So, this weekend I've been to Santa Pod (400 mile round trip for me) in the MR2Z. Decided to do a couple of runs for benchmarks - the car is my daily so I wasn't going even slightly hard on the launch, and it's also fair to say that I cannot drive for toffee... BUT all that said I managed a 15 flat. My last run being against a DC5 integra (220bhp K20) and launches aside, 2nd gear right through to the top of 4th at the end of the quarter mile I was absolutely bang on side by side, nothing in it. Though a slick shift from 3rd - 4th gave me a slight pull on him. So with that in mind, book 1/4 mile time for a DC5 is 14.3. There is no doubt in my mind that an MRS will easily beat a DC5 off the mark when launched due to weight & drivetrain advantages. That to me means with a heroic driver breaking into the 13's is definitely achievable, even with the HP draining Chinese mani I have on mine.
Happy days indeed - rejoice 2zz owners, we can do Hondas on the straights, and in the corners s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
~Andy
I'll upload my time slip and a pic when I get chance (don't hold your breath, I still haven't done a newbie intro yet!!!)
A standardish 2ZZ will 100% not do 13's on the 1/4. No matter how heroic it is definitely not easy to shave more than a second off your time.
Also my full fat EP3 with a few breathing mods ran a 14.0 so the DC5 driver obviously wasn't all that.
I'd love to be proven wrong but seen a few 2ZZ's on the strip and they are 15 second cars really.
I would hope a 2zz could get into the high 13s the mid engine layout and power to weight should make it quicker than a ep3 type r. Wouldnt like to do it to à clutch in a car i owned though.
You are missing the point I made. Book time for a DC5 is 14.3. We both ran a 15 flat, but that was irrelevant. What I am saying is that throughout the rev range up through the gears my 2zz MR-2 was EXACTLY the same speed. There is no way in hell a heavier car with less grip will launch quicker, so a 2zz will definitely beat a 14.3.
It's more things like driveshafts & gearboxes that die at Pod, so much grip at such a sudden launch strips teeth off shafts for fun.
Quote from: "doodlepugg"You are missing the point I made. Book time for a DC5 is 14.3. We both ran a 15 flat, but that was irrelevant. What I am saying is that throughout the rev range up through the gears my 2zz MR-2 was EXACTLY the same speed. There is no way in hell a heavier car with less grip will launch quicker, so a 2zz will definitely beat a 14.3.
I'm totally not missing the point, It just will not happen and until someone runs the times its all speculation. I know someone who has dragged their 2ZZ Roadster quite a lot and can't break out of the 15's. A Lotus Elise only just runs 13's and that is a hell of a lot lighter than a Roadster.
The DC5 was clearly not running or driven right if it only ran a 15 and book is 14.3, more than likely an over zealous driver struggling for traction (or dropping out of vtec on gear changes). I'm not sure what more there is to understand and that is the most relevant point in the post, the car was 0.7 seconds off its proper pace which is a hell of a lot in drag terms.
What were the terminal speeds for both cars? And 60ft times?
Edit - most sites have DC5 down as 14.6 or slower.
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Book time vs real time. Temperature, air pressure, altitude, wind speed and direction, fatness of driver, tyre models and pressures, all have to be the same to be comparative.
pop your time up, and you can see how the launch was, a 60ft of 2s or less is a good launch irrelevant of how hard you pushed it. any more than 2.2s and yeah you were having a little nap in a car like the 2. (assuming you have a working clutch and tyres.. that said i've never dragged my 2, just putting numbers together from previous cars and road tests)
Also top speed shows roughtly the capability of the car reguardless of launch etc, as time will vary massively due to driver, but tbh speed won't.
I recently ran a 13.7 @ 102mph, 60ft was 2.1 and I'm running about 270bhp in my Roadster, however car was holding back over 5k rpm. I also had a 2ZZ roadster and the difference between that car and this is night and day.
