Right then, beat these prices:
Toyo Proxes T1S: 185/55/15 £47.00
205/50/15 £48.00
Toyo Proxes T1R: 185/55/15 £48.00
205/50/15 £49.00
These prices include VAT, & shipping is on a next day service if ordered before 3pm.
They are available from: Camskill Motor Sport (check out website)
Tel: 01946 518202 & speak to James or Scott (boss)
If 20 sets are ordered (i.e. 80 tyres) a discount can be arranged on this already very good price (speak to Scott) Make sure you mention that you are members of MR2ROC, if you want to go with the bulk buy. Also note that they will ship to individual addresses on the bulk buy.
Hope this info is of use.
I've just received my 4 T1R's - very nice. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Sorry - Tel No. should be 01946 518201
i found the site:
m http://www.camskill.co.uk/ (http://www.camskill.co.uk/) m
does anyone have ny experience with new R's?
Quote from: "spwolf"does anyone have any experience with new R's?
Yes! s:) :) s:) m http://www.mr2roc.org/forum/viewtopic.p ... 7&start=25 (http://www.mr2roc.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4467&start=25) m (post 28Sept at 2:15 pm)
Though not on an MR2 s:( :( s:(
As I say in the post above, seem grippy and predictable (in the dry at least, not tried them wet) but soft and therefore seem to wear fast.
Had mine on for 10 days now (T1R's) Seem to be fine. Hard pushed at present to tell any difference from my previously fitted T1S's. There again, the weather has been so c**p anyway.
Just had a puncture on the front passenger side and need a new tyre.
At the moment i have 195/45/16 all the way around.
I don't really want to put any old tyre on it so was thinking of getting 2 new toyo proxes (205/45/16) for the back and then put toyos on the front after christmas.
Will this get me close to the stock rolling radius?
wheel is 16 x 6.5
205/45/16 is pretty close to 205/50/15 your stock radius. I'd be happy with it.
I wouldn't mix those tyre brands though, especially with how cheap proxies are.
Cheers mark!
The garage that is supplying said it's ok to mix in pairs but not indvidual. However, a full set is better. The other 3 have lots of tread on them so i will keep them for a little longer.
The tyres are the T1S. Have the T1Rs replaced them or just been added to the range?
Can you mix the T1S with the T1R?
I don't really want to buy the t1s now to find i can't replace them at a later date!
Quote from: "Viggs"The tyres are the T1S. Have the T1Rs replaced them or just been added to the range?
AFAIK, T1-R will replace T1-S, but I'm sure you can get both for a while.
Thanks Tem, Your correct!
Just been told the T1-R is replacing the T1-S. I've just cancelled the order for T1-S and gone with the T1-R.
Quote from: "Viggs"Cheers mark!
The garage that is supplying said it's ok to mix in pairs but not indvidual. However, a full set is better. The other 3 have lots of tread on them so i will keep them for a little longer.
The tyres are the T1S. Have the T1Rs replaced them or just been added to the range?
Can you mix the T1S with the T1R?
I don't really want to buy the t1s now to find i can't replace them at a later date!
does the guy at your garage drive a 2? or any mid enfgine performance car for that matter?
seriously, on most run of teh mill cars I'd agree with him. On this one, I'd say it's a serious no no, and can verge on teh dangerous.
I wouldn't have gone 195 all round, but at least with teh same tyre model it's predictable.
mix models/brands and it is going to bite you.
Long time reader, first time poster....
I am having real problems finding options for the 2003 model...
I appear to have a choice of Yoko or Brdgestone and that is it for the 215/45/16 replacements that I need after months of roundabout hunting s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "jhicks7474"Long time reader, first time poster....
I am having real problems finding options for the 2003 model...
I appear to have a choice of Yoko or Brdgestone and that is it for the 215/45/16 replacements that I need after months of roundabout hunting s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Covered in many threads elsewhere s;) ;) s;) But - most people switch sizes to 205/50R16 for the rear on the 2003 it seems - Toyo T1-S and T1-R are both available in that size. (Or you could go for 225/45R16 - either will fit the 6.5" rear rim, 205/50 probably retains a closer to stock handling characteristic however)
2003 rear rim is 16"x7 (not 6.5) best fit from teh toyo range is 225/40/16
wouldn't 225's be too wide for the rear, upsetting the balance a little?
Is there any reason not to use 225/45/16 on the rear?
well if you have teh 16" rears your stock tyre sizes are
185/55/15 front
215/45/16 rear
so if you use 225/40/16 on the rear, use 195/50/15 on teh front to retain the 30mm split.
simple.
225 is the largest you really want on a 7" rim, but many are using it as above quite happily
Actually 03+ models have 185/55 at front,,,
I personally am getting new S03's soon with 195/55 at front and 225/45 at back to keep upcoming PE turbo behaving nicely :-) :-) :-)
your right, twas a typo, I've edited it.
