My car is an 06 with an SP240 turbo kit fitted by matt performance.
Having driven to Ding Day with Tom following behind he noticed a red plume of dust exciting my exhaust at high revs.
When we got to tweeks the water was low and the oil possibly too.
Had a look at the plugs they seemed fine and there was no MAYO deposits on the oil cap.
Power seems unaffected engine revs cleanly but the turbo seems to be making a whine which makes it sound more like a supercharger.
Also last week when checking the oil i noticed rust at the top of the dipstick, it was also very hard to remove and the oil seemed a bit sticky. This now seems fine.
Water was used on the return trip from tweeks over 200 miles.
Some ideas were put forward at ding day just wondered if anybody had something to add or experienced similar.
This must have begun recently because i attend a lot of events and nobody has noticed anything before.
Cheers
Scott
Red an odd colour, was it on the over run at high revs or just constant at high revs?
I think it happened whenever the revs got above 5-6k but it could have been on the over run.
Think it happened less on lower power map. Am assuming that was due to less pressure through the turbo?
It's a ball ache whatever. Trying to move house so can do without.
Btw it's more of a rust orange colour.
My coolant is pink too.
Its definitely a rust colour, did you try revving on the full boost map im guessing it stayed.
Has the car been sat unused for any length of time?
It's very odd, not something I've come across before.
I can only think something is up in the turbo housing
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Has the car been sat unused for any length of time?
NB miles would suggest not. What kinda duration are you thinking?
Ah yes of course. Was just wondering if there was a coolant leak and it had pooled for a while in a casting. The plugs suggest the burn is good, it just sounds like a more mechanical problem turbo side. I think I would be taking the exhaust off and checking for play in the spindle and physical signs of distress.
I had a look around a few other forums too and info is scarce and inconsistent. One guy had a cylinder not firing, another had fuelling problems. Another just had rusty internals in the exhaust.
Further investigation is obviously required.
It can sit a whole week without use but then will be taken a fair few miles.
Ding day this weekend obviously and bex hill last weekend.
Had done 55k when i bought it think it is on 67k now.
My biggest issue is this whining from the turbo wasn't there before.
Of course it could be all Toms fault he cleaned my MAF which wasn't wasy compared to a stock car.
From what you've said so far I would aim for checking the turbo out, focussing on the spindle and seals.
Remember the dirty side of the turbo is cast iron, so obviously a willing source for red iron oxide.
If it's whining it sounds like a seal is failing, a bearing is dry, or the spindle bearings are failing.
Either way you really need to find out before driving it any further as you can image a spindle becoming unbalanced will case compressor blades to catch the housing sending metal debris into the engine intake.
I've had a quick look around but don't have much experience of turbos but everything I've read points to a problem with the turbo. Possible seal or crack in the housing.
The other issue could be a blocked coolant return line, which would force the coolant into the housing.
As I said on Saturday, if you're loosing coolant, its either leaking out to the floor, or leaking into the engine!
God can't someone be positive and tell me I'm worrying about nothing and that it is perfectly normal to top up coolant every day as well as having rust flying out of your exhaust. :'(
As always thanks for all the advice.
Oh and if possible can somone find a way of at least finding tom partly responsible.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Oh and if possible can somone find a way of at least finding tom partly responsible.
He touched it least, that must count for something in terms of pointing the finger of blame!
Btw, it will be alright. There just may be some <coughs> small investment required.
If the engine has swallowed a turbine blade immense investment may almost cover it.
Anyone up for a bank job or diamond heist?
It's got to be Tom's fault i wouldn't do half as many miles if it wasn't for him.
If Toms been anywhere near it then it's bound to be his fault! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Oh no he's been near mine, it's going to break too! s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
Quote from: "1979scotte"Anyone up for a bank job or diamond heist?
Probably best not to use your 2 for the get away! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Just be glad Tom wasn't "driving" it!
I'm happy to have a good look at it once I get back from holiday Scott. Might be an idea to remove the turbo pipes for a look at workings on both sides.