My fastest 60ft was 2.2 flat, like I said I was taking it very easy of the line. Launched absolutely flat out, there is no doubt in my mind it could drop a second off the time.
By the same speed as the DC5, the launch was irrelevant. No he wasn't dropping out of vtec or miss shifting, up at that speed when someone is next to you, you can tell if they chuff up. No two ways about it, my car was exactly the same speed once rolling, that is what I'm saying.
No one that owns a 2zz mr2 goes to pod with the intentions of going flat out regardless of what they break, so you're not likely to ever find out. This is annoying me now, and if I ever go to pod again I will try and trailer the mr2 there just so I can run it absolutely flat out. Just for you.
At Pod, grip is really not an issue in the mr2, it's nigh on impossible to break traction. Just walking down the strip your feet stick to the floor.
I don't understand the point of drag racing and not going full out, I always have done and always will.
You have said grip is not an issue so that factored in you would need to take more than half a second off your 60ft to achieve a second by the end of the strip, that will not happen. The time is in the launch, pretty sure you are flat out the rest of the way up the strip.
If you're doing 2.1 60ft then you're not going 'all out'. That, or the surface that you're drag racing on is shocking. At pod you can do a 7k launch and it'll bite. I'm not going all out because my mr2 is my daily, and I like it. That, and I had a 200 mile drive home. You are beginning to irritate me if I'm honest, and I feel absolutely no need to justify my opinion any more.
Drag racing is willy waving, money, and the ability to not give a damn when you break something, which you always will, every time. I had a great weekend, had a go to say that I had, and came back happy with my respectably quick, economical daily.
What gearbox have you got in your 2zz conversion?
2.1 was on road tyres with a hell of a lot more power on a worse surface (York).
You are also irritating me with your misleading speculation and nothing actually backed up with real times so let's just leave it there.
I take drag racing quite seriously and the proof is in the times at the end of the day, nothing else.
I will bow out of your discussion now.
Enjoy the rest of your bank holiday weekend.
Maybe there should be a mr2roc rwyb meet, the mr2oc used to go quite a bit and it was always good fun, (mainly a bit faster as many were turbos) but i think it would a good meet if we had a good number there on the same day all doing a few runs. (Have never heard of breaking anything more than a clutch unless you have really modified the car) i know the mk3s will not be challenging anything too fast up there and are not ideally suited, but still think it could offer some entertainment.
Probably a car or two around here that could dip into the 12s if their owners are brutal enough. I've seen plenty of stuff broken on the strip. It's sticky, so loads on the drivetrain are potentially huge in 1st, stripped driveshaft splines, blown differentials, it's all possible and all expensive.
Yeah, anything that joins to something else on the drivetrain is at risk of breaking, regardless of power. That's why I just slipped my clutch instead of launching it. There were a few SW20's doing the strip, at pretty embarrassing speeds if I'm honest. Up in the 17's. There was only on that managed a mid 14, presumably the only turbo. There was a fiat 126 with a 3sge turbo pulling 11's though!!
Drag racing is total folly, though. Running down a strip made largely of rubber and sticky syrup is no real world comparison. That's why I mentioned being the exact same as a DC5 rolling, that's comparable acceleration. On a normal, less sticky road the odds are even more in favour of the MR2.
I'm running the corolla 6 speed in my car, with an mr2 lsd.
Quote from: "Lee H"2.1 was on road tyres with a hell of a lot more power on a worse surface (York).
You are also irritating me with your misleading speculation and nothing actually backed up with real times so let's just leave it there.
I take drag racing quite seriously and the proof is in the times at the end of the day, nothing else.
I will bow out of your discussion now.
Enjoy the rest of your bank holiday weekend.
You completely invalidated your own argument by saying your time wasn't the best it could be. I'm not in any way saying a 2zz is even close to as fast as your turb, but I strongly stand by my reckoning that it could break into the 13's. But I'm saying perfect conditions, perfect driver etc. Just like book times. And in that same respect, I would think with your terminal speed, if you were to drag at pod, use launch control to spool the turbo up to full and give it a proper launch you'd be in the low 13's.