Quote from: "spwolf"Actually 03+ models have 185/55 at front,,,
I personally am getting new S03's soon with 195/55 at front and 225/45 at back to keep upcoming PE turbo behaving nicely :-) :-) :-)
Wouldn't you be better with 195/50x15 and 225/40x16, to keep the rolling radius closer to stock?
Just ordered a new set from these guys. Very helpful, they took the order over the phone and called me back a few minutes later when my card rejected (wrong address, it has not moved with me yet!). Mentioned membership here as I had forgotten first time and got a bit of a discount as well!
Great service and brilliant price. Totally recomend them.
Simon
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"Just ordered a new set from these guys. Very helpful, they took the order over the phone and called me back a few minutes later when my card rejected (wrong address, it has not moved with me yet!). Mentioned membership here as I had forgotten first time and got a bit of a discount as well!
Great service and brilliant price. Totally recomend them.
Simon
Sorry Simon, is it Camskill you are referring to? I'm going to need some soon s:( :( s:(
On a side note - the T1-Rs are nice and light (as the bloke fitted commented on) and compared to the stock Yoko's the car feels so much faster when accelerating s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Bongo"On a side note - the T1-Rs are nice and light (as the bloke fitted commented on) and compared to the stock Yoko's the car feels so much faster when accelerating s:D :D s:D
dry, wet, noise?
They're not scrubbed in yet so can't really tell on performance.
No noisier than stock yoko's... maybe a little quieter, have to take a drive later to find out s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Slacey"Quote from: "SimonC_Here"Just ordered a new set from these guys. Very helpful, they took the order over the phone and called me back a few minutes later when my card rejected (wrong address, it has not moved with me yet!). Mentioned membership here as I had forgotten first time and got a bit of a discount as well!
Great service and brilliant price. Totally recomend them.
Simon
Sorry Simon, is it Camskill you are referring to? I'm going to need some soon s:( :( s:(
Yep, Camskill, just recieved the bill in the post, pitty it is addressed to Mrs Simon Pritchley!
Oh well! s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Wil that be the new turbo melting your tyres then?
Simon
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"Wil that be the new turbo melting your tyres then?
Simon
No, not yet s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
My current set of T1-S are starting to look a little low after the burst of long motorway runs I've been doin lately, which is a rather more boring reason!
folks, will 215/55/R16's fit on the back of a lowered 2??
possibly but I'd recomed 225/40 in preference
I checked out Mytyres and they don't seem to have the T1S in
225/40/16 for my rear wheels.
I know that they should have them as I bought some a year ago along with 2 fronts 195/50/15 for £170 all in.
Puggman
T1S have been replaced with T1R by Toyo, so that's probably why there's none listed.
try this
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.php?plid=m4b0s318p0
cheers for the advice as well Mark
Yes, but Mytyres don't even list the T1R and I could get all 4 tyres from Mytyres for £170 including delivery, much cheaper that Camskill.
Thanks for the tip anyway.
Puggman
I just ordered 4 T1Rs from Camskills as my original Bridgestones are now past their best.
In addition to a small MR2-ROC discount (which you should mention when ordering) if you quote a business address for delivery, they'll knock another £10 off the total.
Robbie
Quote from: "Robbie"I just ordered 4 T1Rs from Camskills as my original Bridgestones are now past their best.
In addition to a small MR2-ROC discount (which you should mention when ordering) if you quote a business address for delivery, they'll knock another £10 off the total.
Robbie
How much is the ROC discount ? Do you have a grand total for the 4 tyres ?
Also, where are you getting the tyres fitted. I also stay in your area and would be interested to know where you get the tyres fitted and at what cost.
cheers,
Gordon
I make the club discount fairly minimal at around 2%....but every little helps. The overall cost of 4 (stock size) tyres, (mine's an 02 model) including the club and the £10 business address delivery discount, is £184.
I'm planning to get the tyres fitted by my local Toyota dealer when they (hopefully) replace my alloys under warranty.
Cheers
Robbie
I had problems finding a business account to deliver to, so I bought some T1-Rs direct from KB Tyres near Ware, Herts. Price including fitting £211.50
My clonking on the front when reversing seems to have stopped and they feel better than my Yokos on the recent greasy surfaces.
Quote from: "Robbie"I make the club discount fairly minimal at around 2%....but every little helps. The overall cost of 4 (stock size) tyres, (mine's an 02 model) including the club and the £10 business address delivery discount, is £184.
I'm planning to get the tyres fitted by my local Toyota dealer when they (hopefully) replace my alloys under warranty.
Cheers
Robbie
I agree that any discount is better than no discount.
I also waited and asked Western Toyota to replace my tyres when they replaced my wheels over a year ago. Just take the wheels along with you.
cheers,
Gordon
PS They even disposed of the old tyres at no charge..... which was nice !
Having just looked at the tread level of my rears, I've ordered a full set for delivery tomorrow.
I've been thinking about replacing my tyres due to my upcoming 'ring trip, and have read with interest all the posts/opinions on brands/sizes.
