Hey everyone, been a viewer/member for a while but haven't posted much. Thought I'd start a build thread...
We've owned our MR2 roadster for about 4 years now. Its a 2002 blue pre face lift, It's been my girlfriends daily driver and she does a lot of miles! We've enjoyed two trips to France in it and it's been an absolutely fantastic car, loved by us both.
But unfortunately we have ended up with a Roadster which is pretty much immaculate and meticulously cared for, but pretty much worthless with 140k miles on the clock.....Given the choice of selling it for pittance or keeping it in the garage and playing with it, she said we could keep it and track it! s:D :D s:D
How it currently looks :
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What it's been replaced with;
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The two together!
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It's handy having a girlfriend who likes her cars as much as I do, although it's a bit odd to be the one with a sensible car in the relationship (a BMW 118d!!)
This was supposed to be a cheap hobby but as you can tell, it already isn't!
So the starting plans for the MR2 are as follows;
Interior;
- Strip out non required interior trim, rear buckets etc
- Sparco Steering Wheel & Boss (on order)
- Track dedicated drivers seat, remove passengers when not required
- Harness
Chassis;
- Tein Springs (to start with!) (on order)
- Front upper strut brace (on order)
- MattPerformance under brace ... Need to order this
Wheels;
- 16" Rota (waiting to pick up)
Brakes;
- Hawk performance front pads (on order)
- EBC Yellowstuff rear pads (on order)
- Braided hoses front & back (on order)
Engine;
- mkiii intake pipe (got to fit)
- k&n filter (on order)
- decat manifold (Che from eBay) (got to fit)
That's it for now, as you can see I've got some work to do over the next month or so...along with an ongoing house renovation so I hope I get time!
I'll take pics along the way and keep this thread updated with pics, track day videos, the highs and lows!
Future plans include coil overs, front and rear anti roll bars, and hopefully 2zz engine ... Albeit longer term (18month?)
Thanks for reading!
The 2 looks great. Totally your choice but I never understand why people strip it. If you kept the interior you could still enjoy on the road too!
Your call and glad to see you still love it s:) :) s:)
Looking forward to the thread, oh and with the exception of stripping your spec is pretty much the same as my car which is still a joy on the roads s;) ;) s;)
It's a good point, just for power to weight really. I guess it all adds up to quite a lot of weight.
Yeah, you have a point - every little helps!
Enjoy the build s:D :D s:D
Interesting little project, I'd love a track '2 if I could justify it. s:) :) s:)
Are you getting a hard top?
Might be worth considering as it stiffens everything up (and gives you a bit of debris protection should anyone/thing get a little bit sketchy).
Andy
It been on my mind & have considered it, but not short term at least.
I have started with a completly standard car as it sits now.. then each bit will be done slowly to see what difference it makes.
I notice i wanted a little more poke on the straights
first i did tyres before first track day
next will be strip all weight not needed (interior) see what difference it makes and go from there, rather then big spends out, makes it a lot cheaper hobby then s:) :) s:)
I don't need to drive it daily as i have my ST focus, which is epic road car so i don't mind loosing the interior of mine
I'll still use it on the road but don't expect it to be comfortable...
But i do wand to remove the soft top and fit hard top and rollcage, but all in the future
great thread will be watching with interest and see you on track soon s:P :P s:P
I did the same as you but got impatient s:D :D s:D
I don't mind comfort ( or lack off) - this is a third car and will be rarely used on the roads.
Yours too, hopefully join you soon
yeah this is the 3rd/4th car depending where you put the mk1
so comfort is not paramount, i just have to be able to take my little girl out...
only worried about takeing carpet etc out will affect it gettign damp inside?
I pulled the floor carpet and it was soaking underneath so binned it, my car looks like it always leaked from somewhere under the windscreen, my fix was drilling a drain hole on the path the water ran, problem solved :-) :-) :-) . I kept the rear fire wall carpet as it was silly noisy with it removed.
I think I will be stripping out the carpets, every little helps s:) :) s:) thanks for the heads up on the rear carpet though. I've emailed the guy about the rear harness bar, he said he'll check the price and get back to me. Thanks for the info on that.
Right, well, first night working on the car tonight, but things didn't really go to plan s:( :( s:( Plan was...
1) Fit Manifold - spent about an hour trying to get heat shield bolts out heads totally shot. Finally managed but then thought if I've had that much trouble with the shield, what chance to I stand with the head studs! That'll have to be one for Matt to tackle, because if it goes pear shaped I don't have the equipment to sort it out!
2) Fit mkiii pipe - DONE!
3) Fit k&n filter - DONE!
4) Offer up tow strap to rear - Couldn't really find a good point to mount the tow strap, with access to tighten a bolt so will have to stick with the OEM tow eye
5) remove all frunk plastics etc and offer up battery relocate - All seems straight forward, but I think I'll get a proper battery tray and bolt it down, to ensure its secure.
As you can see i really didn't get much done, but I had fun messing about in the garage on the car, so I'm not really bothered because I am under no time restraints!
Now to speak to Matt regarding that under brace and fitting my manifold s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Right, well, first night working on the car tonight, but things didn't really go to plan s:( :( s:( Plan was...
1) Fit Manifold - spent about an hour trying to get heat shield bolts out heads totally shot. Finally managed but then thought if I've had that much trouble with the shield, what chance to I stand with the head studs! That'll have to be one for Matt to tackle, because if it goes pear shaped I don't have the equipment to sort it out!
2) Fit mkiii pipe - DONE!
3) Fit k&n filter - DONE!
4) Offer up tow strap to rear - Couldn't really find a good point to mount the tow strap, with access to tighten a bolt so will have to stick with the OEM tow eye
5) remove all frunk plastics etc and offer up battery relocate - All seems straight forward, but I think I'll get a proper battery tray and bolt it down, to ensure its secure.
As you can see i really didn't get much done, but I had fun messing about in the garage on the car, so I'm not really bothered because I am under no time restraints!
Now to speak to Matt regarding that under brace and fitting my manifold s:) :) s:)
1) i had trouble and ground off my heatshield bolts..
used some penetrating spray on manifold bolts, came out easy, it was the bit i was worried about too
2) whats mkiii pipes?
3) top job does it sound good? panel filter or induction, surely induction will just give noise that why i am going panel
4) yeah i had same problem, make sure you put towing eye at front thats where they prefer it..
5) i thought if you remove the plastics you end up with big hole for air to come in from underneath and lift the front (i.e. didn't think it had a floor?)
keep up the updates s:) :) s:)
Not a bad pair of cars on the drive s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "chris3boro"Not a bad pair of cars on the drive s:) :) s:)
thanks...but both are actually my girlfriends s:) :) s:) I've got relatively boring (although very smooth and Efficient) BMW 118d
Plus I get to thrash the MR2 as a track toy s:D :D s:D (when I get it sorted!)
118d isn't a bad car either- you have it made s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
No massive updates unfortunately, been busy, but making slow progress.
Exhaust system off the car now, awaiting new manifold studs and nuts from CTP to refit manifold and a new decat pipe.
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I'm waiting for delivery of the hawk ceramic pads, and my braided hoses...the hoses are made but pads coming from USA via Clark Motorsport. Once they arrive I will fit the new rear calipers (one is seized), new hoses and pads all round. Will also fit the tein springs at the same time. Should be a long day!
Picked up the Rota wheels from Nathan, very nice they are too! Shod in Ad08s so I'm thinking I need a baffled sump now too s:( :( s:(
Had to do some work on my 118d this week too, discovered I had a swimming pool In the back so had to strip everything out to dry it all. I've found the source of the leak so can get that sorted, Also need to replace the thermostat as it's sticking and I'm only getting about 42mpg because of it!
Also got a long weekend to do DIY, it's the GFs dressing room this time around (yes she has THAT MUCH STUFF)... So the MR2 is playing 3rd fiddle at the moment s:( :( s:(
My mate is taking his R33 Skyline GTR to Bedford on 17th March, would love to get it ready to join him...Need to sack off the DIY and pull my finger out s:D :D s:D
keep up the good work, the manifold looks nice there matey
don't forget if you get bored sat pop over to beford
Have you got the harness bar in yet or going to paint it up 1st? My comment above about the noise when stripping out bins etc behind you see where I'm coming from after a ride in mine? :-) :-) :-)
Chance would be a fine thing....Smoothing and sanding walls all afternoon!
I may paint it actually, that's a good Idea, just satin black or something.
Update on the car, yesterday I ended up removing the whole exhaust system and have refitted the lot with a decat pipe.
My next job is to strip the interior, fit my new seats and harnesses, along with the nice new harness bar.
I did like the way you have kept the lower shelf part of the rear bins, I think I'll try that first and see how I get on.
To be honest if mine sounded as good as yours I'd want to hear it all though s:D :D s:D
I have castle combe booked for end of april is ya fancy it..
few of us from imoc going
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Thanks Pete that's a little more achievable to aim for. I need to mount the seats too so need to get some brackets made up. Currently looking for a local fabrication shop as I have no metal work equipment at home
Fed up of seeing the car in the garage looking unloved so I've taken the day off tomorrow and aim to do the following
1) fit new Rear brake calipers
2) fit new rear pads (yellow stuff)
3) fit new braided hoses all round
4) fit new front pads (hawk performance carbon composite)
5) fit tein springs
6) finish stripping interior in preparation for my rouge Motorsport seat mounts
7) fit Matt performance under brace
s8) 8) s8) fit front upper strut brace
9) oil filter and oil change
10) spark plug change
11) remove soft top assembly ready for hard top (if I get time...doubt it)
Lots of pics on their way tomorrow s:D :D s:D
Not the most productive day, bit frustrating, here's some of the bits I wanted to get fitted
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I tackled the rear calipers first, the drivers side was sticking so it needed replacing but I bought a pair to be sure everything was ok.
First problem, handbrake pin was well and truly seized. Tried all the tricks I could find on this site which resulted in this;
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So out came the old faithful
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New pins please! s:( :( s:(
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Next problem, the sticky caliper was well and truly stuck, I can't separated the top slider from the caliper carrier. After hours of soaking, up & down wiggling I gave up and moved on, I will try and separate it at work tomorrow.
Passenger side was a lot easier, so fitted new caliper, EBC pads and braided lines, then dropped the shocker and fitted the tein spring.
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Went back and tried the drivers caliper again for another hour, gave up and fitted the tein spring.
Next I fitted the front Hawk pads braided lines and top strut brace. No issues here, all went fine. Took about 1hr 30 mins to do the front;
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Went back and tried the drivers caliper again, gave up and took it off.
Next finished stripping the interior, fitted my harness bar ( thanks to Steveb) and my OMP braces
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Put the wheels back on and lowered her onto the floor, have to fit the rear caliper another day then bleed the system,
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Now tucked back in the garage ready for another full days work. Waiting for some seat mounts from rouge to fit my seats and also need to fit my Matt performance underbrace.
Coming on nicely chap.
Like the wheels a lot. s:) :) s:)
After about 8 hours of soaking in plus gas (my new best friend), some heat, a sturdy vice and about an hour of back and forth motion, finally managed to get the carrier off the caliper. No wonder it was sticking on and eating pads!
Came home and mounted it all back on the car.
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Bit of a milestone really, need to bleed brakes this weekend and then she is ready for MOT
Quote from: "Alex Knight"Coming on nicely chap.
Like the wheels a lot. s:) :) s:)
Thanks, I'm a bit of a fan too, looking forward to trying the Ad08s too s:) :) s:)
Thanks to graham for delivering, (gmt1972) I now have a hard top s:) :) s:)
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Got the brakes up and running today, fluid flushed with new and then bled. Yet to try properly as car has no MOT or insurance!
Awaiting new pins for handbrake to finish the brakes off.
Fitted Matt's underbrace this afternoon, much lighter than expected, nice bit of kit.
Also fitted resistors to my seatbelt pre-tensioner plugs and airbag light went off.
Nearly there!! s:D :D s:D
Looking really good buddy..
few extra bits there i want to do to mine..
the hartop and harness and underbody brace.. but as and when with mine really, don't want to spend money on it as its just for a laugh
hope to see you on track soon, got blyton on friday
Yeah the seats and harness I got for a bargain from eBay locally for cash on collection so pleased with that!
The hard top was something I was thinking about...I sold some stuff I had Which covered the cost of it so it didn't really "cost" me anything if that makes sense.
I'm considering castle coombe at the end of April
do it :0... ill be there.. looking forward to it never been there before..
It's my current plan, fingers crossed I can make it. I'm sure I'll be able to spot who you are to come say hello! s:D :D s:D
yeah you may notice my car s:) :) s:)
my mate will be there in his mk1 supercharger too
Haven't touched the car this week but my drivers side seat mount arrived from rouge Motorsport. Passenger side still being manufactured ( the normally only sell drivers side for obvious reasons)
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Had a hectic weekend helping at our friends florist (Mother's Day is one of the busiest weekends for a florist) but made the most of the extra hours light this evening, whipped the bumper off to fit my tow strap.
I also plastidipped the front lower bumper lip, I saw a pic of a car done and quite liked it. Beauty with plastidip is that it simply peels off if/when required.
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Pins for handbrake cables arrived this week (thanks to CTP) so need to fit those, get the seat fitted and book an MOT for the weekend s:D :D s:D
Had the day off work today so I spent the morning working on the car.
First of all removed the complete soft top assembly....wow it's a lot heavier than the hard top!
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I then whipped the rear bumper off to fit the rear tow strap
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As I was doing this the postman came and handed me my new steering wheel (thanks petej) so fitted that along with the MOMO boss
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I also managed to finish my seat mounts which I bought from rouge and mounted my drivers seat. Still awaiting passenger brackets, but that will be easier because I won't be using runners/sliders for that seat.
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Fitted handbrake pins so handbrake is functional and put the original number plates back on - it's had my partners cherished reg on it for the last 4 years so blew the dust off these ones!
I now need to work out what to do with the soft top assembly and work out how to separate the brackets for the harness bar and roof mounts etc from the frame.
I've been looking at gauges - specifically oil pressure and temperature. Am thinking about making a pod for the top dash cubby hole, but I've seen this which is a neat solution ; (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/03/ny9ajyna.jpg)
I may get one of those and be done with it. Not sure where to mount a single gauge though.
That first illusive track day is getting closer!
Got the car started up yesterday for the first time in a few months! Drove it on my private road and noticed the brakes still need a little more bleeding, maybe I'll do it with the engine running (abs pump activated) to ensure all air is out.
Noticed the steering wheel wasn't dead straight, so removed it to straighten and in doing so, broke the spirol cable ... Replacement from eBay on its way!
Will need to get the cat fitted and then take it for mot, hopefully early next week.
Note to anyone interested, Halfords doing half price MOTs at £27 at the moment s:) :) s:)
I have to ask about the harness bar. Was this a custom built thing or a DIY? Read a few threads and was gonna buy the tue and knock one up. But just want extra info really.
I actually purchased it from SteveB on here who had it made my nickson Motorsport. It's T45 tube welded onto the original tube's mounts. That way it mounts directly as the original did.
If you retain your soft top then you will also need to mount the bracket for the soft top latch. Or if like me you remove the soft top, the mount for the latch makes a great camera mount s:) :) s:)
Car is looking good dude s:D :D s:D
What track day are you doing?
Thanks Vinny!
Hoping to go to Castle Coombe 28th April but running out of time to get everything sorted!
Cheers s:) :) s:) next step...harness bar s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks Vinny!
Hoping to go to Castle Coombe 28th April but running out of time to get everything sorted!
I've been looking at doing that one too.. Be a good chance to run in my new engine I reckon.. Once I've picked it up, removed the temp engine and fitted the new one s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
And I thought I had a lot to do! Good luck!
There are a few people from here going so it might be good.
I'd like to see how my car is and hopefully come away with a better idea of what I need to do next. Bit of a shake down session I guess
Quote from: "dan944"Cheers s:) :) s:) next step...harness bar s:) :) s:)
Your welcome s:) :) s:)
Finally ready for MOT! A mate let me down on MOTing the car with the decat pipe, so had to order the seals to refit the cat pipe from CTP...next day delivery very impressed I must admit.
Had a second crack at Bleeding the brakes and they seem 10 times better, got a bit of air out so I think that's sorted now.
Fitted my stable facelift side vents....and gave it a quick clean!
Emptied the inside of all the crap, and going to book an MOt for this week
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Looking good chap.
Cheers Alex. If pass the mot this week ill book onto castle Coombe Monday 28th
MOT booked Friday 18th s:) :) s:)
awesome work..
gies you 10 days to get to castle combe s:) :) s:)
Yep...fingers crossed for Friday!
Just had an email via Rouge, passenger seat mounts now on their way so all things going well, should be able to take passengers at castle Coombe too s:) :) s:)
All looking good :-) :-) :-) . Did the Rogue mounts come with the side mounts or just the strips for side mounts to mount to?
Yes they come with the side mounts too Steve. £89 each I seem to remember. Nicely made and not too heavy.
thanks for that was about to pm how muich were they...
It's been delivered to work but I'm off untill Tuesday...I'll take some pics for you guys
And it's a big fat fail s:( :( s:(
Handbrake has no reserve travel....basically the handbrake lever was too high, what a load of crap!
Hard luck mark. Hope it gets through soon.
Did you ever hear back from Hurley about the sumps?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"And it's a big fat fail s:( :( s:(
Handbrake has no reserve travel....basically the handbrake lever was too high, what a load of crap!
Any adjustment left?
Quote from: "Alex Knight"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"And it's a big fat fail s:( :( s:(
Handbrake has no reserve travel....basically the handbrake lever was too high, what a load of crap!
Any adjustment left?
I'll have a look tomorrow, just going to check on here if there are any special tricks on these cars.
Quote from: "mattbrown82"Hard luck mark. Hope it gets through soon.
Did you ever hear back from Hurley about the sumps?
Hi mate, yes - he says he can do something. He has Vinnys old 1zz sump, I just need to send him a 2zz sump (I don't have one yet!) to find out if there are any differences. Seems willing to help and is sure he can baffle it for far less than the current products available.
Attempt number two coming up ! Booked the retest for this afternoon, lucky they had a space.
Good to go! Handbrake adjusted and passed MOT!
Not driven it for further than 100yds since December so was good to take the scenic route home. Car felt good, suspension tight and nice grip from the tyres. Looking forward to pushing it a bit soon!
Also finished the girlfriends dressing room (don't you just love long weekends) so I'll be able to do the following this week after work without grief! s:D :D s:D
To do ;
- Oil and filter
- Spark plugs
- Decat refit
- Wheel alignment
- Refit small steering wheel
- Book Castle Combe s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "mattbrown82"Hard luck mark. Hope it gets through soon.
Did you ever hear back from Hurley about the sumps?
Hi mate, yes - he says he can do something. He has Vinnys old 1zz sump, I just need to send him a 2zz sump (I don't have one yet!) to find out if there are any differences. Seems willing to help and is sure he can baffle it for far less than the current products available.
I recall reading a thread which said the 1zz sump could be modified to fit a 2zz. I'll try and find it and post the link. Could make sourcing the sumps a bit easier.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Good to go! Handbrake adjusted and passed MOT!
Not driven it for further than 100yds since December so was good to take the scenic route home. Car felt good, suspension tight and nice grip from the tyres. Looking forward to pushing it a bit soon!
Also finished the girlfriends dressing room (don't you just love long weekends) so I'll be able to do the following this week after work without grief! s:D :D s:D
To do ;
- Oil and filter
- Spark plugs
- Decat refit
- Wheel alignment
- Refit small steering wheel
- Book Castle Combe s:D :D s:D
Good going. No worries for another year.
Quote from: "mattbrown82"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "mattbrown82"Hard luck mark. Hope it gets through soon.
Did you ever hear back from Hurley about the sumps?
Hi mate, yes - he says he can do something. He has Vinnys old 1zz sump, I just need to send him a 2zz sump (I don't have one yet!) to find out if there are any differences. Seems willing to help and is sure he can baffle it for far less than the current products available.
I recall reading a thread which said the 1zz sump could be modified to fit a 2zz. I'll try and find it and post the link. Could make sourcing the sumps a bit easier.
That would be useful...if you can, thanks
The below thread shows the modification to the 1zz sump.
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Hope it helps.
Steve, pictures of passenger mount with side mounts.
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Quote from: "mattbrown82"The below thread shows the modification to the 1zz sump.
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Hope it helps.
Thanks I'll have a read tonight s:) :) s:)
so you booked combe then??
Bad news...no!
I found out (say found out, Its been the same date for the last 59 years) its my mums 60th on Monday so expected to go out with them for a meal in the evening, So CC is out of the question on Monday (they are 2.5hr drive away from me!).
Also realised its still SORN, so need to tax it and no point doing that now - I'll pay for the full month but only get the last couple of days! Hadn't considered this.
Finally, since the MOT I haven't touched it, still need to do the oil service & plugs, and get the alignment done. Busy with work and DIY at home.
HOWEVER.....Good news is that I have booked and paid up for Brands Hatch evening Thursday 22nd May with Opentrack - only £85, bargain.
No real work carried out on the car recently, but been using now and again to bed in brakes.
Must say the car seems to have plenty of grip, the under steer seems far better than it used to (ie non existant).
Booked two track days, May 22nd @ Brandshatch and July 19th (Toyota day) at Blyton via the threads on here.
Trying to find a way to getting good audio from my in car camera, without buying a go-pro!
I'll have a look for those bolts tomorrow dude.. I took the seats out a while ago tho
I'm thinking of trying one of these as I don't really want the expense of a go pro either
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I got a dog cam from lotus on track £150 works well.
Quote from: "vinp182"I'll have a look for those bolts tomorrow dude.. I took the seats out a while ago though
I'm thinking of trying one of these as I don't really want the expense of a go pro either
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Thanks that'd be great. God knows what I've done with them but it was months ago when I took all the seats out s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "steve b"I got a dog cam from lotus on track £150 works well.
Steve is the sound ok with that? Where/ how did you mount it?
The problem I have is the camera I bought is a good picture but sound seems to suffer from vibration transmitted via the mount to the camera.
Tried it mounted on the rear view mirror and on the harness bar (utilising the soft top catch mount point) but same issue both times. Really disappointing!
A work colleague is going to lend me his go pro to try and I'll see if I think it's worth the money
I mounted it to the harness bar with a rubber mount LOT supplied, it comes with 2 different end caps one with holes other without, you can also control sensitivity of the mic so bit of playing round should be able to get it spot on.
1st track day in the MR2 .... Tick!
Good time was had at brandshatch, I learnt a lot but also have some questions.
The car was amazing actually; I thought I would really struggle with pace (engine wise) but actually it wasn't all that bad. Still going ahead with the 2zz over the winter, but not as desperate as I thought I would be.
We had a big downpour half way through the track time and the MR2 felt as though it was on ice. Not sure if I need to adjust tyre pressures or what but I really struggled. Resulting in a spin and trip across the grass once :/
It may be also wheel alignment ; I took it to be adjusted but they couldn't free up the rear adjusters on the subframe; anyone have any helpful hints?
I will post some pictures when they become available and videos from the gopro (which was excellent by the way) when I've edited them.
Had some Porsche drivers and a few others come and mention how quick the mr2 was, genuinely surprised and impressed.
Pics and vids to follow s:D :D s:D
If you can get tue size and length i might be able to get some stainless ones from work.
Looking forward to the pics s8) 8) s8)
Would be interested in joining you if you do a similar session at brands again s:D :D s:D
I think I will do another, good value well organised...plus free drinks and doughnuts s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "tomaky"If you can get tue size and length i might be able to get some stainless ones from work.
Sorry I don't understand! Please can you elaborate ?
Some pictures from opentrack's Flickr site;
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That is a VERY nice looking track car, the wheels really help set it off too! How do you find the whiteline ARB's by the way?
Doh! Just noticed they are on your to do list!
Yeah as you say I haven't fitted any yet, hoping to get some this year but I will need to cut the drop links off so its not a job I'm looking forward to!
First video
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It's pretty slippy at brands when wet...
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You found a good spot to look at the scenery!
All good learning when it's slippy like that.
Looked like a great session, in those sorts of muggy/ wet condiitons it can get very slippy on line! Whats next for the car?
It was good fun I must admit!
Next up is adjustable rear arms and a nice track focused alignment.
Wasn't planning on it, but my rear adjuster bolts are seized so taking the opportunity to upgrade!
Arms ordered thanks to Graham (GMT1972) once again!
Also ordered all new nuts and bolts at an eye watering £105 (for a bunch of bolts) but want to make my life as easy as possible when fitting. Ideally get someone else to do it but matt hasn't replied and there aren't any local garages I know / trust to do it.
aiming to have it done for Blyton track day in July, and hopefully have a day / evening in June to try it all out first
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"We had a big downpour half way through the track time and the MR2 felt as though it was on ice. Not sure if I need to adjust tyre pressures or what but I really struggled. Resulting in a spin and trip across the grass once :/
I had exactly the same problem mate, and for me it was (not) getting the heat into the tyres. I lowered the rear pressures to 10psi in the end, and despite much slipping and sliding the tyres were still stone cold. I had very little lateral or longitudinal rear grip.
A race instructor commented on this, and thought it was my driving, so I let him have a go. Same result. We both concluded that the car has insufficient mass to load the tyres enough.
In the dry however, it was imperious, so I'm leaving the geo as it is.
A good way of making the car more stable in pouring rain (on track) is to disconnect the rear ARB
Also set the dampers to their softest setting if you have adjustability
Quote from: "Alex Knight"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"We had a big downpour half way through the track time and the MR2 felt as though it was on ice. Not sure if I need to adjust tyre pressures or what but I really struggled. Resulting in a spin and trip across the grass once :/
I had exactly the same problem mate, and for me it was (not) getting the heat into the tyres. I lowered the rear pressures to 10psi in the end, and despite much slipping and sliding the tyres were still stone cold. I had very little lateral or longitudinal rear grip.
A race instructor commented on this, and thought it was my driving, so I let him have a go. Same result. We both concluded that the car has insufficient mass to load the tyres enough.
In the dry however, it was imperious, so I'm leaving the geo as it is.
That's actually really interesting thanks for taking the time to explain. I tried messing about with tyre pressures too, no real effect.
As you say, in the dry was mega but it was a huge change when wet.
I'm glad it's not just me.
I know the alignment is out anyway and it needs correcting so I'll get it done regardless.
I'm not sure how to disconnect the rear arb because my drop links are also seized so need cutting off and replacing....
I think when going to Coilovers (later this year I hope) I Will try them without stiffer arbs... As that will only make the problem worse in the wet!
Thanks for the feedback guys s:) :) s:)
If you get whitline ARB's they have 2 or 3 settings but you need to keep the drop link nuts greased
woohoo? s:) :) s:)
Got a bit excited?
Looks like fun!
Yeah probably, but why not? s:D :D s:D this car is only a bit of cheap fun for me so I guess it's having the desired effect
More video clips
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Got these little beauties today (thanks again to graham gmt1972) (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/05/29/muhuru2a.jpg)
Awaiting all the new fitting hardware and will fight to get the old ones off. Not a job I'm looking forward to s:( :( s:(
good luck buddy Im In the process of swapping all mine over to albeit for MWR jobbies, what a nightmare, especially those pesky drop links had to remove the shocks and ARB the angle grind them off!
cheers tommy
Have you got any suggestions or advice? I hadn't considered that I may need to take the strut (shock / spring) off to replace these arms! Is that absolutely required?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Have you got any suggestions or advice? I hadn't considered that I may need to take the strut (shock / spring) off to replace these arms! Is that absolutely required?
hi buddy, you should be ok if your just replacing the arms, I found a lot of the nuts and bolts were difficult to get off but came off in the end,
I had real problems with the drop links (as most do with the 2s) which required me to remove the shocks and ARB and grind them off. if they look ok I wont bother changing them, just on mine the rubbers were gone and the grease had diminished so had to swap them but what a job!
anyway looks you got a nice build going on there, and those arms look ace, I didn't know anyone but MWR(topspeed) made stuff like that for the 2, im in the process to of building a 2 track car aswell s:) :) s:)
cheers tommy
Cheers Tommy appreciate your response. My drop links are ok but the nuts have siezed so can't undo them. Made fitting the springs interesting!
I'm planning on buying some BC Coilovers later this year so I'll have to do the drop links then...I really am not looking forward to that job!!
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Cheers Tommy appreciate your response. My drop links are ok but the nuts have siezed so can't undo them. Made fitting the springs interesting!
I'm planning on buying some BC Coilovers later this year so I'll have to do the drop links then...I really am not looking forward to that job!!
BC coilovers are a great choice I ran them on a GTR I used to have very impressed with them in build quality and performance, much preferred them to the tein jobbies I had before,
yeah not a great job buddy, I had to jam a alum key into the end of the threaded shaft of the drop link (as it had corroded from a alum key shaped hole to a rust filled mess) to stop it spinning then spanner the nuts off a few turns (which required super human strength I might add s:) :) s:) in order to grind them off.
cheers tommy
Last video, chasing a caterham race car. Wish I had a bit more power!...
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Replacing arms etc keep on mind that I think the nuts on some are notched / has dimples and it's the bolt you need to undo. Glad you are having fun, I almost feel like abandoning the car this year after the custom cages saga. Now I have it I am booked up until august regards time to fit it s:-( :-( s:-(
Steve that would be a real shame, is there anywhere you could take it to finish off the cage?
Two steps forward, one step back!
Drove the car today first time since brands and exhaust was blowing really bad. Thought it was the manifold, so started stripping it all down. Then I realised it was the flexi on my ( what appears to be) cheap decat pipe. Upon further inspection, it's completely ruined!
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So manifold removed, cat pipe removed and I won't bother putting it back on until I've replaced the rear arms, And also replacement crossmember while I'm under there.
Need to get it ready for Blyton next month!
Oh the joys s:D :D s:D
Got a replacement crossmember today, it's been repaired but is better Than the one on my car.
Started rubbing it down with wire brush and flapper wheel,
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And started giving it a lick of hammerite
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Plan on fitting it and the adjustable arms next weekend s:D :D s:D
I rubbed mine down and waxoyled, wonder if putting hammerite on to would work or be worth it, its doing pretty well with the waxoyl.
I know what you mean, but the hammerite is really just to tart it up a bit and offers a small bit of protection. It will be waxoyled inside before I fit it!
Also I rubbed a lot of the paint off so thought I'd give it a coat to replace what I removed.
Finished it off tonight so hoping for a dry day this weekend to get the car out and fit it. s:) :) s:)
Finished painting and filled with waxoyl (horrible stuff!) the cross member(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/11/yty9ataq.jpg)
Also trial fitted my hard race arms as I've heard some people have had problems
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Finally I noticed an exhaust system in the marketplace section, exactly what I've been looking for ( and hopefully good for a 2zz in the future)
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Pic shamelessly stolen from seller
Hoping to pick it up this weekend and get everything fitted. Fingers crossed for a dry day
Long afternoon, started late (lunch time) because of a late night last night with the football etc.
Stripped the old cross member off; disconnected the arms from the hubs and left them on the old cross member.
All stripped down
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Then fitted the new cross member followed by the arms together with all new nuts and bolts
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Next up I wrapped my manifold (thanks to hamspeed for the link and vinny for the tip in soaking it) and the mid pipe of my new longlife exhaust
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Then fitted it all back onto the car....sounds pretty nice.
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Put the car back to together and tucked back in the garage. Just need to get geo set up down now, will be in a couple of weeks s:) :) s:)
Nice work! Them arms looks really well built too.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"It's pretty slippy at brands when wet...
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looking good buddy.. hope you are enjoying it?
helpfull hint
in went at brands graham hill band go on the outside rather than hitting the apex.. A LOT more grip s:P :P s:P
I found if it was went, find an instructors car, stick behind it to find the wet line..
Really good fun. Just need to get geo done and maybe time for another PM session before Blyton
Thanks for the tip, will try that next time s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Vietts"Nice work! Them arms looks really well built too.
Thanks
The arms seem pretty good, nice and solid. Slapped plenty of copper grease on the threads to aid adjustment etc in the future.
Forgot to mention, not only is the exhaust a lot more free flowing, it's weight advantage is huge. I would estimate the whole system, that's manifold, mid pipe and rear box are 1/3 of the weight of the original manifold, cat and back box, possible even less.
Considering that lot is hanging out behind the rear axle, it should feel a bit better
s:D :D s:D had a good read of this
brandshatch look great fun
Weekend is here again which means I can spend a few hours on the car.
Plans are;
1) Take it for a track focused geo set up
2) Fit new bleed nipples to calipers (one way self bleeders) and bleed brakes, as still not happy with them.
3) Gearbox fluid change
4) Fit and test gopro
5) drive it and general checks for blyton in a few weeks time s;) ;) s;)
Looking forward to seeing the fruits of your labour s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Weekend is here again which means I can spend a few hours on the car.
Plans are;
1) Take it for a track focused geo set up
2) Fit new bleed nipples to calipers (one way self bleeders) and bleed brakes, as still not happy with them.
3) Gearbox fluid change
4) Fit and test gopro
5) drive it and general checks for blyton in a few weeks time s;) ;) s;)
I got one of the easy bleed kits if you want to give that a go?
Quote from: "peppyuk"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Weekend is here again which means I can spend a few hours on the car.
Plans are;
1) Take it for a track focused geo set up
2) Fit new bleed nipples to calipers (one way self bleeders) and bleed brakes, as still not happy with them.
3) Gearbox fluid change
4) Fit and test gopro
5) drive it and general checks for blyton in a few weeks time s;) ;) s;)
I got one of the easy bleed kits if you want to give that a go?
Thanks, I've got one but the cap on the mr2 master cylinder is a push type one and I never got round to getting another to convert. All the ones that came with the pressure bleeder are screw top. s:( :( s:(
Successful day!
Went for the alignment this morning, car felt awful to drive, actually a bit scary, but Merrow Tyres in Farnham sorted it out and were quite impressed with the new bits underneath (in comparison to last time they tried to align it!)
Drive home much better, car has so much grip and zero under steer which is brilliant, can't wait to get some coil overs and have a bit on camber on the front too s:D :D s:D
Got a set of these speed bleed nipples, mainly because my front nipples (!) were pretty manky and one had begun to round, they also were very stiff and I was worried about breaking one, also the new rear calipers came with 7mm (spanner size ) nipples so to bleed the brakes you needed a whole host of tools!
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I also bought some dust covers from eBay to protect them.
All brakes bled ( handbrake pins removed from rear) and they feel much better, interestingly I had to back off the handbrake at the leaver end because it was slightly on after bleeding which suggests I've improved it (the leaver came high again after brands which coincided with the soft pedal)
Changed the gearbox oil, went for a couple of bottles of this from OPIE (next day delivery which was great service)
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Not sure when the gear oil was changed last but it was pretty manky! Feels smoother and there was a very slight wine at high rpm in 1st gear, which has now gone.
I used the top speedo plug / blank to fill which was far easier than messing around underneath with tubing etc; in total took me about 30mins so I recommend anyone who hasn't recently, to change theirs too.
Finally, now have forward and rear facing mounts for the gopro and a mount from behind the rear view mirror, looking forward so I'll try some different positions out at Blyton. ... Can't wait s:D :D s:D
Driven the car to work a couple of times now - easiest way for me to get non track miles onto it and all seems well so just an oil check and pack it up ready for Blyton next weekend s:) :) s:)
Also I've booked the following track days (on top of Blyton 19th July)
Tuesday 12th August - Brandshatch evening with Opentrack
Saturday 20th September - Goodwood Afternoon
Monday 13th October - Cadwell Park with Opentrack.
Might try to squeeze a trip to Lydden Hill too. s:D :D s:D
You are a busy boy! Have you considered the Toyota Sprint Series?
Do you drive the car to events or trailer?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Also I've booked the following track days (on top of Blyton 19th July)
Tuesday 12th August - Brandshatch evening with Opentrack
Saturday 20th September - Goodwood Afternoon
Monday 13th October - Cadwell Park with Opentrack.
Might try to squeeze a trip to Lydden Hill too. s:D :D s:D
I'll be at the brands evening offering balast to a friend, If I come and find you, can I pester for a passenger lap or 2 s:) :) s:)
I'm also hoping to be at Abingdon on 29th August too if you're interested, I'll be able to return the favour then although mines mechanically standard at the moment.
Stuart
Quote from: "jaspa"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Also I've booked the following track days (on top of Blyton 19th July)
Tuesday 12th August - Brandshatch evening with Opentrack
Saturday 20th September - Goodwood Afternoon
Monday 13th October - Cadwell Park with Opentrack.
Might try to squeeze a trip to Lydden Hill too. s:D :D s:D
I'll be at the brands evening offering balast to a friend, If I come and find you, can I pester for a passenger lap or 2 s:) :) s:)
I'm also hoping to be at Abingdon on 29th August too if you're interested, I'll be able to return the favour then although mines mechanically standard at the moment.
Stuart
What car does your friend drive? I'll keep an eye out. Maybe we can grab a garage?
You are welcome to a hot lap or two. My mrs might come along (depends on work and how she gets on at blyton) so I'll be teaching her some of the time too s:) :) s:)
My friend will be in a 400Bhp Exige, there may be an MX5 and a focus with us too but Garage sounds like a plan.
Stuart
Wow sounds like fun! Yeah ok well let me know closer to the tome and we'll try to get a garage. The trick is to get signed on quickly (have forms pre filled out) , get sound test done and go straight to the pits
I spy someone's car in premier inn
How was Blyton?