This is exactly why I gave the reference to a ROLLING DC5. When heroic launches are taken out of the equation.
Doodlepug have to say I kind of agree with your estimations but would like to see it proved too. Lee I would have thought your mr2 should be in the high 12s by comparison. (My old almost stock mk2 mr2 turbo just got in the high 12s with 258bhp, and must have been a lot heavier than a roadster with similar power.
Yeah, there's a monumental difference in doing a clutch slip start, and doing a redline launch. People that are used to their local airfield simply cannot compare their times to someone that launches at Pod. Walking down the strip in the evening, your shoes stick to the surface!
But still, if someone wants to slate and argue with me that's fine. Each to their own.
I'd be interested in a santapod meet s:D :D s:D it's been ages since I've been there
Quote from: "doodlepugg"Yeah, there's a monumental difference in doing a clutch slip start, and doing a redline launch.
I tried to bow out but I can't when I'm being accused of arguing and slating, I'm just trying to be realistic and have a discussion from experience.
Please tell me how much you would need to drop your 60ft to run a 13.9 given you were probably at full attack after the start to stay in lift? Genuine question.
It is LITERALLY all about the launch at Pod. Have you ever been? You could set your car on launch control at 5k rpm and dump the clutch and it'd just go, even on your slippy T1r's. 1 tenth 60ft can make up 3 tenths terminal, so 1.9 60ft in a 180hp 1000kg is not unrealistic. We're not talking times you can pull off all day every day. This is why I didn't go all out, I like my car drivable especially when I had a 200 mile drive home & work the following day. I would love to see you go 'all out' at pod. You'd get some brilliant times, and break something. I'll even prepare my best 'told you so' speech.
I'm in favour of a Pod meet s:) :) s:)
After a quick play around with the wallace racing drag calculators, 13.9 quarter requires a 1.93 60ft and 94mph terminal speed. I got a 93 mph terminal, so yup... I'm still standing by everything I've said.
Worth noting their calculators also say 165bhp (probably whp knowing american drag tuners) is what is needed at our weight (driver included - I weigh 62kg cus I'm a scrawny little sshit shit sshit ) to achieve 13.9.
Convinced yet? Or you need more?
Yes I've been to pod several times. Quite a few of my friends run high powered fwd cars, however they struggle for grip even at pod although I appreciate a RWD car is totally different.
I agree pod is the best place for quick times although from people who have raced both York isn't too far behind (I managed a 2.1 60ft there in a 2.0 Nova on road tyres on a decent summer day which wasn't too shabby).
The only way you will convince me is with fact (ie a timing slip), all the slips I've seen show late 14's,early 15's. Also remember I've owned a 2ZZ Roadster and it struggled to keep up with my girlfriends standard EP3.
I think my fastest (I don't know 60ft time sorry) was a 13.6 in a seat Ibiza Cupra - FWD running standard road tyres and engine mods, rolling roaded a few times between 270-290bhp
This is only going to be resolved with a pod meet isnt it.
Quote from: "1979scotte"This is only going to be resolved with a pod meet isnt it.
Famous quote here "I live life a quarter mile at a time" s:flame: :flame: s:flame:
So hows the weather down there? s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I'm up for a pod meet.... There were a few guys on mr2oc on about it a few weeks ago too
Quote from: "vinp182"I'm up for a pod meet.... There were a few guys on mr2oc on about it a few weeks ago too
Let us know if anything goes ahead vinny
Quote from: "Lee H"Yes I've been to pod several times. Quite a few of my friends run high powered fwd cars, however they struggle for grip even at pod although I appreciate a RWD car is totally different.
I agree pod is the best place for quick times although from people who have raced both York isn't too far behind (I managed a 2.1 60ft there in a 2.0 Nova on road tyres on a decent summer day which wasn't too shabby).