On checking the prices, then I think i'm also gonna go with Toyo T1-R's, but in 185/55/15 standard for the front and 205/45/16 rear (rather than the more quoted on here 195/50-225/40).
My reasons for this are as follows:
1) 205/45 is only -1.5% out, where as 225/40's are -2.25% out
2) 205's are lighter and cheaper than 225's
For the fronts, then seeing as there are direct replacments for the oem size, it will be best to stick with them, especially as they are lighter than the 195's, but unfortunately slightly more expensive.
The only niggle is that it reduces the front/rear split to 20mm rather than the stock 30mm - does anyone have any views on whether this will matter hugely?
Personally I am going for 195/50 15 and 225/40 16, which I think is a better option than making the rears 10mm narrower than standard, as you are thinking of.
I am having the rears fitted today, as they are way too bald for my liking, especially with the current snow, but I have to wait a couple of weeks for the fronts to arrive - might be interesting handling with a RE040/T1R combination! I am going to be very careful.
Andy
Rears fitted without damage to the car - told them the correct jacking points.
Nice and sideways out of the tyre fitters! - they really are pretty slippery when new s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: Had to do a couple of gentle burnouts to get rid of the release agent.
ok, so we're saying that maintaining the front/rear split is more important than keeping the original profile and a close rolling radius %? Assuming that the extra 10mm width at the front helps kill some understeer (by providing more grip?) then the same would be true of the extra 10mm width at the back...
Has anyone tried 185/50 front with 225/40 rears? this would give a 40mm front/rear split though..
but then you'd just increase understeer?
personally I'd not have a proble reducing teh split to 20mm if I had too, but since you don't have to whay would you?
Quotebut then you'd just increase understeer?
you mean by virtue of having more grip at the back, therefore producing more inequality between front + rear i take it...
Quotesince you don't have to whay would you?
the only reason would be to maintain the oem tyre size..
it's so close I'd not worry
I ordered 195/50/R15 for the front and 225/40/R16 for the rears from Camskill. They delivered the correct fronts, but the rears were 225/45/R16. I have spoken to them and they say that they are supplying these sizes to MR2 owners. Is anyone else running this combination and is it O.K. s:?: :?: s:?: s:? :? s:?
no it's not the rigth size
225/40/16 is what you need
Has anyone else ordeed 225/40/R16 from Camskill and got that size in the T1-R. They were more or less saying that Toyo didn't make that size, even though the T1-S's that I am replacing are that size!! s:? :? s:?
m http://www.toyo.co.uk/index.php?fuseaction=car.t1-s (http://www.toyo.co.uk/index.php?fuseaction=car.t1-s) m
they are listed as available
Mark, Why are the 45's the wrong size s:?: :?: s:?:
m http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html (http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html) m
rolling radius
on the front you've gone up from 185 to 195 so to compensate teh rolling radius upid ecreased profile from 55 to 50
in order to the same at the rear
stock is 215/45 since you can't get 215 you have to go 225, so in order to keep the rolling radius matching you need to decrease teh profile from 45 to 40.
Have a play with teh link above.
however teh simple answer is a 45 will decrease acceleration and increase top speed. Wil you notice? possibly not. If I couldn't get a 225/40 would I be happt with a 225/45 possibly. however if you can do things properly you may as well.
225/40 is 2.3% too fast, so you're going 1.2mph slower than indicated at 60mph, where as 225/40 is 1.5 too slow, so you're going 0.1mph faster than indicated.
The ones they have sent are actually a close match in terms of percentage and lead to a smaller difference in reading, but tellingly in this speed camera infested age, it's a difference on the 'wrong' side... whether either you or a camera could detect a 0.9mph difference in spped is another matter, as I susepct that the speedos have a 1-2% margin orf error in them anyway!!
I've just found out that camskill sell motul 600 fluid as well, so i'll be getting 4 new tyres and 2 bottles of this from them shortly.
eanlow - How long did the order take to arrive?
What is the weight of Toyo T1-R's ?
The T1-S's were nice and light (i.e. even slightly lighter than the stock Bridgestone 040's, which weighed 17 pounds-185/55/15-front and 21 pounds-215/45/16 rear):
195/95/15 - 16.1 pounds
225/50/15 - 20.3 pounds
This link doesn't provide tire weights.
http://www.toyo.co.uk/index.php?fuseaction=car.t1-s
I'm going to get 10.5 pound 7"x15" wheels (all around) ... and I don't care much about rolling radii - just performance.