Quote from: "pistol pete"I spy someone's car in premier inn
Yep, didn't arrive until about 11pm, which considering I left home about 5pm is pretty dire!!
Thanks for coming and saying hello, good to meet you and put a face to a "name" as such. Hope the sprint went well on sunday. s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Quote from: "peppyuk"How was Blyton?
I've been away sailing for a few days, but i'm back now, so i'll process some vids from the go pro and post them up.
Blyton Park was fun, had a very slow journey up (about 6 hours) but it was worth it.... It only took 3.5hrs to get home with a dinner stop too!
Car was great, didn't skip a beat, covered over 600miles in 24 hours (some of which being smashed around the track). Seemed to keep up with some faster cars so I am continued to be impressed by the little MR2. Just needs a BIT more power s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Really want to think about some more suspension upgrades to reduce body roll. I don't know if that is coilovers or ARBs ? Suggestions welcome!
I could be wrong but I think suspension is setup in the order springs/dampers/arbs.
Have a search on the web, suspension configuration is a rather large subject.
I left a couple of short videos processing on my work laptop overnight, here are a couple of pics
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Quote from: "peppyuk"I could be wrong but I think suspension is setup in the order springs/dampers/arbs.
Have a search on the web, suspension configuration is a rather large subject.
Thanks, I don't really want to get too deep into technicalities because I know there is a lot to it, I was thinking more of recommendations for the mr2, tried and tested s:D :D s:D
I guess some coil overs (BC) is what I need
A quick video, a couple of fairly quick laps
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Here I was trying to catch a white GT86 Turbo, probably not being driven particularly hard I must admit, but I was thrashing the little roadster!
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I've ordered a pair of new seats s:D :D s:D
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So my forzas will be for sale soon (cheap!)
Nicely driven chap, very smooth.
Quote from: "peppyuk"You are a busy boy! Have you considered the Toyota Sprint Series?
Do you drive the car to events or trailer?
Sorry, missed this!
I have considered it, but the MR2 would need a full cage, so its quite a cost to start up.
I drive the car to all the events. I looked at buying a trailer and fitting a tow bar on my car, but at the moment I've got a little 118d as a run around, which has a towing capacity of 1200kg. A good trailer at ~300kg coupled with the MR2 at ~900KG will be right on the limit (not to mention the 118d could barely pull the skin off a rice pudding) so I would ideally need to replace my little run around with something else....which then becomes very expensive given that I have my eye on an xdrive 420d or similar in the near future s:oops: :oops: s:oops: !
Quote from: "Alex Knight"Nicely driven chap, very smooth.
Thanks s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
be good to get out on track together this year, would love to see how the 2zz performs
Well had a knock at the door at 6:45 this morning, my seats arrived!
Not supposed to arrive until next Friday so amazing service from JJC once again.
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Nice tidy looking driving. I heard you running out of rev's once or twice so you will really like the 2ZZ s;-) ;-) s;-)
The little MR2 is surprisingly quick, I was always amazed at what my old one did with 135 horses, going to be a right little monster with 185!
Quote from: "peppyuk"Nice tidy looking driving. I heard you running out of rev's once or twice so you will really like the 2ZZ s;-) ;-) s;-)
The little MR2 is surprisingly quick, I was always amazed at what my old one did with 135 horses, going to be a right little monster with 185!
Thank you!
Yeah I few times I chose to hang in gear rather than shift up just before braking, I was trying to find which was best, or even if short shifting earlier was best. I only really got into a groove in my last session; it was slippy in the morning, then it started gripping up, it then rained at lunch time and didn't get really grippy until the end of day. That coupled with teaching my GF how to drive on track (her first track day) meant it was quite hard to learn and get a rhythm going s:) :) s:)
Coming together! Blyton looked like a good event, what was the traffic like on track throughout the day as it's a fairly small circuit?
Quote from: "hamspeed"Coming together! Blyton looked like a good event, what was the traffic like on track throughout the day as it's a fairly small circuit?
Barely got held up, traffic (lack of) was one of the best I've had on track over the years. The videos I posted are fairly representative of the traffic s:) :) s:)
Started fitting my new seats, Sparco Sprints. Definitely a budget seat but excellent quality and very comfortable!
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Just stopped to watch the F1 [SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Started fitting my new seats, Sparco Sprints. Definitely a budget seat but excellent quality and very comfortable!
Just stopped to watch the F1 [SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]
The new seats look good, I can still see some potential kilo's to loose though... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
All finished, really pleased with them. Also sold my old ones for £100 today so the upgrade only cost £200!
I'm sure there is plenty more to lose, I think I will start to take some more out, it doesn't really add much benefit at the moment
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BrandsHatch in a couple of weeks [GRINNING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]
May i ask where you got the mounts for the seats?
Sure - they are from rouge Motorsport, really pleased with them. About £80 each I think they were.
Looks good bud, so those seats were only £300?
Yep, £150 each including next day delivery. Drove it to work today (long story, car nightmare!) and they are far more supportive really pleased.
JJC offer them for £169 I think with side mounts, so I asked for a price without side mounts and they came back to me with £300/pair.
If you are using rouges seat mounts, you don't need the side mounts.
Hi Meeerrk
can I ask where you got the bar to mount the harness on and how much, also is it a bolt in item?
cheers tommy
Hi Tommy, it was custom made from the old part. Basically remove the old bar from it's mounts (bolt on) cut it up and weld a new piece of tube (t45 in this case) in it's place....ok so more Time and effort went in to making it, no doubt but that's basically it.
I will actually be getting rid soon as I am making arrangements to have a roll hoop (like the hard dog) made which my harness can also mount on to
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Hi Tommy, it was custom made from the old part. Basically remove the old bar from it's mounts (bolt on) cut it up and weld a new piece of tube (t45 in this case) in it's place....ok so more Time and effort went in to making it, no doubt but that's basically it.
I will actually be getting rid soon as I am making arrangements to have a roll hoop (like the hard dog) made which my harness can also mount on to
oh nice work mate s:) :) s:)
well if your getting rid of that 1 I'll gladly take it off your hands when your ready that would be sweet
cheers tommy
I'll bear it in mind Tommy, hopefully getting the roll bar done In the next couple of months (due to holidays and track days booked)
Update on the seats; really really pleased, for the money they are excellent.
Bit smaller than the Forzas / I guess lighter too.
Very comfortable - I've been using the car all week because of issues with our other cars, and although they are tighter and hug you more, they are more comfortable!
Highly recommended as a starter track seat.
In other news I've got a horrible feeling the car has started using oil, I need to check the dipstick this weekend, top up if required and monitor.
That 2zz might need to be sooner than planned!
Peppy, wanna sell me your 2zz s:D :D s:D
er... no s;-) ;-) s;-)
Just SORN'd the Celica so I will start taking it to bits soon. Have to fit it in around working on the faff, fixing the Volvo and sorted my Bro-in-laws FTO out!
Good news on the seats, how are they for every day use?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I'll bear it in mind Tommy, hopefully getting the roll bar done In the next couple of months (due to holidays and track days booked)
ok buddy cheers no rush but will snap it up when you come to get rid s:D :D s:D
cheers tommy
Quote from: "peppyuk"er... no s;-) ;-) s;-)
Just SORN'd the Celica so I will start taking it to bits soon. Have to fit it in around working on the faff, fixing the Volvo and sorted my Bro-in-laws FTO out!
Good news on the seats, how are they for every day use?
Worth a go!
I know the feeling, all 3 cars were off the roa last weekend so a scramble to get two working by Monday morning!
Also decorating nonstop!
Seats are perfectly acceptable for every day use in my opinion. Like I say I've used it all week and it's been fine. The only slight pain is getting in and out because they are low - and so you tend to need to climb out, but no problem - much like an Elise or VX220
You shouldn't have much trouble picking up a cheap Celica or Corolla, assuming you are getting a whole donor car. Can fully test the engine/gearbox too if you do it that way. My Celica was only £700, I've had a years motoring and will still be able to sell off the suspension/brakes/seats/wheels/lights and what ever other little bits folk want.
Wow that's really good. That is what I was planning to do. Where did you buy yours, eBay?
I found it on Gumtree, had to drive to Swindon to collect it mind, and drive back with a very noisy wheel bearing but it was a bargain.
Well in the last week, the 350Z has had a new clutch, flywheel, slave cylinder, braided hose, gearbox oil, and engine oil service, which I may add, came to more than the MR2 is worth!
My BMW now has new brakes, rather than metal on metal, which for reference, doesn't do a good job at stopping! Thanks to the previous owner who snapped the wear sensor so I had no prior warning!
So the MR2 is done with commuter work and back in the garage ready for Brandshatch a week on Tuesday (12th August). Looking forward to it for sure.
Also need to edit some more Blyton Videos, there are a few of my Girlfriend driving - for her first track day (and being female!!) she was pretty good.
And being female? s:o :o s:o tut tut dude
Hahaha s:D :D s:D
No more videos of overtaking me please s:( :( s:( haha
Loving this thread
Car goes very well and some great driving
Nice build and good videos, I'm amazed at how slippery it was in the wet, a bit worrying to be honest. I think the combination of rubber and water on the track makes it worse, sometimes safer to stay off the racing line in the wet.
Quote from: "James and his MR2"No more videos of overtaking me please s:( :( s:( haha
Should I not post any of my mrs overtaking you then? s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "gaffer1986"Nice build and good videos, I'm amazed at how slippery it was in the wet, a bit worrying to be honest. I think the combination of rubber and water on the track makes it worse, sometimes safer to stay off the racing line in the wet.
Yeah I was surprised too. I think my alignment didn't help but I don't think it made too much difference, blyton wasn't much better in the wet.
I think the biggest problem is getting heat into the tyres when it's wet is very difficult on these cars, I assume because they are quite light on their feet!
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I think the biggest problem is getting heat into the tyres when it's wet
This, a million times over. I really struggle to get ANY heat into the rears in the wet, even down to 10psi.
Quote from: "Alex Knight"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I think the biggest problem is getting heat into the tyres when it's wet
This, a million times over. I really struggle to get ANY heat into the rears in the wet, even down to 10psi.
You could install some blow torches into the rear wheel arches s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
On a serious note. Just gotta love being able to drive a car miles and miles to a race track, spank it round and then drive home, trouble free. Time after time after time. All in a 10 odd year old car with a few miles on the clock.
140k miles on the clock s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "peppyuk"Quote from: "Alex Knight"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I think the biggest problem is getting heat into the tyres when it's wet
This, a million times over. I really struggle to get ANY heat into the rears in the wet, even down to 10psi.
You could install some blow torches into the rear wheel arches s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
On a serious note. Just gotta love being able to drive a car miles and miles to a race track, spank it round and then drive home, trouble free. Time after time after time. All in a 10 odd year old car with a few miles on the clock.
Mine went pop at it's first race, 97k on the clock. Luck of the draw with the PFL 1ZZ-FE's. Generally I still think BMW's engines are good for that and Honda's tho the nicest cars (M3 and NSX) from those manufacturers are really expensive. Toyota got it right with many models, Celica, MR2 and now the GT86.
Quote from: "bschwarz"Quote from: "peppyuk"Quote from: "Alex Knight"This, a million times over. I really struggle to get ANY heat into the rears in the wet, even down to 10psi.
You could install some blow torches into the rear wheel arches s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
On a serious note. Just gotta love being able to drive a car miles and miles to a race track, spank it round and then drive home, trouble free. Time after time after time. All in a 10 odd year old car with a few miles on the clock.
Mine went pop at it's first race, 97k on the clock. Luck of the draw with the PFL 1ZZ-FE's. Generally I still think BMW's engines are good for that and Honda's though the nicest cars (M3 and NSX) from those manufacturers are really expensive. Toyota got it right with many models, Celica, MR2 and now the GT86.
That must have been pretty gutting for you s:( :( s:(
My old MR2 went pop on the A3 one evening with less than 85k on the clock, I was proper gutted. In 18 months of ownership it's value dropped by £7k, although I suppose did cover 50k miles and blow it up. That is still the most expensive car I've ever bought, and possibly one of the most fun.... I really must make a start on the 2ZZ project....
Quote from: "peppyuk"My old MR2 went pop on the A3 one evening with less than 85k on the clock, I was proper gutted. In 18 months of ownership it's value dropped by £7k, although I suppose did cover 50k miles and blow it up. That is still the most expensive car I've ever bought, and possibly one of the most fun.... I really must make a start on the 2ZZ project....
Ouch...that's got to hurt s:( :( s:(
Editing the GoPro videos is a bit of a nightmare; my work laptop takes for ever to process the files and pretty much locks it up...which isn't very good when I'm at work s:) :) s:)
So I was looking to buy a mini tower or Mac mini to do it, until I found this ipad app called iMovie. To my surprise, the ipad handles the files perfectly and it's now a doodle ! Best £3 I've spent on iTunes!
Here's one I tried just testing it out
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Certainly a test of your smooth driving! Nicely done again.
Another fantastic track day completed at Brands hatch this afternoon/evening. s:) :) s:)
Bit frustrating at first with two stoppages, and some terrible driving / heroes in their powerful cars.
But the MR2 was faultless and it seemed a lot quicker this time. One prime example was coming out of paddock hill and up the hill, the car was pulling all the way up but last time I remember for sure (and watching the videos) it barely accelerated up the hill. New exhaust system maybe?
I ran 28psi front and 30psi rear (hot) tyre pressures, I think I'll go down to 26/28 next time and see how it feels.
New seats were an excellent step forward from the previous, very comfy and even the drive home was comfortable. (Plus no more creaking!)
Got some video including a mini works gp spinning down paddock hill in front of me...I wasn't far off collecting them either
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Can't wait for Goodwood now s:D :D s:D
Although I'm off on a Europe trip to Amsterdam, Belgium and France next week, in the 350z and incorporating the F1 race at Spa, so can't get too excited just yet s:D :D s:D
I love iMovie, so easy to use and quick to make a video and post on YouTube!
Mini Works GP gets it wrong on Paddock Hill;
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I thought I recognised your car! I was there this evening too - red racing Alfa 75. Your MR2 was pretty quick - I think you passed us a few times!
Good brakes avoiding that mini.
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"I thought I recognised your car! I was there this evening too - red racing Alfa 75. Your MR2 was pretty quick - I think you passed us a few times!
I know the one, Nice Alfa s:D :D s:D
You should have come to say hi. Why not the mr2?
Got any more planned this year?
I only put 2 and 2 together as we were leaving - I'm sure I'd seen a blue MR2 with black wheels and sparco buckets somewhere before!
I'm in the middle of a stressful and time consuming house-move at the moment and my MR2 has been in bits in a lock-up for far too long. Needs a bit of work before I can get it on the track again unfortunately - hopefully in the new year.
The Alfa is my brothers - it was the first time I've been on track in it, quite a different kettle of fish than the MR2! 3ltr v6, but didn't feel that much faster than the MR2. Very raw though.
I was a little disappointed by the running of the evening - briefing was both late and bit rushed, and there were far too many cars/drivers for my liking. Driving standards weren't great (standard Brands evening session problem in my experience), but it was good fun overall (and you can't beat free donuts!) I gopro'd the whole session, will upload some when I get a chance.
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"I only put 2 and 2 together as we were leaving - I'm sure I'd seen a blue MR2 with black wheels and sparco buckets somewhere before!
I'm in the middle of a stressful and time consuming house-move at the moment and my MR2 has been in bits in a lock-up for far too long. Needs a bit of work before I can get it on the track again unfortunately - hopefully in the new year.
The Alfa is my brothers - it was the first time I've been on track in it, quite a different kettle of fish than the MR2! 3ltr v6, but didn't feel that much faster than the MR2. Very raw though.
I was a little disappointed by the running of the evening - briefing was both late and bit rushed, and there were far too many cars/drivers for my liking. Driving standards weren't great (standard Brands evening session problem in my experience), but it was good fun overall (and you can't beat free donuts!) I gopro'd the whole session, will upload some when I get a chance.
Fair dos [SMILING FACE WITH SMILING EYES]
Oh ok I see, I can sympathise with that, I had to move 3 times in 18months a couple of years ago, very stressful! Glad I'm settled now and hope you are soon too.
The Alfa was a nice looking car, it looks pretty serious! It's hard to go as fast in someone else's car, especially the first time.
I would tend to agree actually, not as good as last time I went. Frustrating waiting around for the briefing for so long, last time I got caught out after the sighting laps and sat in pit lane queuing to go out, this time I knew what to do and was the 3rd car out!
The queues in the pit lane were shocking, I stayed out for about an hour in the end because I kept going past thinking "I'm not queuing for that long to go out again".
Driving standards were pretty bad, the worst I've experienced I think. Do you think it's because they are quite cheap and accessible (ie after normal working hours) ?
I got driven off the track almost into the grass by someone who had just come out the pits, loads of cars half moving (or not at all) down the straight but flooring it so I couldn't pass, then going way too hot into paddock hill and almost losing it! The worst bit is when people hesitate, go for an overtake and don't go pass, so you go to pass them too, and they slam on their brakes or they end up side by side through the corners. It got better as the evening went on but I'm amazed there weren't a few coming togethers!
Anyway, enough of that... let me know if you get your car running in the new year or if you book any with the Alfa and I'll see if I can make it.
I don't usually do things like this, but a montage of crap driving!
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Some fairly fast laps once tyres were warmed up. Think there is some footage of the aforementioned Alfa here too s:D :D s:D
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Fame at last! Although I think that's actually my brother driving (and sorry for the permanently-lit brake lights s:oops: :oops: s:oops: Italian electrics!)
Great videos! That GoPro takes some excellent footage. s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "AndyM"Great videos! That GoPro takes some excellent footage. s:) :) s:)
I'm pretty blasé about gadgets and tech, but it's an impressive device.
The videos on youtube are of a seriously lesser quality than the recorded footage; the 1080p which it records in is crystal clear and sharp when played on my 42" home TV - amazing really.
There were a few mk2 Mr2s there in Tuesday. By chance, I came across most of them within a couple of laps. The red race car was quick, need to get some coilovers to help keep my corner speed up a bit!
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Not a performance mod, but today I got this headunit and dab adaptor from halfords for the amazing price of £42.99 !
It means I can now listen to my iPhone music, charge my phone, and listen to the radio on my journeys to and from tracks s:) :) s:)
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Scrub that, it's about 1/3 the weight of the old one, so I'm claiming it as a performance mod too.
Must say for £40, it's an absolute bargain. I'd be pleased at twice the price to be quite frank! (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/15/5eta7e6a.jpg)
Here's one for you mr-ed_smt
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Quote from: "Meeerrrk"There were a few mk2 Mr2s there in Tuesday. By chance, I came across most of them within a couple of laps. The red race car was quick, need to get some coilovers to help keep my corner speed up a bit!
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Again, nice and smoothly driven, especially at 2:33, real economy of steering lock; nice to see.
You will absolutely
love having a 2ZZ, it adds a whole new dimension to the car, without in any way detracting from anything else.
I'm probably doing a trackday at Castle Combe next Friday (22nd Aug) if you are around.
Quote from: "Alex Knight"Again, nice and smoothly driven, especially at 2:33, real economy of steering lock; nice to see.
You will absolutely love having a 2ZZ, it adds a whole new dimension to the car, without in any way detracting from anything else.
I'm probably doing a trackday at Castle Combe next Friday (22nd Aug) if you are around.
Cheers Alex, normally not enough power to get a on throttle slide going, but i'm sure that will change with a 2zz behind me!
Bad timing for me i'm afraid; I am doing a Europe trip in our 350z Roadster next week, and will be at Spa for the F1 that weekend..... such is life s:D :D s:D
Some pictures from brandshatch starting to come through
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Also found these old pictures from a trip to Europe in the roadster, first summer we had it....think it was 2010 - a lot has changed s:D :D s:D
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Some more from last week (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/16/yqy5esaq.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/16/nutadutu.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/16/4uhy6aju.jpg)(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/16/uza5ysy8.jpg)
Ok it's not THE roadster, but A roadster ... On route to Spa for the F1, first stop Amsterdam s:D :D s:D (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/21/utenepaz.jpg)
I won't ask what you're picking up in Amsterdam s;-) ;-) s;-)
Have fun.
Back from holiday now - the Mr2 fun can continue!
Track day wise;
I've got Goodwood coming up on Saturday 20th September. s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Before then I need to do an oil change using the trusted Titan Race Pro S 5w40 from OPIE oils.
Modification / Upgrade wise;
I've got the car booked in with TR Lane Fabrication to make a roll bar like the hard dog design from the states;
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If anyone reading this is interested in similar let me know because I will be asking the fabricator about making them available for general sale. s:D :D s:D
I would be interested in the future
I looked at the hard dog bar but every time I searched was mega bucks
Quote from: "MrStev3"I would be interested in the future
I looked at the hard dog bar but every time I searched was mega bucks
This will be a copy of the hard dog - it's looking to be around £350
I'd be very interested in the roll bar as well.
Around £350 is fine by me
Great timing! Hope it all goes well with the build. We all need something like this on this side of the sea. I'm in!
Looking for some input please guys,
I think I want some graphics or wrap, or something to make the car look a bit more like a track car. But I have no idea what.
1) colour wrap?
2) racing graphics?
3) Nothing?
Ideas, thoughts etc welcome!
3- nothing. It's nice to give them a surprise attack lol
Quote from: "Vietts"3- nothing. It's nice to give them a surprise attack lol
must admit, that is on my mind! if its got graphics all over it, people expect you to be fast. If you've just bought your "little mr2" onto a track day, it has more of an impact! s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
I thought about stickers for mine but then as already said people expect a speed machine but I love seeing your car spank it passed machinery that wouldn't expect a little mr2 to be as quick and nimble
Sheath is the way
My permanent roof mounts arrived today from Rouge
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I'll fit them when the roll hoop is fitted.
Which means I have a full hardtop fitting kit for sale (including cable) if anyone is interested.
I will also be removing my harness bar, so again, that is up for grabs. I did message tommy but had no reply.
Goodwood this Saturday, only doing the PM sessions because of the cost (£365 for the day I think!!) just fancied trying the place out, given the heratige.
I also ordered a full tailored car cover for use in the garage over the winter. It's from cover kings, as recommended on spyder chat.
Carried out an oil change today, oil courtesy of OPIE oils (Fuchs Titan Race Pro) , original Toyota filter from CTP and a new quick release drain plug;
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Handy little device s;) ;) s;)
GoPro charged and ready for Goodwood
Got one of them - absolutely brilliant for changing out nice hot fluid oil. Just make sure you also buy the metal safety clip to stop it being knocked open (ask me how I know!)
Oh really? Pretty good aren't they.
I got a safety clip. Does it just slip over the top, couldn't work out if it was supposed to be more securely fitted.
Go on.....I won't laugh
Goodwood 20th August.
Goodwood yesterday was excellent! It's a lovely venue, and very well run by the team there. Seriously quick track too, so not so suitable for the MR2.
That said I was keeping up with some fast road cars so must be doing something right!
I also got a session of instruction for my girlfriend which was probably worth the time...because she refuses to listen to me! LOL!
The MR2 was faultless once again and got some interest from a 370z owner who knew Goodwood like the back of his hand; passed him on my first session s:D :D s:D
Also a couple of 911 owners commented on the little MR2.
My only issue was almost binning it on my final run, right in front of the marshals who had a word afterwards. No problems with that, they want everyone to go home in one piece.
I will do some videos later, couple of pics from the pit wall while my Other half was getting some instruction ;
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The Yokohama AD08 tyres are suffering very light wear, very impressed. But they are getting pretty hot and sticky on track;
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First video.
This is my first lap of Goodwood, I let the 370z past and followed him to do some line learning. Then I passed him and built up some speed.
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These video really do look excellent.
With a few more horses you'll be slaughtering the competition.
You should try In your turbo Scott!
Video 2, getting a bit faster and later on the brakes
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3rd and last for now.
Couple of moments in this video, one big slide coming on to the back straight and then some MR2 rallycross right at the end. Despite what you may think, I was fully in control - when I realised I was on the curb and the grass, I took the decision to go around the "pit in" sign, rather than through it!
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Quote from: "Meeerrrk"You should try In your turbo Scott!
Think i would need some practice.
No track experience at all.
It's no problem. I don't think I've been to a track day yet where there hasn't been a newbie. Give it a go, it's good fun and you don't have to drive flat out. Some track days include free tuition too which I would recommend
You could even try and get a couple more of us interested in going too... Makes the day much better if you have people with the same (ish) car to swap tips with
Just got back from 4 days having watched the Revival meeting. Goodwood is a great track but not best suited to the MR2 - the V8 Mustangs, Cobra's and Astons and Jags loved the long straights. Great video footage and good to see the track from the on car perspective. I was at Lavant Corner grandstand and also the Chicane. Great viewing all around. Will be going to the Revival meeting again next year - something not to be missed by petrol heads. Fantastic atmosphere and great racing. Keep posting the on car shots. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Some of my friends went to the revival this year they took a camper van and did all 3 days. They had a brilliant time and has convinced me I need to go!
As you say it's not perfectly suited to the mr2 but it was nice to stretch the cars legs. The corner speed you can carry in these cars is amazing so that helped a bit, but on the straights, cars like that Porsche just got too far away
Nicely driven (again!).
Looks like Goodwood is probably too quick for the car though tbh. A 2ZZ might be a different story s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
The balance seems nicely neutral to oversteery at speed, very similar to mine.
Cheers Alex,
Yes it's too fast for a 1zz and long gears. 2zz shorter geared would be different and better suited, no doubt.
Yeah it is nice, all understeer has gone. Looking forward to trying r888s next s:) :) s:)
Must say I'm rather inspired by this. Toying with the idea of making the car less comfy and more tracky s:) :) s:) Fixing up the suspension a hit and some good seats and I'd be getting close
I've taken my car on some long journeys and it's actually not all that uncomfortable.
The suspension Is a nice compromise for road use, the Seats are super comfy although the harnesses are a little impractical for tight junctions and manoeuvres
Add a bit of lightness, good brakes and tyres and you'll be running rings around some "faster" cars s:) :) s:)
Agreed
The cornering is superb and mines not even properly set up on the track mr2
I've dropped my car off to have the roll over hoop / half rear cage built now.
Although the clock is ticking - Cadwell Park in two weeks s:) :) s:)
Pics as soon as it's done I wanna ogle
Tein springs won't be far off I reckon. Next "big" thing for the car. Even though a new set of brakes costs more...
I've got tein springs fitted, I'm going for BC Coilovers together with TTE anti roll bars (purchased from Stevemk3) over the winter s:D :D s:D
Haha funny you should say that. I'm after the TTE anti roll bars as well.
Seems like Teins do the job on the track. You seem to be able to maintain lines well. Although it would be good to see you on a less high-speed track
They are an excellent compromise if you use your car on the road. I would suggest newer / kyb dampers too (mine are the ones that were already on the car).
It has some body roll, but it is still controllable. Brands hatch is a bit slower, check out some of the earlier videos s:D :D s:D
Well, very disappointing news today.
Had an email from TR lane who have my car to make the roll hoop.
The original quote was £350, so I left my car there hoping to pick up in a week (which quickly turned into two weeks) but today's email has said He will need to remove the fuel tank and work from below, so new price is £1300.
As you lot probably know I can get a Rouge cage fitted for that.
Really frustrated, because I have sold my hard top side brackets and the rouge ones won't work with my current set up.... Arrgg!
Thats a shame mate.
The guy surely should of had a look at a 2 before giving a quote.
The major fitting "issue" with the hard dog bar is the need to remove the tank - it's well documented. How did he think he could do it without?? Real shame - is he going to charge you for the time spent to date? Perhaps he could be persuaded to swallow some of the development cost himself if there is promise of a market for the end product?
Quote from: "1979scotte"Thats a shame mate.
The guy surely should of had a look at a 2 before giving a quote.
Well yeah, but that is kinda why I took my car and left it.
But I didn't expect the price to increase from £350 to £1300!
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"The major fitting "issue" with the hard dog bar is the need to remove the tank - it's well documented. How did he think he could do it without?? Real shame - is he going to charge you for the time spent to date? Perhaps he could be persuaded to swallow some of the development cost himself if there is promise of a market for the end product?
Well I think I'll get take it to rouge at some point now, didn't want to go that extreme but never mind
That is a pity, I was really looking forward to how it turned out and would defiantly have followed suit if it worked.
In the meantime, does the following help with your rogue bracket/hardtop issue?
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It's how I'm running until I get half cage fitted
I don't blame you - it makes no sense at that price. I've had quotes of between £1200 and £1500 for bespoke fully welded in 6 point cages, the rogue bolt-in works out about the same. All other those prices were based on my delivering a ready-stripped (including tank) car to them though.
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"I don't blame you - it makes no sense at that price. I've had quotes of between £1200 and £1500 for bespoke fully welded in 6 point cages, the rogue bolt-in works out about the same. All other those prices were based on my delivering a ready-stripped (including tank) car to them though.
Do rouge need he fuel tank off too?
Quote from: "TiM3"That is a pity, I was really looking forward to how it turned out and would defiantly have followed suit if it worked.
In the meantime, does the following help with your rogue bracket/hardtop issue?
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It's how I'm running until I get half cage fitted
Yeah tell me about it.
That picture is exactly what I was hoping I could achieve! Thanks so much for putting my mind at rest s:) :) s:)
So...anyone got any other leads on a roll bar / half cage? s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Do rouge need he fuel tank off too?
Believe so, yes.
Dead straightforward;
Unbolt cross brace
Remove the existing hardtop clamps (note torx fittings are loctite'd and very stiff)
Plastic trims on hardtop then just clip off
Remove the 3 M8 bolts that attach the seatbelt top bracket to the body
Refit the seatbelt top bracket with rogue top mount sandwiched behind
Surprisingly there is still enough flex to refix cross brace without modifying holes
Although the existing bolts are OK I am going to replace the two front ones with new bolts +5mm in length to make up for the thickness of the bracket.
Does this help?
I've also fitted the front brackets which look quite neat
Also, I had a long conversation with the guy from SW Motorsports who assured me he can fix his half cage (welded in) without removing the tank, he said he had done several before and did sound like a knowledgeable guy. I think he quoted £600 at the time.
Quote from: "TiM3"Dead straightforward;
Unbolt cross brace
Remove the existing hardtop clamps (note torx fittings are loctite'd and very stiff)
Plastic trims on hardtop then just clip off
Remove the 3 M8 bolts that attach the seatbelt top bracket to the body
Refit the seatbelt top bracket with rogue top mount sandwiched behind
Surprisingly there is still enough flex to refix cross brace without modifying holes
Although the existing bolts are OK I am going to replace the two front ones with new bolts +5mm in length to make up for the thickness of the bracket.
Does this help?
I've also fitted the front brackets which look quite neat
That is a massive help thank you.
I've been thinking in my mind that would work but I wasn't sure if it would or not! I wasn't sure about doing the front ones because of loosing all the trim, unless I just trim it around the brackets.
Quote from: "TiM3"Also, I had a long conversation with the guy from SW Motorsports who assured me he can fix his half cage (welded in) without removing the tank, he said he had done several before and did sound like a knowledgeable guy. I think he quoted £600 at the time.
That sounds better, I'd be happy with that at this point!
Quote from: "TiM3"Dead straightforward;
Unbolt cross brace
Remove the existing hardtop clamps (note torx fittings are loctite'd and very stiff)
Plastic trims on hardtop then just clip off
Remove the 3 M8 bolts that attach the seatbelt top bracket to the body
Refit the seatbelt top bracket with rogue top mount sandwiched behind
Surprisingly there is still enough flex to refix cross brace without modifying holes
Although the existing bolts are OK I am going to replace the two front ones with new bolts +5mm in length to make up for the thickness of the bracket.
Does this help?
I've also fitted the front brackets which look quite neat
Did you need to buy new bolts to mount the bracket it the hard top ? To replace the black torx ones.
If so, are they m8 fine thread?
Removing the tank isn't actually too difficult - it just means you have too transport the car to whoever is fitting the cage which obviously adds to the cost.
Yes those in photo are temp, I've ordered M6 x 25 high tensile flanged button head socket screws (standard thread pitch)
Front brackets you just need to trim the corner of the top windscreen trim so the bracket will sit flat on the frame. I'm just waiting for the new bolts (again got flanged button screws for safety) should be here tomorrow, then I'll post a photo for you.
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"Removing the tank isn't actually too difficult - it just means you have too transport the car to whoever is fitting the cage which obviously adds to the cost.
Yeah I understand it's not too bad. Probably sounds worse than it is.
I'm looking at cars to tow with as we speak actually s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "TiM3"Yes those in photo are temp, I've ordered M6 x 25 high tensile flanged button head socket screws (standard thread pitch)
Front brackets you just need to trim the corner of the top windscreen trim so the bracket will sit flat on the frame. I'm just waiting for the new bolts (again got flanged button screws for safety) should be here tomorrow, then I'll post a photo for you.
That would be brilliant, I will need to order some and get them by next weekend as I'm going to Cadwell park. Did you order them locally or from ebay?
I'm surprised they aren't fine pitch thread
I got the screws off Ebay, seller is called massiveattack007.
Only seems to be M10 bolts and above that use fine thread pitch on the Roadster from what I've found. I assume because m6 and m8 standard is fairly fine anyway to be honest.
Yes that's probably true, I'll wait and see if yours work out and if you can feedback I'll get some ordered too s:) :) s:)
Thanks for your help!
Screws arrived and fit fine;
M6 x 25 bracket to hardtop
M8 x 16 bracket to windscreen frame
Like I said also have to trim the corner off the plastic windscreen trim (see photo)
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Thank you, I will order some now.
10off and 2off respectively I assume?
Spot on
Very glad I could help!
Just been in the garage giving the brackets a coat of satin black s:) :) s:) now to order the bolts.
Glad you've found a way to solve this conundrum.
Good thinking that man gold star.
Got my car back, and also picked up a pair of lovely new TTE anti roll bars, with thanks to SteveMK3
Busy morning, just ordering drop links, and poly bushes ready for a winter suspension overhaul
Lots of pics of the new suspension goodies going in
I'll be tucking mine up for winter soon and bushes ate top of my list
Of course!
Plans are
- BC Coilovers
- anti roll bars
- drop mounts
- poly bushing
- bit of painting/anti rusting!
- new alignment set up
Mines coming off the road at the end of October so it will be over the next few months.
Starting to get the car ready for Cadwell Park on Monday.
Thanks to Tim I've got all the fixings to mount the hard top properly (great service from the ebay seller), so need to do that.
Think I need to change rear pads, but at least take wheel off and have a good inspection
I've hired a car transporter for the weekend to avoid doing the 4 hr journey each way in the mR2. Not that I don't think it's possible, but in a way a bit of an experiment as I am hoping to change my car over the winter to something I can tow with, and buy a trailer.
Finally, as my car will be stored in the garage for the winter at the end of October, my cover kings tailored cover arrived this morning . Will take a picture of it on the car as I'm sure there will be others interested who use thier MR2 rarely over winter
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Videos of Cadwell will be next week s:) :) s:)
Have a great day on Monday
I have tried to book in for the same day but I am first reserve so I may or may not be there and as we run a B&B that's only
25 mins away from Cadwell I can get across quickly
Quote from: "HUTTY"Have a great day on Monday
I have tried to book in for the same day but I am first reserve so I may or may not be there and as we run a B&B that's only
25 mins away from Cadwell I can get across quickly
Mates rates? s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "HUTTY"Have a great day on Monday
I have tried to book in for the same day but I am first reserve so I may or may not be there and as we run a B&B that's only
25 mins away from Cadwell I can get across quickly
Mates rates? s;) ;) s;)
+1 I might be going on the 22nd November s:D :D s:D
Check us out
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We have loads of off road parking and Vinny if I cannot get in this Monday I will be booking for the 22 Oct
As for mates rates its the wife you will have to talk to but I am sure she will
Wish I would have known, because I'm travelling up on Sunday evening. I hope I enjoy it enough to go back, so I'll keep it bookmarked s:) :) s:)
There us no way you will not enjoy Cadwell, it's so challenging
Alan...
That's certainly my train of thought !
I'm glad the fixings did the job for you.
Hope you enjoy Cadwell I went there early in the year and it is a fantastic circuit! I absolutely loved it! It's a shame it's such a long way for most people!
Just got the call
I am in for Cadwell on Monday
Great stuff ! Looking forward to seeing the 2zz!
Just don't follow me In to the hairpin s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Great stuff ! Looking forward to seeing the 2zz!
Just don't follow me In to the hairpin s:D :D s:D
It will be fine I promise I will have both hands on the hand brake as well
Quote from: "HUTTY"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Great stuff ! Looking forward to seeing the 2zz!
Just don't follow me In to the hairpin s:D :D s:D
It will be fine I promise I will have both hands on the hand brake as well
Assume you were rained off?
Cadwell Park 13-10-2014
My first trip to Cadwell Park. Always fancied going and got talked into it by a few different people at various track days saying the MR2 would be great round there.
Being a 4hr drive each way, I decided to hire a car transporter to take the car up there and back, as I have been looking for a car suitable for towing (530d most likely). The van was pretty good except for the fuel consumption, think I did about £100 in total!
After picking up the van and loading the Mr2, we Travelled up on Sunday afternoon. Waking up early on Monday morning to torrential rain and wind, the theme for the day was set !
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Oh yeah, as I left home I misjudged the length of the van and ripped my front fence down ! Haha, whoops! Wood was rotten anyway, so it needed ripping out and replacing but maybe not my best move this year.
Arrived at Cadwell, weather got worse. They were late getting us going and after 5 mins of track time an MX5 aquaplaned down the strait and straight into the barriers, completely destroying the front of his car.
3 or 4 other stoppages during the morning meaning I got about 20mins of track time all morning, they stopped early for lunch at 12:00 and I was getting really frustrated.
After finally starting again around 1:30 I finally managed to start learning the circuit and began to enjoy it. Still very wet but I got used to it quickly.
Ended up doing about 1hr / 1:30hr of track time in the afternoon and left fairly early as it was a long drive home.
Feel like it was a mega expensive day (circa £500 all inclusive of travel, hotel, track day,fuel etc) for very little track time, and feel like I need to go back to enjoy the circuit a bit more. Maybe next year.
My morning view mostly waiting ; (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/10/14/0302e5e1bd1b957ae381ed8fce4262f6.jpg)
Highlight of the day, seeing an Alfa 4c close up. Absolutely stunning car, better in the flesh 10 fold
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My last few laps, first video (there won't be much, considering the amount of track time I had)
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Could of nearly bought coilovers for that s;) ;) s;)
Or, I could buy coilovers too? s;) ;) s;)
The weather is always frustrating, I did a day there on the bike a few years ago in similar conditions, riders were coming off on each session luckily no-one really injured. They pulled the lunch break forward & it did start to clear up, so I went out again, 2 laps in & starting to feel comfortable I wound the throttle full on coming out of Charlie's onto Park Straight only for the throttle cable to snap, end of my day.
Alan...
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Or, I could buy coilovers too? s;) ;) s;)
hehe there is that s;) ;) s;)
Hi
Sorry we missed you at Cadwell but the weather as it was could not be worse for the testing of the changes we had
made to the car and running in new brake pads so backed out of the day.
Another reason why is that we do not run a heater to save weight which is ok for short races but not for rain all day
even with anti mist applied to the windows.
You looked like you enjoyed it even though you had a few streams across the track
Quote from: "HUTTY"Hi
Sorry we missed you at Cadwell but the weather as it was could not be worse for the testing of the changes we had
made to the car and running in new brake pads so backed out of the day.
Another reason why is that we do not run a heater to save weight which is ok for short races but not for rain all day
even with anti mist applied to the windows.
You looked like you enjoyed it even though you had a few streams across the track
It was a lot worse early on, I don't blame you. If I was local and hadn't traveled all that way then I would have given it a miss too.
I'll book into the b&b next year and have another go s;) ;) s;)
Another few laps of a very, very, very wet Cadwell Park
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For Cadwell that's not wet that's slightly damp s:D :D s:D
Alan...
Crikey that was really wet.
Well done i think i would have bottled it and gone home.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Crikey that was really wet.
Well done i think i would have bottled it and gone home.
I had invested a lot of time, effort and money getting there, I wanted to do a few laps! s:) :) s:)
Some pictures from opentrack's website
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Impressively quick given the conditions.
Wetter than an Otters pocket
Ballsy effort good sir s8) 8) s8)
Great video from Cadwell - its a narrow track with little run off so very nice tidy driving there in the wet.
I'm plotting a trip to Brands at the end of November on a Saturday - Bookatrack have a day there on the 29th .. tempted?
Quote from: "BenF"Great video from Cadwell - its a narrow track with little run off so very nice tidy driving there in the wet.
I'm plotting a trip to Brands at the end of November on a Saturday - Bookatrack have a day there on the 29th .. tempted?
Thanks s:) :) s:)
That is tempting, but the day after my work Christmas party.....considering I'm normally not fit for crawling out of bed, I don't think track driving is a good idea s:D :D s:D
Fitted my remaining hard to brackets this morning. Had to drill out one of the front bracket screws, damn loctite!
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Notice I painted them satin black before fitting. Might try to trim down the rear hard top plastics as it looks a bit odd without them
Your smooth wheel work really comes into it's own in bad weather!
You really should some sprints or hill climbs. If you need some pit crew....... s;-) ;-) s;-)
I've ordered a hardtop kit from rogue :-) :-) :-)
I really love your build I hope to see this next year in the flesh
Thanks chaps s:) :) s:)
It would be good to get on track with a few MR2s next year, it would be good to do another toyota day somewhere like Blyton, really enjoyed that day
Well the last 6 months have been great fun with the MR2, I've learnt a lot about how it drives, how I tend to drive and how to get the best out of it.
I've also learnt its weaknesses; the two main being power and corner stability, mainly body roll.
But all good things come to an end and with the tax expiring at the end of the month, I've SORN the MR2, given it a good clean inside and out and tucked it in the garage with its nice new breathable cover from CoverKings.
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It might make a few appearances over the winter (via trailer, obviously) but I will see how I feel.
Plans to address the two issues above are;
Power; 2zz conversion - I'm still not sure if I'll get this done over the winter or not yet, it depends on a few things, money included (I'm really trying not to just throw money at this car!) but it's certainly on the list in the next 12 months
Body roll; I'm collecting parts already for a suspension refresh;
TTE front and rear anti roll bars - got (thanks to SteveMk3)
New ARB drop links front and rear - got
Arb bushes front and rear - from Camskill, need to order.
BC Type RH coilovers (with camber adjusters) - hopefully via the group buy.
Also going to change to slotted brake rotors (ebc most likely) and get some new pads, might try the carbotech this time. The Hawk pads are brilliant, but I might just try something else for the sake of it. New fluid too, of course and paint the calipers as they look a bit tatty.
Other than that, power steering fluid change (it looks very black!) and a new UJ if I can find one.
Then tax and test in March / April time and go from there!
A man with a plan s:) :) s:)
Give us a shout if you need a hand.
Quote from: "peppyuk"A man with a plan s:) :) s:)
Give us a shout if you need a hand.
Thanks, likewise!
I am interested in sprints or hill climbs etc, but don't know what / how / where etc!
Im trying to make steps to making the car more fun on track s:) :) s:) now ive been on track i get all my hard driving done there s:) :) s:)
Disks for me aswell but yellow stuff pads front and green back.
sleep well in your new good looking cover s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
sounds like you have a good plan for next year and a happy shopping list s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Another few laps of a very, very, very wet Cadwell Park
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6:50 s:D :D s:D
Good work! Looks really fun/terrifying s8) 8) s8) s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
It gets really light over the mountain! Was quite surprised given the low speeds.
Well my Winter refresh parts bill just got bigger, I've now ordered a roll cage for the car, and I have a trusty welding friend lined up to weld it in for me s:) :) s:)
Just got to wait about 6 weeks for delivery!
I've now got all the parts in the garage for the ARB upgrade; bars, drop links, bushes, but I will wait until I have the coilovers to do it all in one hit
It's nice having a collecting of shiny new parts s:D :D s:D
Give me a shout if you need a hand fitting them.
What have your gone for Mark - full cage or just rear hoop?
At the moment rear section (half cage) but with the option to go full in the future should I wish to s:) :) s:)
Fitting it yourself?
Yes, one of my friends used to be a welder by trade so I just need to hire a MIG and he said he would come round and weld the feet in for me s:) :) s:)
How much did the half cage cost and where from pm if easier
I love collecting new parts :-) :-) :-) then having some time set aside to get them all on
As ever my eyes are peeled to this project s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown: s
Apart from having all my arb drop links and bushes now, I don't have any roadster news, well not directly, I have finally taken the plunge and bought a car suitable to tow the MR2 to events next year!
After a day's cleaning here's my new (to me) 320d "edition" MSport touring, with rather fetching tan leather and all the options: nav, phone, telematics, BBS WTCC wheels etc. Just need to fit the tow bar s:D :D s:D
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And here's some of my handy work...
Before
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After...
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ohhh shiney I do like a bit of shine s:) :) s:) looks good work I have to say well done s:) :) s:)
Thanks Puma, I must say its a lovely drive and very economical (59mpg on the way home from collecting it!)
Unfortunately for the mr2 I've been spending my pennies on the BMW not the MR2 so I need to get my ass into gear and get the MR2 up and running again now I can transport it to tracks s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks Puma, I must say its a lovely drive and very economical (59mpg on the way home from collecting it!)
They are good, I had one as a company car and it always averaged 55mpg, it got changed for one of the efficient dynamics models and it always showed 59mpg, regardless of how much progress you made. (was not me paying for the fuel so never verified just how accurate the on-board display was)
Well a bit of a good break today I saw the BC coilovers for sale in the classified so have agreed a deal with the seller, Steve "S12vea" and in a couple of weeks plan to remove them from his car with his help.
So that's all my suspension components sourced, I just need to pick some brake discs and pads s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Well a bit of a good break today I saw the BC coilovers for sale in the classified so have agreed a deal with the seller, Steve "S12vea" and in a couple of weeks plan to remove them from his car with his help.
So that's all my suspension components sourced, I just need to pick some brake discs and pads s:) :) s:)
If you need someone to bring biscuits or muscle let me know.
Biccys always welcome s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Well a bit of a good break today I saw the BC coilovers for sale in the classified so have agreed a deal with the seller, Steve "S12vea" and in a couple of weeks plan to remove them from his car with his help.
So that's all my suspension components sourced, I just need to pick some brake discs and pads s:) :) s:)
If you need someone to bring biscuits or muscle let me know.
You volunteering me Scott?
For muscle? Haha not likely desk jockey.
You can bring cake.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Well a bit of a good break today I saw the BC coilovers for sale in the classified so have agreed a deal with the seller, Steve "S12vea" and in a couple of weeks plan to remove them from his car with his help.
So that's all my suspension components sourced, I just need to pick some brake discs and pads s:) :) s:)
If you need someone to bring biscuits or muscle let me know.
More the merrier mate.
After the excitement of finding and buying a new car, my attention has been refocused on the MR2. One of my jobs over the winter is to tidy up the frunk; when I removed all the plastics and storage box I noticed a bit of rust so I wanted to clean it up and get it looking a bit less sorry for itself.
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I took the bonnet off to make access easier, and have started cleaning it up with a wire brush and a flapper wheel on the drill.
I need to investigate products to help with rust removal/ treatment before reprinting, so if anyone has any experience please let me know?
The power steering pipes and rack are suffering particularly.
I also went to remove the abs pump bracket and noticed it was rotten underneath so I'm on the look out for a replacement !
Practical Classics magazine reviewed several rust treatment/ protection products and found BiltHamber products range to be their favourite.
Not yet tried them myself yet but that is my plan for this winter.
The products are available direct from BH via the web and I understand Oilman on here offers some of their products.
I also found my ABS unit support bracket to have corroded away at the base.
I remade the bottom section thinking that those from breaker would likely also be rusted.
I' ve not seen any other reference to what is likely a widespread "problem"
Probably because you really have to be looking at it to see it.
Hope your build goes well and you get a good share of the biscuits!
Quote from: "Joesson"Practical Classics magazine reviewed several rust treatment/ protection products and found BiltHamber products range to be their favourite.
Not yet tried them myself yet but that is my plan for this winter.
The products are available direct from BH via the web and I understand Oilman on here offers some of their products.
I also found my ABS unit support bracket to have corroded away at the base.
I remade the bottom section thinking that those from breaker would likely also be rusted.
I' ve not seen any other reference to what is likely a widespread "problem"
Probably because you really have to be looking at it to see it.
Hope your build goes well and you get a good share of the biscuits!
Thank you very much for the information I will have a look into that. And great news Oilman sells their products, I like to support the site sponsors
Might do this myself! Wouldnt take masses if effort. Give the ps unit a clean up.
Rubbed down a lot of the rusty bits with a mixture of wire brush, flapper wheel and rough rust remover pad.
Cleaned and brush painted a rust preventer on all the rusty bits
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Then stripped the rubber mounts out the rad mounts
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Rubbed them back and painted the rust inhibitor on
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After an evening of go karting with my colleagues (yes, I won s:D :D s:D ) I came home and very crudely masked up the frunk ready to apply some primer.
Zinc rust preventer primer sprayed where required, 2 coats
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See how it looks in the morning and hopefully get some black and some blue where required s:D :D s:D
Managed to get a couple of coats of black on the ps rack, pipe work and rad brackets. Also a couple of coats of blue on the slam panel, but need to wait until the black has dried before I can do the cross member
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Just about there now, painted the blue bits and took all the news paper away. That local paper has never been so useful s:) :) s:)
Quite pleased with the results so far, I just need to get some new bolts for the rad mounts and refit them.
The next worst bits are the steering UJ which I need / want to replace and the Anti Roll Bar which is coming off in a couple of weeks and being replaced s:) :) s:)
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Looking good
Suspension updates...
I spent an hour or so at the weekend removing the rear ARB and the drop links, in preparation for fitting BC coilovers this weekend! s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
I knew the drop links wouldn't be easy to remove because when I fitted the springs back in April, I couldn't get them undone. So I went straight in with the hacksaw, they are surprisingly easy to get through. s:scared: :scared: s:scared: I then removed the shock from the car, and got the drop links off using a mole grip to stop it spinning; the allen key was completely rounded s:| :| s:|
I then "loosely" put the rear units back on the car so they will be quick to remove on Saturday. (15mins per side I believe). The fronts of course, are much simpler as there is no drop link to contend with.
The coilovers aren't the exact model I wanted, nor are they brand new, but I did need to have a bit of reality check with how much money I'm spending on this "cheap toy" so it's actually a perfect solution. Fitted together with the TTE ARBs (17mm rear, 22mm front with 3 way adjustment) I hope they will give me the improvements I'm hoping for! s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Pics to follow at the weekend s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Sit down and add the money up :-p
Smiles per miles to the £ I call it.
I blame this project myself as mine was £1350 worth of mr2 to have fun at the track with a few simple mods like brakes and now thanks to your project and a few others I've gone way passed it. For the money spent I could of changed my Subaru to a machine if widow makers haha
Keep up the good work
Quote from: "MrStev3"Sit down and add the money up :-p
Smiles per miles to the £ I call it.
I blame this project myself as mine was £1350 worth of mr2 to have fun at the track with a few simple mods like brakes and now thanks to your project and a few others I've gone way passed it. For the money spent I could of changed my Subaru to a machine if widow makers haha
Keep up the good work
I track it in a spreadsheet....it's scary when I total the cost column s:D :D s:D
I don't wanna track the cost but sometimes I can't help but add up the invoices lol
I bet you have spent a pretty penny on track days?
Llandow is £90 a throw and I've done 3 and most the ones
You have done are double that minimum and you have done a fair few s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Long and busy day today, not helped as I'm suffering with man-flu!
Drove 2hrs to Colchester and removed some coilovers from a car, and replaced them with my shocks and springs (removed from my car yesterday).
I then drove 2 hours back home and fitted said coilovers to my mr2.
I still need to fit the TTE anti roll bars; I have new bushes but my brackets don't fit over them so I now need to order some new mounting brackets.
No pictures unfortunately, time was against me. Will take some pics when I fit the TTE bars s:) :) s:)
Very happy now I have some BCs on my car though s:) :) s:)
Think that's plenty for one day well done.
Sorry if my constant chatting slowed you down.
Hopefully a swift recovery from the dreaded man flu.
Not at all, we got everything done so it's all good s:) :) s:)
Everyones a winner!
Have you decided what camber etc you are going to have set once you take it to have alignment done with the coilovers fitted?
No I haven't. To be honest I haven't experimented much on this car or previous so I take it to someone I trust who advises and sets it all up.
Last time I went I told him I was getting the coilovers etc and he was quite excited about adding some front camber in. I'll also get some of those bolts fitted on the back to have more adjustment, with the arms i have fitted that should be enough!
That sounds sensible, I spent this afternoon fitting my Teins, going to find the ride height I like and then look for a place to have the alignment done. I went for the camskill camber bolts as I was ordering other stuff from them but I noticed Demon Tweeks did Eibach and Whiteline camber bolts for not much more if you are after some.
How did you get on with fitting the teins? Have you driven it to test the ride comfort yet?
I need to order some anti roll bar bush brackets from camskill so I will probably just make the most of their expensive shipping cost and get some rear camber bolts from them too.
Did you ever get the decat fixed and fitted?
Nope haven't fitted the decat pipe yet, planning on getting a replacement flexible join and magnaflow sports cat welded in after xmas
Fitting Teins was slow as I ended up having to remove the rear anti roll bar in order to cut the drop links off it. Once fitted I raised the ride height so its about a 30mm drop, unlike the BCs you can't adjust the ride height independently of spring rate and 30mm drop is what the springs are optimised for. If I wanted to drop it 45mm I think I could buy harder Tein springs but I'm pretty happy with 30mm drop as I use it everyday and need to get over speed bumps etc.
I only went for a short test drive but was very pleased, definitely more steering feel with the pillow ball topmounts and no noticeable increase in noise from them, the steering did feel a little lighter but imagine that will change when I have the alignment corrected and camber added. I set the compression & rebound to 8 out of 16 for both the front and rear as a starting point but will do some experimenting and research in to how much stiffer the back should be compared to the front to find a good balance. I was extremely impressed by how the car handled, the ride seemed as comfortable as the standard dampers with uprated springs and less jarring over uneven road surfaces as I imagine they react a lot faster to bumps. However there felt like a significant increase in body control and the increase in front end grip was particularly noticeable.
How are the BC's?
They sound really good, I'm glad your happy with them. Probably showing why they are so much more expensive than the BC coilovers, which are known (it would seem) to be very hard on the road.
The rear anti roll bar is always a pain. When I fitted my spings I had to do it with the anti roll bar still attached because the the drop links were shot. When I removed them for the BCs, I just cut through them. To remove the drop link from the strut I used mole grips on the ball to stop it spinning.
The ROC drop links I have with my rear BCs are lovely through, came apart no problem at all (from the car I got them from).
I agree, a 30mm drop is probably optimal for looks and usability. I've not gone much lower than the tein springs were either, probably about 40mm all over.
Unfortunately I haven't driven my car since fitting the BCs, I have TTE anti roll bars to fit, so I took the old ones off, and went to fit the TTEs with the coilovers, and although I have new Superpro bushes, I didn't realise I needed bigger brackets too, so at the moment I have anti roll bars just sitting half in position!
I expect the BCs to be very hard though, most people say they don't like them day to day.
Can't wait to see how it handles on track though s:D :D s:D
I bet they'll be very impressive on track, for a trackday car the increased stiffness and adjustability of the BCs sound perfect, what sort or ratio of stiffness are you going to be running front to rear?
For what I want the Teins seem ideal, to me its not worth compromising the handling of the car for the 363 days of the year I only drive on the road just for the 2 days I do a trackday, I've been in enough cars with rock hard suspension to learn what equates to good handling on a smooth race track doesn't equate to good handling on twisty B roads!
I'll have to keep an eye out for the ROC drop links as don't fancy cutting another pair and will be really interested to hear how you get on with the TTE anti roll bars as they are next on my list. Have you got a rear strut brace? I've got a front strut brace and Matt's under car brace and wasn't going to bother with the rear after reading lots of comments about how the improvement was negligable but really glad I picked one up as I thought the improvement was pretty noticeable even with standard dampers.
hi, jsut to clarify did you get a rear brace as ive got the front and about to order matt's but likewise heard the back was negligable i was thinking of getting the ultra racing one if i get one so matches the front
I've got the ultra racing front upper and matt's brace under car, but use the stock rear bracing at the moment
i think it was around 145 for the ultra rear brace did try know a seller down if i ordered front and back together but wasnt having it
have you fitted a FL front lower brace?
Quote from: "tomaky"have you fitted a FL front lower brace?
Negative!
Suggest you do so, massive improvement over pre fl front end response dramtically improves, at very little weight gain, have a poo before a track day s:) :) s:)
Got one to sell or sommat?! s:D :D s:D
Nope just a strong believer in it, when i had my FL car i felt the front end was very responsive, then when i bought the pr FL i felt the front end was horribly vague i had no confidence, so i lowered it thathelped a little. I bought a set of SP 12's with 205-40-17 and 245-35-17 and i got the responsiveness back, taken them off for the winter and the vagueness returned, so now that im being paid more and getting into the track days i managed to get one £45, put it on and the car has returned to being point and go again, the strut braces i feel dont do massive amounts due to how close they are to the bulk heads, but the lower h brace makes a noticeable change.
That's interesting thanks. Where did you find yours?
sorry to hijack how much difference does matt's brace make on facelift?
picked up off FB.
Quote from: "no1trancefan"sorry to hijack how much difference does matt's brace make on facelift?
I fitted a Corky's under car brace and noticed a significant difference with the handling feeling noticeably sharper. I then changed to Matt's brace, was nightmare to fit as one of the 6 bolts snapped which cost quite a bit to be re-tapped by a garage and had to adjust the 'H' brace which fits on top of it at the front. When I finally got it on I didn't notice much improvement over the Corky's to be honest (which I must get round to selling!)
When I was messing around trying to fit Matt's brace I had to remove the FL 'H' brace and drove it for a week and the front end felt alarmingly vague without it, going in to roundabouts at the same speed as I previously had resulted in the front end washing wide with little warning. I'd definitely recommend trying to find one if you can.
Odd that you had so much trouble fitting it. I'm on a Facelift but nothing needed removing. Also, 6 bolts? I only remember 4 unless I've forgotten already.
You can get a x brace from corky as well that is 10 bolts from memory. Also the lower corky front is better than stock fl because it has cross bracing as well. Also the rear lower corky attaches at more points than anything else I have seen, honestly worth a look.
Incase anybody is thinking of getting the Corky brace/s, I emailed him last night and he said he is retiring and has limited stock, so might be worth getting in quick!
I'm going to see how mine is with the ARBs, Coilovers, and cage fitted.
To be honest I found it really good as it was, just needed less body roll to stop the weight shifting.
If I find i need to dial out some understeer I'll look at options then.
ARB's might be the next thing on my lift then i will probably stop i hope/think/probably not.
100% not!
From chatting to people it appears that with a decent cage, the need for additional under bracing is largely irrelvant, and that along with adjustable arb's front and rear and a decent set of coilovers there is enough stiffness and adjustment to create a well handling car - wet and dry.
Quote from: "shnazzle"Odd that you had so much trouble fitting it. I'm on a Facelift but nothing needed removing. Also, 6 bolts? I only remember 4 unless I've forgotten already.
On mine there was a bolt at each corner and then two in the centre towards the rear where the standard 'mechano' brace bolts. I haven't come across anyone else having any issues fitting but mine was a bit of a nightmare and in hindsight probably would have just stuck with the corkys breastplate.
Well it's been all quiet on the mr2 front since the suspension marathon.
I've ordered the bits to finish the arb install.
I'm also planning to remove the stereo, centre console and build a new one a bit like the rouge centre panel, but with an oil gauge, battery shut off, go pro remote and usb power outlet. Oh, and also a charging connector for my CTEk charger.
I'll also buy or make door cards like rouge sell too and still waiting for my rear cage / roll hoop to be delivered.
Been a bit busy tarting up the tow car, after taking us 4 up around Germany, Belgium and Netherlands at Christmas, coving 750 miles in a single tank of fuel (58mpg!) I felt like treating it to some upgrades; retro fit xenon headlights and gloss grills up front and Dark line rears, plus a much needed clean!!
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Unfortunately for the MR2, I won't be doing any more work / anything that requires money to be spent until May now, because we booked a rather elaborate holiday yesterday for April, so not much time to save up! Bit of a shame because I was hoping to do a few track days in the next couple of months - but we haven't had a proper holiday for a few years so something's got to give s:) :) s:)
Bmw looks good.
The car will still be there after the holiday so go enjoy !!
I used a 530d as a tow car for a while, it was a great car to tow with and far better than my current Freelander!
Do you know the max tow weight of the 320d as the idea of a 'slightly' smaller estate than a 5 series is appealing.
Just a had a really good read of your thread, you have done some very good work far and I take my hat off to you sir for some of your track days in the wet, ballsy!!!
I have just picked up my car to start my 2zz conversion, I have a celica sat on my drive with a fully rebuilt 2zzge and stage 2 cams in so I think im probably go to do a very similar build to you just backwards, all booked in with a guy called Patrick, over on IMOC, for March 1st so my aim is for a short track sprint for 20 mins at castle combe in May!
Also noticed you are in Hampshire, i live in Fareham myself!
Quote from: "MilesH"I used a 530d as a tow car for a while, it was a great car to tow with and far better than my current Freelander!
Do you know the max tow weight of the 320d as the idea of a 'slightly' smaller estate than a 5 series is appealing.
I was looking at a 530d but I didn't like the interior (cheap feel) and was a bit big for my every day car. The 3er is great I really do love it, which I'm surprised about.
I think the tow limit is 1600kg for this one. Enough for the MR2 and a heavy trailer.
Quote from: "Sadlebag"Just a had a really good read of your thread, you have done some very good work far and I take my hat off to you sir for some of your track days in the wet, ballsy!!!
I have just picked up my car to start my 2zz conversion, I have a celica sat on my drive with a fully rebuilt 2zzge and stage 2 cams in so I think I'm probably go to do a very similar build to you just backwards, all booked in with a guy called Patrick, over on IMOC, for March 1st so my aim is for a short track sprint for 20 mins at castle combe in May!
Also noticed you are in Hampshire, i live in Fareham myself!
Hiya, sounds really interesting! Farnham isn't all that far really, we often go down to gunwharf.
Interested to hear about Patrick, where is he based?
What swap manifold are you going for? What are you doing regarding wiring, rep inning the loom and. Adding the vvtli plugs?
Quote from: "MrStev3"Bmw looks good.
The car will still be there after the holiday so go enjoy !!
When you going to Vegas...might see you there s:D :D s:D
I'm in Arizona until the 12th then Vegas :-) :-) :-) until the 19th
Quote from: "MrStev3"I'm in Arizona until the 12th then Vegas :-) :-) :-) until the 19th
Which month?
This month sorry ooops
Yeah going Friday hence the track car in hold so I can shoot guns, gamble, drive and get drunk and fat yes fat lol
Cars looking good mate, just been looking through the thread especially the front end tidy up looks good, hopefully mine won't take too long getting the wishbone of was a nightmare tho
Cheers Tommy
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Hiya, sounds really interesting! Farnham isn't all that far really, we often go down to gunwharf.
Interested to hear about Patrick, where is he based?
What swap manifold are you going for? What are you doing regarding wiring, rep inning the loom and. Adding the vvtli plugs?
Not at all, Im a regular on Celica club UK as ive owned celicas for the last 6 years, i even organise an annual meet up portsdown hill with about 35 cars.
He is based in Eastbourne so going to drive down with the new engine where the passenger seat goes. He charges Approx £1000 for the conversion but you have to supply the engine and box and the manifold, I'm going with the one off Monkey Wrench Racing (£300) as it was recommended by him by to be honest I'm not all that clued up to what a good manifold is on the MR2???
He uses the 1zzge wiring loom and solders in the VVTLI solenoid and oil pressure switch into it. He then re pins the ECU plug to suit. I have a fair old big list on my car which i need to sort on mine first ideally... Should really start a thread.
Quote from: "MrStev3"This month sorry ooops
Yeah going Friday hence the track car in hold so I can shoot guns, gamble, drive and get drunk and fat yes fat lol
Have a great time bet you can't wait
Just paid for my roll hoop and arranged delivery for next Monday ... Can't wait s:) :) s:)
Where did you buy the roll over hoop from?
I got it from Performance & Protection. See Tims 2zz thread for pics of his, we both ordered one (although mine isn't red) s:) :) s:)
It looks really impressive in those photos, would like one myself but still want to be able to use the soft top and I think the only roll over bar I've seen that allows that is the hard dog one from the US.
Quote from: "js1mr2"It looks really impressive in those photos, would like one myself but still want to be able to use the soft top and I think the only roll over bar I've seen that allows that is the hard dog one from the US.
Same as me, I'm close to just getting the hard dog one.
I can understand that.
The hard dog is a nice bit of kit it must be said, but these cars are very difficult to fit a cage to, there isn't a a "perfect" solution like the mx5s which are far easier to accommodate!
Yes it is a shame. Is the cage from Performance and Protection an 'off the shelf' one that they build for you but have sold the same design previously or is it more of a custom one that they build to your spec?
Performance and protection are the manufacturer of the cages fitted to many of the mr2 championship cars.
What Tim found, and kindly let me know, is effectively just the rear section of that cage. It is also upgradeable to the full cage later on buy purchasing the front section, as the mounting points are there to bolt it together.
Is it is an "off the shelf" design, but specifically made to order...if that makes sense! s:) :) s:)
That siad if you wanted to customise it I would think they would be willing to hear your ideas, they seem like a friendly, flexible company to be honest. They make custom cages for all types of cars
Had the morning off work to receive a delivery this morning so got the car out and did a bit more work;
Rear TTE ARB now fitted with Superpro bushes and new clamps (the bushes are too big for the standard clamp)
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You can also see my newly acquired BC coilovers and ROC drop links.
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These were infinity reference I fitted a few years ago when we first got the car, so they will be for sale along with other stuff removed shortly.
Then I started stripping out the centre console of headunit and ash tray etc.
Then, as I was packing up, my delivery arrived, so I could resist checking it out :
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Love it! So pleased with the quality. Massive thanks to Tim3 for doing the leg work, really owe him one.
Just need to get it welded up now!
Still to do;
- Mount front TTE Arb (need new clamps)
- Hopefully get on the group buy for the Wilwood brakes . If not, new disks and pads all round.
- Fit cage
- make new centre console
- install oil gauges
- relocate new smaller battery to the Frunk
I'm not planning any track days untill at least June / July because of this work and holidays but will be worth the wait s:D :D s:D
Looking good mark.
Seriously jealous of the roc links.
Sorry to say mark they not roc links they look like twoRus links. Either way its coming on, also ive asked about rear wilwood set as well that might come on.
Quote from: "rbuckingham"Sorry to say mark they not roc links they look like twoRus links. Either way its coming on, also ive asked about rear wilwood set as well that might come on.
Thanks for the info, appreciate.
Doesn't bother me, they seem pretty good quality
Excellent, coming on in leaps and bounds.
Coming on really well. Really like the half cage, it looks well very made, what sort of weight is it?
It's not very heavy actually, I was surprised. Not sure on exact weight but I easily lifted and positioned onto the car myself.
Looking good Mark! Suspension upgrade should be great, I didn't realise you had adjustable rear arms as well. Where did you get those from?
Cage weighs 17.1kg by the way! Also have you noticed the little tabs welded on the main hoop, I didn't ask for those, but think they are for running standard belts? What do you reckon?
Still needs a new color dude s;) ;) s;)
Looking good! how much would i be looking at for a set of the rear tt3 arb with same bushes and clamps as you have there? how long have the bks been on now?
Quote from: "TiM3"Looking good Mark! Suspension upgrade should be great, I didn't realise you had adjustable rear arms as well. Where did you get those from?
Cage weighs 17.1kg by the way! Also have you noticed the little tabs welded on the main hoop, I didn't ask for those, but think they are for running standard belts? What do you reckon?
I bought the arms from someone on here actually. They were new and boxed. I only got them because my old arms were siezed and couldn't do any adjustment, then while trying to free them noticed my subframe was corroded...so went the whole hog...as you do s:) :) s:)
I noticed the tabs, I wondered what they were for. Now you say it that does make sense, nice touch if so!
So I need to lose an additional 17kg from the car? All the audio equipment must way a bit, the plastic trays I had previously left in place and maybe the lightweight battery....that should do it s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "peteyb"Still needs a new color dude s;) ;) s;)
Got any samples yet s:D :D s:D
I might have s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "no1trancefan"Looking good! how much would i be looking at for a set of the rear tt3 arb with same bushes and clamps as you have there?
Not sure you can get TTE ard anymore saw some on ebay a few months ago,
Whitline seem to be the easiest option.
You can source TRD from Japan or go with Syderchat who are having some custom made but will be expensive by the time you factor in shipping and tax
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "no1trancefan"Looking good! how much would i be looking at for a set of the rear tt3 arb with same bushes and clamps as you have there?
Not sure you can get TTE ard anymore saw some on ebay a few months ago,
Whitline seem to be the easiest option.
You can source TRD from Japan or go with Syderchat who are having some custom made but will be expensive by the time you factor in shipping and tax
That's correct, I got lucky and got a new unused set from a member on here.
The bushes and clamps cost more than expected, probably about £75.
If doing it again I would just buy whiteline and be done with it.
Looks brilliant Mark.
Nice build, I am impressed. s8) 8) s8)
This looks awesome and has helped my post USA depression today.
Bar looks fantastic
Hope to see this in the flesh soon.
looking good there meerrk some nice additions, especially the roll hoop
cheers tommy
It is looking like a really great track day weapon s:D :D s:D
Well the whole "not spending and saving for holiday" thing didn't last long.
I just joined the group buy for a set of Wilwood 4 pot calipers and discs
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To be honest I was going to buy discs, pads and refurb calipers anyway so it's not as elaborate as it sounds ... Or at least that's what I need to say when my mrs finds out s:D :D s:D
Car is going to be quite different when I drive it next time!
Only the fronts? s:) :) s:)
Surely a full refurb would include the rear as well s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Build is looking good.
Maybe, I'll see how expensive the rear set works out at
By christ i want the wilwoods s:( :( s:(
Best of luck with the wife. You might be sleeping with those calipers for a while.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Best of luck with the wife. You might be sleeping with those calipers for a while.
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Jealous is not even a word I would use lol. Car is coming along nicely!
My brakes are fully refurb with race pads and I do like them. Your more then welcome to have a go at them before heading out getting bigger calipers mate
Quote from: "Vietts"Jealous is not even a word I would use lol. Car is coming along nicely!
My brakes are fully refurb with race pads and I do like them. Your more then welcome to have a go at them before heading out getting bigger calipers mate
Yeah, but look at 'em s:D :D s:D
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You'll have some epic stopping power soon , so much so you might get a nose bleed hahaha
I was tempted with the brakes, however there are some terrible reviews on Dynalites for track work due to flex so decided against it. Had Midilites on my Nova and they were decent though, however quite a bit more expensive.
Quote from: "Lee H"I was tempted with the brakes, however there are some terrible reviews on Dynalites for track work due to flex so decided against it. Had Midilites on my Nova and they were decent though, however quite a bit more expensive.
Interesting. We'll see how they fair. You never know if you don't try.
I'm not even 100% certain the GB is going to happen due to numbers if I'm honest.
I really do struggle to just leave the car alone sometimes, especially if I'm at home and bored (I'm not really a tv watcher!)
Keep seeing a 350z locally with some rather tasty track looking mods, and I noticed last week he has painted the Yokohama on his tyres, thought it looked cool so had a go myself, might do all 4 as I think it looks cool in a daft kinda way (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/01/30/4f63ba8c221528d4c9ebf2415d98e5f2.jpg)
I then carried on gutting out the lower dash centre console as I am making a new replacement panel out of aluminium which will house the following
- Gauge for oil temp, pressure and water temp
- Battery master
- Ctek charge point
- 2x USB outlet
- GoPro WIFI remote.
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The i decided to trim the hard top plastics to fit them back on around the rogue mounts. Pointless, but I love to keep busy.
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I've ended up doing a full circle on choice of gauge(s) and opted for one multi gauge, as mentioned a few months ago.
I've got one of these Depo ones on order now.
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As I have removed the stereo and all the speakers, I removed the aerial and sold it. So I made a bung for the rear wing
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Just need to glue it in place.
This weekend I'd like to get the aluminium bent to shape for the centre console and get the rogue seat mounts painted black.
Neat job on the plastics I need to do mine too.
Like the gauges, going in your custom centre console?
Tv is pants in general, cars more fun.
Yeah the gauge will go down where the radio used to be. I was thinking about having 3 individual gauges and making a pod for the dash like the MWR one
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But couldn't pick a set of gauges I liked and couldn't be doing with the hassle of trying to make something look good enough without it bugging me too much !
I had gauges on my old Subaru a few years back and they drove me insane lol
Bloody boost needle catching my eye.
But I do like a nice gauge good sir I say s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
What you making your console out of? Aluminium sheet?
I still need to make my door cards and that's what I was gonna use after my cardboard mock up
Yes some 2mm alu sheet. Hoping to get it formed today.
I was thinking about door cards, not sure about them now. I've removed all the speakers etc and the door cards are very light, for the look and interior feel you maintain by keeping them, I'm not sure if it's worth removing them for alu replacements.
Same here more doors are stripped there's nout there that's not needed
Incase you don't end up happy with the alu sheet (as I get the impression you are quite a perfectionist from your thread s;) ;) s;) ), another option is polycarbonate. I went for 4mm and bent it to shape which was quite easy with a heat gun.
I went for clear polycarb and wrapped it but you can get all sorts of colours:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/miles25/WP_20150120_13_36_19_Pro_zpsa26bf764.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/miles25/media/WP_20150120_13_36_19_Pro_zpsa26bf764.jpg.html)
Quote from: "MilesH"Incase you don't end up happy with the alu sheet (as I get the impression you are quite a perfectionist from your thread s;) ;) s;) ), another option is polycarbonate. I went for 4mm and bent it to shape which was quite easy with a heat gun.
I went for clear polycarb and wrapped it but you can get all sorts of colours:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/miles25/WP_20150120_13_36_19_Pro_zpsa26bf764.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/miles25/media/WP_20150120_13_36_19_Pro_zpsa26bf764.jpg.html)
How much did it set you back?