The only way you will convince me is with fact (ie a timing slip), all the slips I've seen show late 14's,early 15's. Also remember I've owned a 2ZZ Roadster and it struggled to keep up with my girlfriends standard EP3.
Fair enough. There were a good 5-6 10 second FWD cars the weekend. Most notably a naturally aspirated EG running a 10 flat. It was ballistic. It was a dedicated drag car though, and shat its gearbox out halfway up the strip later in the day s:D :D s:D
My first run was against an EP3, but it had stupid scene rims and I left it behind. Second run was against a v10 m5 which decimated me, then my final run against the DC5 you know about.
In fairness a meet won't prove owt, unless someone in a 2zz wants to launch their car s:D :D s:D
According to consensus some years ago, by those who raced regularly or competed in the FWD shootout and Honda Drag Series, Shakespeare County Raceway was held to have the best drag-strip surface in the country. But that is, at least, according to those of us (mainly fwd owners) who have either raced or competed at both Shakey and Pod. Therefore, I'd like to recommend Shakespeare County Raceway for a meet or day of racing. The staff are friendly there and the entry/race fees are much more affordable than pod. They also allow for unlimited runs and it isn't usually overly crowded.
Here are a few of my slips from a few weeks ago:
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As you can see, my 60ft and overall times were very consistent. The car was driven hard but the launch could have been better; riding the clutch worked better than launch control on the day. The car was also on 225/60/15 semi slicks back then but the new ***/50/15 tyres give quicker gearing and so I think the car will break into the 12s or run closer to a 13 flat on its next visit.
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Shakespeare raceway is fine with me, I know the area so can get there easier
Nice times by the way!
Nice work! I think it depends on what's on at the strips when you run. At pod they were heating the track in the morning and putting that syrup stuff down every run. Only downsides are crosswinds/headwinds and running uphill. A fella I spoke to mentioned another strip that ran downhill with high crops either side which for the bike lads proved the fastest strip.
It was the all4honda crew that dominated the FWD 'street legal' class last weekend. Changed my opinions on FWD cars completely, absolutely amazing.
I've only heard great things about shakespear so I'd be up for going there too
I'm interested could be a laugh.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Nice times by the way!
Thank you. It even took me by surprise s:) :) s:)
Tracks usually prepare the surface to a high level on event days only. They have found that too many people break things on their road cars with a sticky surface, so they don't bother too much for you regular RWYB public track days.
Sounds interesting, but a long way to walk home!
Quote from: "doodlepugg"Nice work! I think it depends on what's on at the strips when you run. At pod they were heating the track in the morning and putting that syrup stuff down every run. Only downsides are crosswinds/headwinds and running uphill. A fella I spoke to mentioned another strip that ran downhill with high crops either side which for the bike lads proved the fastest strip.
It was the all4honda crew that dominated the FWD 'street legal' class last weekend. Changed my opinions on FWD cars completely, absolutely amazing.
That sounds like Shakespeare, it is popular with the bikers. The next track day there is in two weeks time I think. After that I am likely to SORN the car for a while. It needs some improvements and I fancy cycling again when the weather improves!
EDIT: here's this year's race calendar.
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Hahah.. i'd be keen... quickest at pod so far was my big fat calibra with a 12.8, i'd like to think my 2 could get a high 12/low 13. But my clutch can't launch s:( :( s:( so may be difficult to grab more than a 2.2s 60ft. my calibra also could not launch due to weak clutch.. seems to be a running theme for me!! I should probably spend some money on clutches for my cars! best clutch ever so far that held up to anything I made myself from two standard clutches.. worked so well but kept breaking clutch cables and was a little "heavy" lol..
Be interesting to see mk3 v mk2 (n/a, turbo, v6) results
And a 1zz vs 2zz mk3
Quote from: "Leethesparky"Sounds interesting, but a long way to walk home!