Can anyone say, definitively, how the dry grip compares between T1-R, T1-S, S03 and BFG KD. I know that the BFG KD has the best dry grip, short of an R compound track tire; I'm just wondering how far behind the KD are the S03, T1-R and T1-S.
thanks,
Tem posted a link somewhere with a link to a chart with all the weights...
edit: in another thread in performance titled Toyo Proxes T1-R
m http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_specsheet.cfm?id=2 (http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_specsheet.cfm?id=2) m
Quote from: "Chris"Tem posted a link somewhere with a link to a chart with all the weights...
edit: in another thread in performance titled Toyo Proxes T1-R
m http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_specsheet.cfm?id=2 (http://www.toyo.com/tires/tire_specsheet.cfm?id=2) m
I couldn't find anything on Toyo T1-R weight via SEARCH ... but the "Performance Comparison" link - at the following Toyo/Japan link provided much insight ... into differences between the T1-S and T1-R ...
http://www.toyojapan.com/new_tires/p_uhp.html
Basically, Toyo claims improved dry handling, longer tread life (due to more silica impregnated in the compound) and less road noise, when they wear down (a common complaint).
true, having looked again, that link only provides t1-s weights s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I'm gonna send Toyo an email to see if they have any opinion on which size would be best...
Quote from: "Chris"true, having looked again, that link only provides t1-s weights s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I'm gonna send Toyo an email to see if they have any opinion on which size would be best...
Thanks, Chris ... but, actually, my question(s) are not at all about size (I can figure that out for myself).
What I can't seem to find out is:
What do the tires
weigh? (must vary by size; so, they need to include it in their spec charts)
BF Goodrich is fond of not including tire weights, too (does that mean they weigh a ton? s:) :) s:) )
Of course, these weight questions are more than "Trivial Pursuit" for our (relatively) low-torque & power MR2's. I've seen evidence to the effect that the lighter tire/wheel combinations lower "Poor Man's Dyno" (and 1/4 mile) times in the range of 0.4 - 0.5 seconds!
The old Toyo T1-S tires were some 3 - 4 pounds lighter than most competitors, except the stock Bridgestone 040's. Apparently, spinning/accelerating that extra unsprung weight matters a whole lot more than taking 3 - 4 pounds out of the car, elsewhere.
It's too bad that there aren't tire comparison tests, like there used to be. It's nearly impossible to get reliable answers to questions like:
How much better (in dry grip ... or other measurements) is a BFG KD vs Toyo T1-R, Bridgestone S03 etc. ?
think i'll just go on a diet s;) ;) s;)
Chris, order was placed Thursday and tyres arrived the following Tuesday.
If anyone wants to know the weight of the 225/45/16's I still have those here at work and can weigh them.
I've just ordered some T1R's and can reconfirm that Camskill will offer a discount if delivered to a business address/mr2roc members.
However that doesn't help me too much as I've ordered 'em just before I'm off work for a few days s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
They seem a good bunch, and even called me up to ask what car I drove, and did I know I could have a discount. Proactive like that is cool in my books.
Quote from: "phil4"Camskill will offer a discount if delivered to a business address....
s8) 8) s8) Must've missed that nugget before! Mind you, has anyone tried getting 4 tyres plus 1 driver in? I bet it's hard... I could empty the front bit to see if one fits, and then just pile the others on the passenger seat..
Mike - I realise you wanted weights, and that link does has t1-s weights on there - our sizes are around 18-19lbs. I would imagine that the R is not that muh different...
I got 4 + me in the cabin, it was quite a squeeze mind.
Subjectively the car seemed to accelerate much quicker when I changed from the stock Yoko's to the T1-R.
Well, it's done! Service booked in for next thusday, with 2x185/55/15s & 2x205/45/16s going to the garage straight from Toyo with 2xMotul fluid coming to me, with the mr2 discount!
If the worst comes to the worst, then I can change to rears and keep the others for track days... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Chris"that link does has t1-s weights on there - our sizes are around 18-19lbs. I would imagine that the R is not that much different...
ok, thanks ... ` makes sense, if the T1-R is just an improved T1-S.
How much discount do Camskill give members?
Quote from: "Two's Company"How much discount do Camskill give members?
See posts 7/8 Feb 05 on this thread.
Quote from: "Chris"Well, it's done! Service booked in for next thusday, with 2x185/55/15s & 2x205/45/16s going to the garage straight from Toyo with 2xMotul fluid coming to me, with the mr2 discount!
If the worst comes to the worst, then I can change to rears and keep the others for track days... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
What grade / type of Motul oil do you recommend ?
Puggman
Using the info from previous threads, i'll be getting my brake fluid replaced with Motul 600 race spec stuff, as I intend to do a few track days this year... Not touched the oil as yet, as thats a whole other ball game s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Has anyone mixed the T1-S & R's? I have two T1-S's fitted to the front and will soon be replacing the rear RE040's and was going to stick with Toyo.
Should i put the same T1-S on the rear to keep the tyres the same all round or would the improved T1-R be better ?
The car is a W plate 2000, so has the 15" wheels.
Quote from: "leon_judge"Has anyone mixed the T1-S & R's? I have two T1-S's fitted to the front and will soon be replacing the rear RE040's and was going to stick with Toyo.
Should i put the same T1-S on the rear to keep the tyres the same all round or would the improved T1-R be better ?