Quote from: "MilesH"Incase you don't end up happy with the alu sheet (as I get the impression you are quite a perfectionist from your thread s;) ;) s;) ), another option is polycarbonate. I went for 4mm and bent it to shape which was quite easy with a heat gun.
I went for clear polycarb and wrapped it but you can get all sorts of colours:
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y271/miles25/WP_20150120_13_36_19_Pro_zpsa26bf764.jpg) (http://s7.photobucket.com/user/miles25/media/WP_20150120_13_36_19_Pro_zpsa26bf764.jpg.html)
That looks really smart! Thanks for sharing.
I have bent the alu sheet, I think I'm happy with how it looks. Been planning on placement of all the items I want on there.
I could cover my alu in the carbon effect wrap, is that just the heat shrink stuff? Easy to use? Looks quite nice like that, I didn't know how to finish mine.
Quote from: "MrStev3"How much did it set you back?
The polycarbonate was £10.25:
m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360573769751? ... EBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360573769751?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&var=630081627511&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) m
and the vinyl was £9.99:
m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251146010288? ... EBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251146010288?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) m
I have enough left over to make another one if I need to as well.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"That looks really smart! Thanks for sharing.
I have bent the alu sheet, I think I'm happy with how it looks. Been planning on placement of all the items I want on there.
I could cover my alu in the carbon effect wrap, is that just the heat shrink stuff? Easy to use? Looks quite nice like that, I didn't know how to finish mine.
Good to hear you're happy with the alu sheet s:) :) s:)
The vinyl is the 3M stuff - the link is above.
where is that cage from ?
Quote from: "PhillRC"where is that cage from ?
Its from Performance Protection - It's effectively just the rear half of the cage they sell for the mr2 championship race cars
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "PhillRC"where is that cage from ?
Its from Performance Protection - It's effectively just the rear half of the cage they sell for the mr2 championship race cars
cool ill have to look into that i was going to buy a hard dog but it seems a pain
Quote from: "PhillRC"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "PhillRC"where is that cage from ?
Its from Performance Protection - It's effectively just the rear half of the cage they sell for the mr2 championship race cars
cool ill have to look into that i was going to buy a hard dog but it seems a pain
It's 6 of one....
The hard dog allows you to retain the soft top catch, there is no welding to fit it. But, you need to remove the fuel tank to fit it and the cost is crazy with shipping from the USA.
This one requires the feet to be welded in, which is easy a diy job (see Tim3 2zz thread) but you can't retain the soft top catch ( not as it is anyway, probably is possible). However, it is about half the price of the hard dog.
Quote from: "MilesH"Quote from: "MrStev3"How much did it set you back?
The polycarbonate was £10.25:
m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360573769751? ... EBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360573769751?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&var=630081627511&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) m
and the vinyl was £9.99:
m http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251146010288? ... EBIDX%3AIT (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251146010288?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT) m
I have enough left over to make another one if I need to as well.
Going to order some of that 3m stuff, thanks
I've been waiting a while, but finally got my gauge today. Oil pressure on the analogue gauges, oil temp, water temp and volts (not that useful) on the digital side.
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Also ended up buying a sandwich plate for temp and pressure and still need to buy a water temp adaptor. I think I need a 32mm one, but not certain on that yet.
Still need to finish building the centre console which will house the gauge. Bent the aluminium, but need a few more things before I start cutting holes in it
looking good meeerrrk mate i do like depo gauges, im to not sure about what size housing you need for the water sender or even what pipe to put it in yet, but going to be doing all this soon too in the next weekend or so, so be interested to see where you fit it,
cheers tommy
Can't wait to see said console :-) :-) :-) love the gauges
You will have a digital dash soon s;-) ;-) s;-)
Quote from: "MrStev3"Can't wait to see said console :-) :-) :-) love the gauges
You will have a digital dash soon s;-) ;-) s;-)
It's not going to be very exciting I'm afraid!
Digital dash would be cool but I think there are a million and one things on the car to spend money on first s:) :) s:)
Started messing about with the gauge and sensors , pressure and temp sensors in the sandwich plate.
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Next attention turned to powering the gauge. Because I don't have a radio anymore I took power from the radio harness. So I got a radio harness adaptor, took out the excess wires and left myself with power, switched power, Earth and illumination.
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Plugged it in to try; I opted for white in day time and red at night time (switched with the illumination feed)
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Need to drop the filter and fit the sandwich plate next s:) :) s:)
Not much progress but time is my biggest problem at the moment
looking good meeerrk mate some useful stuff for me as im doing the same jobs but terrible with electronics,
be good to see how the install looks once its done especially with all the stereo and cup holder removed.......full race s:) :) s:)
cheers tommy
Cheers Tommy, as I was saying, that white connector plugs into the car loom where the radio was and you then have power etc for your gauges!
cheers mate think im getting there, so i know now that black is (ground) yellow (12v positive) and red (switched with ignition 12v positive) , what does the orange do? blimey sounds like i know what im talking about s:) :) s:)
cheers tommy
The orange is illumination, so gives 12v when you turn your lights on. When you have a radio plugged in, that makes it change brightness at night.
I'm using it because my gauge has colour options for day / night but you won't need that.
If you get the cable I linked to, the wires actually have their job printed on them!
Managed to get the centre console finished off tonight.
Made a template (or 4!) to try different items in different positions, ended up picking this layout
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So drew it up on the aluminium and drilled the holes. From the template I realised I needed the gauge angled toward the driver so also turned the hood into an angle ring.
I then wrapped it using the 3m stuff as suggested by Miles (thanks!) and mounted the bits and pieces on...
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Still need to fit the gauge sensors, move the batter and install the new battery wiring before I can fit it...but it's one step closer s:) :) s:)
I'll put it in the car tomorrow and take a picture of it in place
I think it looks great.
Well done.
looking sweet that mark like how the gauge is tilted towards the driver s:) :) s:) be good to see the finished item fitted
cheers tommy
That looks pucker :-) :-) :-)
Thanks chaps I'll get some pics in the car, just need to properly attach the battery isolator.
Looks good, I like that s:) :) s:)
I assume you are not planning to run an external cut off pull on the isolator switch as the cable routing would likely end up looking very untidy and block other switches if you needed to run a cable from the switch to a pull on the outside of the car.
Quote from: "MilesH"Looks good, I like that s:) :) s:)
I assume you are not planning to run an external cut off pull on the isolator switch as the cable routing would likely end up looking very untidy and block other switches if you needed to run a cable from the switch to a pull on the outside of the car.
Thanks. The 3m stuff worked out well s:) :) s:)
I might do in the future, I have purposely positioned the switch where I could fit a bracket for the pull cord if required, a bit like what Tim has done on his one. Maybe, in the future!
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "MilesH"Looks good, I like that s:) :) s:)
I assume you are not planning to run an external cut off pull on the isolator switch as the cable routing would likely end up looking very untidy and block other switches if you needed to run a cable from the switch to a pull on the outside of the car.
Thanks. The 3m stuff worked out well s:) :) s:)
I might do in the future, I have purposely positioned the switch where I could fit a bracket for the pull cord if required, a bit like what Tim has done on his one. Maybe, in the future!
Nice one, you've obviously thought about it and have a solution s:) :) s:)
I did take a while to work out the best layout. Even so the Alu sheet was about £5 and who doesn't love a bit of metal bashing s:) :) s:)
Not much going on with my car at the moment, all my pennies going toward holiday. But I've got a few bits gathered up ready for a bit of work;
- Front ARB clamps to fit the new bushes
- Rear discs (dimpled and grooved)
- Rear yellow stuff pads
- Black calliper paint for rears
- My centre console (as above)
- Oil sandwich plate for sensors
- Water temp adapter for sensor
- New smaller, lighter "Powervamp" battery to mount in the Frunk
- The roll hoop as pictured earlier (will need help welding in feet)
- Waiting for delivery of Wilwood front brake kit
Still to buy/do
- Battery cable for relocation
- Paint drivers side seat mounts
- Geo / Alignment after suspension fitting.
Finally, I've started to gather parts for the long awaited 2zz conversion. Peppy's engine for sale made me think about it and although not ready at the moment, it won't hurt to get all the parts together ready for when I'm ready.
I don't think I'll be out on track till August time to be honest s:( :( s:( but the car will be mega by then and completely different to how it was last year! s:D :D s:D
You could always take the bmw if you get an urge before august s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Liking that panel! Very smart.
Quote from: "MrStev3"You could always take the bmw if you get an urge before august s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
I might steal the 350z s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "MrStev3"You could always take the bmw if you get an urge before august s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
I might steal the 350z s:D :D s:D
Where there's a will, there's a way s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Been cleaning it after a winter of filth and trying my new camera out (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/04/1a202f9a3f0e94b25c318f5aaef1853e.jpg)
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That looks lovely especially with the black bits! I had a coupe when they came out back in 2003. Gunmetal with GT pack and Rays, I think I enjoyed owning that car more than any other I've had! Prefer them to the 370 which followed.
looking good meerrk buddy, any updates on the gauges?
cheers tommy
Quote from: "TiM3"That looks lovely especially with the black bits! I had a coupe when they came out back in 2003. Gunmetal with GT pack and Rays, I think I enjoyed owning that car more than any other I've had! Prefer them to the 370 which followed.
I'd prefer a coupe, but it wasn't entirely my choice! Sounds like your one is the spec I'd choose too!
They are good driving cars, bit clumsy round town but come alive when opened up.
Quote from: "tommyzoom99"looking good meerrk buddy, any updates on the gauges?
cheers tommy
Ive done nothing mate s:( :( s:(
I'm still waiting for the replacement water temp adaptor.
Might get the car out on Saturday and run the wires etc, sounds like I might have the morning off chores s:) :) s:)
Loveing the Z dude s:D :D s:D I really miss my old one sometimes s:( :( s:( I almost bought a supercharged one late last year but decided to stick with mr2's a bit longer
Have you tracked it? They are loads of fun on track
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That track day cost the company 4 new Tyres haha
Quote from: "vinp182"Loveing the Z dude s:D :D s:D I really miss my old one sometimes s:( :( s:( I almost bought a supercharged one late last year but decided to stick with mr2's a bit longer
Have you tracked it? They are loads of fun on track
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That track day cost the company 4 new Tyres haha
Not yet....tyres and clutch scare me a bit!
I took a couple of pics of my new goodies...
Rear MTEK dimpled and slotted disks and yellow stuff pads
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New powervamp battery for frunk
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And finally the centre console thing in place (just leaning, not wired up or screwe down yet)
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How is that Go Pro remote houses in there? What do you do when you need to charge it? Absolutely love the idea though!
Quote from: "Jrichards20"How is that Go Pro remote houses in there? What do you do when you need to charge it? Absolutely love the idea though!
It's just a clip in bracket, the remote clips out. I have a twin usb point on the bottom right of the panel should I need to charge it on the go, but otherwise I can remove it to charge (or use elsewhere)
I used to have the same set up just stuck to the ashtray lid s:) :) s:)
Ah yes, its like a belt attachment on the back, and i suppose the bracket is glued to the console. Love your car but I think that bit is really good. I think that layout is really good, looks very professional s:) :) s:)
That look awesome. Makes me wanna do that to mine and put all my gauges there.hmmmm
What have you chooses to put on your centre console, can't work out what half them are?
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Ah yes, its like a belt attachment on the back, and i suppose the bracket is glued to the console. Love your car but I think that bit is really good. I think that layout is really good, looks very professional s:) :) s:)
Thanks s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Sadlebag"What have you chooses to put on your centre console, can't work out what half them are?
Top left going round
Oil pressure, temp water temp gauge, go pro remote, isolation master switch l, twin usb outlet, ctek maintenance charger point, 12v cig outlet
can you use the rogue motorsport seat rails with standard seat belts ?
Quote from: "PhillRC"can you use the rogue motorsport seat rails with standard seat belts ?
It's not designed to, but it is possible i think.
You would have to remove the seatbelt clip gubbins from the factory seat, I'm not sure how that's mounted. But providing you can remove it and mount it back on the rail then I don't see why not
Momentous day today.
Went to Kent and bought an MR2 6 speed gearbox from a breaker for the unbelievable price of £125.
Nothing strange about that, but momentous because it is the first part I have procured for the 2zz swap s:D :D s:D
Very sad to see a breaker taking a cutting disk to the back of an mr2 just to rip out an engine and gearbox !
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Momentous day today.
Went to Kent and bought an MR2 6 speed gearbox from a breaker for the unbelievable price of £125.
Nothing strange about that, but momentous because it is the first part I have procured for the 2zz swap s:D :D s:D
Very sad to see a breaker taking a cutting disk to the back of an mr2 just to rip out an engine and gearbox !
By the way I'm not using the mr2 6speed, just using the shifter shaft and reverse block out, LSD and maybe (depends on cost) the 6th gear from it
You sir have 2zz fever and we know you've had it for a while s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Just re read this thread from the start, oh man, wish I hadnt, craving another MR2 right now s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Just re read this thread from the start, oh man, wish I hadnt, craving another MR2 right now s:( :( s:(
Staying on ROC isn't going to help your cause either. Just give in and come back.
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Just re read this thread from the start, oh man, wish I hadnt, craving another MR2 right now s:( :( s:(
Sorry old chap... But glad to be of assistance s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "MrStev3"You sir have 2zz fever and we know you've had it for a while s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Yes I do. I've been going to 2zz anonymous and am now tackling my addiction head on. s;) ;) s;)
Zero manifold with my name on is currently being manufactured s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "MrStev3"You sir have 2zz fever and we know you've had it for a while s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Yes I do. I've been going to 2zz anonymous and am now tackling my addiction head on. s;) ;) s;)
Zero manifold with my name on is currently being manufactured s:D :D s:D
MegaBucks Meeerrk!
Mucho mulah manifold!
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "MrStev3"You sir have 2zz fever and we know you've had it for a while s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Yes I do. I've been going to 2zz anonymous and am now tackling my addiction head on. s;) ;) s;)
Zero manifold with my name on is currently being manufactured s:D :D s:D
MegaBucks Meeerrk!
Mucho mulah manifold!
When you look at the full details, it isn't too bad.
The Che / ebay one isn't an option for me.
The MWR ones has two O2 sensor bungs which aren't needed so need plugging or welding and comes in around £300 ish
Ddpr is $500 plus $250 shipping! Plus tax.
Ppe is mega bucks and you also have to buy a mid pipe.
So £460 and supporting UK manufacturing etc isn't all that bad. Plus his quality is renowned.
I was thinking about the MWR one but I knew deep down I'll always regret not getting the zero.
There isn't a cheap option, really. Unfortunately s:( :( s:(
No criticism mate.
It is what i would have if i was you.
The better that 2zz flows the better.
You ain't wrong
I've had a free evening tonight so spent a few hours in the garage.
Mounted the Powervamp battery in the Frunk (not as smaller job as it sounds)!
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Sorry for the dark photos the light is just rearward of the bonnet so when its up, it blocks alot of light out! Really need to sort that out.
I then made a bit of progress with the centre console...I know what you're thinking....STILL haven't finished that?!
This time wiring; 12v cig outlet (taken direct from the factory cig lighter connections) and the USB wired to the same circuit, all working nicely.
The I grabbed the sensors for the gauge and tried it all out. I'm really pleased with the gauge; it looks really good.
Car's lights off:
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Car lights on:
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I'm just waiting for my battery cable to arrive so I can wire up the battery and kill switch (also need to work out what wire is for ignition from the barrel)
Finally, I've taken the decision to not run the car again untill it is 2zz powered later this year.
Before then, I'll get the stock exhaust system back on and get it MOT'd around May/June time, then take the engine out ready for the swap!
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"When you look at the full details, it isn't too bad.
The Che / ebay one isn't an option for me.
The MWR ones has two O2 sensor bungs which aren't needed so need plugging or welding and comes in around £300 ish
Ddpr is $500 plus $250 shipping! Plus tax.
Ppe is mega bucks and you also have to buy a mid pipe.
So £460 and supporting UK manufacturing etc isn't all that bad. Plus his quality is renowned.
I was thinking about the MWR one but I knew deep down I'll always regret not getting the zero.
There isn't a cheap option, really. Unfortunately s:( :( s:(
Unless the Zero manifold is a copy of the PPE 4-1 you may as well just get a £120 ebay one. If you've ever seen what a Corolla / Celica 2ZZ manifold and downpipe looks like, you'll know why.
I wouldn't have an ebay one, but thanks for the suggestion
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I've had a free evening tonight so spent a few hours in the garage.
Mounted the Powervamp battery in the Frunk (not as smaller job as it sounds)!
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Sorry for the dark photos the light is just rearward of the bonnet so when its up, it blocks alot of light out! Really need to sort that out.
Tell me I am being daft, but isn't there a chance in heavy rain/puddles that it can soak the battery?
You aren't being daft, but it doesn't tend to get that wet under there. Even if it does, not really that bothered
are you coming to three sisters this sunday??
Not a chance! Mother's Day + friend owns a florist = no!
Ha ive got mothers day, cousins birthday, friends birthday. FML
Battery cabling has arrive so I can get the battery installed in the Frunk now.
Opted to have it professionally made rather than messing with crimps myself s:) :) s:) (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/12/34d8d6ebfcf5d23400943dc95381e915.jpg)
looking good meerrk buddy the gauge install looks ace s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: , have you managed to plum all the senders in yet?
cheers tommy
Quote"Meeerrrk"
The Che / ebay one isn't an option for me.
Not that I'll be buying any more for my MR2 until the wedding, but just wondering what's wrong with the che one, and why the zero is better?
Great thread by the way
I think the zero one is a constant diameter where the che isnt.
For the standard mr2 engine, the che one is fine
With you now, cheers
I relocated battery to front, used 34Ah battery, but found 22 mm2 section cable too thin, tha car had problems starting. Then I added another 30 mm2 wire (together 52 mm2) and car starts just fine. The lenght of the cable was about 4,3m
Quote from: "jaworjawor"I relocated battery to front, used 34Ah battery, but found 22 mm2 section cable too thin, tha car had problems starting. Then I added another 30 mm2 wire (together 52 mm2) and car starts just fine. The lenght of the cable was about 4,3m
Oh! Might have a problem then!
I'm using 25mm2 cable and around 5m in total.
Will find out soon I guess s:( :( s:(
Thanks for the heads up
Just for referance I've driven a couple 2zz converted cars with ebay manifold and 1 with the expensive one from MWR and the difference is night and day.... The ebay one strangles the engine so much its unreal
Look forward to seeing your zero one dude s:) :) s:) Have you got the donor car yet?
Quote from: "vinp182"Just for referance I've driven a couple 2zz converted cars with ebay manifold and 1 with the expensive one from MWR and the difference is night and day.... The ebay one strangles the engine so much its unreal
Look forward to seeing your zero one dude s:) :) s:) Have you got the donor car yet?
You aren't the first to say that so it fills me with a bit of confidence I didn't waste money!
Planning on a lightened flywheel too, as recommended, makes a good feel to the engine.
I'm trying to secure the stuff I need at the moment Vinny s:) :) s:)
Brake kit arrived today. All seems good!
Next day delivery from freaky parts, who have also supplied matching rear discs and yellow stuff pads for me. Well pleased.
Will get pics when unpacking / fitting s:) :) s:)
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Nice one get them fitted need to know what you think
Me too! Im curious too :-) :-) :-)
Brake porn
Quote from: "vinp182"Just for referance I've driven a couple 2zz converted cars with ebay manifold and 1 with the expensive one from MWR and the difference is night and day.... The ebay one strangles the engine so much its unreal
Look forward to seeing your zero one dude s:) :) s:) Have you got the donor car yet?
I'm calling bull on that. Driving 2 different cars means nothing and even if you drove the same car back to back with both manifolds you wouldn't notice the difference a couple of horse power would make anyway.
The design is the same and that's where the issue is. The ebay manifold is the same internal diameter as the standard 2zz manifold. There is no problem there, It's the 4-1 design of the PPE and stock 2zz manifold that make the difference coupled with the bore of the MR2 down pipe and the rest of the exhaust system not being large enough. I can measure and take photos of the standard Celica set up so you can see the difference.
Lol. You can call whatever you like boyo
This is someone's build thread, not a place for discussing opinions.. I gave my opinion based on my experiances which have included back to back tests. You don't know me, my background or have shared my experiances.. If youve had different experiances then that is fine just give your opinion instead of rambling on about someone else's s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I tend to agree Vinny, thanks for your valued input based on experience.
Can't wait to try it now s:D :D s:D
As Surrey rolling road is round the corner I may just take my car there with the 2zz installed and see what happens
SRR's new place is like one big oven!! Have you been there since it moved?
Quote from: "vinp182"Lol. You can call whatever you like boyo
This is someone's build thread, not a place for discussing opinions.. I gave my opinion based on my experiances which have included back to back tests. You don't know me, my background or have shared my experiances.. If you've had different experiances then that is fine just give your opinion instead of rambling on about someone else's s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I have to say I disagree with all of this, what escy wrote is based on simple fact and the truth is the zero manifold is extremely unlikely to offer any power gains over the ebay manifold because its the same flawed design. This may be someones build thread but that doesn't mean that the only discussion to be had here should be reinforcing the decisions the op's made, that just leads to false information being banded around the forum.
You haven't posted up any fact here, so unless you're willing to provide some actual details of these back to back tests then I'm afraid escy is right, it's bull.
Seems to me that there are 2 types of manifold, the good ppe/ppe copy in the group buy and the other bad aftermarket options which all suffer the same issue, only difference being the price.
There are other issues with the ebay manifold.
Let's not forget ESCY has vested interest in saying the ebay one is good seeing as he sells cars with them fitted s;) ;) s;)
Shall we move all this talk to the 2zz discussion?
Quote from: "Sadlebag"SRR's new place is like one big oven!! Have you been there since it moved?
No buddy I haven't. Is it a bit of a let down?
Because of noise regs the dyno is now sealed in, the only vent they have is one blower (about 20inches wide) which blows cold air behind the fan they have but personally I don't think its enough! I had intake temps of 62 degrees C when I had my gt4 on their dyno. I know someone with an rx7 who had 70 in there to!
Blimey. Where else is there local?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"There are other issues with the ebay manifold.
Let's not forget ESCY has vested interest in saying the ebay one is good seeing as he sells cars with them fitted s;) ;) s;)
Shall we move all this talk to the 2zz discussion?
A vested interest? Hardly, they don't cut the mustard from a performance point of view and I said as much to the last person I sold a 2ZZ car to. I do think the ebay manifold is great for the money as they are only £120 and as it's the only aftermarket hardware you need to fit a 2ZZ into a MR2 you have a cheap option (you initially said there isn't a cheap option). What's the other issues with them?
As far as I see it, there are 3 options for the MR2 manifold and system. Buy a cheap ebay one, use the standard exhaust set-up and be happy to accept the 175bhp you end up with (same you'll get with the MWR and Zero). If you can justify the extra £800 to get a PPE style system for the extra 15bhp then great, go for that. The other option is adapt the Corolla/Celica 2ZZ system and make your own going over the subframe (that's the way i'd be going on a track car).
You know i'm right as you've just spent £460 on a Zero manifold and yesterday looked into getting a PPE style one from the group buy.
I haven't spent anything on the manifold yet, and the reason I asked is because I want an exhaust system (not manifold) which will pass an mot, mine has no cat.
If you must know, I thought if I could have got one of those systems for a reasonable price I would have done but it looks like I'll have to spend money on my current system to have a cat welded in.
But thanks for telling me what I'm thinking, you are clearly a genius.
Well plenty of opinions there about a manifold, I guess Meerk will just have to go with his gut feelings.
Mind comparing a zero manifold with an eBay is pretty odd seeing as the zero is equal length and knife edge joins internally. Better than anything from mwr but probably not as optimal as a PPE.
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Well plenty of opinions there about a manifold, I guess Meerk will just have to go with his gut feelings.
Mind comparing a zero manifold with an eBay is pretty odd seeing as the zero is equal length and knife edge joins internally. Better than anything from mwr but probably not as optimal as a PPE.
Couldn't agree more.
When you chaps say "Zero" manifold, which one are you talking about? I need one for my swap, but refuse to use PPE based on previous experience with them.
Quote from: "J03"When you chaps say "Zero" manifold, which one are you talking about? I need one for my swap, but refuse to use PPE based on previous experience with them.
Yes sorry, Zero is a company who has been producing some rather nice manifolds, I didn't know he had produced a 2zz manifold but it wouldn't take much for him to do it with his experience.
m http://www.zeroexhausts.co.uk/ (http://www.zeroexhausts.co.uk/) m
Lovely cheers bud, I shall drop them an email. (Sorry for using your thread Meeerrrk) s:) :) s:)
If you order from Zero it would be worth double checking that he doesn't weld in the o2 sensor bosses as he does on the 1zz manifold.
I've double checked with Kevin and he doesn't weld sensor bungs in to the swap manifold, he did have one which did have bungs but that was specially ordered (which the buyer then never paid for)
He will do what ever you ask though, to be fair!
Quote from: "J03"Lovely cheers bud, I shall drop them an email. (Sorry for using your thread Meeerrrk) s:) :) s:)
Not an issue at all, that's what it's here for
Had a reply from Kevin at Zero..... (Lead time is around 2 weeks)
Yes I make the 2zz engine swap header as well. It looks the same as the 1zz on my website apart from the head flange is different and there are no lambda bosses in it. Neither the 1zz or the 2zz come with a heat shield now.
Both are the price stated on the web site plus shipping and vat.
Best regards,
Kevin
Great news....I now have a 2zz from a celica to put in my Mr2!
I wasn't really ready, but it is a very generous offer from a fellow member and couldn't really say no. Plus he is helping me out with timing etc so huge thanks Miles s:D :D s:D
Patrick (Headcase) is going to help me get the engine in the car so hopefully I'll be 2zz powered this summer!
Going to have an Elise Parts sump & flywheel and some other maintenance bits done to the engine before its in, just for piece of mind.
Can't bloomin wait!!
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Great news....I now have a 2zz from a celica to put in my Mr2!
I wasn't really ready, but it is a very generous offer from a fellow member and couldn't really say no. Plus he is helping me out with timing etc so huge thanks Miles s:D :D s:D
Patrick (Headcase) is going to help me get the engine in the car so hopefully I'll be 2zz powered this summer!
Going to have an Elise Parts sump & flywheel and some other maintenance bits done to the engine before its in, just for piece of mind.
Can't bloomin wait!!
nice 1 meerrk buddy, 2zz power s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: bet you can wait to get that in
cheers tommy
good news.
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Quote from: "Paul1087"good news.
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Ha! Like it s:) :) s:)
Haha...
Awesome
Me and my 1zz will just have to get over taken by you when we meet on track lol
Good luck with the conversion mark. It's been long time coming. Getting my car sorted the week so should finally be ready for the track. Hoping for a trip to oulton park in may.
Sounds good Matt, hope I can get out in the summer / autumn too
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Great news....I now have a 2zz from a celica to put in my Mr2!
I wasn't really ready, but it is a very generous offer from a fellow member and couldn't really say no. Plus he is helping me out with timing etc so huge thanks Miles s:D :D s:D
No worries at all, looks like it's going to a good home and will be used as I always intended s:) :) s:)
2ZZ will be great on track that extra hp is needed on the straights
Bought lots of service parts today to give the engine a clean bill of heath before fitting;
- Spark plugs
- Water pump
- Thermostat
- Poly belt (removing aircon)
- Timing chain kit
- Elise parts baffled sump
- Elise parts lightened flywheel
- ARP flywheel bolts
- Exedy Clutch Kit
- Patrick is supplying new oil pump gears and will do lift bolts and obviously oil change.
My credit card is literally smoking! Not looking forward to paying that bill when I come back from holiday s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
Credit card isn't so bad could of been borrowed from wonga lol
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Bought lots of service parts today to give the engine a clean bill of heath before fitting;
- Spark plugs
- Water pump
- Thermostat
- Poly belt (removing aircon)
- Timing chain kit
- Elise parts baffled sump
- Elise parts lightened flywheel
- ARP flywheel bolts
- Exedy Clutch Kit
- Patrick is supplying new oil pump gears and will do lift bolts and obviously oil change.
My credit card is literally smoking! Not looking forward to paying that bill when I come back from holiday s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
looks like the wallet has taken a hit s:) :) s:) some nice stuff there buddy im jealous of your sump already
Cheers tommy
Cheers Tommy; its a nice bit of kit, arrived on Monday s:) :) s:)
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Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quick cheeky shot (http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/15/03/25/dbdec391887d9a6a992de4bbaec39aa0.jpg)
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Must write nice comment .....
Nope all in me being a little jealous
This car is going to be awesome in the flesh
Haha thanks mate, but it really isn't anything special!
I got both of the front brakes fitted and bled today, I had much bigger plans but had to do the rear brakes on my bmw so lost a couple of hours this morning.
I then moved onto the rear brakes and had a disaster! The thread on the passenger side caliper carrier has gone, so I need a new carrier / slider and bolts s:( :( s:(
Wanted section here I come! s:( :( s:(
Very happy with the Wilwood kit though, can't wait to try them
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looking sweet meerrrk mate loving the wheels, what sizes did you go for?
cheers tommy
I've had the Rota's a while they are 16s and I run 205/45/16 front and 225/40/16 rear. AD08r tyres.
I need new rear tyre and in two minds... Pair of AD08r again or all 4 R888 but the issue with R888 on 16s is I'd have to drop down some width sizes.
With the sun out yesterday, working on the car I think I'm having a change of heart and will get it MoT / taxed / insured this year; being able to take it out on a nice sunny day is quite appealing!
And also for bedding in brakes, checking things out etc it will be handy.
All the parts (minus the oil pump gears and oil filter) ready to take to Patrick at the weekend
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Plus of course the gearbox I bought a few weeks back. Also hoping to pick up a loom on Saturday morning which will mean Patrick can get everything ready for the car upfront s:) :) s:)
I wouldn't be able to sleep while it's being done is be too excited
Can't wait to drive it s:D :D s:D gonna be a couple of months yet though
yes be good to see you mate got some time on the bosses engine
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Wow looks like new ! She's being treated to the full works ! s:D :D s:D
Look forward to it Patrick
Oooo shiney s8) 8) s8) Wish my engine was that clean, well, on the outside anyway.
blimey that is a shiny impressive big block of an engine s:D :D s:D
i be happy with that s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown: s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Everything about this car just screams "professional". Mark you are doing such a fantastic job, car is looking awesome especially with those brakes on now. When you next do a track day down south (brands/snetterton etc) would love to pop along and see it in action so keep your track days updated on here s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Everything about this car just screams "professional". Mark you are doing such a fantastic job, car is looking awesome especially with those brakes on now. When you next do a track day down south (brands/snetterton etc) would love to pop along and see it in action so keep your track days updated on here s:) :) s:)
It's very kind of you to say that but I can assure you I, nor the car are professional!
I'm just an average car enthusiast like you and many others on here, and I fumble my way through learning as I go! s:D :D s:D
I'm really keen to do some track days with other members this year so I'll be sure to keep you posted
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I've had the Rota's a while they are 16s and I run 205/45/16 front and 225/40/16 rear. AD08r tyres.
I need new rear tyre and in two minds... Pair of AD08r again or all 4 R888 but the issue with R888 on 16s is I'd have to drop down some width sizes.
oh right nice, i do like them wheels, that's something i would like to do is some proper rubber T1rs are good but semi slicks would be nice, just need a sump first, what widths are the wheels and by the looks of it they are stock off set?
cheers tommy
Quote from: "tommyzoom99"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I've had the Rota's a while they are 16s and I run 205/45/16 front and 225/40/16 rear. AD08r tyres.
I need new rear tyre and in two minds... Pair of AD08r again or all 4 R888 but the issue with R888 on 16s is I'd have to drop down some width sizes.
oh right nice, i do like them wheels, that's something i would like to do is some proper rubber T1rs are good but semi slicks would be nice, just need a sump first, what widths are the wheels and by the looks of it they are stock off set?
cheers tommy
I must admit i'm not sure on the widths s:( :( s:( bad I know... I'll check next time I have the wheels off.
Yeah they appear to be standard offset, I've been thinking about getting some spaces as the stance of yours looks great s:) :) s:)
Dropped all the 2zz swap parts off to Patrick yesterday (good to put a few faces to names too!)
Hoping for May kind of time to get the car down there for the swap s:D :D s:D
Also hoping to find a small race cat to fit into my exhaust, so I can get it MOT'd and get the car on the road.
Looking forward to it all now.
Also just got a fully detachable and therefore hidden tow bar for my E91 ... Feel bad for sticking it on there but at least it will be hidden when not in use. Means tracks further afield will be more acceptable now s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Also just got a fully detachable and therefore hidden tow bar for my E91 ... Feel bad for sticking it on there but at least it will be hidden when not in use. Means tracks further afield will be more acceptable now s:) :) s:)
To wales it is then boyo
Where men are men and sheep are afraid
Quote from: "MrStev3"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Also just got a fully detachable and therefore hidden tow bar for my E91 ... Feel bad for sticking it on there but at least it will be hidden when not in use. Means tracks further afield will be more acceptable now s:) :) s:)
To wales it is then boyo
Where men are men and sheep are afraid
Haha!
Well, Wales is certainly on the list...later in the year. For the circuits though, not the sheep.
Anyone ever tried race render or similar video? Any tips?
I got the track addict app, connected my wifi OBD and it gets data from the car, so I'm halfway there.
Be good to overlay some of the track videos with some real time car data; throttle, gear, speed and circuit position (via phone GPS).
Those brakes are looking nice.... I really need to sit and read through this thread when I get a bit of time :-) :-) :-)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "MrStev3"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Also just got a fully detachable and therefore hidden tow bar for my E91 ... Feel bad for sticking it on there but at least it will be hidden when not in use. Means tracks further afield will be more acceptable now s:) :) s:)
To wales it is then boyo
Where men are men and sheep are afraid
Haha!
Well, Wales is certainly on the list...later in the year. For the circuits though, not the sheep.
Sheep defense there
Bit of a milestone today!
The car finally starts and stops under its own power! It's been a while!
Finished off the battery wiring after relocating the battery and making the centre panel and kill switch.
Car started first turn!! Was a bit worried that the extra cable may cause issues.
Also finished off the brakes; fitted my replacement caliper carrier and fitted the new disks and pads. Then slapped a load of Matt black caliper paint on to tidy it up, the gold refurb calipers looked odd! Black Matches the fronts s:D :D s:D (sad I know!)
These are MTEK slotted and dimpled with black anti rust costing, and yellowstuff pads.
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Waiting for the 2zz fun to start now!! s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Waiting for the 2zz fun to start now!! s:D :D s:D
Brakes are looking good mate.
Thanks s:) :) s:) getting there very slowly !
Far to clean....get out and drive it! s;) ;) s;)
Looking really good and credit to you.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks s:) :) s:) getting there very slowly !
Slowly is better!! , I am so impatient. Mine has come to a stop for now as I can't spend any more money on it and more importantly need to properly finish everything I have already done ..
at least slowly you properly finish everything.
And your doing everything in the right order!.
Will be an awesome track car with the 2zz... I didn't think that engine was suitable for my driving on the street. But the track I think is perfect.
Look forward to seeing it done
Quote from: "MilesH"Far to clean....get out and drive it! s;) ;) s;)
Looking really good and credit to you.
Ha! Wish I could! Until my roll hoop is welded in, I don't have anywhere to secure my belts which means no MOT s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "Leethesparky"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks s:) :) s:) getting there very slowly !
Slowly is better!! , I am so impatient. Mine has come to a stop for now as I can't spend any more money on it and more importantly need to properly finish everything I have already done ..
at least slowly you properly finish everything.
And your doing everything in the right order!.
Will be an awesome track car with the 2zz... I didn't think that engine was suitable for my driving on the street. But the track I think is perfect.
Look forward to seeing it done
I think there must be a happy medium between us
Some where ! s:D :D s:D
I agree with the engine. If my mr2 was more for the road id have a 1zz turbo, but the way I tend to drive on the track, a 2zz will suit me and my needs nicely
I love this car. That brake/suspension setup is so lovely. Exactly what I want. Kudos on the progress, it looks great!
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "MilesH"Far to clean....get out and drive it! s;) ;) s;)
Looking really good and credit to you.
Ha! Wish I could! Until my roll hoop is welded in, I don't have anywhere to secure my belts which means no MOT s:( :( s:(
Have you got any pictures of the roll hoop? And where do you plan to weld it in? Would love a functional one that works with the soft top!
Quote from: "JLC"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "MilesH"Far to clean....get out and drive it! s;) ;) s;)
Looking really good and credit to you.
Ha! Wish I could! Until my roll hoop is welded in, I don't have anywhere to secure my belts which means no MOT s:( :( s:(
Have you got any pictures of the roll hoop? And where do you plan to weld it in? Would love a functional one that works with the soft top!
Hi, unfortunately if you want to keep the soft top and have a "proper" roll hoop, the only option is a hard dog from the states.
Ive removed my soft top and the roll hoop is the rear section of the race car full cage, so is designed for hardtop use.
There are some pics a page or so back
Quote from: "shnazzle"I love this car. That brake/suspension setup is so lovely. Exactly what I want. Kudos on the progress, it looks great!
Thanks for the kind words s:) :) s:)
Looking forward to trying the brakes and suspension to give some honest feedback
just a quick update s:) :) s:)
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to this
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then we are here now s:) :) s:)
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:O vavavrooom
:-) :-) :-) Awesome work!
That looks awesome. How much to put a 2gr in mine?