Your going to kill your gearbox off anyway may as well have a laugh when you do.
Nice time in the Calibra!
I am planning to go Shakespeare Raceway on the public track weekend, which will commence on 23/05/15.
Will anyone be interested to come along? Met some nice people on the last visit there, but sadly no roadster owners although a few guys did ask to look at the motor and mentioned that a friend of theirs was considering a 2zzge swap in a mk3.
I'd come along to show the difference between 1zz & 2zz, though don't expect big launches. Shakespeare is about an hour closer to me than pod, so that suits me. Though the weekend at pod was RWYB it was still the National street legal classes that were running for points aswell, so in the morning they were heating and coating the whole strip, then coating the launch area every single run.
I need to sort out all my mounts, as there seems to be a fair bit of slack in the drivetrain on my car. My list of to-do's is getting ever larger, as always.
Quote from: "doodlepugg"I'd come along to show the difference between 1zz & 2zz, though don't expect big launches. Shakespeare is about an hour closer to me than pod, so that suits me. Though the weekend at pod was RWYB it was still the National street legal classes that were running for points aswell, so in the morning they were heating and coating the whole strip, then coating the launch area every single run.
I need to sort out all my mounts, as there seems to be a fair bit of slack in the drivetrain on my car. My list of to-do's is getting ever larger, as always.
I used tiger seal for one of my mounts. It's alleviated engine judder/rocking by about 50%. The remaining mounts are yet to be done.
The track should be good at Shakespeare on the said weekend, as they will have a few competitions going on simultaneously.
Interesting idea. I'm just going full polybush. Everything that has a bushing is getting replaced, and everything underneath is getting painted & undersealed. Then I shall be sorting the gear linkage as that is nowhere near good enough, followed by suspension overhaul, then new brakes all round followed finally by binning these horrendous T1r's. Then I might hopefully be able to just drive it for a couple of years!!
I'm already away that weekend as its bank holiday s:( :( s:(
My car won't be ready that weekend either
s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: I could probably make it if it was later in June
Late June would work for me
Could be possible.
What do you all say to 18/19th July- Public track weekend?
On holiday.
Who is bringing a stock 1zz btw?
There are none left s:) :) s:)
I think if everyone puts down when it'll be most convenient for them, using the dates set out in the Shakespear race calendar, we can work towards setting a date.
Thanks
P.S. I had the car dynod and it came to 190whp (212bhp) and 143wtq.
That's a very respectable N/A output. Nice work.
Quote from: "doodlepugg"That's a very respectable N/A output. Nice work.
Cheers pal.
Would you be up for Shakespeare Raceway at any of the specified times?
Thanks
I may well be. Probably off to pod again in August aswell. There's a lot of things I need to sort first, and I need to be tighter with my money to buy a house - so you'll have to catch me in the right mood!!
That's fine buddy, in your own time.
We could just do what other forums have done and start off a 1/4 mile leaderboard thread. And then all anyone has to do is submit their times and a moderator (or member overlooking the thread) would adjust the time board accordingly.
I would do something like:
Engine: 1zzfe
Mods: decat, 2.25" exhaust
Suspension: oem shocks, tein springs
Power(if known or approximate): 140bhp
Weight (if known or approximate): factory weight
Tyres: Toyo Proxi T1S
Tyre size: 195/50/15 front 205/50/15 rear
1/4 mile: 16.00s @ 80mph
There is already a 1/4 mile leaderboard under the garage
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"There are none left s:) :) s:)
i got one,but not for long lol
Quote from: "rbuckingham"There is already a 1/4 mile leaderboard under the garage
Thank.
I had a look here, but the closest thing I could see was highest dyno numbers but no 1/4 mile.
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Is it not there or am I just being daft lol
Quote from: "4dvti"Quote from: "rbuckingham"There is already a 1/4 mile leaderboard under the garage
Thank.