The car is a W plate 2000, so has the 15" wheels.
I'm sure T1-S+T1-R combo would be better than a T1-S+RE040 combo s;) ;) s;)
In general you shouldn't mix, but if you've been happy with your current mixup, then you might be happy with a mixup of two tyres close to each others. I suppose you don't really push the car that much then?
Dont get me wrong, im not happy with the T1/RE040 combo, ive just been wearing the RE040's down a bit more before replacing them. However, the car certainly handles better with the combo than it did with RE040's all round.
Think i will go with the T1-S on the rear when i replace them then, at least it keeps it consistent.
Thanks
Well I am now the owner of standard size replacement alloys (replaced under warranty earlier this month)...plus a new set of Toyo Proxes T1R.
I have to say I am completely disllusioned with them...right from the moment I overshot the white line at a set of traffic lights on the drive home from the garage. (I know this is probably my fault as I forgot about scrubbing in.)
They are now scrubbed in (500 miles) but to be honest, they don't match up to my Bridgestone RE040s. Since driving on the Toyos the car doesn't stop nearly as well; is more susceptible to cross-winds; the car veers to the left as I change up through the gears; it literally "bounces" slowly round corners and it generally wanders over the road when driving at motorway speeds. With the Bridgestones on my car exhibited none of these vices. It always behaved impeccably; late-breaking was effortless and it felt as if it was on rails going round corners.
Admittedly, the Toyos are quieter and don't tramline nearly as much as the Bridgestones, but I'd happily swap them back if it gave me my sure-footed, fun car back.
I've experimented with different tyre pressures, and to be honest this is still ongoing, but I'm hopeful that someone will post some "magic pressure figs" for me to save me a lot of grief.
I really am despondent...it's like driving a different car.
Thanks in anticipation
Robbie
add anything between 2 and 4psi over stock pressures.
That's sounds completely different to the way my car is behaving with those tyres. Did you have the tyres put on to the new alloys by a Toyota dealer? I'm just wondering whether they did a decent job on the balancing?
Michael, yes, my Toyota dealer swapped the tyres when they put on the new alloys. There's no juddering through the steering wheel etc that you would normally associate with wheel balance problems....just very annoying, unstable handling. Are you running on stock pressures?
Meantime i'll try Markii's tip of increasing psi to around 28/34 and see how it goes. I've been higher than this and much lower with no discernable improvement.
Robbie
did they fit the right tyres to teh right wheels?
I hads new tyres put on when I had my alloys changed by MrT
they put the wheels on back to front and it caused a similar sensation.
thanks for the tip Markiii...I'll check this evening.
Robbie
Robbie,
I seem to remember that when I had the T1 S tyres put on they had to be fitted so that the tread pattern was in the correct direction (V forward). I don't know if this is true with the T1R's maybe someone who has them could advise, as this would make a considerable difference to handling.
Iain.
Quote from: "Robbie"Are you running on stock pressures?
The tyre fitter noticed that my old Yokos had worn more on the outside and inside presumably from low pressures so he suggested running my Toyos on 30 - which they are now I think. I'll check later.
Quote from: "eanlow"Robbie,
I seem to remember that when I had the T1 S tyres put on they had to be fitted so that the tread pattern was in the correct direction (V forward). I don't know if this is true with the T1R's maybe someone who has them could advise, as this would make a considerable difference to handling.
Iain.
The T1-Rs are directional, yes. 'V's forward (although "right" and "left" are written on the sides of the tyres too!)
Robbie:
Your experience is interesting ... and I'd like to explore solutions, if you'd bear with some questions in that pursuit?
Quote from: "Robbie"Well I am now the owner of standard size replacement alloys (replaced under warranty earlier this month)...plus a new set of Toyo Proxes T1R.
Why? ... were the previous wheels damaged - to the point of replacement?
Was there any occasion for your car to be severely out of allignment ? ... e.g. damage to the whole car?
Are you saying that you have aftermarket replacement wheels?
Would you specify the brand and size, since MR2 "standard size" varies by year i.e. pre or post 2003?
Exactly what size tires are you now running?
Quote from: "Robbie"... is more susceptible to cross-winds; the car veers to the left as I change up through the gears; it literally "bounces" slowly round corners and it generally wanders over the road when driving at motorway speeds.
These characteristics are usually due to over-inflation. I'd
start by trying
lower pressures. Due to its light weight (and precious-little weight on the front) our MR2's are
very affected by tire pressures. Specifically, they get very 'bouncy' and erratic (touchy in straight line tracking) when the front tires are over-inflated. Think of less footprint, when you're up on your toes! s:) :) s:) The stock 26 psi
front is
particularly finnicky in this regard.