Everyone is on holiday in my hour of need. s;) ;) s;)
Thanks Nigel.
It be fine Scott just look at it as turbo upgrade time.
Scott, you are worrying about nothing and that it is perfectly normal to top up coolant every day as well as having rust flying out of your exhaust.
Seriously though, you just need to work out how to do blue and white too. It works for the red arrows.....
Hope I have helped.
Quote from: "tricky1138"If Toms been anywhere near it then it's bound to be his fault! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Oh no he's been near mine, it's going to break too! s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
he did let him fiddle with his plugs s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes: s:scared: :scared: s:scared: s:flame: :flame: s:flame:
Quote from: "Topdownman"Scott, you are worrying about nothing and that it is perfectly normal to top up coolant every day as well as having rust flying out of your exhaust.
Seriously though, you just need to work out how to do blue and white too. It works for the red arrows.....
Hope I have helped.
At last someone with a proper engineering degree who knows what they're talking about I'm fully relieved.
Thanks Simon
Cheeky basrards s:) :) s:)
I'm not suggesting you should cut your turbo in two Scotte but if you did it would be a bit like this. I'm sure you know how they work but it could help show where your oil is going if a seal is failing. If it fails completely it will happily use the rest of your oil and starve the engine. I'm not sure about the coolant but presumably something similar could happen.
My concern is that you could run your car and have a problem escalate quickly and cause damage to the engine.
Just trying to help, hope I'm not scaremongering.
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Scotte, I feel your pain. s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Scotte, I feel your pain. s:( :( s:(
I think my car got too close to yours and caught the same disease.
Or maybe its just all Toms fault.
I'd love to blame Tom but he didn't touch my car
prob my fault s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "tomaky"probably my fault s;) ;) s;)
there you go Scott liability admitted job done his fault s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
hope you do find out what be the problem soon s:( :( s:( let us no how you get on
Hopefully they'll be some investigative works at the weekend Paul and we'll know exactly what is wrong.
The only petrol turbo car I have had was a company Saab and Mr S looked after that.
So I really can offer no advice and as I shall be away from the w.w.w for a bit more than 24 hours! I will not be able to congratulate you immediately when you have resolved your problem.
Hope all goes well for you.
Just bin it Scott. It's a goner.
Quote from: "shnazzle"Just bin it Scott. It's a goner.
Ive told your wife that about you but it seems the English have a little more perseverance than some other Eurpoeans.
I think I'll follow you wifes example and give the car just a little more time.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "shnazzle"Just bin it Scott. It's a goner.
Ive told your wife that about you but it seems the English have a little more perseverance than some other Eurpoeans.
I think I'll follow you wifes example and give more car just a little more time.
Haha! Touché douche, touché
Scotte have you got a trusted mechanic to look at it?
Rich and myself will investigate Sunday mate.
Cool, good luck and fingers crossed
Hopefully it'll be easy to diagnose with some other bits apart. :-) :-) :-)
Turbo fubar but f all to do with coolant more to follow.
Picture and/or vids would be good whilst you have it out.
Btw, bad times. s:-( :-( s:-(
Good you have an idea whats wrong. Doesnt sound cheap though.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for you.
Sad times matey
Water issue found, so at least tom is not to blame for that.
Well my turbo's running well s;) ;) s;)
Sad news Scotte. Hope you can get it sorted without too
Much expense or trouble
if it is going to be a costly job maybe time to weigh up alternatives s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
What ever hope you get it sorted soon.
If there are any parts you source up here, Im down your way in 3 weeks time, just give us a shout.
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Intercooler with a small ammount of oil in it. Rich has a theory about that.
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And the fubar turbo this is the intake side.
Zoom in nice and close to see some wonderfully bent blades.
Oooooo nasty.
Oh!!!.. just found this thread.
Sh!t news mate, I did my turbo on my saab last year, the blades were wrecked. Bought a shiney new turbo for 600 quid and it lasted 2 weeks.. forgot to prime it before running it... ouch, bought a recon turbo and touch wood it's been ok since.