Wow! Epic! s:D :D s:D
Thanks Patrick s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "1979scotte"That looks awesome. How much to put a 2gr in mine?
Then I can nick it s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
But that engine does look good.
Quote from: "1979scotte"That looks awesome. How much to put a 2gr in mine?
I know we're there is a 2gr :-) :-) :-) for 2500 in UK I am sure we can sort something ,:-D:-D:-D:-D
Yea I thought it would look nice to match your car Mark :-) :-) :-) gearbox being done as well but I do that in silver :-) :-) :-)
Thanks Patrick, it was a great idea of yours I'm glad you suggested it...and Andy's car being painted of course s:) :) s:)
I'm going to feel guilty getting it dirty s:) :) s:)
Looks very nice!
Much effort required to get it looking like that? I've contemplated it but never plunged in to tart my engine up properly!
Looks epic and I'm sure it will feel the same on the Track!
Quote from: "Whitley78"Looks epic and I'm sure it will feel the same on the Track!
I hope so! It was pretty good last year with the mostly standard suspension and 1zz engine so I can't wait to drive it this year, it's going to be very different and much faster round a track!
Wow - the engine looks brilliant! s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Looks fantastic, I love a nice clean engine!
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Not sure what i make of the strange tread pattern of the new r888's ha
Free delivery on all track tyres at demon tweeks for a week.
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Not sure what i make of the strange tread pattern of the new r888's ha
Free delivery on all track tyres at demon tweeks for a week.
New R888r - very interesting. Thanks for the link.
It looks like I'll be able to get 205 and 225 fitment too which is great news.
I measured my rear tyres still have 3.5mm of depth so I don't need any straight away. Hopefully by the time they are in stock I will be in the market!
Interesting tread pattern
I'll try a set next time round.
All looks good, they boast about improving all aspects of the tyres performance, my 888's started life with about 5. I think they should run well into slicks but im not 100%
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks Patrick, it was a great idea of yours I'm glad you suggested it...and Andy's car being painted of course s:) :) s:)
I'm going to feel guilty getting it dirty s:) :) s:)
looks great meeerrk buddy cant beat a nice spanking engine loving the blue accents, getting it dirty is the worse bit we had the chain tensioner seal leak could of cried, then spent half a day cleaning all the crap off i just couldnt take the dirtyness
cheers tommy
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Not sure what i make of the strange tread pattern of the new r888's ha
Free delivery on all track tyres at demon tweeks for a week.
I'm looking forward to trying these. Certain championship have moved over to Avon ZZR's in place of the 888's over the last 12/15 months and they are claiming better laptimes, it'll be really interesting to see if the new R888 is improved.
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This sets limits on tyre noise, wet grip and efficiency so it looks like Toyo are just tweaking their tyres to comply.
It is a big selling point with them being road legal. I could upset the tyre police atm as im running 3 17inch wheels and 1 15inch with r888 on it haha.
Just tell them it's not finished growing yet haha
Soon it will be the same size as the other 3 s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
ha its sorted now, vavle was shot. I really should update my project thread its about 7 months out of date.
Well it's been a while!...
So after a few months of saving and enjoying an awesome holiday in the states, focus can turn on the car again s:) :) s:)
Had the car out the garage today, getting it ready for the journey to see Dr Headcase to fit the engine, get the cage welded in and get the thing road legal!
Got all the interior trim all back in with wires for the water and oil temp and oil pressure sensors ran to the rear of the car.
Hardtop back on, front number plate and even a quick Hoover out!
Finally got round to fitting the towbar and electrics onto my 3-series so I can tow the car to Patrick.
Nearly there.....
Looking forward to seeing that engine in mate!!
Once you get it down there the horrible bit is having to wait! But the smile will be worth it!!!
Trailer booked for Saturday, manifold in the post from Zero and arranged with Patrick for Saturday. Costs are spiralling so I need to sell some stuff...
Engine, gearbox, front bumper in the for sale section s;) ;) s;)
Would you like a fire extinguisher for your debit card lmao
Something like that!
October was the last time I drove the Mr2 (around a very wet cadwel park)
Since then I've done the following;
BC coilovers
TTE front and rear roll bars, poly bushing
Roll bar Drop links
Rear brake refurb, yellow stuff pads and grooved and dimpled disks
Front Wilwood brakes with grooved and dimpled discs
More stripping out of interior.
Battery relocation
Today, in preparation for tomorrow, I got it out the garage, took it to a private bit of road and went for one last 1zz drive (only short).
Tomorrow it goes to Patrick for the 2zz work to start.
And I've got to say, it felt great! I forget how fun these cars are.
BC coilovers weren't too hard either....and the brakes.... Wow, brilliant, and not even got through the new disc coating!
Patrick is also welding my Roll over hoop feet in so it hoop can finally be fitted, and I hope fit a cat for an MOT friendly car. If the cat isn't possible I will need to sort something else myself.
Been getting a bit worked up about the costs this week but driving the car has given me a new lease of excitement s:D :D s:D
It'll be worth it!
You're in safe hands with Patrick, it should be even better when it returns s:) :) s:)
Very frustrating and disappointing day.
Went to pick up the trailer at 9am, and spent the next two hours trying to work out why the lighting wouldn't work. In the end we borrowed a random persons car who happened to be parking up next to us and figured out its my car. s:( :( s:(
After spending the next two hours conforming all the wiring etc is good I can only conclude the electronics module is knackered!
So I never got the car to Patrick, I missed the Warwickshire meet, and gave myself a headache with the stress!
FML!
Should have done what I did last time I went for a trailer, just tow it, with an MR2 on the back chances are they would have still seen the Beemers lights & when coming back empty they definitely would, not like it was dark or anything
That did go through my mind but I didn't want to risk it!
Feel your pain. s:( :( s:(
s:( :( s:( Oh very disappointing,
Gutted what a let down for you, whats the plan ?
Gutted for you dude but you did the right thing in not risking taking it... Too dangerous for you and other drivers
oh dear meerrk buddy i feel for you going to be a great track weapon though, good things come to those who wait
cheers tommy
Oh no!!! Yeah that must be frustrating!! Is it an easy fix?
Hoping to get a replacement module sent out today, and try again tomorrow. If all works I'll try again this weekend!
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The Instructions with the wiring kit had the wrong wire reference! Now working perfectly!
Take two this Saturday s:) :) s:)
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The Instructions with the wiring kit had the wrong wire reference! Now working perfectly!
Take two this Saturday s:) :) s:)
good luck buddy
cheers tommy
Finally, managed to get the car to Patrick!
The e91 towed the mr2 and (massive) trailer really well. Very smooth.
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The wait begins s:) :) s:)
Good news.
When will it be ready. Rough guesstimate?
hopefully in 2weeks s:) :) s:) list , rollcage , fit cat in exhaust system, mot , 2zz conversion , good to see you mark .
Less posting here and more work you.
Go on get on with it.
lol been out in the bosses car she been testing it get some miles on it , marks engine and box and wiring ready to go in so I thought I have a rest today lol .
What he said s:D :D s:D
And you Patrick, cheers s:) :) s:)
Good to hear you finally made it to Patricks s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "headcase"lol been out in the bosses car she been testing it get some miles on it , marks engine and box and wiring ready to go in so I thought I have a rest today lol .
Got to respect the boss.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "headcase"lol been out in the bosses car she been testing it get some miles on it , marks engine and box and wiring ready to go in so I thought I have a rest today lol .
Got to respect the boss.
Fear not Scotte boy, Patrick's been busy getting everything ready in advance for me, so the engine is all refreshed, sump on, fly wheel and clutch done, and gearbox work all done, wiring loom made and fitted. So it's ready to "simply drop in" ... Ok maybe it's a little more complex than that, but you know what I mean!
Plus we've all got to keep the better halves happy or we won't be allowed to play with our cars anymore s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "headcase"lol been out in the bosses car she been testing it get some miles on it , marks engine and box and wiring ready to go in so I thought I have a rest today lol .
Got to respect the boss.
Fear not Scotte boy, Patrick's been busy getting everything ready in advance for me, so the engine is all refreshed, sump on, fly wheel and clutch done, and gearbox work all done, wiring loom made and fitted. So it's ready to "simply drop in" ... Ok maybe it's a little more complex than that, but you know what I mean!
Plus we've all got to keep the better halves happy or we won't be allowed to play with our cars anymore s:D :D s:D
Don't see myself having a problem playing with the car.
It's when i want to "play" with other things that there could be a problem. s;) ;) s;)
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I always put MR2's backwards on the trailers, most trailers are set-up for front engined cars so for proper weight distribution I reverse them on
Interesting you should say that.
I originally thought the same, so we tested it out and there was plenty of nose weight with it on front ways.
Another member on here also tested it recently after we were talking about it, and found the optimum nose weight with the Mr2 on front ways.
To be honest I wouldn't have wanted more nose weight - if you look at the load on my e91's rear suspension.
Im no expert, I guess it depends on the trailer too, this one was massive and if you look, most of the car is well I front of the trailer's axle.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "1979scotte"Got to respect the boss.
Fear not Scotte boy, Patrick's been busy getting everything ready in advance for me, so the engine is all refreshed, sump on, fly wheel and clutch done, and gearbox work all done, wiring loom made and fitted. So it's ready to "simply drop in" ... Ok maybe it's a little more complex than that, but you know what I mean!
Plus we've all got to keep the better halves happy or we won't be allowed to play with our cars anymore s:D :D s:D
Don't see myself having a problem playing with the car.
It's when i want to "play" with other things that there could be a problem. s;) ;) s;)
Good point! s:D :D s:D
First time I put a car on a trailer was a catastrophe. The trailer was higher than yours, the car was lower than yours and I didn't realise that I should of attached the trailer to the towing car before loading the passenger car. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Makes for an interesting anecdote when fully told though. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Looking again at that trailer it does seem very long from the wheels to the hitch,
When I fetched my MR2 we used a converted caravan trailer & had to borrow some ramps which weren't really long enough so we had to unhitch the trailer from the car to allow the front of the trailer to go up in the air so the MR2 didn't bottom out on the ramp/trailer join. Then we had to balance the MR2 on the trailer so the front came down gentle to be able to attach it again to the back of the tow car, all good fun.
Quote from: "phaeton"Looking again at that trailer it does seem very long from the wheels to the hitch,
When I fetched my MR2 we used a converted caravan trailer & had to borrow some ramps which weren't really long enough so we had to unhitch the trailer from the car to allow the front of the trailer to go up in the air so the MR2 didn't bottom out on the ramp/trailer join. Then we had to balance the MR2 on the trailer so the front came down gentle to be able to attach it again to the back of the tow car, all good fun.
I did a similar thing with my old locost on a converted chassis trailer...lesson learnt, keep to good quality (and low) trailers!
Patrick's been a busy boy, he's really helped me out getting the car on the road again.
He has very kindly installed the rear roll hoop/ cage .. Which I hear was a bit of a PITA (sorry!)
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Next up he modified my exhaust to house a 200cell CAT and modified it to sit higher as clearance with the coilovers was a bit of a worry. It's now very neatly tucked up behind the bumper!
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Then took to his local MOT centre and got the car an MOT....no advisories s:D :D s:D very happy!
Next on his list is ripping that 1zz out and fitting the 2zz... TBC!...
Looking good Mark! Can you elaborate as why the rear hoop was a pain to fit?
Rear cage it was the feet you have to weld in place to make them nice and tight to body drill out 20mm holes so captives drop in to then getting a nice gap so you can get a nice weld in there instead of a load of old rubbish as this is a strength part it needed some nice heavy welds in there . Just took longer then I planned for . But yay it's in there :-) :-) :-) .
Had a call and chat with Patrick yesterday, he has been cracking on with the swap! Can't believe how quickly things move!
Engine and box with everything on ready to go up
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Some time later ...
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Nice sump s:) :) s:)
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Next up the plumbing to do and wiring etc, then it can be started s:) :) s:)
Great work so far I'm sure you'll agree!
Looking good
Great progress! Not much longer to wait by the looks of it!
I am liking that rear bumper protector!
Bet you can't wait to drive it
Mark we are going to have to rate your build as xxx as it I becoming pornographic, especially with that sump.
looks good!
make sure to put some kind of coil cover on unless the car will always be run and stored dry.
I didnt after I first did my swap and water collects on top of the coils. you can pick up the lotus ones from dealers for about £20.
Quote from: "Paul1087"looks good!
make sure to put some kind of coil cover on unless the car will always be run and stored dry.
I didnt after I first did my swap and water collects on top of the coils. you can pick up the lotus ones from dealers for about £20.
I also had that problem. Don't think it's an issue if you use the car daily but if it's sitting it can be.
Quote from: "Escy"Quote from: "Paul1087"looks good!
make sure to put some kind of coil cover on unless the car will always be run and stored dry.
I didnt after I first did my swap and water collects on top of the coils. you can pick up the lotus ones from dealers for about £20.
I also had that problem. Don't think it's an issue if you use the car daily but if it's sitting it can be.
Hadn't thought of that. I can't guarantee the car won't be used in the rain but it is stored in my garage 90% of the time so storage isn't an issue.
Think I'll find a cover of some sort .. Thanks
looking good mate,sure it wont be long now,waiting on your verdict s:D :D s:D
Can't believe how fast it's suddenly coming along! You must be very excited after all the planning. Do you have a date in mind for a "first drive"?
How are you fitting your harnesses? Shoulder straps around the cage and laps straps to the seat mount? Or are you going to get Patrick to weld in some eyelet spreader plate?
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"Can't believe how fast it's suddenly coming along! You must be very excited after all the planning. Do you have a date in mind for a "first drive"?
How are you fitting your harnesses? Shoulder straps around the cage and laps straps to the seat mount? Or are you going to get Patrick to weld in some eyelet spreader plate?
Hi Ed how's things with you? How's your car coming along?
Not sure on the first drive, because it's got an MOT now I can drive it home which is about 110miles so that will be fun, so hopefully in the next week or two! Very excited s:D :D s:D
Yes, the roll hoop has the harness bar incorporated, and the lap belts are on the seat mounts. Hadn't considered having eyelets put in the floor, but now you mention it that probably would have been better. I can do it in the future I suppose.
Quote from: "Paul1087"looks good!
make sure to put some kind of coil cover on unless the car will always be run and stored dry.
I didnt after I first did my swap and water collects on top of the coils. you can pick up the lotus ones from dealers for about £20.
Paul do you have a pic of the cover fitted on the 2zz in the mr2 please?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Hi Ed how's things with you? How's your car coming along?
Not sure on the first drive, because it's got an MOT now I can drive it home which is about 110miles so that will be fun, so hopefully in the next week or two! Very excited s:D :D s:D
Yes, the roll hoop has the harness bar incorporated, and the lap belts are on the seat mounts. Hadn't considered having eyelets put in the floor, but now you mention it that probably would have been better. I can do it in the future I suppose.
It's getting there thanks Mark - spent the last month or so stripping everything out, and taking a road-trip up to Rogue to pick up a full cage all all the other goodies. Just finished stripping back the seam-sealer etc (horrible job!) so hopefully getting the cage feet welded in this week! I was wondering whether it was worth getting harness points put in at the same time...
Enjoy the 2ZZ drive home - hope to see you on track very shortly!
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "Paul1087"looks good!
make sure to put some kind of coil cover on unless the car will always be run and stored dry.
I didnt after I first did my swap and water collects on top of the coils. you can pick up the lotus ones from dealers for about £20.
Paul do you have a pic of the cover fitted on the 2zz in the mr2 please?
Here you go s:D :D s:D
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Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"How are you fitting your harnesses? Shoulder straps around the cage and laps straps to the seat mount? Or are you going to get Patrick to weld in some eyelet spreader plate?
Yes, the roll hoop has the harness bar incorporated, and the lap belts are on the seat mounts. Hadn't considered having eyelets put in the floor, but now you mention it that probably would have been better. I can do it in the future I suppose.
From when I was designing the cage for our 200SX I seem to remember that according to FIA rules harnesses are not allowed to mount to the seat frame; obviously for the road you won't fail an MOT for it since this isn't a check point, but it's worth considering that the FIA think it's better to spread the load to another mount location, rather than further stress the seat fastenings. Probably in 99% of accidents you won't need the extra capacity, but if you can use the OE lap belt points there's no harm in this!
Quote from: "Paul1087"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "Paul1087"looks good!
make sure to put some kind of coil cover on unless the car will always be run and stored dry.
I didnt after I first did my swap and water collects on top of the coils. you can pick up the lotus ones from dealers for about £20.
Paul do you have a pic of the cover fitted on the 2zz in the mr2 please?
Here you go s:D :D s:D
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Thanks Paul! Very neat... ordered one s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Hi Ed how's things with you? How's your car coming along?
Not sure on the first drive, because it's got an MOT now I can drive it home which is about 110miles so that will be fun, so hopefully in the next week or two! Very excited s:D :D s:D
Yes, the roll hoop has the harness bar incorporated, and the lap belts are on the seat mounts. Hadn't considered having eyelets put in the floor, but now you mention it that probably would have been better. I can do it in the future I suppose.
It's getting there thanks Mark - spent the last month or so stripping everything out, and taking a road-trip up to Rogue to pick up a full cage all all the other goodies. Just finished stripping back the seam-sealer etc (horrible job!) so hopefully getting the cage feet welded in this week! I was wondering whether it was worth getting harness points put in at the same time...
Enjoy the 2ZZ drive home - hope to see you on track very shortly!
Great stuff, sounds like it'll be a serious machine!
We'll have to do a brands day s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "Paul1087"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Paul do you have a pic of the cover fitted on the 2zz in the mr2 please?
Here you go s:D :D s:D
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Thanks Paul! Very neat... ordered one s:) :) s:)
I had to find some hex nuts to fit it.
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I guess the studs aren't long enough? So add the stand offs and screw onto those instead?
yup.
Appreciate your help s:) :) s:)
Fabulous! When is the next track day? Have you got a southerly one planned soon? I will join you in the lotus so I can watch yours in action s:) :) s:)
Haven't got any planned...basically because lack of money after the money I'm spending on the car s:-( :-( s:-(
If we can get a few people together for a visit to brands or similar then I'll join in, Dasilver with his k-swap car is keen, hopefully we can get a few more and make a day / afternoon of it.
What's that I hear? the sweet sound of a 2zz?.. Certainly is!
Patrick had the car running today, hopefully first test drive tomorrow ready for picking up this weekend s:D :D s:D
Great work by the "Headcase" !
I need to get turboed before we do a track day haha
Well somehow we need to find tomaky a turbo asap. I have two friends up for a track day any time. Audi TT 3.2 and a lotus elise s1. Plus me, plus mark, plus a couple of people from the forum. That's over six. Maybe I will have a look for half day brands times.
That sounds good!
May or may not already have one s;) ;) s;)
Doesn't count if it's not fitted s:D :D s:D
what if it is currently fitted to a car which i will be owning imminently?
Half counts
prob wont track it in that car tho s:( :( s:(
Track day sounds like a good plan, brands will be very well suited to the mr2.
Is the excitement building yet? I'm assuming you are driving the car home?
It does i need to figure a timeline for my build and see if im going to get any trackdays in i need to get to atleast oulton wonder if i can waggle in july or i might be doing swapsies as soon as july depending on my insurance and how things fall.
Quote from: "Sadlebag"Track day sounds like a good plan, brands will be very well suited to the mr2.
Is the excitement building yet? I'm assuming you are driving the car home?
Would you be up for it too?
Yeah I am looking forward to it. I haven't used the car for about 7months so it'll be good to have a bit of fun.
Yes planning on driving it home, it's now road legal again, taxed, mot and insured!
SAWEEEEETTTTT
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "Sadlebag"Track day sounds like a good plan, brands will be very well suited to the mr2.
Is the excitement building yet? I'm assuming you are driving the car home?
Would you be up for it too?
Yeah I am looking forward to it. I haven't used the car for about 7months so it'll be good to have a bit of fun.
Yes planning on driving it home, it's now road legal again, taxed, mot and insured!
Providing I'm in the UK count me in s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Had a call and chat with Patrick yesterday, he has been cracking on with the swap! Can't believe how quickly things move!
Engine and box with everything on ready to go up
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Some time later ...
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Nice sump s:) :) s:)
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Next up the plumbing to do and wiring etc, then it can be started s:) :) s:)
Great work so far I'm sure you'll agree!
looks great Meeerrk buddy, engine looks superb in there, going to be a very nice track car and a quick 1 at that with the 2zz
cheers tommy
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Had a call and chat with Patrick yesterday, he has been cracking on with the swap! Can't believe how quickly things move!
Engine and box with everything on ready to go up
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Some time later ...
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Nice sump s:) :) s:)
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Next up the plumbing to do and wiring etc, then it can be started s:) :) s:)
Great work so far I'm sure you'll agree!
looks great Meeerrk buddy, engine looks superb in there, going to be a very nice track car and a quick 1 at that with the 2zz
cheers tommy
Cheers Tommy, should be good fun.
Patrick's been Hooning round the coast in it checking everything is ok, so hope to pick up on Saturday
Patricks a lucky git hehe
That sump is looking lovely in there! I'm starting to like it over them leaky state moro sump...
I bet you can't wait to get the car back and start enjoying it more.
Went down to Patrick's place to pick up the car.
Well what can I say...lift is pretty good fun! And quite addictive!
Scotte also met us there so we went for a drive to familiarise myself with the car and enjoy the weather. We ( I saw we, I just followed in his tyre tracks) found some cracking roads and had a nice drive in sun. I've really missed the fun of the MR2!
Got a couple of teething problems with the car. We think the thermostat is sticking open so the car won't go into lift - because the ECU thinks it's cold (standard safety feature), the coolant temp seems very low on my auxiliary gauge and the dash gauge fluctuates a bit; they normally never move.
Going to take it back to Patrick this week to swap over the stat and check a coupe of things out...plus I robbed the coils from his Wife's car while fault finding so I need to give those back before she hunts me down s:) :) s:)
It's very frustrating because that's a brand new thermostat! Typical....Assuming it is the stat, of course.
So, we are almost there. These things are set to try us and I shall try not to let it get to me too much. Thankful of Patrick's help, I'd be stuck without his knowledge that's for sure
That's disappointing... s:? :? s:?
Yes, it is. Typical a part I bought new to replace because it seemed like a good idea, is giving me problems!
It might just need bleeding properly.
Quote from: "Escy"It might just need bleeding properly.
Could be the issue, although usually, overheating will be the issue, unless there is an airlock in the head / water pump preventing hot water reaching the temp sensor.
I did wonder about an airlock. I did stop at some services and open up the front bleed valve (with the plastic tube) and no air came out.
When I accelerate hard, the dash temperature gauge drops slightly off normal operating temperature and my aux water temp gauge (the sensor is fitted just after the thermostat in the rubber hose) was only showing about 60deg most of the time.
When we were testing the theory, we got it to go into lift when my aux gauge showed about 90deg C - which it only did after letting the car car sit with the engine hot and switched off for a short period, allowing some Heatsoak to set in.
Patrick's going to get another Thermostat and try it out next week
Does sound like thermostat. Original Toyota one?
No, it wasn't s:( :( s:(
From GSF. Maybe lesson learnt.
Just thinking, you say your auxiliary sensor is fitted just after the thermostat in the rubber hose. That side of the thermostat is the coolant return side, so that sensor will be measuring the coolant temperature of water coming back from the radiator. It's not that one that's being used to feed the ECU is it? That would cause problems.
I thought that hose was the correct one to go for?
Anyway, no it's not feeding the ecu, it is just a temp sender going straight into an aftermarket gauge with no other connections
Quote from: "ChrisGB"Just thinking, you say your auxiliary sensor is fitted just after the thermostat in the rubber hose. That side of the thermostat is the coolant return side, so that sensor will be measuring the coolant temperature of water coming back from the radiator. It's not that one that's being used to feed the ECU is it? That would cause problems.
no its not using that sensor the conversion uses all the Toyota sensors .
mark come back with it we scanned it no faults at all so we put a set coils on it then he went out in it again and went in to lift thought it might been coil failing at high revs but then it done it again , so we took temps and it was low we did notice that the water pipes were not mega hot after a drive which. I get a Toyota thermostat and swap that I did take my 2zz out after mark went and temp on my one are running at 83 when driving were marks is running at a lot lower if you let it sit then go out in it. it goes in to lift once drive so it cools down then it stops going in to lift never come across with this on any 2zz but . we get to the bottom of it
No doubt Patrick, thanks for your help s:D :D s:D
Spent a couple of hours this morning doing a few outstanding jobs, set my belts onto the new cage and trimmed and refitted my sill trims.
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As you can see it finishes he sill threshold and also covers the cage feet a little (not that it needs it!)
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I also set my go pro on the cage ready for some videos s:) :) s:) as you can see in the first picture. Gives a view very close to all my other videos.
Just need to put the passenger seat in now
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Oh yeah, and the cherry on top...this little beauty
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Can now put this on
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Very cheesy I know but this car is just a bit of fun s:) :) s:)
Gutted for you, I'd be fuming if I paid a professional to do a job and they gave it back with issues. A 2zz without lift is still a 1zz!
I bled my system myself when I changed the radiator so you might be better off giving it a good bleed yourself before going to the effort and expense of taking it back, would be worth ruling it out at least.
Quote from: "frootloops"Gutted for you, I'd be fuming if I paid a professional to do a job and they gave it back with issues. A 2zz without lift is still a 1zz!
I bled my system myself when I changed the radiator so you might be better off giving it a good bleed yourself before going to the effort and expense of taking it back, would be worth ruling it out at least.
Patrick used the car for a full day once it was running and it was absolutely fine, and we proved it is fine by getting it warm. It is absolutely NOT his fault!
The thermostat (or whatever has failed) has failed since I picked it up.
And by the way a 2zz without lift is still faster than a 1zz I can assure you that!!
I'm gutted my car isn't running right but I am by no means fuming at anyone.
Quote from: "frootloops"Gutted for you, I'd be fuming if I paid a professional to do a job and they gave it back with issues. A 2zz without lift is still a 1zz!
I bled my system myself when I changed the radiator so you might be better off giving it a good bleed yourself before going to the effort and expense of taking it back, would be worth ruling it out at least.
The car was working how it should as mark says its just one of these things , may be I should drove it around for a week and then gave it back and it mite showed up who knows .I am sorting it out for him as for bleeding all the cars are vacuum bleed there is zero air in them , its just a part failed we took every step that you can take that was possible if it was new what more can you do . You will be surprised how many new bits fail quickly . The quality is not there anymore and I be in the trade for 30 yrs . Seen it go down hill on parts . That all I got say the rest is between me and mark .
Completely agree, guys please don't think Patrick has done anything wrong; a part has failed (by the way I supplies all parts) and Patrick is doing everything he can to help.
There is nothing sinister or "bad" about it; he is offering the perfect service in terms of after sales support that you hope to get when you go to a professional.
Quote from: "headcase"Quote from: "frootloops"Gutted for you, I'd be fuming if I paid a professional to do a job and they gave it back with issues. A 2zz without lift is still a 1zz!
I bled my system myself when I changed the radiator so you might be better off giving it a good bleed yourself before going to the effort and expense of taking it back, would be worth ruling it out at least.
The car was working how it should as mark says its just one of these things , may be I should drove it around for a week and then gave it back and it mite showed up who knows .I am sorting it out for him as for bleeding all the cars are vacuum bleed there is zero air in them , its just a part failed we took every step that you can take that was possible if it was new what more can you do . You will be surprised how many new bits fail quickly . The quality is not there anymore and I be in the trade for 30 yrs . Seen it go down hill on parts . That all I got say the rest is between me and mark .
could not agree more we had a faulty new range rover thermostat last week it almost refused to open to let water through had to sit car for ages and jam the viscous fan before it would eventually open,also had an ebay clutch fitted for a punter lasted 2 weeks before the rivets on the clutch plate gave way,some parts these days are cheap but not so cheerful,and if the punter is supplying the bits you can only work with what you are given,i am sure patrick will sort it out
Passenger seat fitted and with that, interior finished
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Looks good
What do the harnesses fasten to at the rear, the angle looks pretty step from the picture. Check the MSA blue book for the maximum angle.
Mark
They go to the roll hoop's harness bar.
THanks for the tip s:) :) s:)
They go to the roll hoop's harness bar.
THanks for the tip s:) :) s:)
Looking great, when is your first planned track day once the thermostat is fixed?
I'm hoping to book an evening at Brandshatch - maybe 7th July, because I'm tied up for the next few weeks.
Glad to see the passenger seat is now fitted. I know both Sian and i were upset that there wasn't one.
When your all sorted you'll be taking me for a ride. s;) ;) s;)
For sure s:) :) s:)
That looks a really tidy install there Mark. You are really going to enjoy that!
lovely Mark! You really make me want a 2nd MR2 to do this to...however I need a bit more convincing before I remortgage the house and sell the kids to do so. I'm not far off though.
Thanks s:) :) s:)
I know what you mean. I don't know what's more stressful though, kids or cars s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks s:) :) s:)
I know what you mean. I don't know what's more stressful though, kids or cars s:) :) s:)
Kids mate. Kids are more stressful than stress.
It's not stress anymore.. It;s called "I've got the kids". that trumps "I'm stressed" any day of the week
fecking kids...
lol s:D :D s:D
My wife will take the kids off you.
She's got babies on the brain.
Quote from: "loadswine"That looks a really tidy install there Mark. You are really going to enjoy that!
Thanks. Patrick does a good job on these swaps, very factory-like install s:) :) s:)
Lift is pretty good fun I must admit
I received my coil cover today. Very nice it is too. Thanks Paul and Jiff for the info, I'll work out how to fit it tonight.
Nice surprise though...had forgotten about it! s:) :) s:)
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Looking good mate.... That coil cover looks the nuts, will tidy it up nice.
It amazes me why they put that 1zz in the mr2 , a little more power and it's so much more fun.
I know you can throw them around twisties but not all roads are twisty... s:D :D s:D
Bit more power and you have your cake and can eat it!!
Thanks s:) :) s:)
Fitted this evening, it's more function over form. I prefer it because all the other covers are designed for cars where the engine is the other way around; so the text is backwards when fitted in the Mr2!
This looks good though (in my humble opinion)
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Definitely looks more finished, looks good!
That's a tidy looking swap. Shame about the teething problems but it looks like you're in good hands. It could be a lot worse, believe me s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
What exhaust did you go for in the end?
Yeah it's nice and tidy!
I've got a sbastard bastard sbastard ised system at the moment;
Zero manifold mated to;
My Long life system which has been cut and modified to fit a 200cell cat and changed the flexi joints to raise the down pipe up as it was very low under the car.
I would like to replace it in the future but at the moment it will do.
It's a great build. It'll be amazing on a track.
Look forward to seeing some videos of it.
Thanks Matt, hopefully light at the end of the tunnel.
Hope you get yours running soon, they make great fun with more power!
Such a great build-up so far and inspiration for my next mk3 build! I hope you get the mechanical niggles sorted promptly.
Thank you for a thoroughly enjoyable read.
all looking rather nice buddy bet you cant wait to drive it in anger now,
i think i have roll cage envy s:) :) s:)
loving the gear knob nice little touch s:) :) s:)
cheers tommy
Quote from: "4dvti"Such a great build-up so far and inspiration for my next mk3 build! I hope you get the mechanical niggles sorted promptly.
Thank you for a thoroughly enjoyable read.
Thanks mate, appreciate the positive comments. I know it's not to most tastes on this forum as I've stripped a perfectly good car but it suits what I want to use it for! More to come I hope s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "tommyzoom99"all looking rather nice buddy bet you cant wait to drive it in anger now,
i think i have roll cage envy s:) :) s:)
loving the gear knob nice little touch s:) :) s:)
cheers tommy
Cheers Tommy, we are getting there!
Haha surprised you noticed the 2 pool ball, sad I know but thought that was funny s:D :D s:D
I've not checked in on this one for a while, I can only mirror what others have said. It's really come together well... s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "4dvti"Such a great build-up so far and inspiration for my next mk3 build! I hope you get the mechanical niggles sorted promptly.
Thank you for a thoroughly enjoyable read.
Thanks mate, appreciate the positive comments. I know it's not to most tastes on this forum as I've stripped a perfectly good car but it suits what I want to use it for! More to come I hope s:) :) s:)
For what you'll be using it for, it's ideal. I quite fancy bucket seats myself now after seeing how good they look!
What kind of cage is that? I did look at the Custom Cages version but I believe it is not compatible with a hard top sadly.
Quote from: "4dvti"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "4dvti"Such a great build-up so far and inspiration for my next mk3 build! I hope you get the mechanical niggles sorted promptly.
Thank you for a thoroughly enjoyable read.
Thanks mate, appreciate the positive comments. I know it's not to most tastes on this forum as I've stripped a perfectly good car but it suits what I want to use it for! More to come I hope s:) :) s:)
For what you'll be using it for, it's ideal. I quite fancy bucket seats myself now after seeing how good they look!
What kind of cage is that? I did look at the Custom Cages version but I believe it is not compatible with a hard top sadly.
It's from Performance and Protection. A few people have bought them now. Credit goes to Tim for the leg work.
It's basically the rear section of the full cage they supply to rouge Motorsport for the race cars. It's nicely made.
The custom cages cage is a no - go, please don't waste your time or money!
Right well, car loaded onto trailer and ready to go to Dr Headcase tomorrow s:) :) s:)
Hopefully, just a thermostat and you are good to go. Its always a bit of an odd one having an engine swap. There will be things that you think to yourself "while its out I'll replace..." but the trouble with that is that every new part is unproven until you run it for a while. Nothing the builder can do to avoid it, just a function of new parts and MTBF / reliability curves.
It'll be excellent once you have it up and running.
Absolutely, that's my way of thinking and am hopeful for a simple fix.
Unfortunately I won't be able to pick it up for a while because I'm away for a couple of weekends...as you say though, will be worth it s:D :D s:D
We'll go down to pick it up together again.
Get Sian to bring the 350 next time.
We'll see. I might trailer it back.
It's a 5hr round trip so I'll have to plan it in advance
looks great Mark, mine is going to end up being almost a carbon copy of yours given a bit more time... it's good to have this for the inspiration!
Thanks mate! Have you got a build thread on the go on any forums?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "4dvti"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks mate, appreciate the positive comments. I know it's not to most tastes on this forum as I've stripped a perfectly good car but it suits what I want to use it for! More to come I hope s:) :) s:)
For what you'll be using it for, it's ideal. I quite fancy bucket seats myself now after seeing how good they look!
What kind of cage is that? I did look at the Custom Cages version but I believe it is not compatible with a hard top sadly.
It's from Performance and Protection. A few people have bought them now. Credit goes to Tim for the leg work.
It's basically the rear section of the full cage they supply to rouge Motorsport for the race cars. It's nicely made.
The custom cages cage is a no - go, please don't waste your time or money!
Thanks for the heads up. I've seen a photo of the full cage that Rogue Motorsport sell and I was glad to see that it fits snugly under the hardtop. Would you happen to have a price for one of them new or a ballpark figure? I did look on their website but couldn't see it anywhere and I don't want to call them up seeing as I've not committed myself to buying one yet.
Many thanks.
The rear section that I have is about £300 but I had to pay £100 to have it delivered on a pallet. So if you could pick it up it's better value.
I think the whole cage is around double that, but I didn't ask because I wasn't interested in one !
Fair play. I'll ask Gareth (Hybrids) next time he's online. He has the full cage in his race car.
Thanks again.
I have the full Rogue/P&P roll cage. Cost £650 plus the VAT - its expensive to deliver as Mark said (has to go on a pallet) so I picked mine up form Rogue myself. I'm getting mine welded in next week s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: !
Don't underestimate the work/compromise involved in having a full cage - literally everything needs to come out of the car to fit it, the welding is tricky (you have to patch various holes in the floor, and spend a lifetime scraping seal-sealer off first) and you have to bin the stock heater etc when you put it back together. It's also tricky to get in and out of, and you really do want to be wearing a helmet every time you drive it. Definitely only for a dedicated track car.
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"I have the full Rogue/P&P roll cage. Cost £650 plus the VAT - its expensive to deliver as Mark said (has to go on a pallet) so I picked mine up form Rogue myself. I'm getting mine welded in next week s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: !
Don't underestimate the work/compromise involved in having a full cage - literally everything needs to come out of the car to fit it, the welding is tricky (you have to patch various holes in the floor, and spend a lifetime scraping seal-sealer off first) and you have to bin the stock heater etc when you put it back together. It's also tricky to get in and out of, and you really do want to be wearing a helmet every time you drive it. Definitely only for a dedicated track car.
In an ideal world, i'd have gone full cage but everything above makes me happy I went for the right choice for me
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"In an ideal world, i'd have gone full cage but everything above makes me happy I went for the right choice for me
Sorry if I missed it but does the hard top still fit?
Quote from: "phaeton"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"In an ideal world, i'd have gone full cage but everything above makes me happy I went for the right choice for me
Sorry if I missed it but does the hard top still fit?
yep, I only run a hard top.
I don't believe the soft top will fit though.
the roll over bar is simply the rear section of their full cage s:) :) s:)
You have to get the Rogue hard-top mounting kit - you can't use the standard latches with the full cage.
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"You have to get the Rogue hard-top mounting kit - you can't use the standard latches with the full cage.
good point.
same goes for just the rear section.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks mate! Have you got a build thread on the go on any forums?