I asked for tire sizes, because, if you're running larger tires than stock, their load-bearing capacity may come off as the 'bouncy' feeling, that you noticed, if they are over-inflated for the weight that they're carrying. So, if your new tires are larger than stock, you may need to use
less pressure than the stock 26 psi, especially on the front.
no way on this planet do you want less pressure in proxies on the front than standard,
Markiii Wrote:Quotedid they fit the right tyres to the right wheels?
yes...checked and big ones on the back wee ones to the front.
eanlow wrote:QuoteI seem to remember that when I had the T1 S tyres put on they had to be fitted so that the tread pattern was in the correct direction (V forward).
checked out ok..v's all facing forwards...as are the rotation indicators on the tyre walls.
MikeCoughlin Wrote:QuoteWhy? ... were the previous wheels damaged - to the point of replacement?
Was there any occasion for your car to be severely out of allignment ? ... e.g. damage to the whole car?
wheels replaced due to cosmetic bubbling only....car has never been in an accident...never even brushed a kerb....(came close a few times though on wet Edinburgh cobbled streets) The car drove perfectly until wheels/tyres replaced by Mr T.
Quoteare you saying that you have aftermarket replacement wheels?
Would you specify the brand and size, since MR2 "standard size" varies by year i.e. pre or post 2003?
Exactly what size tires are you now running?
the replacement wheels aren't aftermarket..they are direct like for like replacements of standard 2002 MR2 wheels.. I'm currently running bog standard tyre sizes 185/55R15 and 205/50R15
Today I ran standard pressures of 26/32 and it was terrible.
Thanks for the replies everyone. I guess there's nothing really for it except to continue to experiment with the tyre pressures for now. I've set the pressures for 25.5/31 for tomorrow and I'll see how I go.
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Hmmm ... well, Robbie, if you're not experiencing dramatic improvement by the time you get down to 24 psi up front, then:
1. I would have the allignment checked - carefully.
2. While rare, it's not impossible for a tire's inner belts to break. A volume tire store will see their share of them. It IS possible that you got a defective tire.
Quote from: "Robbie"Markiii Wrote:Quotedid they fit the right tyres to the right wheels?
yes...checked and big ones on the back wee ones to the front.
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not quite what I meant
front should be 185/55/15 on 6" rims rear should be 205/50/15 on 6.5" rims
however while having all 4 wheels and tyres seperated in order to swap the wheels under warranty, the silly buggers actually gave me
front 185/55/15 on 6.5" rims and rear 205/50/15 on 6" rims.
while teh front isn't so bad 205 on 6" rims especially when teh sidewalls are as soft as proxies are is not a good idea.
The only way to check is to take the wheels off and read teh sizes from teh inside of teh wheel spokes.
Markiii wrote:Quotenot quite what I meant
front should be 185/55/15 on 6" rims rear should be 205/50/15 on 6.5" rims
Sorry my reply wasn't very clear.....Although I didn't check exact rim sizes I did "eyeball" them to check that the bigger rims were on the rear and had the larger tyres on them...and that seemed to be the case. I'll check exact rim sizes tomorrow though just to be on the safe side.
Been following this and thinking of what might be the problem. It's bewildering me, especially as I currently (still, must chase up the fronts!) have RE040's on the front and new T1R's on the rear and the car is absolutely fine!
Only idea I have is try taking all the wheels off and rolling them to check for a distorted tyre? Have you any vibration that might indicate this?
Quote from: "Andy S"Been following this and thinking of what might be the problem. It's bewildering me, especially as I currently (still, must chase up the fronts!) have RE040's on the front and new T1R's on the rear and the car is absolutely fine!
Andy, just out of interest - you have 16" on the back? What size tyre did you go for? Thanks
Quote from: "roger"Quote from: "Andy S"Been following this and thinking of what might be the problem. It's bewildering me, especially as I currently (still, must chase up the fronts!) have RE040's on the front and new T1R's on the rear and the car is absolutely fine!
Andy, just out of interest - you have 16" on the back? What size tyre did you go for? Thanks
Yes. 225/40x16 Rear and 195/50x15 Front. Both 10mm wider and 5% lower aspect ratio compared with standard, so that rolling radius remains close to standard.
Andy s Wrote:QuoteOnly idea I have is try taking all the wheels off and rolling them to check for a distorted tyre? Have you any vibration that might indicate this?
Andy,
no vibration to speak of, but at low speed (I was caught in some roadworks on the A1 this morning) I noticed that scuttleshake has increased. I'll examine the tyres this evening though when I check out the wheel sizes.
Today's drive to work was no better on 25.5/31 psi
Robbie
Quote from: "Andy S"Quote from: "roger"Quote from: "Andy S"Been following this and thinking of what might be the problem. It's bewildering me, especially as I currently (still, must chase up the fronts!) have RE040's on the front and new T1R's on the rear and the car is absolutely fine!
Andy, just out of interest - you have 16" on the back? What size tyre did you go for? Thanks
Yes. 225/40x16 Rear and 195/50x15 Front. Both 10mm wider and 5% lower aspect ratio compared with standard, so that rolling radius remains close to standard.