Nasty,what would cause that?
Something went into the blades is the only way it happen. No play on the shaft at either end but the balance will be off.
What would the cause of the red smoke be?
Red arrows formation flying?
Fuel additives. Rust in the exhaust. Not 100% but we found no evidence of coolant in the turbo.
Quote from: "Leethesparky"Oh!!!.. just found this thread.
Sh!t news mate, I did my turbo on my saab last year, the blades were wrecked. Bought a shiney new turbo for 600 quid and it lasted 2 weeks.. forgot to prime it before running it... ouch, bought a recon turbo and touch wood it's been ok since.
Any ideas what caused your problems in the first place? We found nothing to blame the damage on.
Tbh my car seems to be running fine although i am trying to stay under 3k rpm.
Showed my hubby pic of bent blades and said nothing else about the post and he immediately said "Bearing in a turbo has collapsed" s:( :( s:( . He says there must have been a blockage in the oil feed or a leak in the oil feed s:( :( s:(
You say that you found the water issue, what was it? Is there end float on the compressor shaft?
I'm no expert Caroline but there is 0 play in the turbo.
Surely if the bearing is shot it would wobble all over the shop.
Doesn't matter really it's scrap either way.
Nope no float at all, to shaft was spot on with no play. Water was going as the rad is poorly. The orange I can only really think is down to fuel additives as it not doing it today, but you could see places that showed it had.
Quote from: "Mikeymead"You say that you found the water issue, what was it? Is there end float on the compressor shaft?
The radiator leaks mike. We pressurised the coolant to over 15 psi and the only place we found any coming out of was the rad.
End float mate? Best explain that to me.
[quote="1979scotte"
End float mate? Best explain that to me.[/quote]
Basically you have shafts rotating within bearings. You shouldn't be able to rock the shaft backwards and forwards, if you can then there may be an issue.
Good to know that the water leak is only the radiator, that's a cheap fix, shame about the turbo but at least the engine seems ok.
I was just thinking that if the turbo spindle was moving longitudinally in it's casing the compressor fins could be fouling on the case. Either way as you say it's toast. Not an expense you need at the moment.
It's so strange mike.
Something has obviously hit the blades but there where no bits of debris anywhere.
It has no play and spins freely.
Driving it you wouldn't know anything was wrong.
Confused.com.
Before i replace it everything will need to be checked.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Leethesparky"Oh!!!.. just found this thread.
Sh!t news mate, I did my turbo on my saab last year, the blades were wrecked. Bought a shiney new turbo for 600 quid and it lasted 2 weeks.. forgot to prime it before running it... ouch, bought a recon turbo and touch wood it's been ok since.
Any ideas what caused your problems in the first place? We found nothing to blame the damage on.
Tbh my car seems to be running fine although i am trying to stay under 3k rpm.
No mate, one min was ok, next min made horrible wining noise. Tracked it down to the turbo, took off the inlet pipe and it was completely knackered. Fan blades bent and mangled and the shafts completely collapsed.
I put it down to high mileage , one of those things. Found nothing obvious wrong and it's been ok for the last year
Hubby says it wouldn't necessarily wobble about and it could have just been a bit of the bearing that has come loose s:( :( s:(
Just getting caught up on this after a weekend away at a stag do!
Well looks like good and bad news there Scotte.
Its always hard to diagnose problems when there are actually 2 different problems. You assume they are related when as you've found out it was just coincidental.
Hope you can manage to get it fixed. Looks like an easy, but expensive fix! s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
This radiator as good as any?
m http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/281080296575?nav=SEARCH (http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/281080296575?nav=SEARCH) m
Its the cheapest i could find.
That will do the job s:) :) s:)
That's the one I've had for 1.5 years
Ordered.
Whats going on with the other bits that need replacing?
Awaiting wife approval mainly but also some checking to do about the technicalities
Good luck with that! s;-) ;-) s;-)
No more expensive than a handbag "about £50" seems the going rate.
I am told you can never have too many handbags, so you may need more than one.
D buys a handbag I buy a camera, all seems reasonable.
Quote from: "Ardent"No more expensive than a handbag "about £50" seems the going rate.
Nice to see that making an appearance again. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "1979scotte"Awaiting wife approval mainly but also some checking to do about the technicalities
Dont forget to tell the wife how expensive the labour is. Make the purchase price very cheap s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Does anybody know exactly what type turbo was fitted fitted on the SP kits?
I know it's a garret and it's probably a t25 fitted to some saabs but I can't see the actual part number with it fitted to the car.
Any help apreciated.
It would really help me to move forward with some confidence.
Looks like something has hit the turbine blades to me. Something small loose in the inlet tract possibly?
We didn't find anything hiding in any of the hoses but that was our first thought too.
I now need to source a compatible replacement but I don't even know what turbo it is.
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Could Matt (performance) help?
So far no luck with Matt.
If he has been moving house then I sympathise.
So TTE turbo are tb2559 and I belive the SP use the same. From a saab 9000. Part no 452083.
They seem to be available on a remanufacture basis but garret don't offer anything that is newer that will bolt straight up. Would like to go ball bearing.
Any T25 flange will work but it's the exhaust side that needs to be the same.
Garret make a gt2859r which I thought would fit but not so sure as it seems to be Nissan specific.
Anyone with any turbo knowledge?
No I know, but still...
Gap Turbos with premises in Birmingham offer to repair, replace/ exchange with a reconditioned unit or supply new.
I know nothing of this Company other than from their web site.
Maybe worth a look.
Better luck!
Already phoned gap they couldn't help me. Essex turbos wanted 350 +vat and didn't have one on the shelf.
Turbo developments have done me one for 250 + vat + 100 surcharge which I'll get back.
Delivery tomorrow.
Ouch. Lucky you have a friendly mechanic. Any other bits needed?
Good question about other bits.
That seems a good price for the turbo
Quote from: "s12vea"That seems a good price for the turbo
Yep, I was expecting more tbh.
Most turbo refurbs will come with the needed bits, Ie studs, nuts and gaskets.
Quote from: "s12vea"That seems a good price for the turbo
It's probably too cheap tbh.
It only comes with 12 month warranty where other places I called offered 24 months.
For 320 including tax and next day delivery you can't complain.
How long did your broken one live for Scotte?
I thought you would think about an upgrade while your there? T28
Quote from: "1979scotte"Turbo developments have done me one for 250 + vat + 100 surcharge
Are they the company from Blackpool ?
Be interested to know what they are like, as I would like to get mine reconditioned at some point.
Well played buddy!
It's a London based company who said they had plenty on the shelves.
I wanted to upgrade to a gtx2860r but that would not have been a direct fit and would have been three times the price.
Maybe next year.
Quote from: "Joesson"How long did your broken one live for Scotte?
No idea mate it was third hand. Steve had it before me and someone else previous to that.
I've put maybe 7k miles on it.
another bonus should be if the turbo was indeed damaged recently the existing maps should run no problem s:) :) s:)
Good price for the turbo, mine was about £300 plus the returnable 100 for the Saab last year, came with all new gaskets and bolts.
Are you fitting it?, don't forget to prime it with oil, I killed the first replacement turbo forgetting to do that. Gets expensive buying a second.
Turbo came today.
Same as yours Lee 300 or 250 plus Vat.
Just need help fitting it and the Rad.
Happy to help at the weekend, and I've got a big workshop!
Assuming
it's drivable
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Joesson"How long did your broken one live for Scotte?
No idea mate it was third hand. Steve had it before me and someone else previous to that.
I've put maybe 7k miles on it.
If you have done 7k the kit has only done about 15k
Quote from: "s12vea"Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Joesson"How long did your broken one live for Scotte?
No idea mate it was third hand. Steve had it before me and someone else previous to that.
I've put maybe 7k miles on it.
If you have done 7k the kit has only done about 15k
If it's only done 15k a good look around is needed,
It may be worth getting some gauges eventually Scott. So you can keep an eye on things, oil pressure, boost etc.
I find mine so useful, oil pressure to see when it's warm enough to give it some and oil temp to tell me when I've given it too much.
It's a very odd symptom. I've never come across this.
The turbo is off a Saab 9000 so it might be worth a search on that car too for this symptom?
Gauges are very very helpful, im going to have the laptop in the car also for the Link.
Nigel is going to give me a guiding hand on Sunday to sort this out.
Hopefully I have all the bits required.
Still no idea what caused it will check all the hoses throughly on Sunday.
Gauges will be on the agenda but money is tight currently.
Good luck mate hope you don't hit any issues
Shafts not only wear on the journals causing play, the blades sometimes catch the housings causing damage or even start to melt due to incorrect setup of engine
taken from a turbo rebuild website^^^^
Blockage in oil pipe was also mentioned, not sure if its relevant but may be worth checking while you have it apart
Oil can cause problems that's for sure.
And is something to keep an eye on.
My oil is changed very regularly.
Exactly what I said................................
Quote from: "carolineasb"Exactly what I said................................
I know you did Caroline.
Sorry if you felt overlooked.
Hopefully when we fully remove it Sunday we will find out for sure.
While pondering your problem I thought of the damage the pre cats can do when breaking up.
I wondered if this could be applied to a main cat with the increased pressures from a turbo.
I Googled and found a site that discusses ways to kill a new turbo.
This describes how oil can bypass the turbo and start to block the catalizer.
The back pressure generated can then push the turbine in to the housing!
I can' tdo links on my tablet but Google :
How to kill anew turbo quick part 2. Catalytic converter
But if there was movement I would expect the damage to be uniform on the turbo. One blade looks fine on the edge but bent in the middle.
I will try to explore all avenues I'm no expert but I still think something somewhere has come loose and hit the blades.
To me it's certain something has gone through the blades rather than a bearing issue to cause damage like that. Bearing failure will have caused more damage to the parts of the blades you won't be able to see until the compressor housing is removed. Is your air flow meter all intact as that's the only thing I can think of in the inlet tract?
Say something went into it would it remain in there or would it be fired through further? If further where would you expect it to ause damage next? (still gaining and exploring turbo workings myself)
My MAF is fine we cleaned it at ding day plus the car runs well all things considered.
It does indeed still run really well, be interesting to see if you notice the difference once its done.
Quote from: "1979scotte"My MAF is fine we cleaned it at ding day plus the car runs well all things considered.
Wasn't it ding day when you had the problem? , taking the maf out leaves a big entrance to your turbo... maybe a small squirrel crawled in there. Would explain the red smoke.
s:D :D s:D
haha unfortunatly the red plume was before all the maf was cleaned. Noticed it when we met up at chester zoo then travelled down to wrexham.
Quote from: "Leethesparky"Quote from: "1979scotte"My MAF is fine we cleaned it at ding day plus the car runs well all things considered.
Wasn't it ding day when you had the problem? , taking the maf out leaves a big entrance to your turbo... maybe a small squirrel crawled in there. Would explain the red smoke.
s:D :D s:D
There is always the posibility that something found it's way in whilst cleaning the MAF.
How unlucky would that be. Trying to diagnose one fault lead to causing another.
I think it happened 3 months ago tbh. There was an incident on a slip road. Blinding flash and temporary loss of power.
If I hadn't had an a rad leak I would still be driving it. Pulls like a train.
Don't worry it will be fixed soon enough mate. If you still think it's quick I would imagine it will be noticeably faster once turbo replaced. Be Interesting to find out what caused it.
Have done some reading and they reckon even a bit of rag can cause damage!!!!
I suppose they do spin a 100k rpm.
It wouldn't take much to damage blades if something got sucked in while its spinning at that sort of speed!
Aii the 230 map was quick however my brief drive of mine at 200 felt faster i defintiely think there will be an improvement.
Scotte I hope all goes well for you this weekend, I will be away from the www until Tuesday so will read your success story then.
Did you get sorted?...
Yeah I hope you've had a productive day scotte boy
Fixed.
Nightmare.
Nigel deserves many many bottles of wine.
More to follow after I have my first meal of the day.
What a gentleman..... Look forward to hearing the details
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"What a gentleman.
+lots
Just sayin'
Enjoy the food mate
Look forward to the full story
It was a fun job! s;) ;) s;) definitely not plug and play. Scott will give you the details.
Certainly, the turbo spindle ,when the turbo was removed, had end float. It looks like part of one of the blades had been touching the inside of the housing and sheared off. Could have been this that damaged the other blades, or, if the bearing was okay when last looked at, it could be the turbine spinning out of balance for a while, that has caused the bearing to show signs of wear, and something else caused the failure. Chicken and egg from what I have seen so far.
Everything that could have been a pain in the replacement, was an utter pain, plus a few more things I hadn't seen coming as well.
A very challenging operation, but we got it done. Performance is a little better now, apparently. s:) :) s:)
Glad that you got it sorted, shame it was such a PITA to fix.
Not saying anything but.....
Quote from: "Mikeymead"You say that you found the water issue, what was it? Is there end float on the compressor shaft?
....... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Well done to Nigel for coming to the rescue, top bloke. Sure Scotte was lending a hand. s:D :D s:D
I reckon scotte was on tea and biccy duty s:D :D s:D
(Which is a very important role)
I reckon he probably at on his backside and fell asleep.
Well done Nigel!
I spent plenty of time on my back but not asleep working under the car.
End float was definitely apparent especially when compared to a refurbished unit however I think it has worsened since the last time it was checked.
For anyone who is considering a new turbo for your SP or TTE kit. Don't. Remove it and send it for refurbishment. Make sure it is returned to you with everything lined up as it came off the car. Lost count of how many times we clocked it. Also had to drill the flange as it comes threaded and move the housing independently of the oil/water feeds.
Why oh why is there so much solid pipe involved. Silicon hoses would have been so much easier. Not a job for a novice. Certainly not plug and play.
Seems to have plenty more power on the low boost setting I am currently using. From the little research I have done these turbos come with a 7 psi waste gate max so it's all down to having a fully working snail.
Jackpot, is it limited, due to the turbo turbo strength/capabilities, or due to the map?
I'm temporarily back on line so have got the good news early.
Well done to the "2" of you Nigel and Scotte.
A friend in need is a friend indeed!
And I ' m sure your snail is pleased to be back at work ( what ever a snail may be in this context)!
Good job guys, glad to here the boost is better. I can imagine that's down to the cfm output has now increased.
Good news, well done lads
Quote from: "1979scotte"For anyone who is considering a new turbo for your SP or TTE kit. Don't. Remove it and send it for refurbishment
Thanks for the tip, i will send mine for refurb when the time comes rather than a replacement unit.
How much easier do you reckon it will be doing it this way in terms of time etc ?
Quote from: "1979scotte"I spent plenty of time on my back but not asleep working under the car.
End float was definitely apparent especially when compared to a refurbished unit however I think it has worsened since the last time it was checked.
For anyone who is considering a new turbo for your SP or TTE kit. Don't. Remove it and send it for refurbishment. Make sure it is returned to you with everything lined up as it came off the car. Lost count of how many times we clocked it. Also had to drill the flange as it comes threaded and move the housing independently of the oil/water feeds.
Why oh why is there so much solid pipe involved. Silicon hoses would have been so much easier. Not a job for a novice. Certainly not plug and play.
Seems to have plenty more power on the low boost setting I am currently using. From the little research I have done these turbos come with a 7 psi waste gate max so it's all down to having a fully working snail.
Well done mate, it's stressful but satisfying when you get it done.
Wish I had the time space and equipment needed to have fixed mine
Quote from: "wotugonado"Good news, well done lads
Quote from: "1979scotte"For anyone who is considering a new turbo for your SP or TTE kit. Don't. Remove it and send it for refurbishment
Thanks for the tip, i will send mine for refurb when the time comes rather than a replacement unit.
How much easier do you reckon it will be doing it this way in terms of time etc ?
Much easier.
It took Nigel and myself all day almost 9 hours I think.
Most of that time was playing with lining everything up.
You'll do it in way less time than that.
Put marks on the housing where everything needs to line up and if they send you back the same unit just refurbished you should be fine.
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "1979scotte"I spent plenty of time on my back but not asleep working under the car.
End float was definitely apparent especially when compared to a refurbished unit however I think it has worsened since the last time it was checked.
For anyone who is considering a new turbo for your SP or TTE kit. Don't. Remove it and send it for refurbishment. Make sure it is returned to you with everything lined up as it came off the car. Lost count of how many times we clocked it. Also had to drill the flange as it comes threaded and move the housing independently of the oil/water feeds.
Why oh why is there so much solid pipe involved. Silicon hoses would have been so much easier. Not a job for a novice. Certainly not plug and play.
Seems to have plenty more power on the low boost setting I am currently using. From the little research I have done these turbos come with a 7 psi waste gate max so it's all down to having a fully working snail.
Well done mate, it's stressful but satisfying when you get it done.
Wish I had the time space and equipment needed to have fixed mine
You just need your own Nigel
Good to hear you have it up and running. You gonna have work cut out now gaining the NB award.
Quote from: "Tomo70"Good to hear you have it up and running. You gonna have work cut out now gaining the NB award.
My house move is going to hold me back more than anything else. Work too.
Not missed an event due to turbo failure. Last time I checked I was in the lead.
Good to have you back dude. s:-D :-D s:-D
Glad you could both sort it and well done for your investigations and recommendations. Very helpful for the club. s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Just triple checked I'm 900 miles ahead.
Quote from: "StuC"Good to have you back dude. s:-D :-D s:-D
Glad you could both sort it and well done for your investigations and recommendations. Very helpful for the club. s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:
Thanks man.
Perhaps the info is hidden in ROC already but I couldn't find it. Probably proof that no one has ever had a TTE or SP turbo fail before in the history of the uberverse. I do like to be first but usually it's to dinner.
For what its worth, Scott got involved with this and did a lot of the work. He certainly was not the tea boy.
He worked dead hard and some details were a real scrap to get right.
It knackered me, getting too old for this!
Quote from: "loadswine"For what its worth, Scott got involved with this and did a lot of the work. He certainly was not the tea boy.
He worked dead hard and some details were a real scrap to get right.
It knackered me, getting too old for this!
That's very generous of you Nige
Top work guys!
Glad its up and running again.
Quote from: "loadswine"For what its worth, Scott got involved with this and did a lot of the work. He certainly was not the tea boy.
He worked dead hard and some details were a real scrap to get right.
It knackered me, getting too old for this!
For the record I was only joking about scotte making tea!
Lol, no worries, s:) :) s:) i was just owning up to not having done all of it. s;) ;) s;)
s:D :D s:D Good to see its all up and running again..
If Scott was helping, I feel your pain, it's horrible working all day without a tea boy..
Have cured a small coolant to turbo leak took her out on high boost and all seems fine.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Have cured a small coolant to turbo leak took her out on high boost and all seems fine.
Glade to hear that all is well with the car, one thing less to worry about now.
Well as a % or bhp whats the difference
I don't have a dyno or a rolling road but it's back to it's best.
Asking for the opinion not the fact hehe
Was on the golf course when i missed your call
Aren't you always.
No comment! Im still as crap as ever!
At answering calls, fixing cars or golf?
All of the above I guess ... Haha
Im pretty good at buying cars...
That makes two of us. You own three at the moment which beats my record of owning two at one time.
Hats off to you s;) ;) s;)
Haha Winner winner chicken dinner s:) :) s:) god id love to get the turbo on the road!
Great news on getting your car back to its best Scott,hats off to both of you on getting it sorted.
Quote from: "1979scotte"I don't have a dyno or a rolling road but it's back to it's best.
Glad to see its all sorted mate. Now you know a lot more about how everything works! s:roll: :roll: s:roll: