previous one.
Other than that I take it engine sounds normal - no other symptoms?
check your pre-cats
Quote from: "markiii"check your pre-cats
Really!!! Why ??? Has this been documented somewhere before?. I've searched but the million threads that i read from the replies made me think that i'm unique with this problem. s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Seriously, this engine is not the best. Many now have no oil by the end of the week. Keep vigilant and you'll save alot of money. If you've no warranty left now then join the pre-cat destruction team.
historically on SC major oil loss has been a sudden symptom of engine failure. Though I don't know anyone in teh Uk who's had teh problem appear quite that way. yet.
nothing definate but worth a check.
Quote from: "markiii"historically on SC major oil loss has been a sudden symptom of engine failure. Though I don't know anyone in the Uk who's had the problem appear quite that way. yet.
nothing definate but worth a check.
jonboy?
ben?
Tem?
The list goes on.....
All have suffered sudden major drops in oil level, followed by engine replacement (well most of them except jonboy who is missing the engine replacement bit s;) ;) s;) )
Quote from: "SteveJ"Tem?
Yeah, sure sounds like it... s:? :? s:?
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
hmmm this aint good
Someone recommended to put in some Slick50 just to see if it slows down the oil loss, but i dont know if its worth it.
Quote from: "markiii"check your pre-cats
Yep i echo that statement. Good luck mate, hope its nothing to serious
slick 50 is a bad idea.
I meant no -one in the UK had had major oil loss as the primary symptom.
however I had forgotten the rather obviosu Jonboy situation.
noteto brain, plase co-operate when typinng s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
My first "real" symptom was a major loss of oil:
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The sound I got was barely hearable with everything off. Even the "noise" from the heater/blower was enough to cover it.
When the car goes back to toyota to get the TTE dual sorted, i'll have them looked at, why should I be checking the pre-cats (just want to know what to tell mrt) should I gut them?
not wishing to start a re-run of previous threads but in short.
high oil consumption can be attributed (not always) to oil getting past the rings. Short of a ring failure one cause is material from breaking up cats being sucked back into teh cylinders and scoring teh bores.
if your out of warranty gut them
if not get Mr T to check them regulalry and doscument what they find on your service record.
I know we dont want this pre-cat thread to grow, but can I ask jsut 1 more question, if the bores are alrady scored, then there is nothingI can do to fix that?
in short correct. under warranty they would replace the short block.
first need to identify if the cats are at fault, and take action to prevent them getting worse, then see if you continue to loose oil.
Quote from: "scottee"I know we dont want this pre-cat threat to grow, but can I ask jsut 1 more question, if the bores are alrady scored, then there is nothingI can do to fix that?
There's no easy cure...but I've been thinking about this, if I ever run into this problem again:
m http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_toyot ... e_kit.html (http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_toyota_1zz_fe_big_bore_kit.html) m
My plan is to get a full tank in and see how quick is disappers, tem, how long did it take for you to clear a full tank?
Quote from: "scottee"tem, how long did it take for you to clear a full tank?
Full tank...you mean the oil level..?
Quoting myself from another thread:
Quote from: "Tem"The next thing I notice is loss of oil, which also very suddenly turned black. Lost about 0.5l within 50km and it turned from "newlooking" to black. And got a definite loss of power as well. No signs of white cat particles on exhaust, or big white smoke, but everything else matches... s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Sorry yea, a full oil level. I dont think mine is loosing it anywhere as quick as that, like I said in anotherpost the level dropped over about 4000miles, im praying its not the bores now. I'm hoping its the rings, atleast my dads mate can sort that for me. God I love this car but its a PITA.
My pre-cats are comming off this weekend!
don't panic, if the cats are ok, your probabkly alright.
what oil are you using?
IIRC, the manual says that it's ok to lose up to 1l/1000km of oil...
right now i've filled it with about 1ltr of Halford 5/40w fully synthetic oil, because its what I had in the garage for my 306, I thought Halfords oil is better than no oil at all, until I coudl go get some today. Im open to suggestions to what oil to get, because im getting it right after work
I have nothing against halfords.
the biggest piece of advice would be avoid Magnatec like the plague.
I'd also probably got for a higher weight oil. Probably a 15 W but certainly a 10 at the least. I'm runing 15W50 Mobil 1 at the moment.
theres a whopping great thread in maintenanice on oil, worth a read.
Thanks mark and the rest of you. I think I owe alot of people alot of beers on the next meet s;) ;) s;)
There's no easy cure...but I've been thinking about this, if I ever run into this problem again:
m http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_toyot ... e_kit.html (http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_toyota_1zz_fe_big_bore_kit.html) m
QuoteLike TEM , I've been looking at going this route as a winter project, not sure how much this would be to do all in ,remembering there must be some electronics to add for the engine management system.
This might give those of us with older 2s the chance to have an engine we don't have to worry about. Has anyone tried this kit at all?
sorry about last message guys, wrong bit in quote box.Scottee hope it turns out not to be a problem, I have heard some engines do use a bit of oil when new or refurbed. My diesel Multipla used a lot when new, but after a severe 33k miles hardly uses any now.Hope this is helpful.
I don't see why you would need extra electronics with that kit...the ECU just measures the air going to engine from MAF and adds fuel accordingly. Pretty much like improving the flow with intake kit and exhaust..
You could be right Tem, hadn't thought of it like that. With a bigger bore, do you think the mapping would change at all? Guess the oil consumption might improve.
Well its been 2 days and 250-ish miles and the oil level is holding, its only dropped a tiny little bit, only time will tell. Pre-cats are being checkde/gutted next weekend when im off
Quote from: "Tem"I don't see why you would need extra electronics with that kit...the ECU just measures the air going to engine from MAF and adds fuel accordingly. Pretty much like improving the flow with intake kit and exhaust..
You are right Tem , you wouldn't need anything extra,but a piggy back ECU would get you the extra hp that you could easily get with those internals..... Anyway you've got a FC still, haven't you?, so you're sorted. s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"Anyway you've got a FC still, haven't you?
Yeah, haven't installed it yet though...
(still waiting for the Commander AND having major issues with the engine)
Your not having the best of luck are you Tem. s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Anyway look what i've just bought m http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/ebayISAPI.dll? ... 2474431213 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2474431213) m
Add this m http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_toyot ... e_kit.html (http://monkeywrenchracing.com/mwr_toyota_1zz_fe_big_bore_kit.html) m
And this m http://monkeywrenchracing.com/crower_bi ... zz_fe.html (http://monkeywrenchracing.com/crower_billet_connecting_rods_toyota_celica_gt_mr2_spyder_1zz_fe.html) m
And you'll have no prise for guessing what i'm up to next.
PLEASE NOTE... I have no problems with my engine at all. This is purely a project that i started, was going to stop and get a Boxter instead, but was talked out of it (thanks Darren s:? :? s:? ) And now i'm back on track.
The broken engine is perfect for getting it all ready then swapping them when the time is right.
That was exactly what I was thinking of doing,only I hesitated due to minimal funds at the moment. Good luck to you ,let us know how you get on. How much were the big bore bits all in?
Well done Ian good find......... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Happy birthday for Tomorrow......... s:D :D s:D
s:oops: :oops: s:oops: Why thankyou. Strange day when a birthday present to myself is a engine!!
Quote from: "loadswine"That was exactly what I was thinking of doing,only I hesitated due to minimal funds at the moment. Good luck to you ,let us know how you get on. How much were the big bore bits all in?
Not ordered the big bore stuff yet, i'm taking it slow, the ebay auction only ended tonight. I'm going to get it and strip it, and start a photo shoot of the breakdown of the engine components. Including before and after head porting and polishing and how thin the original connector rods are compared to the billet ones. Then the rebuild and swap. Hopefully it may be of some help to others.