Andy, phew
There was I thinking you had 225/40 rears ('cos I don't think Toyo make the 205/45 rear) but stock RE040 on the front, and you said you had no problems. You obviously changed the RE040s at some time. Thanks.
Quote from: "roger"Quote from: "Andy S"Quote from: "roger"Quote from: "Andy S"Been following this and thinking of what might be the problem. It's bewildering me, especially as I currently (still, must chase up the fronts!) have RE040's on the front and new T1R's on the rear and the car is absolutely fine!
Andy, just out of interest - you have 16" on the back? What size tyre did you go for? Thanks
Yes. 225/40x16 Rear and 195/50x15 Front. Both 10mm wider and 5% lower aspect ratio compared with standard, so that rolling radius remains close to standard.
Andy, phew
There was I thinking you had 225/40 rears ('cos I don't think Toyo make the 205/45 rear) but stock RE040 on the front, and you said you had no problems. You obviously changed the RE040s at some time. Thanks.
I think I'm confusing myself here! I think the actual size of the rear T1Rs is 215, not 225 which would be 20mm wider than std. I am running these with standard 185 fronts and expected things to feel wrong but it feels surprisingly little different, even when pushed fairly hard or at high(ish) speed. The front T1R's are arriving tomorrow and I'm wondering what that's going to be like.
Quote from: "Andy S"The front T1R's are arriving tomorrow and I'm wondering what that's going to be like.
We'll all be looking forward to a full skidpad, slalom & track lap times report, Monday morning!
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Andy
Sorry I asked, I get VERY confused over tyre & wheel sizes.
Anyway, tomorrow is the day - for your new tyres AND my chip programming!
Robbie Wrote:
QuoteI'll check exact rim sizes tomorrow though just to be on the safe side.
Wheel sizes are fine 15" x 6" front and 15" x 6.5" on the rear. The tyres also look ok...no lumps or bumps or any obvious signs of damage...a bit of wear on the outside edge of both front tyres as well as the inside. I'd really only expected inside edge wear but I guess that's down to me messing about with pressures.
I've set the pressures to 28/33 for tomorrow's test run.
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Robbie Wrote:
QuoteI've set the pressures to 28/33 for tomorrow's test run.
definitely not the right setting...worse if anything. I'm having to continually correct the steering and it's a bit unnerving at higher speeds.
Car's booked in for service and 1st MOT next week though so will ask them to check out the c@*p handling.
Did notice when I was checking the rim sizes that it looks as if someone has tried to jack the car up and depressed and ripped through part of the plastic nappy at the rear. (No damage previously) I wonder if Mr T could have put the jack on a suspension part instead of a jacking point and put something out of kilter? Hopefully I'll find out next week.
Thanks for all your responses anyway....I'll let you know how I get on.
Robbie,
I've just had the T1R's fitted to my 03 (plus alloy wheel replacement) and I'm not experiencing any problems, except the usual run-in period for Toyos.
I don't have the problem with wrong tyre placement as I have the 16" rears. I run 28 front and stock 32 on the rears.
If you haven't used Toyos before, I'd give your self 300-500 miles to bed the tyres in, but you do seem to be experiencing some odd driving conditions. This is my second set of Toyos, my 1st set were T1S's.
Send me a PM if you want a second opinion or direct comparison, as I also live in the area.
regards,
Gordon
OK, my car now has T1R's on all wheels. First impressions, after a very quick scrubbing -in are interesting. I think the car is noticable less prone to tramlining and nervousness at motorway speeds, though admittedly this is inevitably a comparison with part-worn RE040's. Turn-in with 27psi front seems good, but need to push it harder over the next few hundred miles to be certain.
No problems so far and Robbie, I think you must either have a faulty tyre or some kind of damage to suspension inflicted by the garage. Hope you get it sorted soon.
Just had T1Rs fitted to my 03, done about 100 miles and my initial impressions are good.
Positives:
1) No tramlining.
2) Ride quality improved.
3) Feels more sure-footed, it used to skip over expansion joints but now the Toyos cope with bumps better.
4) Grip in the dry seems better even though I'm still taking it easy! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Negative:
1) Turn in not as sharp and steering feels heavier, I suspect this is down to the tyre pressures. Currently running 30/34, (appreciate some recommendations?)
Overall i'm pleased, just want the front end feel back?
I'm just thinking about replacing the Yoko a539s on the front of (they were fitted by the dealer I bought the car from s:? :? s:? ) and replacing them with T1-Rs.
For a 03 car, what are the recommended tyre sizes in order to end up with neutral handling?
I'm guessing a bit here, but would fitting 195/50R15 on the front sound right with 215/45R16 on the rear ?
Ben,
Assuming you can get 215/45/16 in the T1R got for 185/55/15 up front.
If they are only available in the same sixes as the T1S then go for 195/50/15 and 225/40/16
Quote from: "markiii"Ben,
Assuming you can get 215/45/16 in the T1R got for 185/55/15 up front.