I had a look here, but the closest thing I could see was highest dyno numbers but no 1/4 mile.
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Is it not there or am I just being daft lol
EDIT:
I've had a snoop around in the garage and managed to put a 1/4 time in there. I also uploaded a dyno run but it's not showing on the chart for some reason even though it's well in there. I assume it needs approval?
Yep needs to be accepted by a mod so be there soon.
Cheers pal
Its on now, and congrats on first place.
Quote from: "rbuckingham"Its on now, and congrats on first place.
Thank you. I'm sure it won't be long before some of the turbo mr2s beat my time. Just waiting for the dyno run to show up on the table now. I made 190whp or 212bhp, so it should be about a quarter of the way up the chart.
Should be 5 knocking my old na result down s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Aah, well yours is a true mr2. I no longer run a Toyota engine. I understand how difficult it is to n/a tune Toyotas after owning numerous 4age 16v and 20v cars as well as a t sport corolla and celica.
Just for interests sake, there were 2 Corolla T-Sports at the Pod RWYB today. One was me....
I was running 16.1's (when I managed to put it together!) and the other car had a bit more experience and ran 15.9's. The driver of that said it was his second outing and he also ran 16.1's last time he went. Both cars completely stock bar an induction kit. Quite useful for comparisons sake!
A quick vid from one of the runs I did:
Stock type r k20a2
non lsd gearbox
Custom Base map- not tuned
Power: 212bhp - 190whp
Tyres: Road legal Yokohama Advan A032 semis slicks 225/60/15
E.T. 13.27s @ 105.16mph
60ft time: 2.072s
Feedback: the tyres were a bit too big as I realised after I put the 195/50/15 r888s on the back. The gearing was instantly shorter and the car accelerates quicker. Need some 205 or 215s next. The r888 medium compound is also a much better semi slick i felt.
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It's quick isn't it!
Nice run, but with a bit of 2nd gear spinning up by the sounds of it, so plenty of time still to find!
Thanks. It even took all of us by surprise! Thought if we could get a high 13 pass we's be happy... There's so much more in it yet.
Cheers
Its an old thread but have enjoyed reading it, went to Santa Pod in my car yesterday
How did you get on?
Indeed, very interested to see how it went - had a family gathering over the weekend so couldn't go but the weather looked ok.
Never done it before, 1st run complete balls up. was waiting for the other car to line up, didn't line up, and I wasn't watching the lights because of that!. Was waved off by the marshall, just a fast start , bit of wheel spin. 13.9 99.8 mph. Second run, to much clutch slip, same time. 3rd run, fluffed up 2nd to 3rd gear change. Got to practice launch and reaction time now, Enjoyed it and will try again next month. Only issue I have is that doing a fast start / launch away from the strip, I cannot break traction when dumping clutch at up to 4000 rpm. Got wheel spin at santa pod so going to be hard to practice.
My racelogic has so far recorded a couple of 0-100 of 12.5 which was kind of hoping that I could get there. I think that with practice and better reaction I could do a 13
Quote from: "KRAMSNEHPETS"Never done it before, 1st run complete balls up. was waiting for the other car to line up, didn't line up, and I wasn't watching the lights because of that!. Was waved off by the marshall, just a fast start , bit of wheel spin. 13.9 99.8 mph. Second run, to much clutch slip, same time. 3rd run, fluffed up 2nd to 3rd gear change. Got to practice launch and reaction time now, Enjoyed it and will try again next month. Only issue I have is that doing a fast start / launch away from the strip, I cannot break traction when dumping clutch at up to 4000 rpm. Got wheel spin at santa pod so going to be hard to practice.
My racelogic has so far recorded a couple of 0-100 of 12.5 which was kind of hoping that I could get there. I think that with practice and better reaction I could do a 13
Just looking at the signature for the power figure and guessing around 1,100kg all in weight the car should run a low 12 - always room for improvement but that's part of the fun s:) :) s:)