With the 200sx we're working on some carbon stuff... I've not posted on sxoc yet, but we've basically got a full inlet system sorted:
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We've also made a carbon bonnet, bumper blanking plates, rear and front passenger door cards, so I have a monster update to come some time soon... But nothing for the MR2 yet! I'm building the 2zz as you'll have seen from my thread about bearings, so I need to get on with that before August when my work car goes back... I'll get some of my stuff up when I've made a bit of progress..
They look dead sexy Jonty. Would be great to see some 2ZZ/MR2 specific stuff!
Quote from: "JoeCool"They look dead sexy Jonty. Would be great to see some 2ZZ/MR2 specific stuff!
Thanks! I know mate, Mr2zz (My new registered trademark s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ) stuff would be awesome, though I need to finish off a bunch of projects I have on the go already (as well as my 2zz conversion) before I can contemplate anything else. I'll be up for suggestions at some point I'm sure, but I want to turn it into a part time business, so I have to pick projects wisely... We'd have to find something that isn't too time consuming to make the pattern part, and can be made in as few pieces as possible, so that it can be sold at a sensible price. This type of inlet kit on a GTR or similar vehicle would be 2k ish (We'd refine the design, this was a learning experience for us) so obviously we're not going to do that for an MR2.
...but looking at cars like Mark's does tempt me to just plunge on in and whip out a bonnet and boot, and get a small fleet of us rocking it on track!
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"You have to get the Rogue hard-top mounting kit - you can't use the standard latches with the full cage.
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"I have the full Rogue/P&P roll cage. Cost £650 plus the VAT - its expensive to deliver as Mark said (has to go on a pallet) so I picked mine up form Rogue myself. I'm getting mine welded in next week s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: !
Don't underestimate the work/compromise involved in having a full cage - literally everything needs to come out of the car to fit it, the welding is tricky (you have to patch various holes in the floor, and spend a lifetime scraping seal-sealer off first) and you have to bin the stock heater etc when you put it back together. It's also tricky to get in and out of, and you really do want to be wearing a helmet every time you drive it. Definitely only for a dedicated track car.
Hi
Thank you for the great posts. It's pretty much everything I wanted to know about the full cage for now. It sounds like quite some work getting it fitted! I think I'll have to keep looking around and digging out info. If all goes well and according to plan then I would like to 'drag' the car rather than 'circuit it' so I'll have to keep that in mind when choosing or building a suitable cage, as E.T.s in drag racing determine which cage is required.
For reference, if you guys have a spare bit of time then please have a look at this year's race regulations for those competing in the Jap Drag Series:
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Cheers
Mark, out of PM message incase other people are interested, I was looking at Blyton Park on the 28th of June. Might possibly head up there for a track day. I know its a distance away, but if you are interested let me know, not definite that I'm going. but will know by Monday.
I'm up for it, but I'm not sure my car will be!
I'm away until next weekend so won't be able to get my car for a couple of weeks and will want some time to run it around before tracking it.l
Will have to see s bit closer to the time
Edit; Josh, certain I can't make it now, sorry!
Things haven't gone well for my car, take a seat, get some popcorn, and read through what has happened! You literally couldn't make this stuff up. Apologies for the long post....
As previously reported, during the drive home from the conversion, the car struggled to go into lift, provisionally diagnosed as a temperature related issue.
While trying to diagnose it, a fault code triggered P1349 which is related to a vvti solenoid problem. This triggered my EML and upon googling, it sounds like a blocked valve, or OCV filter. The filters were all cleaned before the engine was fitted, so it seemed strange. No more was thought of it, code cleared to see if it came back.
Anyway, back to diagnosing the lift / temperature fault;
That Same evening, about 1/4 mile from home, I got the car into lift and shifted up from 2nd to 3rd gear, when I felt a loss of power (although still in lift at about 8k rpm). I backed off the throttle and dipped the clutch, only to hear a horrible knocking / tapping noise which directly Increased with engine speed.
With freshly soiled pants, and heart in mouth, I pulled over to listen to it ; I'll add a video soon. My heart dropped, to be honest I knew it wasn't good, but I kept telling myself "it could be something simple...."
I waddled back to the drivers seat (the soiled pants was hindering my ability to walk properly) and nursed the car home in first gear, much to the annoyance of the bus behind me.....Sorry!
I spoke to Patrick on the phone and straight away he said just get the car back to him so we can get it sorted.
I sat down to eat dinner with my partner but felt physically sick, I just knew it was bad news. I didn't sleep at all on Saturday night, and spent most of Sunday in a foul mood, partly because I was knackered, partly because I was in denial about the whole situation!
I went to work in Monday, spoke to my boss, arranged an afternoon off. I arranged to hire the trailer again and headed down to the coast for the 2nd time in 3 days (250mile, 5 hour round trip each time)
As soon as Patrick heard the noise he said "that's the bottom end". At that point I knew my worst fear had become reality; I've just spent all my spare cash on getting this engine in the car, something I've been planning and working toward for the last year...and it's all gone horribly South.
I left the car at Patrick's workshop so he could diagnose the issue. After looking in the top, he couldn't see any thing untoward. Next up the sump was removed and sure enough, a spun bearing on number 3.
The engine has been rebuilt at some point in the past and the crank machined, meaning nothing left (worth risking) on machining the crank again.
I'm no engine expert, but I understand this pretty much makes the bottom end beyond economical repair, as the cranks are circa £600 from Toyota. A new bottom end being £1400+vat.
So my options are;
1) Full rebuild on current engine
Pros; reliability, warranty, piece of mind.
Cons; cost, time, inconvenience (running in etc)
2) Source another 2zz used engine
Pros; quick, cheaper (short term)
Cons, unknown, rolling dice again, no warranty
(I would get the engine fully checked over)
3) Give up for now. Get the car back home with no engine and put it in the garage until I can afford to fix it. (Another year or so, providing I don't lose interest)
My problem is that I don't have stacks of cash to get this sorted. I funded the conversion with a small bonus from work, and I over spent by roughly double, so my contingency was already wiped out! That was on the sump, timing chain, oil pump etc; ironically all the things I paid for to safe guard the engine!
I need to speak to the supplier of the engine in person, as I am hoping they offer some goodwill gesture on my purchase. I won't say any more about that until we've spoken. No warranty was implied, but it's a question of morals as the engine managed the grand total of 200 miles in my possession!
So that's it.
After all the saving, planning, hope and excitement, My 2zz experience lasted around 200 miles. I got it into lift 3 times, then it pretty much blew up.
I still can't believe it to be honest.
At least it's solved my dilemma; which track day (s) should I attend this year.... That'll be none!
I'll upload some pictures when I have some decent wifi!
You poor sod.
Niether of us are having much luck with our cars are we.
I would have a full rebuild on your current engine otherwise you could find youreslf in the same place in a few months time. If you can't afford it now be patient save your pennies it will all work out in the end.
Scotte it was a honour to share half my 2zz miles with you s:D :D s:D
I'll be deciding which way to go over the next days/weeks, it depends mostly on cost
Gutted for you Mark - what a horrible turn of events. Why not pop a cheap 1zz back whilst you get the 2zz rebuilt, so you can at least enjoy the car? You've put so much time money and effort in it to date that it would be daft (and a waste) to give up now.
Quote from: "mr-ed_smt"Gutted for you Mark - what a horrible turn of events. Why not pop a cheap 1zz back whilst you get the 2zz rebuilt, so you can at least enjoy the car? You've put so much time money and effort in it to date that it would be daft (and a waste) to give up now.
It is an options, one which I did consider, but that would mean undoing all the work (read Money) which has gone into the 2zz, and writing off that cash. For me, that isn't an option now. I would resent the car after throwing that much money for nothing. Plus I've sold the old engine so it would mean buying one, and I'd rather put that money toward getting a 2zz running.
Basically, I'm too far down the line to turn back! FML!
Better break out the plastic - you only live once;)!
That is so sad all that effort been following you build , If I had the money after reading that status I would get you a kick ass cosworth 2zz.
If it was me I think I would go see if I could find a cheap donor car just so you. Get it going.
Sorry to hear that, must be pretty soul destroying.
If I was you, assuming you can find the cash to do it, I'd be buying a cheap 190 Celica/Corolla and pulling the engine out of that, at least you can test drive it. Sell off what you don't need (which would be a lot as you already have most of it) and try to make as much money back as possible.
Is the 1zz bottom end the same as a 2zz?
Quote from: "men3cac"Sorry to hear that, must be pretty soul destroying.
If I was you, assuming you can find the cash to do it, I'd be buying a cheap 190 Celica/Corolla and pulling the engine out of that, at least you can test drive it. Sell off what you don't need (which would be a lot as you already have most of it) and try to make as much money back as possible.
Thanks. That is a viable option. My reservation is that old saying, Once bitten, twice shy.
My current engine was driven when in the Celica and was deemed good. The rocker cover was removed and everything inspected,all looked good. It was driven in the roadster and seemed ok.
What I'm saying is I could be in the situation again, it is another gamble doing that.
Quote from: "tomaky"Is the 1zz bottom end the same as a 2zz?
I have nothing to base this on but I highly doubt it
Ali suspect there different if there not there's one here for you there's also a decent 1ZZ that could be rebuilt if needed.
You said it yourself once bitten twice shy.
I don't know what your better half is like but mine would write off the first engine without too much fuss. Sh it happens.
If i bought another 2zz and that failed on me i don't think my life would be worth living.
Quote from: "tomaky"Ali suspect there different if there not there's one here for you there's also a decent 1ZZ that could be rebuilt if needed.
Hey you stop giving engines away. You might owe me a new one. Tomaky Turbo Totaller!!! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s;) ;) s;)
So sorry to be reading this Mark,saw your car looking sad and sorry for itself at Patrick's on Monday,absolutely gutted for you mate,hope you get things sorted.
Andy.
My turbo's running ace it's got fresh Mot aswell s:) :) s:) well I'm going to have three engines in bits so no worries
Gutted for you Mark s:( :( s:(
If it was me I would get a replacement stock 2zz with good compression numbers and throw that at it asap. Normally I'm an advocate of being sensible with money, but if I were you I would get a credit card warmed up and slap the work on that, then sort out the finances later on.
I mothballed my car in April 2013 with a blown engine... I regret not getting the car back on the road right away and instead waiting to do things when "the timing is right". In fact - given that I have had a pretty cushy life - it's probably one of my biggest regrets. A friend of mine said to me a few weeks ago "life is too short to drive rubbish cars" and I can't agree more. I see my colleagues coming to work on motorbikes or in a nice Elise, Impreza, s2000, and I realise I just missed out on 30mins of enjoying life...
Awww man, this seriously sucks.
I feel your pain Mark. s:-( :-( s:-(
You have done the right thing in getting the problem diagnosed properly. Has Patrick been able to validate the quality of the rest of the engine? Block etc
If the rest of that is still good, then I'd be inclined to pursue the road you are already on with a replacement crank and bottom end rebuild. I know it means cash and/or waiting but it will deliver the car you wanted with the reliability you expected.
I hope that your comeback on the engine supplier gives you something positive. That should help to lessen the pain some.
Lastly, something we can give in abundance is plenty of listening, opinions (when asked for s;-) ;-) s;-) ) and most of all lots of encouragement! s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce: Chin up fella. s:-D :-D s:-D
Really sorry to hear this, anything i can do to help just give me a shout. I'd look on Copart for a damaged 2zz car.
Mark, just found your post. I can imagine that sinking sick feeling, when spent a lot of money and time then spend couple of hundred miles on the road to all end up going south.
It was always a concern in my mind every time I heard something I thought sshit shit sshit !
Having spent 5 months on my project the longer you leave it the bigger the risk real world events "life" will slow down its resurrection.
I'll add Celia 190 to my eBay alerts and let know when I find a car s;) ;) s;)
Don't suppose you want to drive the k20 to perk your spirist up?
Mark if the 1zz crank are the same as the 2zz then I got one you can have. I know the block is different extra oil ways and larger bore.
Gutting mate... just read your posts.
But chin up, you will get it sorted one way or another. Best way has got to be rebuilding your engine. At least you will know it's done and reliable. Find all the parts yourself over a bit of time then you are just paying for Patricks labour later.
spreading the cost a little won't hurt as much but will be worth it for a reliable engine.
Scott...what's wrong with yours? I keep seeing posts about its broken. Is it serious mate?
Quote from: "frootloops"Quote from: "ChrisGB"Let's not get into mud slinging here.
Isn't that the route we went down when he started blaming brand new parts too? Let's face it, this swap hasn't been good from the moment it was done.
Ive been an engineer for 24 years, I am very good at my job and have learnt a lot of things over that time.
The most important being that there is a big difference between new parts and used parts... If I fit old parts to machinery, I can make it work, but I can not say how long for.. The person doing the work can NOT be blamed for an unforeseeable mechanical failure.
This car has had an engine replacement and not an engine rebuild. They are 2 completely different things. This is the first thing that needs to be correctly understood to know where to draw the line of responsibility of the person doing the swap.
Mark has an unfortunate situation where the engine that has been professionally fitted (NOT rebuilt) has failed.
I think all comments on this subject should be focused towards solving a component failure to help mark find the cheapest and most reliable solution to a problem which is his responsability as he supplied the parts.
Quote from: "frootloops"Quote from: "ChrisGB"Let's not get into mud slinging here.
Isn't that the route we went down when he started blaming brand new parts too? Let's face it, this swap hasn't been good from the moment it was done.
Exactly. Some folks on here seem to be keen to criticise others work without reading / knowing all the facts. From my moderator point of view, I don't want to be locking another 2zz thread, so keep it constructive and relevant. It seems there are tensions here, possibly baggage from other forums, I really don't know, but we don't want it aired here.
Objectively and back on topic, if I where fitting a used 2zz in my car with a view to using it on track, I would probably replace the thermostat and definitely the oil pump as a matter of course. The engine not going lift is unlikely to be oil pressure related, it was established that it worked once the engine was up to temperature.
It is really gutting when your pride and joy has problems like this. When modifying, you are stepping away from the manufacturers quality assurance and engineering processes, so you will be in a world of variables many of which are uncharted. Chuck in used parts of uncertain history, the risk grows exponentially. Easy to blame whoever built it, but given the engine's had a previous refurb, we really can't say what caused the failure.
Quote from: "Leethesparky"Quote from: "frootloops"Quote from: "ChrisGB"Let's not get into mud slinging here.
Isn't that the route we went down when he started blaming brand new parts too? Let's face it, this swap hasn't been good from the moment it was done.
Ive been an engineer for 24 years, I am very good at my job and have learnt a lot of things over that time.
The most important being that there is a big difference between new parts and used parts... If I fit old parts to machinery, I can make it work, but I can not say how long for.. The person doing the work can NOT be blamed for an unforeseeable mechanical failure.
This car has had an engine replacement and not an engine rebuild. They are 2 completely different things. This is the first thing that needs to be correctly understood to know where to draw the line of responsibility of the person doing the swap.
Mark has an unfortunate situation where the engine that has been professionally fitted (NOT rebuilt) has failed.
I think all comments on this subject should be focused towards solving a component failure to help mark find the cheapest and most reliable solution to a problem which is his responsability as he supplied the parts.
I agree with you.
Sensible measures were taken to "safeguard" the engine; complete timing chain kit, new Toyota oil pump, water pump, thermostat, clutch, flywheel, baffled sump.
HOWEVER, the engine wasn't stripped and/or rebuilt by Patrick. His responsibility was to fit the engine.
The history of the engine is as follows; Celica was purchased by an mr2roc forum member who was going to put the engine in their car. They had it delivered to Patrick's workshop. Patrick drove the celica and all seemed ok, so it was removed and the car scrapped.
The engine was stored at Patrick's for a while. The owner changed their mind and contacted me to see if i wanted to buy the engine and have Patrick fit it.
That is when I came to meet Patrick and asked him to fit it for me.
So although Patrick had the engine and from his limited testing, said it was good, he is not to be held responsible for the failure.
I think it was coincidence; I wonder if the engine was a fresh bodged rebuild to get it running to sell on, or something similar (wrong size shells, for example) ?
We don't know if those couple of hundred miles are all the engine has done since being rebuilt, in any car.
My only hope at the moment is that I can get some help with the cost from the previously mentioned forum member. As previously stated, it will be a good will / moral decision for them.
I something similar (situation wise) happened to to me once;
I sold a car (Seat Leon Cupra) to a work colleague. The actual day they bought it, I got a call from him; the clutch had gone!
Turns out the clutch plate came apart and took out the flywheel too. I sell all cars as sold as seen and there was no sign anything was going wrong while I had owned the car. Anyway, I took the car to my preferred mechanic and had the clutch and flywheel (and slave cylinder to be on the safe side) replaced at my cost ~£900 (sold the car to him for £6000) . Sometimes things don't go to plan, but it's how we deal with those situations that shapes us.
As Patrick mentioned; oil pressure gauge was fitted at filter sandwich plate location.
Oil pressure was monitored as much as possible and pressure was excellent whenever checked
I can't disagree it has been a disaster. Total disaster. It has so far cost me about double what I expected. And that's all before the engine let go.
But, and I know we aren't going to agree on this, so I'm not arguing as such, but, if you look at the circumstances of the issues, I like to look at the facts and break them down before pointing the finger...
1) Lift; it was working when Patrick drove it. I even asked him to drive it round for the day rather than just a single test drive, and it WAS going into lift. It was an intermittent fault which I managed to recreate the scenario. This isn't good an I would have preferred Patrick to find the issue. But he didn't know it was there and so how can we expect people to look for faults, where do you stop?
2) Engine failure. It was checked (by driving the donor car) before hand, and it was running well. When it was put in the mr2, we both commented how smooth and quiet the engine was.
Patrick has done a load of these swaps and quite often they don't even check the engine. In fact the swap before mine, they just had the engine delivered and put it straight in the MR2. That one is still running fine. If I would have taken the engine to Patrick and he fitted it, he would have absolutely no responsibility.
I'd really appreciate it if this thread doesn't get locked like the "all things 2zz" thread.
Let's keep it to fact rather than opinion on the how's and whys.
Fact; I need to rob a bank, or a post office will do. Anyone game? s:D :D s:D
Oh Mark! What a shame! My 2pence, you have come so far with it, by stopping or getting a new engine is completely wasting your money as its all just down the drain. While if you rebuild the current engine, you know where you stand, you have spend more money than you ever thought you were going to do, but you have the final product. An asset, that can keep providing to your thrills at least bring you joy, instead of nothing but bad memories.
I doubt there is anything that I can do to help, with my lack of mechanical knowledge, lack of Mr2 and lack of parts, I really have no use! But if you want to rob a bank, I'm in s:) :) s:)
I really feel your pain Mark, I know that physically sick feeling when things don't go right, it does ease with time, as to what to do is a problem, can the crank be ground again? If so that is as likely to be the cheapest option.
The 1zz crank will not fit as the stroke is different
Hard work Mark, I think much has already been said about using second hand engines. It's a risk you need to accept and you did the absolute sensible things replacing what you did.
From my experience the ocv's used for vvti and in this case lift die with age. One minute they're working fine, the next not. Maybe that time sitting unused didn't do the lift ocv say favours.
The big end could have been on its way already and alas hadn't been checked. If Patrick can be accused of anything it is only being thoroughly professional and good at engineering.
It highlights really what I've said all along, don't think a 2zz us the cure to a 1zz. It's simply a different engine that's been used and has a history you don't know 100% about.
So what's next? Regrind and new big ends? Really depends on your budget but that's the minimum needs doing imho.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I'd really appreciate it if this thread doesn't get locked like the "all things 2zz" thread.
Let's keep it to fact rather than opinion on the how's and whys.
Fact; I need to rob a bank, or a post office will do. Anyone game? s:D :D s:D
I well up for a bank job mate or a diamond heist.
Can we use the 350 for the get away?
Decent boot on it?
You've got my number.
Quote from: "Jrichards20"I doubt there is anything that I can do to help, with my lack of mechanical knowledge, lack of Mr2 and lack of parts, I really have no use! But if you want to rob a bank, I'm in s:) :) s:)
You could give him the 2zz out of your elise. s;) ;) s;)
I'm in for the bank job too,can we move discussions to pm. :-) :-) :-)
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Ohhh mate no way that is gutting, i feel for you.
i would rebuild the whole engine mate at least then you'll be left with a solid engine for another 100k, grantted i wont be cheap but a chance to make it a better engine i.e better cams etc
cheers tommy
I'd say get an unopened 2zz in there ASAP, then do the rebuild - it'll be about £600 for the engine, and keeps the car rolling...
s:o :o s:o no way
IM so sorry to hear this
Just been catching up on this now
I'll be very careful with what I say here as it's incredibly easy to rock the boat around this neck of the woods... and nobody wants to see more threads locked.
If I were you I'd buy another donor car drop the engine and whack it in the mr2 yourself (you've got a garage anyway so it'll only cost you the engine hoist). Things like the modified dipstick and the engine mount have already been done so it will be an easy swap and then you can spend some time breaking the donor car to recoupe some of the extra money you've invested... what you do about the engine you already have is not for me to say.
Just read this. This was one of my favourite threads so I'm gutted for you to see it has ended this way.
Having said that, I truly hope it isn't the end. You've spent so much time on it, and money and gone to great lengths to get it as you want.
If there was such thing as a car MRI, we'd all have less issues with our cars. Unfortunately tearing a block apart just for the sake of checking it out in detail is not exactly a quick and easy job that anybody in their right mind would consider doing, unless funds were plentiful.
I do understand that money doesn't grow on trees though, and if you do take a break to build up a piggy bank again, please remember that it's an inspiration to many other members on here to see work like this! So keep at it!!
Oh what a sickener! thats really really unlucky mate s:( :( s:(
I had 2 years of problems with my turbo installation due to it being a used kit, not quite on your scale, but i must admit to feeling quite p1ssed off with it all at times and wondered whether to carry on or not. All i can say is if its want you really want then finish the car, they tend to become a labour of love/moneypit as theyre getting older anyway. If its a keeper id rebuild your engine, at least then your not gambling on another unknown engine.
Quote from: "frootloops"If I were you I'd buy another donor car drop the engine and whack it in the mr2 yourself (you've got a garage anyway so it'll only cost you the engine hoist). Things like the modified dipstick and the engine mount have already been done so it will be an easy swap and then you can spend some time breaking the donor car to recoupe some of the extra money you've invested... what you do about the engine you already have is not for me to say.
That's actually hugely sensible, after all all the hard work has been done for you.
Though I appreciate you also need the time, space, and energy to do that. I know what it's like for things to go wrong and feel as if just setting the whole job on fire, but stick with it and it'll be worth it when you're driving along roof down.
Patrick has offered to put another engine in the car if I source one, so I wouldn't need to do it myself.
It's a good idea but my worry is that I buy another lemon s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Quote from: "frootloops"If I were you I'd buy another donor car drop the engine and whack it in the mr2 yourself (you've got a garage anyway so it'll only cost you the engine hoist). Things like the modified dipstick and the engine mount have already been done so it will be an easy swap and then you can spend some time breaking the donor car to recoupe some of the extra money you've invested... what you do about the engine you already have is not for me to say.
That's actually hugely sensible, after all all the hard work has been done for you.
Though I appreciate you also need the time, space, and energy to do that. I know what it's like for things to go wrong and feel as if just setting the whole job on fire, but stick with it and it'll be worth it when you're driving along roof down.
Agreed,
DIY it. Get some mates over, beer money labour, sunny weekend. jobs a good un'
well, might be a bit more difficult than that, but certainly doable.
I'll see how much it'll cost to rebuild the engine I already have, once I know how much that will be I can weigh up the cost of doing that or buying another engine.
Gutted for you dude s:( :( s:(
I'll pm you when I get home
I did think frootloops had a good idea, my only thing would be you are putting yourself in the same position with the engine going bang. You would be extremely unlucky, but from the way it's gone, it could be very possible.
Definitely compare the price of rebuilt to price of doner car-bits sold.
Quote from: "Jrichards20"I did think frootloops had a good idea, my only thing would be you are putting yourself in the same position with the engine going bang. You would be extremely unlucky, but from the way it's gone, it could be very possible.
Definitely compare the price of rebuilt to price of doner car-bits sold.
Lol exactly what I said; what's the chances of that happening again....but what's the chances of happening in the first place s:D :D s:D
I ended up with a bad 2ZZ engine as well so they are out there. I had to take it on the chin even though I found it was a pile of junk before even getting it in a car. It is hugely frustrating and costly.
I know your pain I did a 2zz change in my car after doing a fair few for others about 3 days later just hitting lift the cam chain snapped. Gutted wasn't the word for it the car stayed where it broke for about 2 weeks till I calmed down then got it recovered to my mothers where it still is parked on her drive. However I've decided to drop the engine and box out and put a really strong 1zz back in while I rebuild the engine I have got hold of a good 2zz head that was cheaper than buying a set of valves. If I were you I would get the crank ground and put it back in the car. If you do start thinking of a full rebuild you will need new liners and pistons that will start costing
Unfortunately, if I read correctly, the crank has already had a regrind, so a new or good condition used crankshaft is going to be needed one way or another. Keep at it, the effort will be worth it.
Quote from: "ChrisGB"Unfortunately, if I read correctly, the crank has already had a regrind, so a new or good condition used crankshaft is going to be needed one way or another. Keep at it, the effort will be worth it.
Yes the crank has All ready been ground to 0.5 that crank will not be used again . And the Conrod will not be used again . Just waiting for Toyota to give the price of all the bits
As Patrick says it has been ground before and we suspect if we had it done to max 0.75 it would probably spin the same one again in the future... Plus the cost of a regrind isn't far off an unmolested crank.
Quote from: "cabbydave"I know your pain I did a 2zz change in my car after doing a fair few for others about 3 days later just hitting lift the cam chain snapped. Gutted wasn't the word for it the car stayed where it broke for about 2 weeks till I calmed down then got it recovered to my mothers where it still is parked on her drive. However I've decided to drop the engine and box out and put a really strong 1zz back in while I rebuild the engine I have got hold of a good 2zz head that was cheaper than buying a set of valves. If I were you I would get the crank ground and put it back in the car. If you do start thinking of a full rebuild you will need new liners and pistons that will start costing
I know how you feel. It's probably lucky Patrick has my car or it'd have some extra dents s:( :( s:(
Sickener isn't it
Gutted for you mate. It's a risk we all run. That's why I bought a whole car - Having thrashed the ever loving sshit shit sshit out of it for a thousand miles and up the drag strip, I at least know it should work when it goes into the MR2. After that, all bets are off.
You will fix it. The car will run again, as you want it to. Don't lose heart. It's just metal. Just bits. Just big Lego. You can rebuild it stronger.
Not worth losing sleep or being miserable over. Just find the best way forwards and do it.
Wise words from Mr J Cool
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Patrick has offered to put another engine in the car if I source one, so I wouldn't need to do it myself.
It's a good idea but my worry is that I buy another lemon s:( :( s:(
I have just read through the last few pages, very sorry to hear about your nightmare.
Would an option be to get Patrick to fit a cheap donor car engine and you make the rebuild a longer term project as funds allow? Then you will eventually get the reliability and knowledge it has all been rebuilt.
When you have the old engine rebuilt you could then sell a tried and working engine (hopefully) that you had been using. At least if you drive the donor car you may have confidence in it?
Good luck with whichever route you take.
Quote from: "Topdownman"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Patrick has offered to put another engine in the car if I source one, so I wouldn't need to do it myself.
It's a good idea but my worry is that I buy another lemon s:( :( s:(
I have just read through the last few pages, very sorry to hear about your nightmare.
Would an option be to get Patrick to fit a cheap donor car engine and you make the rebuild a longer term project as funds allow? Then you will eventually get the reliability and knowledge it has all been rebuilt.
When you have the old engine rebuilt you could then sell a tried and working engine (hopefully) that you had been using. At least if you drive the donor car you may have confidence in it?
Good luck with whichever route you take.
I'm struggling to find a way to afford doing one or the other, so doing both is out of the question, unfortunately.
terrible news mate,on a very slight brightside at least you can buy a reasonably new low mile 2zz engine to replace it with as you have all the older parts there to convert it back to cable throttle etc,i could keep an eye out for a decent candidate for you
Quote from: "vtifan"terrible news mate,on a very slight brightside at least you can buy a reasonably new low mile 2zz engine to replace it with as you have all the older parts there to convert it back to cable throttle etc,i could keep an eye out for a decent candidate for you
I'm struggling to find anything suitable at the moment so if you have links, means, or ways then I'd be interested to hear...thanks very much for the offer
In the interest of education here is what a 2zz with a bottom end knock sounds like
https://vimeo.com/130642925
Unhear Unhear. s:-( :-( s:-(
Here are some pictures from Patrick's Post-mortem
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you could quite possibly get away with a crank a set of mains and big end bearings on that,hopefully not too much has made it through your strainer to your new oil pump,if you didnt run it too long it should be ok,i do have access to some salvage sites vvtli's do come up pretty regular but there are none on right now.if i see anything i will let you know
Mmmmm I beg to differ but not actually being there it might be different in the flesh, that spun one looks nasty, think it needs more than just a new shell s:( :( s:(
the silver "metallic" mesh is all inside your engine, in block, in oil sqirters, in head, in rockers, in rocker shafts, in camshafts... I've seen numerous engines after bearing failure that fail again after 1000km... The only way to make sure it won't happen again is to clean all engine parts. You would be surprised how much of that metallic mesh can be inside camshafts, I have some pictures of cleaning them on an engine with bad bearing
That could be the reason for the failure, as we know it has been rebuilt recently
Quote from: "phaeton"Mmmmm I beg to differ but not actually being there it might be different in the flesh, that spun one looks nasty, think it needs more than just a new shell s:( :( s:(
i said crank and shells lol the crank looks fecked from here,depends if there has been so much flapping about if it haas scored the bore or damaged piston skirts,rings
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Quote from: "mxcum167"Check out this item on the Bay. 171825770115 Not sure if it is of any use to you?
I have no connection with this item or the person selling it BTW. :-) :-) :-)
Thanks, that's an interesting find s:) :) s:)
That ebay item looks like a damm good option!
not in my eyes.keep your money and buy something that hasnt been open.
Its a difficult one that is but as it has been said you don't know why the engine was taken apart previously nor how well it was cleaned
Quote from: "cabbydave"Its a difficult one that is but as it has been said you don't know why the engine was taken apart previously nor how well it was cleaned
That's my main concern about getting it rebuilt - I'd really like to know why it failed before spending a load of money on new parts for it!
The compression on a 2zz should be really high. Ask Patrick how high his was after he put new rings in his. If anyone says the bores have been honed walk away fast
That ebay not good to me as the guy bought a whole engine and box on the 8th of this month.
buy a crashed car IMO; you don't get to drive it, but you also know it's not had a poor refurb carried out just so you can do an around the block...
I agree re the eBay short block. It's had a bottom end failure, a rebuild, and then a top end failure. Who knows how much swarf and crap is hiding in there? Oiling is critical in the 2ZZ, I'd MUCH rather have an engine you cans tart and preferably drive to check health.
Thays why I bought a whole car. I've got some service history, and I've driven it, changed the oil, flushed it and changed the oil again. Oil is still absolutely clear after 300 miles, OCV valve filters are spotless, and the engine uses no oil and pulls hard. Plugs thwt came out of it were nice clean iridiums too, so I think it's been cared for in its past life.
I paid 900 for the car and by the time I've sold a few bits off the engine and gearbox won't owe me.much more than 500, and this bloke wants 400 for a bottom end that has been in a failed engine TWICE? Imo you're buying someone else's problems.
Get an engine you can have faith in. Once they're parted from their car and on a pallet, who knows where they've been or how much abuse they've suffered?
I bet my engine fails first turn of the key in the MR2 now.....
I don't disagree with you, but the engine I bought was in a car that was driven and checked out first! Albeit not for as long as you have.
I agree your approach is probably the best way to do this conversion, 2nd only to doing all that, then rebuilding the engine to make "as new" before fitting in the Mr2
I'm getting past the pain, anguish, frustration and upset of everything that happened and thinking about best way forward.
I've come to terms with myself that regardless of how I go about this, the fact it happened in the first place, is going to cost me another £1000ish.
I've accepted the bottom end of my engine is pretty much scrap; the crank is no good, one con rod has blued, so needs replacing, and who knows what else has been done in there during that dodgy rebuild....So I'm not entertaining using that bottom end. At all.
The options I've got (realistically – I know there are others, but that would work for me)
1) Buy an engine from a breaker – James (Sadlebag) kindly gave me the details of a guy who only breaks Gen 7 Celicas on CCUK.
Foolishly, or sensibly, I wouldn't trust another engine without looking inside it first. I know the chances of another failing that quickly is low, but once bitten, and all that. And to be fair to Patrick, I don't think he would want to fit another one to my car without knowing himself that I wont be back 2 hours later!
So if I was to do this, I would get it opened up and checked out for original Toyota shells on the bottom end and an unmolested crank. If its ok, partial rebuild (new shells) – if not, I've wasted my money.
2) Buy a complete Corolla or Celica and break it. I don't have the space to do this at home, so Patrick would have to be paid to take the engine out etc, which would limit my ability to sell the parts, which is additional cost and time which I don't really have. Do I check the engine as in scenario 1?...I'd sleep better if I did, so not much better. Although as previously stated, at least the car could be driven a bit to gain some confidence before stripping it down. In the back of my mind though, the Celica my current engine was out of was driven, so that isn't a fool proof way.
3) Build a new engine from Toyota parts. Crank, or a complete bottom end is very expensive, but a used bottom end, with a known good crank could be used. Have the engine totally rebuilt from ground up. We know my head is good, so can have that refreshed. Refresh the used bottom end with new rings and shells, and will have a lot more confidence in the engine, shorter term AND longer term. It would need running in, so no track days for a long time. The cost is higher than option 1, probably the same as option 2, give or take.
After crunching all the numbers, speaking to Patrick about all the options and costs involved, I've decided to go route 3. This would only be possible because Viett has offered me his known good (unmolested) spare 2zz bottom end for a very reasonable price. I'll go to pick it up this weekend and drop it off ready for the rebuild.
I spoke to the guy who I bought the engine from (via Patrick) and we chatted about the whole situation. He offered to split the loss between us, paying me back around half the money I paid him. That was very decent of him and restored some faith in the whole "forum sales community". I wouldn't say he was happy about it, but that's understandable! At the end of the day we both took a risk in buying that engine, and we both lost, so splitting the loss is fair; I've probably paid a fair amount for the parts I'm keeping (gearbox, head, ECU etc).
So onwards and upwards, let the (re)rebuild begin....
Good to hear you have managed to level yourself and come up with a plan of action. These things are set to test us. Onwards and upwards s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Glad to hear you have a plan Mark - and most of all that you're not giving up! I'd agree that route 3 is the best option - you haven't cut any corners on the rest of the car, so it's only right that you take the same route with the engine. If you're planning to keep the car for a while, its the only sensible option.
Kudos to the chap that sold you the engine - he didn't have to do that, and most wouldn't.
Must say thanks to all who have contributed their thoughts and ideas, and encouragement! I wasn't far off giving up and breaking it for parts.
Glad you have found a route to take
This car was far to good to be lost to the parts bin.
I suppose good things come to those who wait and you certainly have had too.
Best of luck with the rebuild dude
Jackpot buddy a veru positive work round s:) :) s:)
Very good news to here. Glad its got a happy outcome.
Good plan and happy you got a little something back it isn't nice when your project goes bang.
Good job Mark, glad you are on the road to recovery!
As has been said you've put in too much effort and the car is too nice for this project to reach an early grave... I look forwards to seeing the progress.
Glad to hear this, respect to the seller too.
Lets hope that making the decision was the hardest part and you will be driving the car again soon!
I am pleased that you've gone for the rebuild. Perhaps not the cheapest but imho the safest option.
Also whoever has split the loss with you is a decent guy he could have told you to get knotted sold as seen and all that.
All in all the best you could hope for from the situation.
Good option Mark, at least you know what is now going to be the condition of your engine. Keep us all updated! How many miles will you have to run the engine in for?
Quote from: "1979scotte"Also whoever has split the loss with you is a decent guy he could have told you to get knotted sold as seen and all that.
Have to agree with this one, it just goes to prove that not everybody is out to make a fast buck & that there are still some nice people out there.
Quote from: "phaeton"Quote from: "1979scotte"Also whoever has split the loss with you is a decent guy he could have told you to get knotted sold as seen and all that.
Have to agree with this one, it just goes to prove that not everybody is out to make a fast buck & that there are still some nice people out there.
Yes I totally agree, but i would also like to think that it is an advantage of buying through a forum like this, rather than from Joe Bloggs on eBay.
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Good option Mark, at least you know what is now going to be the condition of your engine. Keep us all updated! How many miles will you have to run the engine in for?
I don't know exactly yet but from what I understand it's around 1000 in total;
- 500 miles very carefully driving.
- Oil change
-500 miles bringing revs up and can occasionally use lift
- Oil change
I've never done this before so it's all new to me.
I will of course take professional advise and follow it rigorously, after what's happened I ain't taking chances!
However, considering I only did about 1200miles between MOTs last year, that might take a while!
borrow me it a couple of weeks ill get your miles up hehe.
I'll soon get those miles up for you mark.
Done 4k in the last 6 months.
Great to see you getting this sorted Mark and very decent of the seller to reimburse half the original engine purchase price.
Great to see you thinking about it logically and rationally. It is so easy to make a snap decision that you later regret.
Good news on the splitting of loss too. Hats off to that member, as Scotte says. Another +1 for ROC. s:-D :-D s:-D
I look forward to reading that you have achieved lift consistently and how much you love it. s;-) ;-) s;-)
I'm here to help with new engine build too, always very pleased to give some advice. My running is - first 1000km with small to middle load, the closer to 1000km the higher revs reaching, but not 100% full load, then oil change and then full powa!
Full refresh sounds like a good plan, now you've had a bad experience I don't think you'd ever be able to fully enjoy a used motor without worrying it was about to pop!
On the running in subject fully agree with following a careful regime, but I also wonder what they do with full race cars, they regularly have rebuilds and don't have the option of running in on the road? 1000 miles would be a lot of laps...
Quote from: "jaworjawor"I'm here to help with new engine build too, always very pleased to give some advice. My running is - first 1000km with small to middle load, the closer to 1000km the higher revs reaching, but not 100% full load, then oil change and then full powa!
Thanks, sounds sensible to me
Quote from: "TiM3"Full refresh sounds like a good plan, now you've had a bad experience I don't think you'd ever be able to fully enjoy a used motor without worrying it was about to pop!
On the running in subject fully agree with following a careful regime, but I also wonder what they do with full race cars, they regularly have rebuilds and don't have the option of running in on the road? 1000 miles would be a lot of laps...
You are exactly right Tim, I appreciate all your input during this process...as always s:) :) s:)
The dead engine was removed from the car today and stripped down.
It's a complete joke, parts missing, parts not fitted correctly and the face of the head looks like it's been sanded down by hand, by a grizzly bear...or should that be his paw s:D :D s:D
So it would seem this engine was literally thrown together to get it traded in/sold/whatever. What is really strange is before the failures, compression test was excellent, and when running it sounded as sweet as any I've heard, we all commented how quiet and smooth it was. Just goes to show, you never really know, until you know!
This engine was never going to last, it's probably a good thing it went straight away rather than luring me into a false sense of security and leaving me stranded somewhere like Anglesey or Cadwel Park!
Oh, and Patrick took that thermostat out. Sure enough it was stuck half open, so that confirms our theory of temperature/lack of lift.
Note to self and all...don't buy none genuine parts. Lesson learned.
Glad to hear that you're getting the car sorted mark. My engine also has good compression despite being a right mess. Look forward to some videos once it's all running well.
Just caught up on this, what an absolute pain. Not sure what route i'd go from where you're at. but looks like you've decided, and its not a bad route to go I don't think.
Glad to see you've got a plan sorted and that you're moving forward with it!
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I don't know exactly yet but from what I understand it's around 1000 in total;
- 500 miles very carefully driving.
- Oil change
-500 miles bringing revs up and can occasionally use lift
- Oil change
I've never done this before so it's all new to me.
I will of course take professional advise and follow it rigorously, after what's happened I ain't taking chances!
However, considering I only did about 1200miles between MOTs last year, that might take a while!
thats what we did meerrk, think we did around 1500 before taking it to the track, never missed a beat since
just remember to use running in oil for the first 500 at least, we used millers running in oil.
also its not good to run it in down a motorway for example needs to be put under varying loads at low revs then increase the revs slowly as the miles climb, also on first start up don't let it just sit and idle get in and drive straight away especially if running new cams etc
cheers tommy
Quote from: "tommyzoom99"
I don't know exactly yet but from what I understand it's around 1000 in total;
- 500 miles very carefully driving.
- Oil change
-500 miles bringing revs up and can occasionally use lift
- Oil change
I've never done this before so it's all new to me.
I will of course take professional advise and follow it rigorously, after what's happened I ain't taking chances!
However, considering I only did about 1200miles between MOTs last year, that might take a while![/quote]
thats what we did meerrk, think we did around 1500 before taking it to the track, never missed a beat since
just remember to use running in oil for the first 500 at least, we used millers running in oil.
also its not good to run it in down a motorway for example needs to be put under varying loads at low revs then increase the revs slowly as the miles climb, also on first start up don't let it just sit and idle get in and drive straight away especially if running new cams etc
cheers tommy[/quote]
Thanks for the info Tommy, that's in line with what I've heard so far, good to have confirmation from recent experience too s:) :) s:)
no worries mate, im mean opinions do differ on running in and people do things slightly different but i have run in a few engines like this now with no issues, and know a bloke who builds race engines as his job and this is what he told us, as long as you don't do anything daft you'll have no issues.
cheers tommy
Watched a episode of Fast & Loud last night from 2013 I think, Richard built his own car some V8 with a Supercharger all brand new, put skinny tyres (or should that be tires) on the front & stupidly wide slicks on the back. Took it out of the garage & whether it happened exactly as shown proceeded to do several on the limiter burn outs, initial reaction was I wonder how long that engine will last.
At Le Mans on Friday afternoon the Aston Martins were having their engines changed!!
That's an interesting thought. I don't know.
It reminds me of someone I used to work with, he bought an ex-supersports r6 full race bike, he sometimes rode it to work (!) and to warm it up when leaving, would switch it on and hold at full throttle for 5seconds...that's how the race team told him to warm and start it! So I guess race engines and race teams have different techniques because they have different life expectancy to us road go-ers
24 hours for the Aston' s!!!
I guess they are run in a test cell first though
I guess your right Meeeerrrk but a Porsche blew its engine very early on in the 24 hours.
Mammoth road trip today, left at 7:30am, home at 6pm, 385miles....all for the love of Mr2!
Picked up a nice clean 2zz bottom end from Viett (thanks again mate) and dropped it off with Patrick to refresh ready for the engine rebuild.
So hopefully the work can really begin now!
Oh and by the way not on,y was that thermostat a load of crap, the water pump I purchased new, also from GSF was leaking.
Seriously, if you need parts, buy OEM Toyota
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Oh and by the way not on,y was that thermostat a load of crap, the water pump I purchased new, also from GSF was leaking.
Seriously, if you need parts, buy OEM Toyota
Totally agree buy cheap buy twice
Too right Dave. I've learnt the hard way
You are not alone I still haven't taken the engine out of my 2zz from when the cheap cam chain tensioner gave up and snapped the chain. I have bought the bits to repair it but hate the car at the moment still. In fact today I hate all cars as the rear shocker mount snapped on the old golf today so that's getting a new one next week and a trip to ebay to rid it. Just need a cheap ripper with long mot to see me through until I get my other car on the road
Tough times. Lucky you know what your doing or you'd be broke too!
Maybe the knowledge but lacking in time but I work at a great place and its 18 miles of national speed limit to work
Patrick's been a busy boy, receiving a big delivery of only genuine Toyota parts (after my recent issues!) and has the replacement bottom end built up with new parts;
- Big end bearings
- Main bearings
- Piston rings
- Oil pump
The bottom end is now ready for the head, which is being machined and built up this week.
In the end it was decided the head was such a mess that a replacement was sourced; it just goes to show how bad the engine was; we haven't used any of it!
Once finished, the head can be fitted to the bottom end with new head gasket, new head bolts (Genuine Toyota of course), and all the ancillary parts can be fitted.
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well that looks like something in my garage s:) :) s:) If you can order your head to be skimmed by 0,45mm, it will bump the cr to 12.0:1
Nice to see some progress.
Good to see this moving forward. Was the head messed up by the bottom end failure or just not in good condition generally?
Quote from: "ChrisGB"Good to see this moving forward. Was the head messed up by the bottom end failure or just not in good condition generally?
It was in poor condition. It has been rubbed down with what looked like 80 grit paper and had some scoring in the top cam bearing surface. So it was decided not to risk using it at all
Really glad to see that you've being able to get sorted so soon having read about the terrible luck you had with the last engine. The new engine is looking really good I'm sure many at the stage you were at would have called it a day.
After you've ran the engine in and your faith in the car is restored it will all be worthwhile when you have the chance crank up the revs, hear the lift kick in and roar down the road s:D :D s:D
Good to see this is progressing bud, guessing the track day anytime soon is out of the question now lol!
needs to get some miles on the thing get yourself on a drive up to my house and back!!!
Yeah it will need running in properly for a while. Track days are certainly out the question for that reason, and because I literally have no spare money for the rest of the year....at least!
Good to see things are coming together.
Back on the road soon!
Quote from: "Leethesparky"Good to see things are coming together.
Back on the road soon!
It's not "leethesparky" speed but we are getting there! s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "Leethesparky"Good to see things are coming together.
Back on the road soon!
It's not "leethesparky" speed but we are getting there! s:) :) s:)
Nothing is that fast, especially with his Mrs away and no GOT to watch on sky.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "Leethesparky"Good to see things are coming together.
Back on the road soon!
It's not "leethesparky" speed but we are getting there! s:) :) s:)
Nothing is that fast, especially with his Mrs away and no GOT to watch on sky.
Actually I'm having a day off today, I can't be bothered. And getting into a new box set after finishing game of thrones... watching vikings now! .. so no car today, s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Could have had a nose wed as was supposed to be picking up your old engine off patrick, but got half way and my 2011 Astra SRi 2.0TDCi decided it didn't like the engine being able to turn and thought it would prefer to lock up.. I suspect I have also snapped a rod s:( :( s:( must be the south coast triangle... danger do not enter! lol.. in a not lol kinda way.
looking good though s:) :) s:)
Oh sshit shit sshit ! Not good sorry to hear that mate s:( :( s:(
Good to see some really good progress at least you know this is going to be right this time. I have been looking at the Cosworth ceramic inlet manifold gasket I have been told it does give you a bit more bhp by andy N20 but I don't have any proof of the gain. It comes in about £50 but its suppost to lower the heat transfer to the inlet manifold. Have a read up about it as you've sent so much on it now whats another £50 betwwen friends
OK... is Meerrrk jinxed? My ECU is with Patrick as we speak. IT had better not rub off! I think that 2ZZ is Evil!!!
I think we can blame mark for all our woes.
My turbo went to pieces not long after meeting him for a drive.
Quote from: "cabbydave"Good to see some really good progress at least you know this is going to be right this time. I have been looking at the Cosworth ceramic inlet manifold gasket I have been told it does give you a bit more bhp by andy N20 but I don't have any proof of the gain. It comes in about £50 but its suppost to lower the heat transfer to the inlet manifold. Have a read up about it as you've sent so much on it now whats another £50 betwwen friends
Good point Dave, so when you gonna buy me one s:D :D s:D
On a serious note, I've read good things about them too. Jaworjawor made his own!
Quote from: "JoeCool"OK... is Meerrrk jinxed? My ECU is with Patrick as we speak. IT had better not rub off! I think that 2ZZ is Evil!!!
Quote from: "1979scotte"I think we can blame mark for all our woes.
My turbo went to pieces not long after meeting him for a drive.
Haha!
It has been said before; if I didn't have bad luck, I'd have no luck at all.
Tbh I've got bored of blaming tom and it can't possibly be my fault.
If it makes you feel better, I've got broad shoulders and thick skin s:) :) s:)
I knew you'd get it sorted early
See you at pembrey s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Meh it probably was my fault s:) :) s:)
Hey Meeerrk..
hows the car going? still enjoying..
ill try read through the thread later.. done much to it now?
Hey mate s:) :) s:)
Yeah I've made some progress, off the top of my head; rear roll hoop section, stripped some more out the interior, new seats, moved battery to the front, BC coilovers, ARBs, Wilwood brakes on the front, and I went for a 2zz engine. Although it spun a bearing on my way home from picking it up s:( :( s:(
Engine currently being rebuilt from ground up, and I am now very, very broke!
Glad to see you back mate ! s:D :D s:D
Some pretty horrific luck you've had there buddy - lovely to see a nice shiny engine build though. One thing to bare in mind with a head skim is the timing chain won't time up properly - what you take out you have to put back in with head gasket. Cosworth do 3 sizes of head gasket; thinner than stock, slightly thicker and substantially bigger. The exact sizes are listed on MWR's website.
Hope you don't have any more issues, and it all runs in nicely. Plenty of oil changes and a strong magnetic sump plug s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "doodlepugg"Some pretty horrific luck you've had there buddy - lovely to see a nice shiny engine build though. One thing to bare in mind with a head skim is the timing chain won't time up properly - what you take out you have to put back in with head gasket. Cosworth do 3 sizes of head gasket; thinner than stock, slightly thicker and substantially bigger. The exact sizes are listed on MWR's website.
Hope you don't have any more issues, and it all runs in nicely. Plenty of oil changes and a strong magnetic sump plug s;) ;) s;)
thanks for the info, I'm not sure if Patrick is aware but he watches this thread so he will see it. s:) :) s:)
Yeah, bad luck indeed!
How's the build going mark?.. be good to see this running.
Are you going to dong day?
We are waiting for the head to come back from its machining and rebuild, then Patrick can crack on with getting it together. If I have the car I may well come yes, I will need to get some miles on it to run it in and that is quite a nice drive out there for me.
With all this nice weather in really missing the opportunity to drive the mr2 about! Hope it stays for a bit longer once it's on the road again!
Good old Patrick went into work at the weekend to progress with the engine build, which was very good of him, he really is going out of his way to help where possible.
And it was worth it, the engine is now built and ready to mate up with the gearbox .... and then it's into the car which should happen within a week or two!
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s:D :D s:D Looking good mark
Looking good. just in time for the remainder of the summer s:) :) s:)
hopefully some funds left over for a few track outings as well.
Looking really good s:D :D s:D
Good job that it's back together Mark, that must be a relief!
My bottom end is built, but I had trouble getting a broken lift bolt out and have ended up buying a replacement head because I damaged the bore of the rocker shaft and I'm worried about an oil leak preventing lift... I think I can feel a bit of the same stress coming on that this project has given you as I've received a message saying I need to book my company car in for return... I can ignore it for a time but after a while they'll call me in, so the 2zz has got to be running before then as the MR2 will be my daily driver at that point!!
Quote from: "jonty"Good job that it's back together Mark, that must be a relief!
My bottom end is built, but I had trouble getting a broken lift bolt out and have ended up buying a replacement head because I damaged the bore of the rocker shaft and I'm worried about an oil leak preventing lift... I think I can feel a bit of the same stress coming on that this project has given you as I've received a message saying I need to book my company car in for return... I can ignore it for a time but after a while they'll call me in, so the 2zz has got to be running before then as the MR2 will be my daily driver at that point!!
Sounds like a real pain. It's never nice to have time pressures against you, makes problems even worse!
Good luck!
cheers mate, yeah the time pressure is what really gets the blood pressure rising!
fingers crossed that hopefully in not too long we'll both be up and running smoothly...
thats looking really good s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
You bought your 2zz yet Pete? Lol
Looking good mark mate glad to see its all coming together nicely you'll be blasting around a track on full lift in no time s:) :) s:)
cheers tommy
Looks good Mark! Let's hope it goes good too...!
Well....it's in s:D :D s:D hopefully be ready to have its first start up by the weekend !
Stellar work once again from Patrick!
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Awesome! Really hope it's trouble free for you this time mate, you deserve to be given a lucky break some time soon!!
Well played Patrick.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Well....it's in s:D :D s:D hopefully be ready to have its first start up by the weekend !
Stellar work once again from Patrick!
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Beautiful, nice 1 mark its looking sweet
cheers tommy
Patrick is running his normal business 9-5 and taking on these extra jobs for members of the various mr2 clubs. I don't know where he finds the time. But I'm glad he does as my car wouldn't be what it is today without him. That 2zz just looks so right in the roadster bay.
Quote from: "ayresyboy"Patrick is running his normal business 9-5 and taking on these extra jobs for members of the various mr2 clubs. I don't know where he finds the time. But I'm glad he does as my car wouldn't be what it is today without him. That 2zz just looks so right in the roadster bay.
I totally agree s:D :D s:D
Looking really nice s:D :D s:D
It lives! Patrick got it started up and driven last night s:D :D s:D
s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"It lives! Patrick got it started up and driven last night s:D :D s:D
That's amazing, it's alive unleash the beast s:D :D s:D
good news!
That's great news, evening drive at some point me thinks
That's be great although that said, I can't drive my car hard for a while due to the need to run it in s:) :) s:)
Anyway car is ready for pick up so hopefully this weekend. Patrick will put some more miles on it this week
Wahoo!!
Bet you are like a kid on Xmas eve now
So close
After all the disappointment so far I'm not that excited actually! More apprehension than excitement
You will get your rewards ten fold as you've worked so hard and had such a nightmare it should be satisfying as bath salts to a homeless person in the tub
I get frustrated when wrong parts or companies mess me around so you my friend have coped well considering s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Patrick had the car in the air checking it over for leaks etc, all good so far
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I liked the idea of the undersealing he did on Sandra's roadster so while it's still there, I asked him to do the same, good for longevity and much easier when it's up in the air, not on the garage floor at home!
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Looks much better s:D :D s:D
Nice one! Going to have mine done at some point might see if i can have it done with the rest of the paintwork in the winter.
It's well worth it. These cars aren't getting any younger!
It's on my to do list!
Job for the winter I think, just wish I had a ramp.
aii thats half the issue, it doesnt take long with the car in the air but on stands it will be a rigt ball to the ache.
It's coming along nicely buddy. Have you sorted out a lift getting to Patrick's? If not I could possibly help as there are a few things I want Patrick to look at!
Thanks for the offer, but I'm out all day on Saturday with my partner, so hoping to go from Southampton to Patrick's when we are finished, she can drive my car home and I'll drive the MR2
Long day yesterday but the MR2 is back home s:) :) s:)
I'm sure Patrick is glad to see the back of it ( and me!)
Drive home was fine, although a little loud s:D :D s:D
250miles down, 250 to go before the first oil change. I've got some Fuchs Titan Race Pro S 5w40 and a Bosch filter waiting!
Lots of steady driving to do....where shall I go!?
Also need to give it a good clean and take it for wheel alignment, it was never done after fitting the coilovers
Welll, what you doing the weekend starting 29th July?
Flying to Cork to sail a 50ft X-Yachts around Ireland for 10 days s;) ;) s;)
Sigh was going to invite you to the big swap weekend haha
Tom, if it's a weekend in July or august then Mark is on holiday. That's the easiest way to remember it! s;-) ;-) s;-)
Mark, great to see you are up and running again! :-) :-) :-)
Quote from: "StuC"Tom, if it's a weekend in July or august then Mark is on holiday. That's the easiest way to remember it! s;-) ;-) s;-)
Mark, great to see you are up and running again! :-) :-) :-)
What can I say, work decide to close and not pay us for the first half of August, might as well do something fun s:D :D s:D
Spent a quick hour on the car, gave it a quick wash, mopped the headlights and cleaned the inside (it's amazing how dusty they get sitting in a workshop)
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Have spent all day digging in the garden (not a euphemism !) so not had a chance to add any more miles yet!
Glad this has moved forward in my absence.
Hope you hear lift very soon
Good job mark, enjoy getting past those next 250 miles and opening it up!
Looks good, get some miles on it then lets see it driven in anger
I'm trying s:) :) s:)
Looks absolutely wonderful! As the Euro is good take a trip down to France, that will put some miles on it.
Managed to get 170miles on it now, so that's 300 in total already s:) :) s:)
I went out earlier today and played with my BC coilovers.
Fully soft is how I've been running them and they are quite comfy, to be fair quite reasonable.
Next I went to fully hard (32 clicks) - Wow! Rock solid, uncomfortable on normal roads but get it through a sweeping bend and it felt unbelievably planted and controlled!
I've now set them to half way and was as expected, a nice compromise but for road, I'll go back to fully soft.
The Wilwood brakes are hard to judge - I've already adjusted my foot to the feel and I do notice I'm only lightly pushing the pedal, plus I'm not anywhere near getting them hot due to the slow driving. However I did jump on them once to see how they felt and they pulled the car up pretty damn hard! So I'm sure with some heat in them and a heavy foot, they are going to feel great!
Did you feel the standard brakes were struggling on a normal stop? Or just that they faded over time? For me the stock brakes with Yellow Stuff pads had it on it's nose all day long at Bedford, definitely tyre grip limited not brake power limited... but I was just running 1zz on a stock car on road tyres, so maybe on stickier tyres and track focussed suspension the limit would be found?
The standard brakes with braided hoses, decent fresh fluid and good pads (yellow stuff and upwards) are very very good.
I did get them too hot once but only the once, that said i only managed two dry days last year!
So why did I buy them!? I needed new discs, pads and wanted to get refurb calipers - so the Wilwood kit was not much more money in total.
Time will tell if they feel better on track for prolonged sessions and with lots of heat but I can't see why not. The bite with a firm push is pretty impressive s:) :) s:)
And they look great s:D :D s:D
So 200 miles till first oil change, then how long after that till you can drive it harrrrrrddd? s:) :) s:) Get a few hundred miles on it this weekend! if you don't have the time, jack the rear up, shove it in 6th and leave a brick on the accelerator for a day, that will get you up to the magic mileage s:) :) s:) (probably not the best idea) and come along to Bedford on the 1st of august, that's got to be over 100miles from you so remember to add that to what you have left to do s:) :) s:)
I need to get to 500 miles, then I can change for fully synthetic - I've got some Titan Race Pro S ready to go in.
Currently at about 350, so maybe by the weekend at this rate.
Once I've changed to that fully synth I can run it a bit higher in the revs and dip it into the lift very briefly now and again.
Once I get to 1000 miles I can start to drive it with a bit more enthusiasm - although I'm in no rush to do that.
1st August I am away unfortunately
Do you need some to rack up some miles for you mark? I do about 200 a week if that helps? s;-) ;-) s;-)
You'd be sick of the noise, seats, harnesses and ride comfort after the first day! Just ask Patrick s:D :D s:D
Stick it on a rolling road overnight s;) ;) s;)
Good to this this up and running mate!
Hows the K&N working? The air feed coming from the standard location?
Yep it seems really good. The feed is coming from the original position, I might try direct into the side vent though
Good to seeing you enjoying it finally.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Time will tell if they feel better on track for prolonged sessions and with lots of heat but I can't see why not. The bite with a firm push is pretty impressive s:) :) s:)
And they look great s:D :D s:D
Cheers for the reply mate, good to know your thoughts!
Keep piling the miles on, I'm glad your stuck with it through the troubles and are emerging out the other side now!
I've got the 1zz and gearbox split so I'll take celica and mr2 boxes to Dave and exchange for a c64 hybrid, then I need to install ancillaries and get the 2zz back in the cat and it'll be mot time... Can't wait until my car looks as nice as yours, though there are quite a few more spanner hours before I reach that point!
Well that's a tank of fuel and 300 miles done. Getting through it quicker than I thought!
One thing I have noticed, I get a strange and slightly uncomfortable sound from the gearbox on over-run, deceleration... But not always. Seems to occur in any gear.
Anyone have any ideas what that might be?
Done a bit of googling and sounds like it might be diff, any thoughts?
Sounds like clutch release bearing.
Really? Will it fail, in your opinion or is it a noise I should just get used to?
If it's like a scraping/sandpaper-esque scrubbing noise, which only occurs on deceleration with clutch engaged, then I'd say most definitely. I had it on the Celica for around 3-4 years without any bother, when the ACT clutch went in & new release bearing, the noise disappeared.
Yes it is similar, the circumstances certainly correct. Noise is hard to describe. It's also difficult to gauge because my car has no sound deadening so noises are quite loud!
I had a new Exedy clutch when the engine was installed. I didn't notice this first time round, only since being taken apart and the engine rebuilt.
I'll see about getting a replacement bearing in there at some point.
Thanks for your input
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Yes it is similar, the circumstances certainly correct. Noise is hard to describe. It's also difficult to gauge because my car has no sound deadening so noises are quite loud!
I had a new Exedy clutch when the engine was installed. I didn't do it first time round only since being taken apart and the engine rebuilt.
I'll see about getting a replacement bearing in there at some point.
Thanks for your input
all looking really good mark mate glad to see the mile going on, it must be a great car to drive now,
also a sure sign your clutch release bearing is on its way out is a judder on the clutch pedal when engaging the clutch pulling away in first
cheers tommy
Thanks Tommy. I haven't really had a chance to try it out yet because I'm being really careful while running it in. Out of interest what regime did you use for your tuned 1zz rebuilt engine?
I don't know what gear oil was used when the box was done so I'm changing that with the engine oil once I've done this magic 500 miles! Ordered the Redline MT90 from Opie oils again.
310 down (plus the miles Patick did) s:D :D s:D getting there
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks Tommy. I haven't really had a chance to try it out yet because I'm being really careful while running it in. Out of interest what regime did you use for your tuned 1zz rebuilt engine?
I don't know what gear oil was used when the box was done so I'm changing that with the engine oil once I've done this magic 500 miles! Ordered the Redline MT90 from Opie oils again.
310 down (plus the miles Patick did) s:D :D s:D getting there
Hi Mark
We did in total about 1000 miles running it in
We did the first 500 miles on special running in oil (millers) then switch to redline 5/30 and still use that now
Started off for the first 250miles keeping below 3k but loading the engine using ¼ and ½ throttle on a/b roads not sitting on a motorways just gently driving it around
Then started to increase the revs to 4-4.5k still only ¼ - ½ throttle for the next 250miles
Once we had done this we swapped out the running in oil and continued to drive it around and slowly started to take the revs up to 5/6k occasionally, and using full throttle but only a few times for another 500miles and also did a bit of motor way driving but not much mainly b/a roads loading the engine on hills etc
As we got closer to the 1000miles we started taking it to the red line occasionally
Then after about 1500 mile we took it on the track and thrashed it and was fine never missed a beat since
hope this helps
cheers tommy
Quote from: "tommyzoom99"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks Tommy. I haven't really had a chance to try it out yet because I'm being really careful while running it in. Out of interest what regime did you use for your tuned 1zz rebuilt engine?
I don't know what gear oil was used when the box was done so I'm changing that with the engine oil once I've done this magic 500 miles! Ordered the Redline MT90 from Opie oils again.
310 down (plus the miles Patick did) s:D :D s:D getting there
Hi Mark
We did in total about 1000 miles running it in
We did the first 500 miles on special running in oil (millers) then switch to redline 5/30 and still use that now
Started off for the first 250miles keeping below 3k but loading the engine using ¼ and ½ throttle on a/b roads not sitting on a motorways just gently driving it around
Then started to increase the revs to 4-4.5k still only ¼ - ½ throttle for the next 250miles
Once we had done this we swapped out the running in oil and continued to drive it around and slowly started to take the revs up to 5/6k occasionally, and using full throttle but only a few times for another 500miles and also did a bit of motor way driving but not much mainly b/a roads loading the engine on hills etc
As we got closer to the 1000miles we started taking it to the red line occasionally
Then after about 1500 mile we took it on the track and thrashed it and was fine never missed a beat since
hope this helps
cheers tommy
Brill thanks. Similar to what jaworjawor has said, which means I'm doing all the right things! I'll be swapping my oil soon s:) :) s:)
I've had that lift off over-run grinding rattle on 2 cars - My Mk1 MR2 and an impreza. Both got absolutely thrashed, I did about 20K miles in the MR2 with that noise including 6 trackdays IIRC, and it didn't worsen and nothing failed. I put it down to 'character'.....
Thanks, makes me feel a little better but I'd rather know what caused it. Did you ever get to the bottom of it?
Mine was a collapsed bearing in the diff.... Mechanically sympathetic I ain't. I sold the car with a £50 spare gearbox, and the next owner reported thst swapping it out and putting a new clutch on it cured it.
The secret is to care less. If it was perfect, it would be an insult to God.
I suspect diff to be honest. I suspect something has happened when swapping it between boxes. FML!
I'd suspect diff as well. Was it all reshimmed to suit the tolerances in the new box? I didn't do this with mine and it whined ever so slightly on the overrun so suspected it was down to that.
I've always been told when you change the clutch to always use a Toyota release bearing!
Quote from: "Lee H"I'd suspect diff as well. Was it all reshimmed to suit the tolerances in the new box? I didn't do this with mine and it whined ever so slightly on the overrun so suspected it was down to that.
Who knows! From what I've been reading and what people have said, it sounds as if not....
I'm going to change the fluid in the box but I very much doubt that will help.
I'll have to get one of my fiends to look at it for me, he has a workshop near Uxbridge s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I'll have to get one of my fiends to look at it for me, he has a workshop near Uxbridge s:( :( s:(
You should take it back to the person who fitted the LSD in the gearbox.
Quote from: "Escy"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I'll have to get one of my fiends to look at it for me, he has a workshop near Uxbridge s:( :( s:(
You should take it back to the person who fitted the LSD in the gearbox.
Should yes, but It's just too much hassle for me to keep going all that way at great expense in both time and money to do so!
Let's hope this is the last issue for a while
Yes the diff was reshimmed and preload done lsd come out of a secondhand box supplied was not tested got dropped of lsd taking out and put in box and 6th swapped at same time no new bearings or parts were fitted .
Quote from: "headcase"Yes the diff was reshimmed and preload done lsd come out of a secondhand box supplied was not tested got dropped of lsd taking out and put in box and 6th swapped at same time no new bearings or parts were fitted .
I thought you were on holiday? I'm surprised you didn't notice the noise when you did those 130miles.
Any way, as I read between the lines, it's down to me, and as said I can't keep bringing the car back and forward at great personal expense in both time and money.
Quote from: "MrStev3"Let's hope this is the last issue for a while
It seems unlikely doesn't it
Just drive it until it breaks enjoy it
In other news, I'm over 350miles now - I should be at the point that I can change the oil out but I'm going to cover the 500 miles myself to ensure its done the required mileage. With my luck, and all that!
Quote from: "cabbydave"Just drive it until it breaks enjoy it
I'm going to have to!
Dont even talk about luck atm Mark im having a nightmare!
3 roadsters surely can't equal 3x the trouble
Had a nightmare with the trailer guy lieing to us.
Still havent got 1 out of the 2 rear brake hoses im changing due to one rupturing!
I am driving to kent at the end of the week need it sorting.
The way its going i will be putting the sable on the road and leaving the blue one too sit in the garage ha.
500 very careful miles done! Been enjoying driving the car for the sake of it, even with the horrible gearbox noise. And even though I can't Rev it yet.
So ready for an engine oil change, gearbox oil change change and start bringing the revs up, and , maybe, even bring it briefly into lift!
I've also 90% decided to join the Toyota sprint series in 2016 so I will need to get the car fully run in and tried and tested before March s:) :) s:)
The suspense is intense waiting for you to rack these miles up!!
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I've also 90% decided to join the Toyota sprint series in 2016 so I will need to get the car fully run in and tried and tested before March s:) :) s:)
Let's do EEEETT
Quote from: "Leethesparky"The suspense is intense waiting for you to rack these miles up!!
Yeah, think how I feel!!
I'll be changing the oils while I'm back from my travels and I can probably start having a little more fun s:) :) s:)
If your struggling for miles I need picking up from Arundel, West Sussex and taking back to London on the 14th s;) ;) s;) . Elise if getting fixed so no way of getting back yet haha!
Sorry no can do! At a wedding that day!
But thanks for the offer s:D :D s:D
Why are you taking it there, long way?
Everyone specialist has quoted 2.5K or there abouts to fix it. While this really reputable specialist who is used by lotus themselves has quoted £700. So cheaper to drive all the way down there than get it fixed in Guildford.
It's nice in arundel!.
Have a nice walk round whilst your there
Oh I see. Good plan.
Yep lovely area enjoy it if it's a nice day!
Back from my travels, I've change the oil for Fuchs Titan race pro s 5w40 fully synth and I also changed the gearbox oil for mt90.
The engine is much quieter with the Fuchs in it, I've always rated that stuff, even more so now.
The gearbox noise is still there although much quieter. Unfortunately there was a metallic sheen to the oil when I dropped it out, so something isn't right. I'll have to get it removed and looked at by someone. I still think it's the diff, because I can get it to make the noise in any gear, so that tells me it's something down stream of the gear...I don't know much about gearboxes though.
700 odd miles covered now....
I've taken it into lift a few times and thankfully it plays ball!
It gets pretty lively and the sound is quite addictive s:) :) s:) just want tot get to 1000 miles before I give it too much stick!
I hope the gearbox sticks together for you mate! Maybe get another lined up to go in as soon as possible if this one starts to lunch itself? I'm thinking of doing that with my 2zz engine as I'm not feeling too confident it'll stay together for me... s:? :? s:?
Tell me about it, but yes I will look out for another celica box, and also an mr2 box for the diff.
I need to get it started before I start sprinting in March next year s:) :) s:)
Lets hope the gearbox isn't serious! You cant have anymore trouble!
How much are you estimating the sprinting is going to cost compared to track days? I looking at doing sprinting in 2017, not Toyota sprint though s:( :( s:(
While your bedding it in and need to put some miles on, should grab some food and have a chat, would be good to have a chat about sprinting, and maybe some other people that already do it.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I need to get it started before I start sprinting in March next year s:) :) s:)
Team roadster s8) 8) s8)
We'll go halfs on a portable pit setup s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
shame about the gearbox mark s:( :( s:(
at least the engine is going strong now
cheers tommy
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Lets hope the gearbox isn't serious! You cant have anymore trouble!
How much are you estimating the sprinting is going to cost compared to track days? I looking at doing sprinting in 2017, not Toyota sprint though s:( :( s:(
While your bedding it in and need to put some miles on, should grab some food and have a chat, would be good to have a chat about sprinting, and maybe some other people that already do it.
That sounds good. We should set something up. What series are you looking at?
I haven't considered the costs, but actually it's probably no more expensive.
Quote from: "phaeton".
I'm intrigued s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "Jrichards20"Lets hope the gearbox isn't serious! You cant have anymore trouble!
How much are you estimating the sprinting is going to cost compared to track days? I looking at doing sprinting in 2017, not Toyota sprint though s:( :( s:(
While your bedding it in and need to put some miles on, should grab some food and have a chat, would be good to have a chat about sprinting, and maybe some other people that already do it.
That sounds good. We should set something up. What series are you looking at?
I haven't considered the costs, but actually it's probably no more expensive.
Looking at the Lotus Cup UK Speed Championship. But probably not next year, the year after. Think I need a few more driver training sessions before I start
That's what I'm hoping, look at the prices, it appears to be a similar cost. Apart from the few small upfront fees.
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "Jrichards20"Lets hope the gearbox isn't serious! You cant have anymore trouble!
How much are you estimating the sprinting is going to cost compared to track days? I looking at doing sprinting in 2017, not Toyota sprint though s:( :( s:(
While your bedding it in and need to put some miles on, should grab some food and have a chat, would be good to have a chat about sprinting, and maybe some other people that already do it.
That sounds good. We should set something up. What series are you looking at?
I haven't considered the costs, but actually it's probably no more expensive.
Looking at the Lotus Cup UK Speed Championship. But probably not next year, the year after. Think I need a few more driver training sessions before I start
That's what I'm hoping, look at the prices, it appears to be a similar cost. Apart from the few small upfront fees.
Sounds interesting. Are you going to dong day?
If you need a hand during winter to swap a box just shout mate
Yep I'm off to dong day! havent been to a meet on a while.
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Quote from: "shnazzle"MOD - Let's keep business between two parties exactly that. Thread pruned
Understood, thank you
Quote from: "rbuckingham"If you need a hand during winter to swap a box just shout mate
Thanks I'll bear it in mind s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "MrStev3"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I need to get it started before I start sprinting in March next year s:) :) s:)
Team roadster s8) 8) s8)
We'll go halfs on a portable pit setup s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
When will you know if your running the mr2 next year?
About 1000 miles now, taking it into lift more often, it's good fun....
Short video
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It's difficult to pick up the sound I might try the go pro in the case to try and dampen the road noise a little
Nothing there Mark that I can see, but you know what would go good with your car is a 6 speed MR2 LSD gearbox with 1-5 fitted from a Celica s:D :D s:D
sorry I was doing it from my phone and missed a couple of characters from the video string. fixed it now!
Sounds lovely!! You will have to take me out for a drive in it tomorrow!
As said the camera doesn't pick up the transition into lift very well I will try some different go pro cases. It sounds good yes s:D :D s:D
That sounds very nice Mark and very addictive. :-) :-) :-)
looks like fun, I'm contemplating how long I need to give it for the new main and BE bearings to bed in before I start giving it welly... I guess I should give 500 miles like a normal rebuilt, but it is tempting to just sack this off, do an oil change at 100 miles and then give it some stick...
Must. Remain. Calm.
Quote from: "jonty"looks like fun, I'm contemplating how long I need to give it for the new main and BE bearings to bed in before I start giving it welly... I guess I should give 500 miles like a normal rebuilt, but it is tempting to just sack this off, do an oil change at 100 miles and then give it some stick...
Must. Remain. Calm.
I've had to be very disciplined with mine, it's worth it for piece of mind. I didn't take mine into lift until I had done 600 miles and swapped the oil for fully syth. It's now done around 1000 in total and that video of 2nd, 3rd, 4th is the longest I've had it in lift by a long way.
Mine is a rather tired 107k engine (only 50k on the chassis) as I wanted to do a complete forged build, but have had to compromise and rebuild stock, so I think I am best off trying to stay calm and do the same as you...
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Sounds lovely!! You will have to take me out for a drive in it tomorrow!
ok, swap for yours s:) :) s:)
Sounds good mate, I would be careful putting up videos like that on YT though. Only takes the dailymail brigade to find something like that on a slow news day and next thing you know you have plod knocking on the door.
Depends if im coming in the elise or the Mr2 s:) :) s:) s:) :) s:) s:) :) s:) s:) :) s:) s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "jonty"Mine is a rather tired 107k engine (only 50k on the chassis) as I wanted to do a complete forged build, but have had to compromise and rebuild stock, so I think I am best off trying to stay calm and do the same as you...
It's a sensible thing to do. What oil did you put in it?
Quote from: "Paul1087"Sounds good mate, I would be careful putting up videos like that on YT though. Only takes the dailymail brigade to find something like that on a slow news day and next thing you know you have plod knocking on the door.
Oh.... Point taken ill sort it out. I've got another clip on a private bit of land at work so I'll use that. Cheers s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"It's a sensible thing to do. What oil did you put in it?
I didn't use a special running in oil, I just used a 5W-40 fully synth, and I ended up putting some Fuchs through it instead of the cheaper Gulf stuff I had intended to use due to a bout of absentmindedness whilst trying to do the conversion in the evening after a day at work and not enough sleep...
*EDIT* why is it auto correcting "a_bout" to "a about"?!
With Fuchs in it I bet it won't be bedding in at all! Super slippy stuff.
There is a lot of debate on what to do, run it in gently or give it stick. I had to be very careful with mine so if there were any problems I could go back to the engine builder knowing I've done everything I should.
Yeah in your position I think you're doing exactly the right thing.
For me it's just a new set of shells, nothing more... not really sure if I need to / should be doing anything different... I work for Nissan and we run 18,000 miles 1st service intervals on lots of our engines, so they don't get any special treatment, and as far as I'm aware the initial run in tests are only to be sure everything is in the right place, stuff doesn't fall off, and that performance is within the bounds... I think they get about 15 mins on the dyno each, so it's not as if they have been pre-broken in before going in the cars...
Get out an enjoy it then s:D :D s:D
Looked good in youtube buddy
Now I'm reporting The video as its offensive and dangerous to baby hedgehogs lol s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Epic thread,enjoyed reading it.
Next job for my Mr2 is a 2zz now I've sorted most of its issues.
Would you mind answering a few questions as Im going to attempt the job myself.
Obviously I need the engine but what else do I require from the donor Car?
Also is the gearbox a direct fit too?
I know about the dipstick tube and new manifold is required but does the rest of the exhaust fit?
I assume it does looking at your pictures.
Once again epic thread and maybe we will meet on a track day soon.
Quote from: "tubbytommy"Epic thread,enjoyed reading it.
Next job for my Mr2 is a 2zz now I've sorted most of its issues.
Would you mind answering a few questions as I'm going to attempt the job myself.
Obviously I need the engine but what else do I require from the donor Car?
Also is the gearbox a direct fit too?
I know about the dipstick tube and new manifold is required but does the rest of the exhaust fit?
I assume it does looking at your pictures.
Once again epic thread and maybe we will meet on a track day soon.
I can help with some of this:
From the Donor car you need:
- 2ZZ Engine, inc Ancillaries.
- 6 Speed gearbox (direct fit).
- Engine Wiring Loom.
- Intake gubbins to hack together an intake.
- You may want the 2ZZ exhaust manifold to make something custom from.
Additional bits you need:
- 6 Speed Shifter Shaft (check the performance sub forum for a cheap supplier for this) and Reverse block out block that fits to the Shifter shaft input. 6 speed shifter cage (gearstick) if your car is a 5 speed.
- Manifold to fit 2zz engine to Original MR2 rxahust at the downpipe (And accept a bit of performance loss here) Or ele a custom exhaust form manifold back.
- 2zz Celica Manual ECU with matching coded key transponder. To get past the immobiliser and to make it run the clocks properly, corolla ECU's don't do this.
- Modified gearbox side mount to fit the slightly different mount, otherwise the 1zz mounts work.
there are other bits of course for a 'proper' job.
You end up building a slightly hybrid engine, the 2zz block with 1zz tensioner arm, 1zz fuel rail with 2zz injectors, and some kind of intake using 2zz MAF sensor.
You can also build a hybrid LSD - take the limited slip diff out of the MR2 gearbox, fit the Donor crown wheel to it, and you have an LSD in the celica/corolla FInal drive, neither of which came with them.
The wiring is easy too, the loom fits and requires moving about 5 pins on the plugs IIRC.
Do a good bit of googling and you'll find out all you need.
After being in this today, mark has got a pretty perfect set up! The feeling of getting into liftis so much more powerful than I expected! Plus the wheels, smaller steering wheel and suspension make it bareable on the road, but with a wicked steering response and great grip! I'm aiming for a very similar set up, apart from the harness and seats in mine. So thanks for the inspiration s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "JoeCool"Quote from: "tubbytommy"Epic thread,enjoyed reading it.
Next job for my Mr2 is a 2zz now I've sorted most of its issues.
Would you mind answering a few questions as I'm going to attempt the job myself.
Obviously I need the engine but what else do I require from the donor Car?
Also is the gearbox a direct fit too?
I know about the dipstick tube and new manifold is required but does the rest of the exhaust fit?
I assume it does looking at your pictures.
Once again epic thread and maybe we will meet on a track day soon.
I can help with some of this:
From the Donor car you need:
- 2ZZ Engine, inc Ancillaries.
- 6 Speed gearbox (direct fit).
- Engine Wiring Loom.
- Intake gubbins to hack together an intake.
- You may want the 2ZZ exhaust manifold to make something custom from.
Additional bits you need:
- 6 Speed Shifter Shaft (check the performance sub forum for a cheap supplier for this) and Reverse block out block that fits to the Shifter shaft input. 6 speed shifter cage (gearstick) if your car is a 5 speed.
- Manifold to fit 2zz engine to Original MR2 rxahust at the downpipe (And accept a bit of performance loss here) Or ele a custom exhaust form manifold back.
- 2zz Celica Manual ECU with matching coded key transponder. To get past the immobiliser and to make it run the clocks properly, corolla ECU's don't do this.
- Modified gearbox side mount to fit the slightly different mount, otherwise the 1zz mounts work.
there are other bits of course for a 'proper' job.
You end up building a slightly hybrid engine, the 2zz block with 1zz tensioner arm, 1zz fuel rail with 2zz injectors, and some kind of intake using 2zz MAF sensor.
You can also build a hybrid LSD - take the limited slip diff out of the MR2 gearbox, fit the Donor crown wheel to it, and you have an LSD in the celica/corolla FInal drive, neither of which came with them.
The wiring is easy too, the loom fits and requires moving about 5 pins on the plugs IIRC.
Do a good bit of googling and you'll find out all you need.
What he said...basically!
To enhance it, I'd say lightened flywheel and also a baffled sump of some type as the 2zz is known to suffer oil starvation.
Also consider fitting the mr2 6th gear for longer journeys.
If you have a 6speed mr2 you won't need to buy a selector shaft or reverse block out as they can be used from your current gearbox.
These engines are funny about intakes so it's best to use a proper maf intake tube with the air vanes inside.
Quote from: "Jrichards20"After being in this today, mark has got a pretty perfect set up! The feeling of getting into liftis so much more powerful than I expected! Plus the wheels, smaller steering wheel and suspension make it bareable on the road, but with a wicked steering response and great grip! I'm aiming for a very similar set up, apart from the harness and seats in mine. So thanks for the inspiration s:) :) s:)
Thanks mate! It's certainly not the spec you are after but glad to help you with some decisions along the way s:) :) s:) hope you enjoyed the drive s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "JoeCool"From the Donor car you need:
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You end up building a slightly hybrid engine, the 2zz block with 1zz tensioner arm, 1zz fuel rail with 2zz injectors, and some kind of intake using 2zz MAF sensor.
Just for clarity, engine wiring loom from the donor car is only needed to provide the lift solenoid and pressure sensor wiring, you use the 1zz engine harness with these 3 wires added in.
Also with the ancillaries you use the 2zz tensioner arm (auto tensioner), but you carry across the PAS replacement pulley from 1zz since the roadster uses an electrohydraulic pump in the froot.
As some of you know I went along to Dong Day on Saturday, it was my first mr2 meet so good to put some faces to names.
To be honest it was the first time since all the bad luck etc I've had that I actually enjoyed driving the car, had a good drive there, enjoyed taking Josh and mannos out for a blast and a great drive home....pleased that the 350z was struggling to keep up too s:D :D s:D
Good to see your not thrashing that new engine
Nope not thrashing it. Been very careful with it as requested by Patrick, in fact I've done more than asked.
If it can't hold up to going into lift now and again then it's not been built correctly, right?
I am glad you you haven't and its working how new parts should be its when people abuse cars they will fail , Sandra engine is 4,000 miles now and that had quite a lot of lift in Europe lol .
It seems fine Patrick no leaking or anything untoward. It's got over 1000 mile on it plus however many you did.
s:) :) s:)
Had a mechanic take the car out last week and confirms the diff is the culprit, he thinks it hasn't been shimmed correctly. We will be removing the gearbox and having it stripped down once the car is off the road next month.
Was looking at the gearbox that is for sale on the forum but it's just a bit too pricey for me at the moment.
Ordered some upgraded engine mounts last week, hope to have them soon. (Front and rear mounts)
s:( :( s:(
My thoughts exactly mate, but I've got someone helping me.
MOD - slight rewording.
That box is ideal for you, make a cheeky offer. Think the box had a build thread on two brutal.
Quote from: "rbuckingham"That box is ideal for you, make a cheeky offer. Think the box had a build thread on two brutal.
I did! s:) :) s:)
I hope my box will be a cheap fix because it's actually the same, Mr2 LSD, Celica 1-5 and Mr2 6th.
it depends if any damage has been done I suppose. I know very little about gearboxes so it's hard for me to judge.
Obviously a straight replacement would be easier but it's terrible timing for me financially.
Sorry to here that mark buddy hope it can be fixed easily
cheers tommy
I fitted my speed source front and rear engine mounts today, nice and easy job.
Wow they are pretty solid, I haven't driven the car but when you fire it up the engine has a reassuring thud as it feels well connected to the chassis now. Probably not for an every day car but nice for a tracker s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I fitted my speed source front and rear engine mounts today, nice and easy job.
Wow they are pretty solid, I haven't driven the car but when you fire it up the engine has a reassuring thud as it feels well connected to the chassis now. Probably not for an every day car but nice for a tracker s:) :) s:)
Nice to know I should be looking for engine mounts as well, cheers Mark!
Hope you get your diff and gearbox sorted.
I would have thought your gearbox is like that because the bearings were on their last legs when the swop was done. Even if the preload was slightly out it wouldn't have got noisy so fast. Was it your box or a random secondhand one?
Gearbox is coming off the car this weekend and will be taken to a very reputable gearbox builder next week.
Information to follow s;) ;) s;)
Thanks to HFB I've finally got the midship front badge s:D :D s:D
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I've also ordered a smaller front numberplate
Much better!
I've ordered a black one for mine, when I called Toyota they advised me of a 7 day delay as no stock in the UK so Toyota are getting me one from Belgium.
The badge finishes off the front nicely!
I ordered a black one too, and they still haven't had it in stock so that must be why !
I've always wondered how many badges they have sitting around in warehouse waiting for us to order.
I've lost count the amount I've ordered over the years s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Man your paint looks so much better than mine...
Quote from: "jonty"Man your paint looks so much better than mine...
When I bought the car about 5 years ago I had the whole drivers side (due to a heavy scratch) bonnet, front bumper and passenger side wing ( due to chips and lacquer lifting) painted s;) ;) s;) so I'm cheating a bit
What he isn't telling you about iis the scratches he's done getting it out of the garage! s:) :) s:) and no, you can't blame the other half! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Jrichards20"What he isn't telling you about iis the scratches he's done getting it out of the garage! s:) :) s:) and no, you can't blame the other half! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Hahaha! s:D :D s:D
Yeah there maybe a couple of those! s;) ;) s;)
Ah OK, it does look very nice, but I don't feel so jealous if you had to get it repaired to look like that! Mine was never mint, but 2 years stored at a friend's place has left it even worse for wear... One day, I will make it nice again...
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks to HFB I've finally got the midship front badge s:D :D s:D
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I've also ordered a smaller front numberplate
It looks depressed after its operation haha
It's saying "get me back on track!!!"
I do like the blue especially buffed up it looks such a deep colour
It cleans up well, ignore Josh he likes to take sides with my girlfriend and pick on my parking skills s:D :D s:D
Race cars only need to be parked by the pit crew haha
Drive them and break them is your job haha
Couple of small jobs done today.
Toyota sprint series regs state you must have a yellow negative battery cable and the positive terminal needs to be covered.
So I got some heat shrink and some small terminal covers
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My steering Uj is really looking bad, I've got one in the post so hope to change that ASAP
Also fitted my new little front number plate
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I just taped my negative terminal up and it was fine and they do check it , was the first thing they checked.
Looks good
Your UJ looks in a lot better condition than mine s;) ;) s;) put up some pictures of how you changed it so I can copy please s:) :) s:)
Is that front number plate even legal? I've seen small number plates but that looks tiny! I would have thought a stick on one would have been better?
Need to polish those headlights next!!! s:) :) s:)
The only legal number plate is the original one, this is about half the size s;) ;) s;)
Yep will take some pics of UJ
Dripping it off for the gearbox inspection today s:( :( s:(
My fronts legal i cut it down from a stock plate with the regs in front of me. Have a look in my project thread if that helps at all.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Thanks to HFB I've finally got the midship front badge s:D :D s:D
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I've also ordered a smaller front numberplate
Nice!
What parts were required and what did you do to get that tow strap fitted?
HFB
Tow strap and correctly sized bolt.
Yep, a tow strap from JJC or similar, a nut and bolt, a drill and some basic hand tools. I couldn't find anywhere to bolt it so had to drill a hole, but it wasn't too bad.
Gearbox was removed from the car yesterday and is currently being inspected by a gearbox specialist. Fingers crossed for what he finds otherwise I'll be forced to buy a different box.
Also found my exhaust is blowing where a bracket has torn off, so that's another job / more money that needs doing s:( :( s:(
Bracket has torn off!? s:( :( s:( what exhaust did you put on there? Second hand or custom?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Gearbox was removed from the car yesterday and is currently being inspected by a gearbox specialist. Fingers crossed for what he finds otherwise I'll be forced to buy a different box.
Also found my exhaust is blowing where a bracket has torn off, so that's another job / more money that needs doing s:( :( s:(
It will still be worth it when you get back out there clipping the apex
It's a longlife rear box...
Oh the irony
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Yep, a tow strap from JJC or similar, a nut and bolt, a drill and some basic hand tools. I couldn't find anywhere to bolt it so had to drill a hole, but it wasn't too bad.
just another way to do it, we got a good quality rock climbers caribina(happened to have 1 lying around) hooked that through the original tow hole and the toe strap on to that.
I hope everything is going ok mark buddy and the gearbox is savable,
cheers tommy
Quote from: "tommyzoom99"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Yep, a tow strap from JJC or similar, a nut and bolt, a drill and some basic hand tools. I couldn't find anywhere to bolt it so had to drill a hole, but it wasn't too bad.
just another way to do it, we got a good quality rock climbers caribina(happened to have 1 lying around) hooked that through and the toe strap on to that.
I hope everything is going ok mark buddy and the gearbox is savable,
cheers tommy
Nice hint Tommy, i like that idea s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "tommyzoom99"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Yep, a tow strap from JJC or similar, a nut and bolt, a drill and some basic hand tools. I couldn't find anywhere to bolt it so had to drill a hole, but it wasn't too bad.
just another way to do it, we got a good quality rock climbers caribina(happened to have 1 lying around) hooked that through and the toe strap on to that.
I hope everything is going ok mark buddy and the gearbox is savable,
cheers tommy
Nice hint Tommy, i like that idea s:D :D s:D
cheers mate was more blind luck than anything s:D :D s:D , i updated my original post to say the caribina goes through the original tow hole too s:D :D s:D (just for clarity)
cheers tommy
No news on my gearbox yet was hoping to have the answer by now.
In the mean time I snapped up a deal from the forsale section and got a pair of unused rear AD08r in the correct size so I'll stick with them for another go before trying r888s
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I also got a steering knuckle so I'll be fitting that when the car is home
AD08R's are fantastic tyres, I use them all year round on the elise.
So far I have done 8 track days this year on them and they have hardly any sign of wear!
Update on gearbox mark?
Quote from: "Stifler"AD08R's are fantastic tyres, I use them all year round on the elise.
So far I have done 8 track days this year on them and they have hardly any sign of wear!
Mine have lasted well too, I'm pleased with them so far!
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Update on gearbox mark?
Kind of, it's all gone quiet for now!
They took the box apart and found some burrs on the pinion or diff, I'm not exactly sure because this was 3rd hand info from my mate who is dealing with it all for me via his garage business.
They checked the shimming etc and seemed happy enough so last I heard they were rebuilding it and should be back with my mate this week.
They have said those burrs could have caused a grinding kind of noise but can't be certain it won't make the noise when it's all back together.
I missed the chance to buy the box from Alan - the timing wasn't good for me at all, but I've secured a corolla 2zz box which I am getting next week, my plan is to get an mr2 diff (frustrating I had one!) and get a new gearbox built up ready to bolt on should the worst happen!
I think the not-so-longlife exhaust is off and being welded up too.
Unless your box was a corolla box then you will have to either buy or modify your gearchange shaft. Strange that all the work that was done on the gearbox was perfect and it made a noise? Must have been dodgy secondhand parts supplied to the builders. As for you bracket breaking off I would buy some new torque mounts for your car or don't rag the a... out of it or it will break again. Sorry to sound like I do but we have to deal with all sorts at work I once had a woman complaining her door trim pad was still marked from a cig burn after we had replaced the door. She thought the insurance paid for a complete new door and all the internals and trim, not just the accident damaged parts.
Quote from: "cabbydave"Unless your box was a corolla box then you will have to either buy or modify your gearchange shaft. Strange that all the work that was done on the gearbox was perfect and it made a noise? Must have been dodgy secondhand parts supplied to the builders. As for you bracket breaking off I would buy some new torque mounts for your car or don't rag the a... out of it or it will break again. Sorry to sound like I do but we have to deal with all sorts at work I once had a woman complaining her door trim pad was still marked from a cig burn after we had replaced the door. She thought the insurance paid for a complete new door and all the internals and trim, not just the accident damaged parts.
Yeah dodgy parts that I supplied to the builder, how did I know that was coming....
I'm not going to get into a argument but there isn't another answer. Unless that dodgy Patrick swopped you mint parts for some dodgy old secondhand rubbish and passed them off as yours. I don't think for one minute that happened do you?????
cheers dave but we leave it as it is mate , mark you know what i think in the txt i sent you . (Reason for edit you can help some people)
Awww look. We're all friends s:) :) s:) You guuuyyss... Welling up.
It looks like there's a proper end in sight to uour issue Mark. Good stuff
Sorry Patrick (head case) I didn't receive any texts from you.
Dave, I'm not having a go, I'm just getting a little fed up of every time there is a problem with the car the initial response is " you must have supplied dodgy parts" - as if there was NO WAY any human error occurred.
The fact is I bought an engine and gearbox solely on the opinion of a trusted mechanic, who said that they were good, and, well we all know how long the engine lasted and the gearbox also has its issues.
I'm past the point of pointing the finger, you may notice I haven't mentioned anything along those lines., and I'm not about to start either.
All I want is my car working, and after the time, effort, and money I've put in, can you really blame me for being disappointed and disheartened about it all?!
I can't blame you for feeling disheartened and I'm not getting involved in who did what or whatbparts were what but all that money you spent and the fact you had removed a strong 1zz even with high miles at least you got to drive it and have fun.
Not to mention you wanted the 2zz swap so much and there's nothing worse than excitement turning to dispare but fair play most people would of thrown in the towel but you will get your rewards matey.
You project was part inspiration onine when I joined here to build just a track car and I always looked to reference yours if stuck.
You'll get there and when done keep that passenger seat for me to go for a spin around whatever circuit we meet at
I appreciate the disheartening effct lots of effort and money spent and something goes wrong ... I've been there.
Remember you have a great handling car and wit a bit more effort it will get there.
This circular thinking and blaming isn't doing you any favours, sometimes we just have to cut out the cause of an issue and move on. You just end up winding yourself up again and it's never productive.
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"I appreciate the disheartening effct lots of effort and money spent and something goes wrong ... I've been there.
Remember you have a great handling car and wit a bit more effort it will get there.
This circular thinking and blaming isn't doing you any favours, sometimes we just have to cut out the cause of an issue and move on. You just end up winding yourself up again and it's never productive.
I completely agree, and got to that point months ago.
I just want my car to work s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "MrStev3"I can't blame you for feeling disheartened and I'm not getting involved in who did what or whatbparts were what but all that money you spent and the fact you had removed a strong 1zz even with high miles at least you got to drive it and have fun.
Not to mention you wanted the 2zz swap so much and there's nothing worse than excitement turning to dispare but fair play most people would of thrown in the towel but you will get your rewards matey.
You project was part inspiration onine when I joined here to build just a track car and I always looked to reference yours if stuck.
You'll get there and when done keep that passenger seat for me to go for a spin around whatever circuit we meet at
Cheers buddy, we'll chase each other round a circuit at some point soon!
I'll do my best to join you guys some time next year I hope, once I get another car sorted for everyday use and this MR2 can become the uncompromised weapon as it was always intended to be... Keep your chin up Mark!
Thanks Jonty, i enjoyed the mr2 day at Blyton park last year so hopefully we can do more of that next year and beyond.
Hopefully once the car is running again things will be ok. As said, my mate is dealing with it at the moment which is a big shift for me, he has his own workshop where he runs his garage business but I've always tried to keep our friendship as just that and never before asked him to work on my cars - I didn't want to be that mate that always calls because he needs his car fixed! But at times of such strife, I know I can unreservedly trust him so I've explained the situation and being the good friend that he is, is more than happy to help get the niggles fixed.
Like to think i will also be on track with you lot s;) ;) s;) ive some re learning to do with the turbo.
That sounds useful Mark, it's always helpful to have friends like that!
I'll be really keen to do an MR2 day if another can be hosted - the only trackday I've done in mine I was the only one, and even more surprisingly it was also the only trackday I've ever been on without a single MX-5... there were only 2 cars I could stick with, which was a bit tedious!
It'll be interesting to see how a the turbo cars go on track Tom - I did a cone dodging day with Nathan and D!ck, but there was no room for Nathan to stretch the cars legs so very hard to get an impression of it...
Il be there, in 4 months or so s;) ;) s;)
We should pencil a February/March one in the diary! MSVT 2016 calendar gets released end of October so I will keep my eye out s:) :) s:)
It was probably Dick's car as nathans hardly moved with the turbo kit on it sadly. rom our days on the short circuit at wigan. Id say as N/A i might even have an edge over him i seemed to catch him but ive made positive changes to the car since then but ssh dont tell him haha.
Quote from: "tomaky"It was probably ****'s car as nathans hardly moved with the turbo kit on it sadly. rom our days on the short circuit at wigan. Id say as N/A i might even have an edge over him i seemed to catch him but ive made positive changes to the car since then but ssh dont tell him haha.
It was quite a long time ago mate, prob 2013!
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Il be there, in 4 months or so s;) ;) s;)
We should pencil a February/March one in the diary! MSVT 2016 calendar gets released end of October so I will keep my eye out s:) :) s:)
I'll be up for Bedford in my 200sx provided my budget calcs are correct... I have 6 months paternity leave coming up and need to somehow not run out of funds before mid June!!
s:) :) s:) i will get him out this coming year id imagine s:) :) s:)
My gearbox is back together and ready to be refitted, and my exhaust welded up and also ready to be refitted.
Hopefully pick the car up this week and do a bit of driving to check it all out over the next week or so.
Also got a spare gearbox in my garage now so I'll be looking to get it rebuilt with an mr2 LSD over the next few months and have it as a spare, or fit it and have my current as a spare.
Good to see you are back on track Mark s;) ;) s;)
Got a message from my mate earlier, It's had another engine swap
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s:D :D s:D
ive just done things over this picture that I'm not proud of s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Now that's some nice mischiefin'! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Do it, do it, do it!
My little Mr2 is already to be picked up. Gearbox noise still present but exhaust welded up and the idler pully has been replaced because it was very "wobbly" apparently.
Anyways hoping to pick it up this weekend, and I'll book a track day ASAP
Sounds like I need to get that spare gearbox built up!
Oh no, I thought your mate was rebuilding it? s:( :( s:(
So your going to keep using the current gearbox on track while you get the next one built?
There is another posiblity, that it might not be the box.
Quote from: "tomaky"There is another posiblity, that it might not be the box.
I'm 99.9% certain it is.
Things like this make me laugh, so do you have some suggestions What else could it be?
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Oh no, I thought your mate was rebuilding it? s:( :( s:(
So your going to keep using the current gearbox on track while you get the next one built?
No he doesn't do gearbox rebuilds, he dropped it off the car and took it to a gearbox specialist who opened it up, checked it over and couldn't find anything obvious, other than some burrs which he cleaned up.
So as Tom says it could be something other than the box, but I don't see what else could logically cause that noise in the scenarios that it occurs....
Without hearing/feeling i cant suggest anything sadly. Pop up to Richs over the weekend s:) :) s:)
Does the noise only occur when the car is in gear and clutch engaged? Does it happen in all gears?
Yeah pop over love to see it. Just be careful as you might get roped in with the engine swap lol.
Sorry guys my car is not road legal and I am tied up all weekend anyway
Quote from: "CrazySX"Does the noise only occur when the car is in gear and clutch engaged? Does it happen in all gears?
On overrun only, in any gear, goes when clutch is pushed in.
Try and get a clip of the noise, I'm guessing its a whine. Just thinking how its the trust bearing? Its not technically part of the gearbox but it is that side of the clutch and it can make a noise. Also if it was gearbox I would expect it to carry on with road speed. Another question does the noise change depending on rev?
It's not a high pitched whine no, more of a grinding backlash kind of sound.
I'll try it again and double check on the road speed / clutch depress
Sounds like thrust bearing. They rattle on the input shaft if slightly warn.
Quote from: "rbuckingham"Sounds like thrust bearing. They rattle on the input shaft if slightly warn.
I assume it was a new one, but could be faulty? I don't know what to try next to be honest
Thrust bearing a cheap part, sadly it requires the gearbox off to replace. Always about if you ever want to borrow my ear.
Might be worth asking your mate if he checked it for play? It might rule it out for you.
Thanks I'll ask him tomorrow
What clutch kit was used?
I was going to say thrust bearing, but you would assume a new clutch went in. Worth checking though. Sounds like it is that.
Who is taking you to court Mark? And why?
Quote from: "CrazySX"I was going to say thrust bearing, but you would assume a new clutch went in. Worth checking though. Sounds like it is that.
Who is taking you to court Mark? And why?
Thing is I know Exedy list 2 clutch kits for the 2zz with different part numbers and the only difference is the thrust bearing (both slightly different) so maybe that's the issue?
Quote from: "vinp182"What clutch kit was used?
Exedy standard Celica 2zz. I used the reg of the car to buy it so I assumed it would be correct, I didn't know there were two sizes.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "vinp182"What clutch kit was used?
Exedy standard Celica 2zz. I used the reg of the car to buy it so I assumed it would be correct, I didn't know there were two sizes.
I did that when we did Gareth's swap but still ended up with the wrong trust bearing... We just assumed it had been packed wrong so used the original one but I found out about the 2 different ones a couple of days ago
Quote from: "vinp182"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "vinp182"What clutch kit was used?
Exedy standard Celica 2zz. I used the reg of the car to buy it so I assumed it would be correct, I didn't know there were two sizes.
I did that when we did Gareth's swap but still ended up with the wrong trust bearing... We just assumed it had been packed wrong so used the original one but I found out about the 2 different ones a couple of days ago
The plot thickens! Would the wrong one have fitted, I mean, would it be possible to fit the wrong one if you were in aware of the differences?
If the wrong one was fitted by accident, what would be the symptoms, do you think?
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Well that escalated quickly! s:D :D s:D
I picked up the car this evening s:D :D s:D nice fun drive home from Uxbridge, exhaust welded back up too!
Will be interested to hear about these thrust bearing sizes, if you got info Vinny?
Anyone up for a track day October or November?
The thrust bearing we got was too small to fit into the spline on the box so maybe yours was the other way around? There wasn't much in it so we thought it was a 1zz one that had been boxed wrong but turns out it was just the wrong 2zz one
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Anyone up for a track day October or November?
I'd be - sort of - from Feb and onwards. Brakes and suspension will be done by end of year.
2zz swap hopefully by end of April
Quote from: "vinp182"The thrust bearing we got was too small to fit into the spline on the box so maybe yours was the other way around? There wasn't much in it so we thought it was a 1zz one that had been boxed wrong but turns out it was just the wrong 2zz one
Thanks mate I appreciate your help. I'll check it out
Quote from: "manos3003"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Anyone up for a track day October or November?
I'd be - sort of - from Feb and onwards. Brakes and suspension will be done by end of year.
2zz swap hopefully by end of April
Ok I will bear it in mind, hoping to do something November time.
Thinking about Brandshatch Monday 9th November, "HFB" is attending, anyone else fancy it?
i just booked Llandow for Oct 17th. £95 for the day open pit.
its a pretty fun little circuit and suits the MR2 well.
only a few spaces left I think.
Arg! I would have been up for that but we are busy on the 17th! Damn it. Cheaper than brands too. Thanks for the heads up though Paul
I've just booked into the Brandshatch open-track event,9th November of anyone wants to join ?
I wish I could but I can't afford it
Neither can I s:D :D s:D
so your car is all good and working? I bet you cant wait to get it on track with all those new parts you bought, how long has it been now?
erm, well I certainly don't want to risk my gagging order... So let's just say "yes"?
On a serious note, it's got s noisy gearbox but it's a mystery as to why. Hopefully I can't hear it with a skid lid on s:D :D s:D
Last track outing was 13 October 2014, Cadwel Park in atrocious conditions (on track for about 30mins all day) - last reasonable day (half day) was 20th September 2014 at goodwood!
It's been a while
Think ive only been out once this year s:( :( s:( it will be out on the 28th, which will only be a small shake down at three sister. Hopefully get one in at oulton before the end of the year.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"erm, well I certainly don't want to risk my gagging order... So let's just say "yes"?
On a serious note, it's got s noisy gearbox but it's a mystery as to why. Hopefully I can't hear it with a skid lid on s:D :D s:D
Last track outing was 13 October 2014, Cadwel Park in atrocious conditions (on track for about 30mins all day) - last reasonable day (half day) was 20th September 2014 at goodwood!
It's been a while
Jesus I didn't realise it had been so long.
Money permitting I shall do brands on my birthday December but will have to see. hope you enjoy it and loads of pics needed
Who did you book brands with? Not on the Javelin List. I'm doing Snetterton 03/11/15.
It's a open track day.
They do free tuition, free photos, and free drinks and snacks all day so it's not bad value at £129
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"It's a open track day.
They do free tuition, free photos, and free drinks and snacks all day so it's not bad value at £129
now that is a bargain thought it would be way more expensive than oulton park but its cheaper and you get lots of extras, i would love to go just brands but is so far for me to go, i do need to go there 1 day such a great track
do you get to use the full circuit? as if i ever went i would want to use the full track
cheers tommy
I couldn't believe how cheap it was! No, that is just the indy circuit, usually the hole circuit is a lot more expensive.
The GP circuit is about £300 for a full day track day! It takes a lot more marshals etc to run the GP track, so it's understandable
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"The GP circuit is about £300 for a full day track day! It takes a lot more marshals etc to run the GP track, so it's understandable
suppose that makes more sense seeing as its much longer, makes oulton park not seem such a rip off now,
although im looking at a track day at oulton in November as the car has taken so long to get ready and its only 130 quid compared to the summer where its more like 250 quid s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
cheers tommy
One of my mates did the GP circuit on a bike track day and said the GP loop is awesome
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"One of my mates did the GP circuit on a bike track day and said the GP loop is awesome
yeah i bet it is, always looked like some great corners watching on tele, some very high speed stuff so i imagine its requires some ball to go fast round there
cheers tommy
So, hoping his doesn't start WW3.
Ever since the engine swap, my throttle pedal has been sticky...it seemed to be after the engine went into lift but it has got more common recently. Thankfully it is a sticking in the closed position, after coming off the throttle I would have to give the pedal a good hard jab to get it to move again which caused the car to "lurch" - not ideal!
Recently it seems to be more common so not knowing what caused it, I was worried it may start sticking open s:( :( s:(
After eliminating the cable, Tonight I removed the air intake and investigated. After much cleaning and lubricating it wasn't any better, then i noticed the little adjuster for the "home position".
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It seems the home position was sent just a little too low, causing the leaver to stick a little. 10 mins adjusting the screw (it's fiddly) without affecting the idle and it seems much improved. I lubed the lot up and hopeful it's cured s:) :) s:)
I used a piece of wood cut down to fully depress the throttle pedal and checked the butterfly was fully open, which it was
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However, my obd tool shows throttle position at only 76%
Is this an issue?
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Maybe it's lost its calibration?
Is that even a thing?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Is that even a thing?
It is a very unlikely thing. But I haven't seen absolute throttle position at these levels. You sure it was all the way to the floor?
Actually I have seen this before and myself have thought it as wrong and that car has full throttle issues so I am intrigued in this as to why
That's an odd one mark.
I guess we need to some more peeps trying it.
Excuse my ignorance but is the 2zz a different throttle body?
Quote from: "manos3003"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Is that even a thing?
It is a very unlikely thing. But I haven't seen absolute throttle position at these levels. You sure it was all the way to the floor?
It was fully open, I also held the throttle at fully open on the throttle body end, so it was against the stop.
I've just found this on spyderchat
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Which. Suggests fully closed tolerance is 6-16 % and fully open is 64 - 98% and the ECU calibrates to the min / max....according to those guys on spyderchat
Quote from: "StuC"That's an odd one mark.
I guess we need to some more peeps trying it.
Excuse my ignorance but is the 2zz a different throttle body?
Not a problem mate, it is different yes, and an opposite throttle position sensor, which is why the wires need swapping on the loom when doing the swap.
I also notice I've got 3 different fixings out of 4 so if I need to replace my throttle body that'll be interesting. Not sure why there are a mix of fixings.
Just lucky I guess. s;-) ;-) s;-)
It does seem odd that in the days of precision that a reader can have such variance in readings.
That seems a lot of variance to me though.
I also found this which suggests similar (http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/08/c83c1644fae335fa307521007ee71fba.jpg)
I've pmd a few 2zz people to see if they can check theirs
Mine reads 72.2% TPS at WOT. I didn't adjust the stops when fitting my engine, but I did make sure that it was full open when pedal was flat and they are perfectly sync'd. Interestingly, there is also a load parameter I could see that does register 100% when I'm at WOT, so it seems the ECU is happy with what is going on.
Jonty you are a star thanks very much for checking that for me.
Seems strange but it sounds like it is correct.
No problem mate, glad I could help ease your mind about this particular issue!
Taking my car for wheel alignment today, my temporary insurance runs out this weekend so I need to get it done.
I'd like to have it corner weighed but I don't have time to get it arranged before Brandshatch - there isn't any one local
Loads of camber s:D :D s:D
- 1.5 front
- 2.25 rear
Plan for the next few weeks,
- redirect air intake to the passenger side vent (where I originally wanted it)
- replace steering UJ
- remove passenger airbag
- bleed brakes before next track day
Since my MOT, my horn hasn't worked....very strange. Even stranger that it passed.
Anyway doing some investigation I found that there was a pinched wire between the steering boss and the spiral cable(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/10/ff32851a176dacfc3a7761444377875b.jpg)
By shorting out this would have caused random toots of the horn!
So I fixed that and yet still no horn....but I can hear the relay popping in and out as I press the button.
A quick climb under the car and I find someone has cut the horn cable to the actual horn !!
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Unbelievable.
Some MOT eh!!
So now I've got to take the front bumper off and fix it.
And for the same MOT, they said my airbag light was on, so here was their fix
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Yes they painted over the airbag light!
I tried to remove the paint but couldn't. So I had to buy a new cluster.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/10/dfab86306fbbbec2841fb8ade7adaa37.jpg)
In fact someone from here gave me one so I made a new cluster to keep my original mileage.
The airbag light isn't on, by the way! (Although it comes on and goes off to check as it should)
Took the passenger airbag out just now;
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Removed the trim
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Fitted light delete resistor
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Refitted dash trim and measured my weight saving....
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4kg saving for nothing, easy win s:D :D s:D
Mark, if you completely remove the SRS control module (behind the centre console) and the crash sensors behind the lights you'll save a bit more weight and won't have any problems with warning lights.
Sounds good ed thanks.
How far is your car from being ready to run?
Just did something a bit mad...
I've booked onto the Cadwell Park sprint day on Saturday 7th November!! Very nervous!
It's going to be a ridiculous weekend
- Friday, work all day, home, pick up trailer, load car and drive to Cadwell.
- Saturday Sprint
- Drive home Saturday night
- Sunday oil change, rest
- Monday Brandshatch track day
- Tuesday back to work for a rest s:D :D s:D
So it's make or break for me and the MR2 that weekend I think...if things go wrong that will probably be it for me and this car...
No blaming me for the pressure to come to sprint haha
You can send me the cheque in the post Steve s:D :D s:D you've made me do this s:D :D s:D
Where was the car MOT'd. Was this in your ownership or before?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"You can send me the cheque in the post Steve s:D :D s:D you've made me do this s:D :D s:D
You'll be paying me for making you do it after you get the rush of it
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