If they are only available in the same sixes as the T1S then go for 195/50/15 and 225/40/16
Having used both 185 and 195 on the front, I'd only ever buy 195s now.
for what reason?
Dramatically reduces understeer. The comparision may not be fair, but the 195 T1-S's had exceedingly little understeer compared with 185 T1-Rs.
Cheers !
195/50s it is then. One last thought - is there any difference in steering feedback? Going from 195/55s to 205/50s on a Mk2 cost a lot of 'feel' but gave you neutral handling, I was wondering if this was an issue?
I've just read all these posts and links trying to find the weight of the T1R but can't find anything. Can anyone just confirm if the T1R is supposed to be any lighter than the old T1S?
Quote from: "BenF"is there any difference in steering feedback? Going from 195/55s to 205/50s on a Mk2 cost a lot of 'feel' but gave you neutral handling, I was wondering if this was an issue?
Nope s:) :) s:) I was initially worried about using a 'non-standard' size, but after the first 50miles (scrub-in) I was highly pleased with the feel.
just had my T1-R's fitted this afternoon. On the way too the petrol station to check the pressures i thought 'ooh this feels a little lively!'. Only too find that the front had been inflated to 33psi and the backs 34 s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Anyway corrected that, and went for a spin, now i know that they take a long time to bed in, and are a little slippery when new. But the difference in the feel of the car over the crap arse Continentals I had before is just amazing. The car now feels light and far more responsive than before, and turn in is a sharper and more precise. Also didn't realise how much understeer the previous Continentals were giving me (they were on there when i bought it).
Will do for a longer more spirited drive later this evening when the roads are a little quieter, and investigate them further s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Quote from: "doony"just had my T1-R's fitted this afternoon. On the way too the petrol station to check the pressures i thought 'ooh this feels a little lively!'. Only too find that the front had been inflated to 33psi and the backs 34 s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Anyway corrected that, and went for a spin, now i know that they take a long time to bed in, and are a little slippery when new. But the difference in the feel of the car over the crap arse Continentals I had before is just amazing. The car now feels light and far more responsive than before, and turn in is a sharper and more precise. Also didn't realise how much understeer the previous Continentals were giving me (they were on there when i bought it).
Will do for a longer more spirited drive later this evening when the roads are a little quieter, and investigate them further s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
I couldn't agree more!
I had some crappy continentals on my car before I fitted the T1-R's too, see my reviewhere! (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3313) s8) 8) s8)
Hey Robbie,
Did you ever find a solution to the problem you had with your tires?
Your description matches very close to what I'm experiencing with my new tires. Falken Ziex 512. Car feels very unstable at > 80 mph, I'm constantly correcting my steering as the car floats back in forth with any turn of the wheel.
2001 stock
185/55/15 (RE040)
205/50/15 (Falken Ziex)
Thanks.
Gary
Different tyres front and back are not a good idea on this car, I'm afraid.
Quote from: "mph"Dramatically reduces understeer. The comparision may not be fair, but the 195 T1-S's had exceedingly little understeer compared with 185 T1-Rs.
Understeer on a '2? Never happened to me... Using stock sizes.
By the way, have you seen how skinny the front tyres of the Elise 111R are?
Quote from: "Emmanuel"Understeer on a '2? Never happened to me...
You need to drive faster then s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Get loads of understeer in mine - tends to preceed some nice oversteer. What happens when you turn in to a roundabout at speed without booting it (ie scrubbing off speed?).
James
I get understeer on t1-r's, but this is only when I'm caining it, and is made more noticable as I've taken the spare out, I think it's more too do with driving skill than it is the car
Can someone explain oversteer/understeer to me?
Thanks.
Gary
To put it in very simple terms, understeer means the car wants to go straight on when you turn the wheel at speed (often happens in FWD cars), and oversteer is when the back wants to come round and overtake the front (more commonly associated with RWD cars).
While we're asking noob questions:
What is turn-in? I gather it's something like the way the front tyres bite the road in a turn. What does it mean for it to be good (or better) or bad (or worse)?
Toyo T1-R's s8) 8) s8)
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Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "Emmanuel"Understeer on a '2? Never happened to me...
You need to drive faster then s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Blimey, has it been a year already??? Anyhoo, I forgot to mention that, although my car does not understeer one bit, it oversteers like there's no tomorrow! Or at least it used to until I got rid of the P6000.
To return to topic, I fitted a set of T1-Rs about a month ago and I am extremely happy with them on dry and relatively happy on the wet (had a couple of scary moments...). I still don't think they are as good as the Eagle F1s but since I can't get these anymore I reckon the Toyos are the next best thing.
Sizes are stock: 185/55/15 and 205/50/15
Tyre pressures: 28 front and 33 rear (seem to work well but I'm open to suggestions...)
I have recently put T1R's on in place of my stock Bridgestone RE40's and so far found them to be so much better in dry and wet. I'm still running stock pressures so maybe need to increase slightly s:wink: :wink: s:wink: