Much as I have loved driving my standard car for the last two years, I couldn't help but want some more power.
Having considered the options (and what other sort of car I could get for the money I would be putting into the car) I decided V6 was the way to go to suit my needs.
There are a few companies/people who do this conversion and I decided to go to Woodsport.
I have gone for the Camry non VVTI 1MZ (rather than the Lexus VVTI 1MZ) engine for a number of reasons, it's cheaper, Paul had just bought a low mileage car the day before I rang him which was available and I wasn't sure how useful VVTI would be in a torquey V6 (considering the extra cost of a grand).
After quite a time waiting for my "turn" to come up, I dropped my car off at Woodsport in Durham just over 5 weeks ago to have the new engine fitted.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/DSCN9799%20-%20Edited.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/DSCN9799%20-%20Edited.jpg.html)
So long 4 pot, its been emotional!
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/DSCN9800.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/DSCN9800.jpg.html)
It was nice to have a quick look at the cars in the workshop before Paul gave me a lift to the station.
Nice Lister Bell "stratos" 2GR engine installation just completed.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/DSCN9809.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/DSCN9809.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/DSCN9814.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/DSCN9814.jpg.html)
Black roadster awaiting a 2GR lump. If you look above the heatshield you can see where the new access panel has been cut out to be able to get to the front bank of the engine.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/DSCN9811.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/DSCN9811.jpg.html)
My new engine has only done 49000 miles and was in the corner of the workshop looking very good inside.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/DSCN9805.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/DSCN9805.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/DSCN9804.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/DSCN9804.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/DSCN9803.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/DSCN9803.jpg.html)
Paul has put a couple of progress shots on Twobrutal.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/2015-07-14%2016.06.41_zpsryaypmxx.jpeg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/2015-07-14%2016.06.41_zpsryaypmxx.jpeg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/2015-08-11%2011.44.32_zps1vuzxqqs.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/2015-08-11%2011.44.32_zps1vuzxqqs.jpg.html)
Hopefully I won't have to wait much longer to get it back and will get a few more pictures.
Thought it best to post something now in case I am too busy when I get it back!
I got all excited and thought you already had it back.
Hope you don't wait too long.
I reckon I should be near the top of the list for a ride tout suite. s;) ;) s;)
Exciting times mate! I was wondering when we'd see something after our chat at Ding Day. Look forward to seeing the progress. s:) :) s:)
Awesome just doesn't cut it! s:-D :-D s:-D
Got to say, lil bit jealous. Its the only power mod I would consider doing. Just loves the noise of V6's and their biggger brothers! s;-) ;-) s;-)
Lovely! Keep the updates coming
Outstanding! This is going to be an awesome machine! I have to have another, one day.
Dam, dam,dam and dam! Wish I hadn't seen this, going to have to go and rob a bank now s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Exciting times! I will look forward to the progress pictures.
I'm not going to follow this as its going to cost me a lot of money!
Do you know when you're picking it up yet? I'm just up the road from Woodsport but never been there.
Would like to see a conversion in the flesh so to speak!
I don't. I don't ever want to see it, hear it, feel it, dream about it... this does not exist. 1zz is the best an MR2 can be.
s:cry: :cry: s:cry: s:cry: :cry: s:cry: s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
I've just finished my 2zz conversion. Sounds cool in a raspy 4 cylinder way... I'd absolutely love to have V6 torque and sounds though!!
Quote from: "shnazzle"I don't. I don't ever want to see it, hear it, feel it, dream about it... this does not exist. 1zz is the best an MR2 can be.
s:cry: :cry: s:cry: s:cry: :cry: s:cry: s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Someone needs a cuddle.
Can I ask how many pennies ?
Quote from: "mr mr2"Can I ask how many pennies ?
More than your car is worth that's for sure.
Quote from: "1979scotte"I got all excited and thought you already had it back.
Hope you don't wait too long.
I reckon I should be near the top of the list for a ride tout suite. s;) ;) s;)
I did wonder whether I should have started the post saying I havent got it back yet!
Good to hear all the positive comments.
Yes, it is quite expensive if you think of all the pound notes but not quite so bad when you think of the total cost of the car and the hopefully low depreciation over a number of years.
If you look at the bottom of this page;
m http://www.woodsport.org/joomla/index.p ... onversions (http://www.woodsport.org/joomla/index.php/engine-conversions/8-toyota-mr2-mk3-engine-conversions-/18-mk3-mr2-engine-conversions) m
you will see "Prices for 1mz-fe V6 powered roadster conversions start at £4500 with all parts supplied and fitted."
This is for the Camry non VVTI engine and to this I have added the taller 5th gear and keeping my LSD which adds £550 to that. I have sold my old engine to them which reduces the cost a little and saves the hassle of trying to do this myself.
I will no doubt be chasing Paul later in the week trying to get a date from him!
Quote from: "Topdownman"Quote from: "1979scotte"I got all excited and thought you already had it back.
Hope you don't wait too long.
I reckon I should be near the top of the list for a ride tout suite. s;) ;) s;)
I did wonder whether I should have started the post saying I havent got it back yet!
Good to hear all the positive comments.
Yes, it is quite expensive if you think of all the pound notes but not quite so bad when you think of the total cost of the car and the hopefully low depreciation over a number of years.
If you look at the bottom of this page;
m http://www.woodsport.org/joomla/index.p ... onversions (http://www.woodsport.org/joomla/index.php/engine-conversions/8-toyota-mr2-mk3-engine-conversions-/18-mk3-mr2-engine-conversions) m
you will see "Prices for 1mz-fe V6 powered roadster conversions start at £4500 with all parts supplied and fitted."
This is for the Camry non VVTI engine and to this I have added the taller 5th gear and keeping my LSD which adds £550 to that. I have sold my old engine to them which reduces the cost a little and saves the hassle of trying to do this myself.
I will no doubt be chasing Paul later in the week trying to get a date from him!
after everything I've spent on the 2zz conversion, that really is quite reasonable for a V6
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"after everything I've spent on the 2zz conversion, that really is quite reasonable for a V6
Fuel and maintenance costs will be higher than yours tho... Also you have gone 'track friendly' with your build too
Not knocking the V6 one bit tho.. 1mz or 1mz vvti is the perfect engine for a roadster IMO, its just the modding of the chassis/subframe I couldn't bring myself to do to mine s:( :( s:(
Love reading Pauls builds, I'm sure you will love yours when you get it back s:D :D s:D
It is indeed! I reckon that's still a HELL of a lot of car for what (for me) be a total of about 9k, excluding the cash I'd get back from selling stock engine and parts.
So a total bill of about 8.5k for car+v6 conversion.... find me another car for 8.5k with that much brute power and handling prowess. I dare you.
Well done on your decision. Would have been amazing to see this thing live on Sunday. Next time gadget,..next time
and StuC...I do need that cuddle. In the meantime I'll just cradle myself in the corner of the room miming "a 1zz is fine"
Quote from: "shnazzle"So a total bill of about 8.5k for car+v6 conversion.... find me another car for 8.5k with that much brute power and handling prowess. I dare you.
And 2zz conversion with some cams. A 1zz turbo, a K20 swap, that's the MR2 options. A Boxster S, VX220 that is mildly tuned, etc.
I really can't understand why anyone uses this engine. A Toyota Camry needs torque but a sub 1000kg sports car doesn't, it needs revs.
I do appreciate there is some logical truth to that. A light car won't need much torque to get it going, and maybe the v6 is a bit overkill on torque for the weight of the MR2. But judging by how the MR2 behaves with a torque-heavy engine on a track, it seems to handle it very well. I'm referring to the 3.5 v6 track conversion we all know and love.
Quote from: "Escy"I really can't understand why anyone uses this engine. A Toyota Camry needs torque but a sub 1000kg sports car doesn't, it needs revs.
A torquey engine is just one with power at lower rpm. 1mz, 2zz, K20, 1zz turbo all make *broadly speaking* the same peak power. Given this, I don't get how one can be appropriate and another not; with the V6 you can just use more mid range for the same progress instead of revving the c0ck off a 2zz. In my view, each engine has the following +ve or -ve points:
1mz
+
torque
sound
-
weight
installation
2zz
+
installation
-
tunability
K20
+
tuneability
-
installation
1zz turbo
+
spread of power
-
heat management
tuneability (limited by rods etc)
For a road car that doesn't need to be batsh
it crazy, but the owner enjoys the noise of a V6 with the roof down, and occasionally yipping it sideways off a roundabout, a 1mz sounds a perfect choice.
*EDIT*
Topdownman, I got carried away replying to Escy's post and forgot to say well done for kicking this off, and I can't wait to see it completed!
I did email whifbitz to see what they would charge for fitting a turbo and that price (without a clutch change) was £4266. To my mind that doesnt stack up against the V6 and would potentially lead to more expense due to stressing other components. The V6 has new clutch, radiator, stainless exhaust and cat. It should only require oil and filter changes for years I hope! Paul tells me this engine once won the engine of the year award which was good to hear as I am pretty sure the 1ZZ never did that!!
I am not looking for a high revving engine and thats why I havent considered 2ZZ etc. I did test drive a Z4 and found it heavy and no fun to drive, I dont think I would get much of a boxster for that money plus there is the risk of big porsche bills which I dont fancy. I do like the look of the VX220 but never actually considered one of them tbh as I cant imagine that as a daily driver. This is my main car, not a weekend plaything or track car and I am going for what will suit me best. I appreciate its not the fastest or a particularly tune-able engine but thats fine for me.
I did like this quote when i heard it, "Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races."-Enzo Ferrari.
Quote from: "Topdownman""Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.".
-Carroll Shelby
I thought it was a bit odd that Enzo would say that...
Sounds spot on for your requirements then mate!
To me, the only cheap conversion is a DIY 2zz; if you're not doing it yourself then I think the costs become largely similar... if you can afford £5k you can probably stretch to £7k, and really it comes down to what you want as the end product.
If someone said to me "Cost is the same and you get 190bhp - do you prefer it to sing like a V6 or scream like 4 pot?" I'd got for the V6 every time.
looks great topdownman
will be a ace car once done s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
cheers tommy
Quote from: "frootloops"Quote from: "Topdownman""Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.".
-Carroll Shelby
Ooops! I couldnt remember who said it so googled it and thats what the 1st post said!
Quote from: "jonty"Sounds spot on for your requirements then mate!
To me, the only cheap conversion is a DIY 2zz; if you're not doing it yourself then I think the costs become largely similar... if you can afford £5k you can probably stretch to £7k, and really it comes down to what you want as the end product.
If someone said to me "Cost is the same and you get 190bhp - do you prefer it to sing like a V6 or scream like 4 pot?" I'd got for the V6 every time.
Yes, when you are paying someone to do the work then the costs do seem to be fairly similar so I guess the key is getting the right option for you.
Which I hope I have done!
I'd love the chance to drive one of these to see what they actually drive like. I'd be worried the extra weight may ruin the car, although it's an aluminium block isn't it? How much more does the engine actually weigh?
Anyway it looks to be an interesting project, even if it isn't what I'd do with 9k.
Quote from: "jonty"If someone said to me "Cost is the same and you get 190bhp - do you prefer it to sing like a V6 or scream like 4 pot?" I'd got for the V6 every time.
Amen to that!
I understand that the engine is about 20 kg more than the 1ZZ. All the comments I have read have said the weight gain has not been an issue.
My battery will be moved to the froot which would help with weight distribution apart from the fact that this means I lose the spare wheel and its weight!
I may look at moving the tool kit in there as well to move some weight forward to try to compensate a bit.
Relocation of the battery and a much lighter exhaust system should pretty much take care of it them.
Can the battery be relocated underneath the spare wheel and the alarm moved elsewhere?
Think it goes to the passenger side of the box, the stock back box will loose you about half of that 20kg alone.
Quote from: "frootloops"Relocation of the battery and a much lighter exhaust system should pretty much take care of it them.
Can the battery be relocated underneath the spare wheel and the alarm moved elsewhere?
There are 3 options I was offered as it needs to be moved because there is no room, battery in bottom of froot so no spare wheel,(I imagine they would have tried to keep the spare at some stage previously?) in the bin behind the driver or on top of the rear subframe. Not keen on the last 2 options personally so an easy decision.
I hope you are right about the exhaust, that would be a bonus!
If you only like yours half as much as I like mine, you will still like it more than you can imagine.
There is no weight problem. No handling quirks.
There is stunning torque which is fantastic. It's wonderful to drive. Oh and the sound,..
Congratulations!
Honestly not only is the stock exhaust massive but it does way a tonne.
As far as weight is concerned, it really is not an issue. My old v6, the first one done in Europe, used the heavier engine and that was fine, so this lighter lump should really give the best of both worlds.
As for torque requirements, in everyday driving, it just satisfies like other conversions don't. I have had four turbos, and they had torque, but very different power delivery. I didn't enjoy them as much. The 2zz never really attracted me, due to its lack of torque, but may well be useful on track. Torque not required on a car weighing a ton? Oh yes it is, as it makes a good car feel a whole lot better. Of course, personal preference comes into it, but there is no feeling like wafting through superb country roads, with that superb note just behind you and the promise of instant urge from just pressing the throttle! s:) :) s:)
FUCK SAKE! That's settled it. If I wasn't hankering for an MR2 recently I am now. As of October, when my bonus is paid, I'm on the hunt for an Mr2 that I can V6 swap! Does anyone know if woodsport take credit card? s:) :) s:)
Anyone fancy an Elise? s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Jrichards20"**** SAKE! That's settled it. If I wasn't hankering for an MR2 recently I am now. As of October, when my bonus is paid, I'm on the hunt for an Mr2 that I can V6 swap! Does anyone know if woodsport take credit card? s:) :) s:)
Anyone fancy an Elise? s:) :) s:)
That loadswine is so poetic s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Joesson"Quote from: "Jrichards20"**** SAKE! That's settled it. If I wasn't hankering for an MR2 recently I am now. As of October, when my bonus is paid, I'm on the hunt for an Mr2 that I can V6 swap! Does anyone know if woodsport take credit card? s:) :) s:)
Anyone fancy an Elise? s:) :) s:)
That loadswine is so poetic s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: I've told the other half its Nigel's fault s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Jrichards20"**** SAKE! That's settled it. If I wasn't hankering for an MR2 recently I am now. As of October, when my bonus is paid, I'm on the hunt for an Mr2 that I can V6 swap! Does anyone know if woodsport take credit card? s:) :) s:)
Anyone fancy an Elise? s:) :) s:)
Lotus independent where I get my 2 serviced says prices are on the rise !
Quote from: "frootloops"Relocation of the battery and a much lighter exhaust system should pretty much take care of it them.
Can the battery be relocated underneath the spare wheel and the alarm moved elsewhere?
(http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p704/tjobrien72/77126587-FD84-4575-9053-CCDB66AE1693_zpsi59rfrr2.jpg) (http://s1347.photobucket.com/user/tjobrien72/media/77126587-FD84-4575-9053-CCDB66AE1693_zpsi59rfrr2.jpg.html)
It can all be squeezed in but you might need a smaller battery. Alarm relocated to top right of pic.
Paul is in the process of sourcing me an RX300 donor at present. Really hoping to get things done this calendar year but his waiting times are long. Kind of glad to hear it though - he deserves the long line of people. His work is that good!!
Topdownman - that was definitely your car up on the ramps when I went in. Yours on the right and a black 2 on the left getting a 2GR. Really looking forward to pics of the finished engine bay on this one. Colour scheme seems to be what I was looking for too!
and yes - Woodsport do take credit cards!
Quote from: "TiM3"Quote from: "frootloops"Relocation of the battery and a much lighter exhaust system should pretty much take care of it them.
Can the battery be relocated underneath the spare wheel and the alarm moved elsewhere?
(http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p704/tjobrien72/77126587-FD84-4575-9053-CCDB66AE1693_zpsi59rfrr2.jpg) (http://s1347.photobucket.com/user/tjobrien72/media/77126587-FD84-4575-9053-CCDB66AE1693_zpsi59rfrr2.jpg.html)
It can all be squeezed in but you might need a smaller battery. Alarm relocated to top right of pic.
Nicely done & very neat. Would a small battery like that be ok to crank a v6?
Don't know to be honest, they're meant to be more powerful the the equivalent traditional battery. The specs on the odyssey website tell you what size engine and cold cranking amps etc. there is space probably for the next size up too, you definitely couldn't do it with the stock battery though.
To me torque is of the utmost importance.
The V6 conversions provide it in spades from tick over.
The 1mz converted car I was taken for a ride in accelerated like a bat out of hell.
My turbo was probably quicker at the top end but can't compete lower down the Rev range.
Once I've moved house and the Mrs is docile i may well look into this again.
Sounds good chaps!
I drove my 2zz for the first time yesterday on the way to MOT station; only up to 4k rpm as it's got new main/BE bearings, and man is it loud through the firewall. I am missing the cubby boxes and covers at the moment which really isn't helping, but if they don't sufficiently reduce the noise I can see it being rather intrusive when on the cruise... when giving it full beans I bet the 2zz will scream wonderfully and have a huge grin slapped on my face, but a quieter and more tuneful V6 song would definitely go down nicely for the daily commute!
... I never thought I would say this, but I may even invest in some dynamat type stuff for the firewall.....
Quote from: "jonty"Sounds good chaps!
I drove my 2zz for the first time yesterday on the way to MOT station; only up to 4k rpm as it's got new main/BE bearings, and man is it loud through the firewall. I am missing the cubby boxes and covers at the moment which really isn't helping, but if they don't sufficiently reduce the noise I can see it being rather intrusive when on the cruise... when giving it full beans I bet the 2zz will scream wonderfully and have a huge grin slapped on my face, but a quieter and more tuneful V6 song would definitely go down nicely for the daily commute!
... I never thought I would say this, but I may even invest in some dynamat type stuff for the firewall.....
I'm looking to do the same!
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I'm looking to do the same!
I turned 30 this weekend just gone... didn't realize I would feel the effects quite so fast!!
I feel your pain lol
Quote from: "jonty"Quote from: "Meeerrrk"I'm looking to do the same!
I turned 30 this weekend just gone... didn't realize I would feel the effects quite so fast!!
6 years ahead of you staring 40 in the face.
Quote from: "1979scotte"6 years ahead of you staring 40 in the face.
Same here s:( :( s:(
I just never thought I would see the day I had anything to do with sound insulation, other than stripping it ...
Ear defenders jonty, it's the way forward!
Just had an update from Paul, current situation;
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/V6/attachment.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/V6/attachment.jpg.html)
Still to do...
Wiring, gear selector assembly, driveshaft supported bearing bracket, rear torque mount and full exhaust system.
Could still be another 3 weeks unfortunately but its coming along.
Looking good!!
Yep, looks fab!
I haven't commented on this thread so far down to pure jealousy, however I'll step out the shadows now, admit it, & say I hope it turns out perfect s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Topdownman"Could still be another 3 weeks unfortunately but its coming along.
3 weeks will pass in no time. Give me a shout when you go to pick it up. Love to see it in the flesh! s:bounce: :bounce: s:bounce:
Why are your 2zz conversions so noisey compared to the standard car? Is it the exhaust or just general engine noise?
Well instead of reving to 6.7 it goes to 8k cars loud enough at 6.
Quote from: "lamcote"Why are your 2zz conversions so noisey compared to the standard car? Is it the exhaust or just general engine noise?
Because I have removed all interior! The engine is very close to the very thin bulkhead and there is nothing other than that between my ears and the engine
Quote from: "lamcote"Why are your 2zz conversions so noisey compared to the standard car? Is it the exhaust or just general engine noise?
Because sucking in 130 Litres of air a second and exhausting 1,500 litres of exhaust tends to be a noisy process, and it's all happening directly behind your left ear hole. s:P :P s:P
Thanks Meeerrrk.
Regarding the comments about noise being caused by reving to 8k and sucking in 130l of air, you will note the comments about excessive noise related to driving at less than 4000 revs. At this level the 2zz is not doing anything that the 1zz can't in terms of revs or air flow, hence my question.
Can I assume that it is the stripped out interior that is the problem and that a standard interior with a 2zz would be reasonably civilised, (until you go into lift!).
Correct s:) :) s:)
I just done 2500 miles in sandras one as for noise no change from the 1zz apart from the roar when goes in to lift would do it again but ask andy with a 2gr about noise on mk3 with tops down there both the same but tops up is a different story . Both cars have full interior .
Quote from: "lamcote"Thanks Meeerrrk.
Regarding the comments about noise being caused by reving to 8k and sucking in 130l of air, you will note the comments about excessive noise related to driving at less than 4000 revs. At this level the 2zz is not doing anything that the 1zz can't in terms of revs or air flow, hence my question.
Can I assume that it is the stripped out interior that is the problem and that a standard interior with a 2zz would be reasonably civilised, (until you go into lift!).
As I said it's all because there is no interior trim
yeah I agree with Mark, mine is because of chavy cone filter and rear cubby covers missing
Quote from: "headcase"I just done 2500 miles in sandras one as for noise no change from the 1zz apart from the roar when goes in to lift would do it again but ask andy with a 2gr about noise on mk3 with tops down there both the same but tops up is a different story . Both cars have full interior .
It's ok for a country blast but when driving 6+ hrs straight, ear plugs are required!
In my opinion the 2zz is the correct conversion for the mk3
It does depend, as with a 1zz, about getting the choice of exhaust correct if relaxed cruising, top down , is a priority.
I am talking about the V6 here, as that is what the thread is focussed on.
Difficult choice to get spot on, as stock Roadster systems may have smaller diameter pipework to the manifolds and downpipes of the v6 chosen. My old one had a Magnex, which worked really well, but no longer available new.
I like the Fox systems, which are superb on the 1zz, but not sure how well they would marry up with, say, a 1mz.
Quote from: "ayresyboy"Quote from: "headcase"I just done 2500 miles in sandras one as for noise no change from the 1zz apart from the roar when goes in to lift would do it again but ask andy with a 2gr about noise on mk3 with tops down there both the same but tops up is a different story . Both cars have full interior .
It's ok for a country blast but when driving 6+ hrs straight, ear plugs are required!
I think the issue with the 2GR is that it needs big pipework both sides, making it a bit full on unless you go for heavy, restrictive and complex solutions. I think Nige's 3VZ is the best sounding V6 I've experienced. I've driven a 1mz powered roadster that I think had a TTE exhaust, that was quite civilised. The 2GR on a huge inlet and open 3" exhaust is very full on and east plugs are a must.
Just realised that you have a picture of mine on the first page,
mine being the black one. s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "webbys1"Just realised that you have a picture of mine on the first page,
mine being the black one. s:D :D s:D
Was yours the one in for a 2GR?
Quote from: "nadeemxb"Quote from: "webbys1"Just realised that you have a picture of mine on the first page,
mine being the black one. s:D :D s:D
Was yours the one in for a 2GR?
Yea that's mine it's installed now and running but will be a few weeks before i get it back.
I'm booked in for January/February if we can get a car s:o :o s:o !
Awesome , good man!
Quote from: "webbys1"Just realised that you have a picture of mine on the first page,
mine being the black one. s:D :D s:D
Glad to hear it was a forum members car!
This will be your engine then...
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN9812.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN9812.jpg.html)
Quote from: "Jrichards20"I'm booked in for January/February if we can get a car s:o :o s:o !
Thats great news. Lexus engine?
Quote from: "Topdownman"Quote from: "Jrichards20"I'm booked in for January/February if we can get a car s:o :o s:o !
Thats great news. Lexus engine?
Yep Lexus vvti s:) :) s:) problem is coming up to winter obvious everyone wants a 4x4 so prices could potentially go up, so he advised may be better to wait till after Christmas to get engine or look now. And god knows how long my engine will last so thought its best to get it out of the way now s;) ;) s;)
Thanks for the picture Topdownman I never got to see it at this stage.
Theres a guy called Hudster in Warrington with a 2gr and he loves it. lotus use this engine in a car that weighs about the same as the 2
Yeah but the evora has far better suspension chassis wheels brakes. It's. 50+K car. It's designed to be able to put the power down. The mr2 sadly isn't s:( :( s:( one of the reasons, apart from money, that I didn't go 2gr is its going to be an absolute handful! Will catch you out just like the old 911s with all that power at the back and not enough tech keeping it on the road
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Yeah but the evora has far better suspension chassis wheels brakes. It's. 50+K car. It's designed to be able to put the power down. The mr2 sadly isn't s:( :( s:( one of the reasons, apart from money, that I didn't go 2gr is its going to be an absolute handful! Will catch you out just like the old 911s with all that power at the back and not enough tech keeping it on the road
They arnt as bad as you would think or the one I drove wasn't. . I recon matts track car would be worse
Kind of agree Dave but Matts is set up for track in every single way.
2GR means you have to pay attention. I'm running a very short ratio final drive, acceleration is vivid, in the dry you can light the rears up in 3rd if you snap the throttle open quickly, over yumps and bumps it can break traction in 5th. The viscous diff makes it all very controllable, wet or dry. I have stock wheels with R888 mediums, BC 4/6kg coilovers, yellow stuff pads, Goodrich lines, corky bracing.
What it forces you to do is work your brain. Managing the traction adds another dimension to the driving experience, the way it gains speed is a bit intense by car standards, but anyone used to big bikes would find it fine. On the plus side, the extra grunt opens up a whole new realm of throttle adjustability, both on and off throttle (engine braking is much stronger than with the 1.8 )
What I will say is that for all the extra go over a high output SP turbo kit, the 2GR is actually easier to handle due to the nature of the throttle response (with the Link ECU at any rate).
Too much power? No. Tricky when pushed? Definitely, but that is what makes it so rewarding. 2GR- love it!
Sounds epic s:D :D s:D
2GR - Sign me up!!
I'm thankful I haven't seen / heard or driven a v6 roadster otherwise I would of been on the woodsport waiting list by now!
Quote from: "s12vea"I'm thankful I haven't seen / heard or driven a v6 roadster otherwise I would of been on the woodsport waiting list by now!
Surely it's only a matter of time?
I'm more than happy with mine at the moment which helps. But knowing that selling my low mileage engine and box plus tte turbo kit would cover a fair chunk of the cost makes it tempting.... Lol.
Let's hope I don't have a passenger ride
Quote from: "s12vea"I'm more than happy with mine at the moment which helps. But knowing that selling my low mileage engine and box plus tte turbo kit would cover a fair chunk of the cost makes it tempting.... Lol.
Let's hope I don't have a passenger ride
do it
do it
do it....
Dibs on your turbo!
Please dont encourage me :-s
I've signed up steve, topdownman has signed up and is in progress, I think you should join the party, you don't want to be left out do you?
Quote from: "s12vea"makes it tempting.... Lol.
Let's hope I don't have a passenger ride
And so it starts. s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I don't suppose Mr Woodsport does easy credit facilities s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "StuC"Quote from: "s12vea"makes it tempting.... Lol.
Let's hope I don't have a passenger ride
And so it starts. s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I'm staying strong!
Until I'm taken out in a v6 s:) :) s:)
Didn't you go and look around a V6 before buying greenie?
I was trying to view the yellow one but communication was great between me and the seller.
Stu you should be pleased the greenie is still in my ownership lol.
Could a v6 make my perfect roadster even better?!?!?!!
I did give you the ownership badge. Do I need to do another one now? s;-) ;-) s;-)
I thought there was a silver one locally that you were going to look at?
Quote from: "s12vea"I was trying to view the yellow one but communication was great between me and the seller.
Stu you should be pleased the greenie is still in my ownership lol.
Could a v6 make my perfect roadster even better?!?!?!!
I think it might s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "StuC"I did give you the ownership badge. Do I need to do another one now? s;-) ;-) s;-)
I thought there was a silver one locally that you were going to look at?
I don't remember a silver one?
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Quote from: "s12vea"I was trying to view the yellow one but communication was great between me and the seller.
Stu you should be pleased the greenie is still in my ownership lol.
Could a v6 make my perfect roadster even better?!?!?!!
I think it might s;) ;) s;)
Doh! Lol s:) :) s:)
Allow me to show you the dark side Steve. s:D :D s:D
[youtube:2ln2ol57]0X9rra14Gzg[/youtube:2ln2ol57]
Do you want a roadster that sounds like a Countach? Yes you do.
Can you achieve this sound with your current Turbo car? No you can't.
Do you want to buy a 2GR and sell your turbo kit to SuperArt? Yes you do.
Don't worry about Patrick's dibs. He'll be on an all expenses paid trip to the Americas and won't be in the country to collect anyway. Don't tell him I'm sending him to Mexico though - he might not get on that plane!
Now I wouldn't want to start a bidding war s;) ;) s;)
What? I'm going to Mexico?
Aaayyaaayyaayyyyyyyy!
When do I leave? Sod your stupid turbo haha
Just a quick update, progress has been slowed down by Pauls mechanic leaving for another job.
Exhaust position being confirmed before welding.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/2015-09-22252012.06.505b15d.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/2015-09-22252012.06.505b15d.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/2015-09-22252014.59.355b15d.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/2015-09-22252014.59.355b15d.jpg.html)
Hopefully only a couple of weeks now...
Exciting
Nice bit of fabrication there, looking good!
Very nice! What colour scheme did you go for, is it a hint of red I see in there? s:) :) s:) Making me more excited about mine s:) :) s:)
We will have to do another South meet up for Christmas so we can hear this baby!
Haha, should get it back in time for winter!
The valve covers red, the plenum sable and throttle bodies matt black.
Is the exhaust routing over the top of the gearbox for the front bank?
Quote from: "StuC"Is the exhaust routing over the top of the gearbox for the front bank?
Doubt it dude
Looks high in that picture and I couldn't see the y-section on the underside of the engine. That's what made me ask, as it looks unusual from that angle.
Any update? Its been two weeks since? s:) :) s:) Also, can I ask, why did you decide to keep the LSD? I'm in two minds about it s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Any update? Its been two weeks since? s:) :) s:) Also, can I ask, why did you decide to keep the LSD? I'm in two minds about it s:( :( s:(
Well, apparently it sounds gorgeous! Things continue to be delayed by Paul being on his own but I am hoping that he will give me a date soon.
Re the LSD, there were a few reasons why I went for it, I spoke to Nige about his old V6 and he reckoned the LSD was good to have even on the road and that he had had a couple of occasions where it helped him, I didnt want to limit its resale value in the future by not having one and finally, Mr T fitted one to a 1.8 so I thought they must have seen a need for it.
Its a tricky one as its a fair chunk of cash and you may never notice it but I thought at the end of the day I didnt want to regret not having one so best just to keep it!
On the options for what is sounds like. What were you given? I.e note sound, decibel sound etc etc??
He needs to record a video so we can hear it. Shame about the delay, guess this is going to cause a further delay to mine. Especially if yours is taken almost 2 months to fit. And mine wont be going in for a couple of months I guess. How long after you had the engine delivered did you send the car up there?
Yeah I just don't know... I like the idea of being able to put the power down quicker out of the corner, but I also like the idea of having less of a chance of causing oversteer from flooring it out of a corner. Also pulling out from a junction with an LSD should be easier and safer. This isn't going to spend much time on the track, but will spend a lot of time "progressing" through my local twisties and hairpins. I've been told I wont miss it on the road, but I will miss it on the track. But when people think of the road are they regarding day to day driving, or a fast blast through the countryside... Wish there was a clear answer lol!
The sound options were really a conversation about what I wanted and then it is up to Paul to interpret that! I asked for quiet (as I dont want the sound to stop me wanting to drive for long periods of time or wake up the neighbours) but I am expecting it to sound louder than standard.
Yes, my car has taken a lot longer than expected. I imagine replacing someone with experience of engine conversions is going to be a headache so can imagine it will push back the waiting list and conversion time if Paul is doing everything himself.
I would have thought that the coming out of junctions is probably where you would notice an LSD the most as you dont want to be in the middle of the road spinning your wheels!
However you look at it, the V6 is always going to be more likely to need the LSD than the 1zz. The cost of it will be forgotten as soon as you get the car back but the lack of an LSD could bug you and may stay with you if you decide you want one later. I didnt ask if one could be retro fitted so may be worth asking that question if you are still undecided but that would obviously be more cost and hassle as at the very least you would need to buy a new gearbox to get the LSD.
I'm sure it will be worth the wait, I can't wait to see the finished article. Not forgetting hearing the V6 loveliness
Josh, get the LSD, you'll regret it other wise.
Quote from: "Topdownman"...Re the LSD, there were a few reasons why I went for it, I spoke to Nige about his old V6 and he reckoned the LSD was good to have even on the road and that he had had a couple of occasions where it helped him, I didnt want to limit its resale value in the future by not having one and finally, Mr T fitted one to a 1.8 so I thought they must have seen a need for it...
Good decision on the LSD! I had an open diff with my 2GR swap when I got it. It would prematurely scrub the RH tire bald with street driving. I installed an LSD (so I got to experience the car with both setups). The car is much nicer with the LSD. It accelerates much better in slow speed sharp turns. Very satisfying to be able to gas it coming out of a sharp turn and the car will move, instead of squeal one tire. I've not have any problems breaking tires loose - by mistake.
Quote from: "Topdownman"I would have thought that the coming out of junctions is probably where you would notice an LSD the most as you dont want to be in the middle of the road spinning your wheels!
Did you not have that issue with your 1zz? I know I do. s;-) ;-) s;-)
Quote from: "cyclehead"Quote from: "Topdownman"...Re the LSD, there were a few reasons why I went for it, I spoke to Nige about his old V6 and he reckoned the LSD was good to have even on the road and that he had had a couple of occasions where it helped him, I didnt want to limit its resale value in the future by not having one and finally, Mr T fitted one to a 1.8 so I thought they must have seen a need for it...
Good decision on the LSD! I had an open diff with my 2GR swap when I got it. It would prematurely scrub the RH tire bald with street driving. I installed an LSD (so I got to experience the car with both setups). The car is much nicer with the LSD. It accelerates much better in slow speed sharp turns. Very satisfying to be able to gas it coming out of a sharp turn and the car will move, instead of squeal one tire. I've not have any problems breaking tires loose - by mistake.
There you go Josh, the voice of experience......
Quote from: "StuC"Quote from: "Topdownman"I would have thought that the coming out of junctions is probably where you would notice an LSD the most as you dont want to be in the middle of the road spinning your wheels!
Did you not have that issue with your 1zz? I know I do. s;-) ;-) s;-)
Hooligan!
Who's lending me £550 then!?
Seriously, thanks a lot though, very helpful! Much appreciated!
Sorry to hijack your thread mate, you can have it back now s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Topdownman"Quote from: "StuC"Quote from: "Topdownman"I would have thought that the coming out of junctions is probably where you would notice an LSD the most as you dont want to be in the middle of the road spinning your wheels!
Did you not have that issue with your 1zz? I know I do. s;-) ;-) s;-)
Hooligan!
Yellows have more power, this is an established fact. It would be a shame not to use it.
Get the LSD. With a good inlet and exhaust, you are going to be in at around 200 lb/ft and the diff will really help keep it hooked up. Remember, with the bigger engine comes a greater rotating mass, which can also help break traction as the clutch comes up.
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Who's lending me £550 then!?
Seriously, thanks a lot though, very helpful! Much appreciated!
Sorry to hijack your thread mate, you can have it back now s:) :) s:)
I would rather spend your money than mine.
You're welcome, sadly not too much happening on the thread at the mo!
Its finished!
I had it trailered down in the end rather than go and pick it up and it got dropped off at 7.15 am yesterday.
Took it out for 40 miles last night and 180 today. Too busy to take any photos of the engine bay but I am sure I will get round to that soon.
First impressions are the driving experience is quite a bit different! Overtaking is suddenly not so much of a challenge and going hard up through the gears is almost brutal (in a good way). The noise is something else, a low lazy rumble at low revs, nice burble on the overrun and a scream at high rpm. I went for the "quiet" option and there is a lot of noise in the car at motorway speed, probably not the best for long trips if I am honest. I cant imagine what the loud option would be like!
Think I might go for a little drive again tomorrow!
Quote from: "Topdownman"Its finished!
Think I might go for a little drive again tomorrow!
That' s your tomorrow's sorted for a while.
Glad your first impressions impressed.
Enjoy.
m http://www.auritech.co.uk/universal-fit/music/ (http://www.auritech.co.uk/universal-fit/music/) m
May come in handy! V6 noise, it's addictive yes?
What are the gear changes like then? Assuming you've gone from 6 to 5 speed I was wondering if any of the gears were hard to access. I know the gear cages are slightly different between 5 and 6 speed cars and using the wrong cage in a standard car makes certain changes difficult. Is that an issue with these conversions?
How exciting! Video video video s:) :) s:) also of the exhaust from the outside please s:) :) s:) any niggles that need sorting out? Or all good?
Great to see that you finally have it back. s:-D :-D s:-D
I look forward to hearing it in the future. s:-D :-D s:-D
Not jealous... At all...
Glad to hear that it's finished and that you're pleased with it.
Like StuC, not jealous......Really!!
good stuff, can't wait to see photos and videos!
Bags, first dibs on a ride, should we meet in the future.
I'm sure I've already got first dibs Jason.
Glad you're pleased with her Simon.
Bring her to the Xmas brew 13th December.
Quote from: "Topdownman"...I went for the "quiet" option and there is a lot of noise in the car at motorway speed, probably not the best for long trips if I am honest. I cant imagine what the loud option would be like...
I do an hour-long commute twice a day. I got a pair of noise-cancelling earbuds on Amazon that are very nice. They cut out much of the white noise - tires, wind, engine rumble etc. Not sure if you can wear stuff like that, around here nobody cares. I drive past county Sheriff and State Highway patrol cars all the time with the top down, and earbuds in place. None of them give me a second glance.
Quote from: "1979scotte"I'm sure I've already got first dibs Jason.
Glad you're pleased with her Simon.
Bring her to the Xmas brew 13th December.
As we move closer to panto season. Oooh no you haven't.
(Actualy, I recall you have, but lets skip over that)
Brilliant stuff Simon, I am excited for you! s:) :) s:) A V6 Roadster is a special piece of kit, I am sitting here at breakfast, trying to think up ways of financing a swap for mine! Enjoy matey! s8) 8) s8)
Sounds great, look forward to seeing in the flesh. Enjoy
The gear cage is my original 6 speed one and it is now a 5 speed. I am using a weighted gearknob (375gms iirc) and the change is not perfect, it takes some effort to get it out of gear although I dont think I have missed a fast gear-change yet which I would probably have done in the old car. I was a bit worried that the clutch might be heavy but it isnt at all, you have to be a bit careful manoeuvring at low speed/parking because it does bite quickly. It does get off the line well though!
Not uploaded any videos before and it would be a tablet one so not sure how good the mic would be but will see if I can come up with something. Photos soon hopefully.
Interesting that two of you are suggesting ear protection!
I am happy to take you out for a spin (not sure mid dec the best time of year?!). Rides are at your own risk though. It may prove very expensive to you!
Quote from: "Topdownman"Interesting that two of you are suggesting ear protection!
I am happy to take you out for a spin (not sure mid dec the best time of year?!). Rides are at your own risk though. It may prove very expensive to you!
My 2gr is on solid engine mounts and an open exhaust with a short ratio diff that also generates gear noise on account of the tooth angles. Ear plugs are a must!
Passenger rides in V6 roadsters may seriously damage your wealth.
OOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH happy days s:) :) s:)
Dont know how you have waited this long.
Im struggling at 3 weeks with my car ha.
Quote from: "Topdownman"Its finished!
I had it trailered down in the end rather than go and pick it up and it got dropped off at 7.15 am yesterday.
Took it out for 40 miles last night and 180 today. Too busy to take any photos of the engine bay but I am sure I will get round to that soon.
First impressions are the driving experience is quite a bit different! Overtaking is suddenly not so much of a challenge and going hard up through the gears is almost brutal (in a good way). The noise is something else, a low lazy rumble at low revs, nice burble on the overrun and a scream at high rpm. I went for the "quiet" option and there is a lot of noise in the car at motorway speed, probably not the best for long trips if I am honest. I cant imagine what the loud option would be like!
Think I might go for a little drive again tomorrow!
That's great to hear. Was hoping to see and hear it when it was up here. But I'm sure Paul will be able to help with that if and when I go down that route. Think I'll have to pop in there soon - but that will seriously make me want one even more! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
nice 1 buddy bet is a beast, after owning a v6 alfa in the past, i can only imagine this must be a rocket ship, cant beat the sound of a v6, there's no replacement for displacement s:) :) s:)
cheers tommy
Glad you're enjoying it, welcome to the mrv club. I can't tell you how brilliant it is once you get used to it. I wouldn't sell mine for the world.
OK, so here are some pics....
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN9935.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN9935.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN9947.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN9947.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN9938.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN9938.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN9933.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN9933.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN9951.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN9951.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN9943.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN9943.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN9953.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN9953.jpg.html)
Niceeee s:) :) s:) ))
Am i or am i not seeing a much larger sub frame, cant make my mind up!
Very nice. Just need to see and hear a video now s;) ;) s;)
All looks very clean and tidy. s:-D :-D s:-D
Little surprised to see that there doesn't appear to be any cross bracing between the towers. I would have thought it would be needed more as the rear subby has undergone surgery.
How does the back end feel in terms of stiffness or is it too early to tell?
Wonder if strut brace at the top would put more pressure on the bottom?
Quote from: "StuC"All looks very clean and tidy. s:-D :-D s:-D
Little surprised to see that there doesn't appear to be any cross bracing between the towers. I would have thought it would be needed more as the rear subby has undergone surgery.
How does the back end feel in terms of stiffness or is it too early to tell?
It's the one thing that puts me off the v6. A fare bit is cut out and nothing much is added.
The rear subframe has been trimmed a lot more than others I have seen. I guess the rear bracing and drip plate? have been removed because the new engine is much taller and there is no room for them to fit now.
Can I feel it? I would say yes I can, its a bit like the difference when you fit a mid brace only its possibly more noticeable and going the wrong way this time! I am not sure if there is a way of adding extra bracing on the rear, I would certainly consider adding some if anyone has any ideas?
Perhaps it's worth a convo with woodsport about it.
I didn't mean to pee on your parade btw Simon. Just saying what I see.
Do you know how much space there is between the engine and lid?
Just wondering if there is a custom box section solution in there somewhere.
When I get a chance, I'll be looking at making something up to fit around the sides of the V6 to replace the upper cross brace. Have to say, the Rogue conversion with 2GR only takes a nibble from the lower cross member. As far as rigidity goes, is feels as solid as stock.
My only thoughts were that looks like far more was removed than required, the only thing close to fouling looks like the exhaust but that would be easily redirected id imagine.
Quote from: "StuC"Perhaps it's worth a convo with woodsport about it.
I didn't mean to pee on your parade btw Simon. Just saying what I see.
Do you know how much space there is between the engine and lid?
Just wondering if there is a custom box section solution in there somewhere.
No problem!
Just popped outside with a torch and a rule just for you Stu, the gap from the plenum to the top of the bonnet measured through the louvres is about 3cm and that seems to be the closest you can measure easily. Not sure about the route from the towers to the bulkhead though.
I had assumed the 2GR transplant was simple but look way more complicated. i would have thought a rear space frame would have been an obvious solution linking in the rear strut top mounts
Quote from: "Mark A"I had assumed the 2GR transplant was simple but look way more complicated. i would have thought a rear space frame would have been an obvious solution linking in the rear strut top mounts
Similar levels of modification to the 1mz really. Mine has a little nibble out of the cross member and a chassis leg, an inspection box / hatch on the firewall, relocated and reinforced engine mounts, job done. It's a really elegant install for such a big engine in a small space.
Chris For interest and compare if the op dont mind it would be good to see a picture of a rogue 2gr install.
Quote from: "rbuckingham"Chris For interest and compare if the op dont mind it would be good to see a picture of a rogue 2gr install.
I dont mind...
My 2GR install by Woodsport
(http://i875.photobucket.com/albums/ab312/ayresyboy/2GR-FE%20Roadster%20conversion/IMG_3114.jpg) (http://s875.photobucket.com/user/ayresyboy/media/2GR-FE%20Roadster%20conversion/IMG_3114.jpg.html)
Quote from: "1979scotte"It's the one thing that puts me off the v6. A fare bit is cut out and nothing much is added.
Hoping the OP doesn't mind another picture... it's not too tough to add cross-section back to the subframe. I trimmed up some .090 thick steel plate, and got this box welded onto the back of the crossmember. There's some extra space before you run into the antisway bar.
(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g430/paulshibbs/Crossmember%20mods/crossmemberboxwelded-viewinbdLHS_zpsf9e06f37.jpg)
There's a product, I forget what it was called. Learned about it at college years and years ago.
It's a foam used by race teams that is pumped into a cavity such as a chassis leg, once cured it provides support and ultimately less chassis flex. Obviously once done you can't ever weld the part in question. Something like that might be a good fix.
Well, a bit of "fun" this morning on the way to work, just overtaking on a dual carriageway when I lost all gears, luckily there was a very conveniently situated layby that I was able to coast into.
A quick look under the bonnet/boot? confirmed that I had lost the gear linkage nut. The AA man was able to supply a replacement one so back on the road quickly luckily!
PS Still no video yet!
Nothing worse than losing yours nuts mid-overtake!
I can't imagine you were best pleased at that.
Must have been a bit of a bum clenching moment, I suppose any job that is that complex always runs the risk of something being missed, after all we're all only human....anoying nonetheless.
Hmm id be very worried. lucky escape though!
The timing was very lucky as it was the only layby on that bit of road and it was in the right place for me.
It was a bit of a shock but I was hopeful it was only going to be something simple so I didnt panic!
Found a couple of pictures I took at Ding Day, I dont know whose car this is but his rear brace still fits.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN9721.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN9721.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN9722.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN9722.jpg.html)
He also still has his drip tray too.
Cross member does look like its retained alot more metal aswell. Think its Jez car half green half silver.
Yes the green engine pictured is mine (it's probably the only green engined roadster in the world lol)
Topdownman I will look and photograph my subframe when it stops raining to give you a comparison.
Good to see V6s can still be green!
Quote from: "Topdownman"The rear subframe has been trimmed a lot more than others I have seen. I guess the rear bracing and drip plate? have been removed because the new engine is much taller and there is no room for them to fit now.
Can I feel it? I would say yes I can, its a bit like the difference when you fit a mid brace only its possibly more noticeable and going the wrong way this time! I am not sure if there is a way of adding extra bracing on the rear, I would certainly consider adding some if anyone has any ideas?
Just my 2p, rear strutbrace adds nothing - more show than go. You can't expect to swap the engine for something completely different and expect the car to "feel" the same. Not saying it's a bad thing, just that it's time to re-learn the car.
Just noticed my blue is also in that pic jez s;) ;) s;)
OK I've had a look from the top and my subframe has a relatively small section removed. In the affected area the subframe has been welded up to maintain the solidity with plates.
I have a pic but no idea how to post it, if anyone wants to see it, send a pm with an email!
FB me it Jez ill sort it.
(http://i1276.photobucket.com/albums/y479/scotte1979/Mobile%20Uploads/DSC_0010_zpsdgbmyqwy.jpg) (http://s1276.photobucket.com/user/scotte1979/media/Mobile%20Uploads/DSC_0010_zpsdgbmyqwy.jpg.html)
Job jobbed
Thanks for going to all that trouble to get the picture up guys!
It looks nice and minimal.
I have been wondering though if the bottom line is the size of the narrowest piece in the subframe that remains? ie the weakest link?
The narrowest should be the gearbox but it looks like they have cut for the gearbox ands instead of boxing they have could along the majority of the subframe which made doing the exhaust easy peasy. Possibly laziness id be hoping they would put that right if it were my car.
Quote from: "tomaky"The narrowest should be the gearbox but it looks like they have cut for the gearbox ands instead of boxing they have could along the majority of the subframe which made doing the exhaust easy peasy. Possibly laziness id be hoping they would put that right if it were my car.
Agreed
This was the very first one done, my old red one. Shown from underneath. It was a heavier installation than the 1MZs.
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/DSCF2118.jpg)
To be honest, I'm not sure if there is any issue. Certainly, with timber joists in houses, if you notch 50mm depth out of a 150x50, it effectively becomes a 100x50, no matter how long the notch actually is. A little over simplified and steel behaves a little differently to timber anyway.
On the basis that toyota tried to make the car as light as possible. If there was that much extra section in there I am sure it would have been optimised. That makes me believe it is needed and anything less is a sliding scale of compromise.
In Simon's case it was the amount that was missing!
Would be interested to know how your original one is holding up Nige.
Quote from: "ayresyboy"Quote from: "tomaky"The narrowest should be the gearbox but it looks like they have cut for the gearbox ands instead of boxing they have could along the majority of the subframe which made doing the exhaust easy peasy. Possibly laziness id be hoping they would put that right if it were my car.
Agreed
Me too.
Sorry. s:flame: :flame: s:flame:
Mine, albeit I didn't have to chop for exhaust.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z163/Lee_H25/AEC64CBF-0C8E-4DD8-9AED-E21E9EA40E8B-11276-00000B8CDC91FAF8_zps3d6b88c3.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/Lee_H25/media/AEC64CBF-0C8E-4DD8-9AED-E21E9EA40E8B-11276-00000B8CDC91FAF8_zps3d6b88c3.jpg.html)
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z163/Lee_H25/7713b479ad483d0d4015e444625a7634_zps70722619.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/Lee_H25/media/7713b479ad483d0d4015e444625a7634_zps70722619.jpg.html)
Stu, my old one is fine, but it has been modified some more, I think, as it now has a 2GR in there. I am guessing the E153 box needs a bit more clearance than the S54 box, I had.
People obviously have their views on what this particular item should look like, post modification. One thing to remember though, engine swaps like these are major modifications and the results are not going to look oem for all components.
I wonder if anyone has asked the modifier a question on this at all?
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "ayresyboy"Quote from: "tomaky"The narrowest should be the gearbox but it looks like they have cut for the gearbox ands instead of boxing they have could along the majority of the subframe which made doing the exhaust easy peasy. Possibly laziness id be hoping they would put that right if it were my car.
Agreed
Me too.
Sorry. s:flame: :flame: s:flame:
Me three, But I def give the builder a call with my concerns
Also I don't agree with the strut brace does nothing comment.. I doubt it would be there from factory if it wasn't doing anything.. I'd imagine it would be more necessary once you add a heavier lump with twice the power and 4 times the torque of a 1zz but again I'd ask the builder for peace of mind as there must be rules and regs to work to when doing custom chasis mods for customers
Quote from: "loadswine"Stu, my old one is fine, but it has been modified some more, I think, as it now has a 2GR in there. I am guessing the E153 box needs a bit more clearance than the S54 box, I had.
People obviously have their views on what this particular item should look like, post modification. One thing to remember though, engine swaps like these are major modifications and the results are not going to look oem for all components.
I wonder if anyone has asked the modifier a question on this at all?
Dont think its for use to ask to be honest Nige, where only expressing concern.
No, Absolutely right Tom, point taken. I did mean the OP to be honest. Lots of folks have expressed their concern. There may be a rational and engineered reason why it is configured that way. Mr Woods would be the person who would be aware of why this conversion is done in the way it is.
Totally agree be nice if he was on here.
I asked Paul the question about the subframe today and why more seems to be taken out compared to other examples.
He mentioned a couple of things, he actually adds in ribbed sections into the normally hollow subframe to add strength and while it would be possible to mount the engine 1" forward, thereby taking out less of the subframe, he prefers to do it this way to give a straighter driveshaft angle and to keep the exhaust further from the firewall.
He said that he has done over 60 conversions over 10 years and has never had a problem with the subframes he has modded either on the road or the track.
He also agrees that the rear brace has little effect on handling and while a custom brace would be possible it would be extra expense.
That is a reasonable explanation. I would not have a problem with that. I thought Paul would have had valid reasons for the design.
You want to chuck it on a track day with a couple of standard twos, and see what it's like in the corners s:) :) s:) that will show how much the effect has s:) :) s:)
I am glad that people have said they do not notice the effects of the rear brace and its quite possible that I had either forgotten what the car felt like or I was reacting to the effect of different tyre pressures. When I said I could feel the loss of the rear brace, it wasnt like I had driven it, taken off the brace, driven it again and then come to that conclusion it was my memory of driving the car months ago.
I have noticed that when going hard and changing from 1st to 2nd, the back end of the car is quite squirmy and so I will have to experiment with pressures and damping and maybe go 10mm wider on the tyres when I change next (on standard bridgestones at the moment).
With regard to the subframe, I could imagine that the strength would only be as good as the narrowest part left so wasnt as worried as everyone else! I hadnt realised that they were internally strengthened (and with thicker gauge than original) so I am happy.
Sadly all a track day would show would be the small size of my, erm, talent!
I'm not sure where it bolts to (pre or post the cut-out section in yours) but don't Ultra Racing make a rear subframe brace. Not sure if it would help but could be worth a look.
If you have Facebook. Check out DD Performance Research LLC, also been shared to MR2 Spyder / Roadtser group. They have made a production subframe for 2GR. Don't know the cost and being from America will be expensive anyway but it's a good start into another source of subframe for engine swaps.
Impressive work!
To quote them;
DD Performance Research LLC This one weighs more - I don't recall the exact number but I think maybe 10 lbs more - it was developed to clear the E153 and to significantly increase the strength in order to sustain the higher torque loads anticipated with long term use of the 2GR with forced induction. We can build one from aluminum if someone has a race only requirement for something like a stock 1ZZ
They also say no price yet but was very expensive to make!!
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/12249648_895499507171689_3407897066929711966_n.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/12249648_895499507171689_3407897066929711966_n.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/12243146_896637307057909_4859617156355252259_n.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/12243146_896637307057909_4859617156355252259_n.jpg.html)
I would quite like one.
Ooh that looks pukka that but probably mucho money.
Ooooohhhhh.. "dribble".... That's basically the response I think a few of us will have!!!
Those tyres look pretty hefty too!
That's what I'm going to ask Santa for, sorted!
Like that a lot s8) 8) s8)
Can we have a video of the exhuast please s:) :) s:)
I have tried honest!
Just doesnt sound very impressive to me on a tablet!
What sort of thing are you after, just a bit of revving?
Of course, if you are coming out on sunday you can hear it for yourselt....
Sorry it took a while, but here are a couple of pictures of the Rogue 2GR-FE install. The lack of corrosion protection on the subframe is due to it having come straight out of a race car. Will be getting busy with the Hammerite on that.
Snug fit:
(https://sites.google.com/site/randomphotosgame/home/OS%20view.jpg?attredirects=0)
Minimal cutting:
(https://sites.google.com/site/randomphotosgame/_/rsrc/1419616786431/home/Rear%20subframe.jpg)
That looks like they do a wide cut out section as well.
Yep looks very similar. Looks like nothing to worry about then Simon!
Quote from: "Topdownman"I have tried honest!
Just doesnt sound very impressive to me on a tablet!
What sort of thing are you after, just a bit of revving?
Of course, if you are coming out on sunday you can hear it for yourselt....
Put the tablet on the floor next to the exhaust and give it some beans and some lower rev range growling s:) :) s:)
not sure I can make it on Saturday, don't think my car is in any state to drive yet s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "Topdownman"I have tried honest!
Just doesnt sound very impressive to me on a tablet!
What sort of thing are you after, just a bit of revving?
Of course, if you are coming out on sunday you can hear it for yourselt....
Put the tablet on the floor next to the exhaust and give it some beans and some lower rev range growling s:) :) s:)
not sure I can make it on Saturday, don't think my car is in any state to drive yet s:( :( s:(
I cant make it now either as the alternator has gone!
(PS If you go on saturday you will be on your own!).
Quote from: "Topdownman"That looks like they do a wide cut out section as well.
Could be the angle or the close up nature of the photo, but it is significantly different. If you look closely, you can see the cut is only in the area with corrosion. The rest of the subframe is the original section, they have only taken out a very small triangle. Before you get to the rear engine mount, you are completely back to the standard section.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/b89N9j4tSUN4hGKxfLu29ue5WmgZvIQwlSJhRPK-ZVifIZcFRrangh-FwMlyfbHWPfkNonConBdfqkncgvQa5kS83Q6R7cQ1_3bx9REHLDC0uuQ5ZQ5zNuF6CgAx5b5UUx3PXo4_uamTg6MJZNt9CQQkrQkySmMe4psgqGScJe-K68tSVjq6ef7McyYYezfyThmXHN-8rl_sic68L3xtyp8o7CCKtH1bjPKFVC1eZjpbGIR62eWhRRLu97_s60qEi0z0Dx6C2w_YnEsfA-vA9u1fgbcqGg1KOiY74a3bJNmwAjv5roCkta3t47KKeipQFiirqxGHq4wfhHCgqnbPxaypvOEuE0GnioEbJ8yNN3iCMba6_XQh_QA1B0HicSHJN8HIp0Y-wS90Cx2T3ADcAWNLHFS6A33DUzKfAS1jtOzNKPx3eqv-8PTFJd_DsBJeYKO9f0_0QMU8m3V21kH8L8BOxYPaRSW0xiYYgDhR7p91CFSKHeUD3dGkVij1rEgKn7-04yLAte5C4EnufFvugB11_B8T0PWH-8-jvX9PN28=w1122-h1495-no)
Quote from: "Topdownman"I cant make it now either as the alternator has gone!
(PS If you go on saturday you will be on your own!).
Oh bloody hell! New one in the post then?
(Ps that would help!)
So my replacement alternator was sent out by Paul and I found a garage who were preoared to fit it and all has been good since. My feeling is that all the water getting into the engine bay caused it to short out. I need to work out how to make some drip trays that will fit to keep the water out!
I have now done over 1000 miles in it and have averaged 29.87mpg. Not too bad really, I will stop keeping the receipts now as that will probably drop once the weather gets better......
Glad to here all is well.
Hope to see you again in the New Year.
I've not had any alternator issues, but I similarly haven't got 29mpg!
Glad its all sorted, and hope you love the beast as much as as do mine.
Yes, its great to have it back working and have a chance to drive it again.
Shame I missed the last meet, hopefully will make the next one.
I doubt they all have an issue with the alternator or it would have been picked up, I think it was just the insulation on mine being frayed (plus all of the rain wont have helped).
The car is fantastic, I love it. It is the car Mr T should have made!
Quote from: "Topdownman"The car is fantastic, I love it. It is the car Mr T should have made!
That, effectively, says it all, really.....! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Incidentally, (going RIGHT back to the first part of this topic! s:wink: :wink: s:wink: ), when I picked my V6 up from Paul, I drove it back to Worthing, a journey of around 330 miles, and from the time I joined the motorway until I reached Shoreham airport (about 4 miles from home) I was in 5th gear ALL THE WAY..! No word of a lie..! It was like driving an auto.....seriously!
It IS all motorway, granted (A1M, M1, M25, M23, A27)...but a p**s-easy journey!
I think that demonstrated the advantage of the V6 torque...? s:) :) s:)
Yep, the torque is great.
I have been surprised how much fun it is just burbling along at between 1200-1500 rpm. But then when you "bring the noise" it is a whole different type of fun.
I think this conversion gives the right amount of performance so you can still use it all
I think this conversation needs to be on the separate 2zz vs V6 thread instead of cluttering up Simons post s:) :) s:) plenty of information already by just using the search bar and finding the differences between v6, 2zz, turbo and k20
Good point Josh,yes , we need to get this thread back on topic. off topic posts removed, pending placement in suitable thread.
We need a video of his car. That's what this thread needs. s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Bugster_MR2"We need a video of his car. That's what this thread needs. s:) :) s:)
Here here!!
Sort it out! s:) :) s:)
Just come back from a few days away in the car and still a lot of fun, even in the rain!
I did try a mate filming me drive by but it just looked rubbish and the sound didnt really come across either! I will have to try some filming from inside the car next. I dont think it is likely to do it justice mind but I do like it when I roll by and pedestrians turn round to see what is coming!
I do have a slight water loss which isnt going away (I was hoping it was an airlock) so have to try and find out whats going on there. Any ideas anyone?
If you still have an OE radiator that would be the first place I would look.
My own experience and others I have read about on here put the leak at bottom rear lefthand side.
With the V6 i think you get a new rad.
Yep, new larger rad fitted as part of the conversion.
Quote from: "Topdownman"I do have a slight water loss which isnt going away (I was hoping it was an airlock) so have to try and find out whats going on there. Any ideas anyone?
I don't think the expansion tank cap needs to be pressure rated anymore. This is what I got told for mine. So I loosen my cap so that it's just biting the top thread.
The pressure cap is there to increase the boiling point of the water, usually set at 15psi. Not really a good idea to stop it doing its job.
If you have to do it for whatever reason then you are treating the symptom of a problem, not the cause. Out of interest, why don't you tighten it fully?
Rusty clip on a water hose where it goes into the solid pipe that runs under the car. They do fail and only leak under pressure / operation.
Quote from: "mrzwei"The pressure cap is there to increase the boiling point of the water, usually set at 15psi. Not really a good idea to stop it doing its job.
If you have to do it for whatever reason then you are treating the symptom of a problem, not the cause. Out of interest, why don't you tighten it fully?
no as on andys 2gr hes . has 2 pressure caps so the one on bottle is lose and the one on engine is doing the work other wise it has to pressure two caps and then it cant get the water back in to the system .
Quote from: "headcase"Quote from: "mrzwei"The pressure cap is there to increase the boiling point of the water, usually set at 15psi. Not really a good idea to stop it doing its job.
If you have to do it for whatever reason then you are treating the symptom of a problem, not the cause. Out of interest, why don't you tighten it fully?
no as on andys 2gr hes . has 2 pressure caps so the one on bottle is lose and the one on engine is doing the work other wise it has to pressure two caps and then it cant get the water back in to the system .
So the 2gr has an expansion reservoir like on a old school 4x4? Vacuum sucks water into the pressure system and over pressure it bleeds into the tank.
Quote from: "rbuckingham"Quote from: "headcase"Quote from: "mrzwei"The pressure cap is there to increase the boiling point of the water, usually set at 15psi. Not really a good idea to stop it doing its job.
If you have to do it for whatever reason then you are treating the symptom of a problem, not the cause. Out of interest, why don't you tighten it fully?
no as on andys 2gr hes . has 2 pressure caps so the one on bottle is lose and the one on engine is doing the work other wise it has to pressure two caps and then it cant get the water back in to the system .
So the 2gr has an expansion reservoir like on a old school 4x4? Vacuum sucks water into the pressure system and over pressure it bleeds into the tank.
yep the same as a standard mr2 mk2
it depends on how its been plumbed in as well .
Hmmm...
Not sure I understand the logic here. One cap or two, the system pressure will be much the same all around. Flow from the water pump will force coolant around, but the pressure in the system comes from the heating. If any cap sees pressure above it's yield point, it will vent. Run it loose and it will potentially vent at lower pressure. My 2GR is plumbed so that there is one cap, on the header tank. Coolant goes out of the block to the radiator, with a take off for the header tank on the output manifold. Returns to the pump are via a bypass in the V, a return from the heater matrix and bottom of header tank and through the thermostat.
The issue I had with the 2GR (configured with one pressure cap on the stock coolant reservoir), was that the flow through the coolant bottle at high revs would purge the air space above the coolant and force the air down to the radiator, leaving the coolant bottle full to near the top. A single push above 7000rpm would do it instantly. Running at up to around 4000rpm would purge it in stages. The fix I did for this was to fit a 3mm restrictor in the coolant feed to the top end of the header tank. This slows flow enough to avoid purging the header tank.
Is it possible that the coolant is being forced out of the pressure cap? Until I fixed my tank purging issues, this would happen with mine if I topped it up too much.
Not had a chance to look underneath it or even park up somewhere that would show up if it is leaking when stationary or when parking up with a hot engine.
It seems to typically lose about 250 ml every time I check it. It also seems to be taking a long time to warm up, something like 10 minutes of driving, not sure if this is relevant or its just got colder!
Just thought I would pop down to the local garage on the off chance they could put it on a ramp.
Luckily they did so as soon as we got underneath it could see a drip coming from from the back of the car. He has tightened up a hose clamp from above the alternator which is where is was coming from. Fingers crossed that that was all it was. I will be checking the water level and hoping!
FINGERS CROSSED!!
Fingers crossed indeed bud!
Mine too
Cheers Guys,
When the temperature gets above freezing I may get to give it a run to find out!
Funnily enough, I had a leaky hose clamp in about the same position on my old v6. I actually double clipped mine.
Glad to hear you found it, now wrap the poor girl up it's cold outside
Quote from: "loadswine"Funnily enough, I had a leaky hose clamp in about the same position on my old v6. I actually double clipped mine.
Thats a bit worrying. Looks like I am going to have to keep an eye on it then! It is the clip just under the inspection hatch, just above the alternator.
Mine was a different engine remember, plus, in the first months after conversion, my system was over pressurized due to a slight head gasket issue. I didn't have an access hatch at first. That came later. My connection was from a rubber hose that led from the filler housing, to the hard pipe that ran along parallel to the fire wall. Clips can let by sometimes and a bit of a tweak and can fettle it. s;) ;) s;)
I am pleased to say that tightening up the hose does appear to have stopped the leak.
Just been out for a trip with my new home made aluminium drip trays on and the good news is they havent fallen off. I dont know yet if they are going to keep the water out and how they will affect heat dissipation in the summer so may need to tweak the design as I go and I can probably play with the brackets a bit to make them look better but I certainly feel happier the engine isnt getting quite as wet every time it rains.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/20160213_121415.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160213_121415.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/20160213_121526.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160213_121526.jpg.html)
I was planning to paint the top side but think the plain ally looks OK (even if it is quite scratched).
Why not have them red to match the hood?
Quote from: "StuC"Why not have them red to match the hood?
I dont want to draw attention to my shoddy workmanship!
Looks fine from here matey. s:-D :-D s:-D
looking good buddy s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
cheers tommy
So, spring is here. We reaaaaally want to hear you putting the pedal to the metal on a video with good sound quality. Please? s:) :) s:)
Time for a quick update as its been a while. Bugster, we did try to film it at Ding Day but it didnt do it justice! Its certainly quite loud even at low revs, I can see people turn round to see what an awesome car is coming (in my mind), what a boy racer is coming (in their minds probably).
The car has been running well so hopefully the teething troubles are behind me now. Got a better air filter while at demon tweeks which should give better protection than the metal mesh one;
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/20160713_173245.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160713_173245.jpg.html)
Loving my Team Dynamic pro race 1.2 wheels;
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN0675.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN0675.jpg.html)
Done a bit more work on my centre console, I still like the idea but I dont have the skills to do it well enough so really need it doing professionally if it going to stay long term. There is an awful lot of storage space created by it so thats good. It is slightly too near the handbrake though.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/Mobile%20Uploads/20160713_173228.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160713_173228.jpg.html)
Got some new (to me) bumpers and bodykit being painted at the moment so I am getting nearer to finishing off things (for now obviously!) so cant wait to get them finally fitted.
its all looking really nice buddy, the wheels suit the car well.
cheers tommy
Looking spot on!
Cheers Guys.
I forgot to mention the 3" extension on top of the ebay short shifter with the 5" gearknob, very smooth!
Looking forward to seeing the car with the body kit on..... should really finish it off. Not too sure about the gear stick though, but so long as you like it s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "MisterK"Looking forward to seeing the car with the body kit on..... should really finish it off. Not too sure about the gear stick though, but so long as you like it s:D :D s:D
You and me both, has taken a long time to get to this stage with the bodykit! Its going to be GB side skirts and spats from Nigel Smith, pre face lift bumper with an hz altezza front lip and a jdm style bootlid spoiler. Hope it will look ok together!
Now just got to decide whether to go for square numberplates....
Quote from: "Topdownman"Quote from: "MisterK"Looking forward to seeing the car with the body kit on..... should really finish it off. Not too sure about the gear stick though, but so long as you like it s:D :D s:D
You and me both, has taken a long time to get to this stage with the bodykit! Its going to be GB side skirts and spats from Nigel Smith, pre face lift bumper with an hz altezza front lip and a jdm style bootlid spoiler. Hope it will look ok together!
Now just got to decide whether to go for square numberplates....
Its going to look as good as it sounds - whoo hoo!
It's all looking really good Simon s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Whoops . . . . . .
On the strength of this thread, i'm on the waiting list for a 1MZ with the VVTI.
My car's worth about 3k (2005 with 72k) and the conversion is more expensive than that. But honestly there isn't another car below 10 grand that i envisage enjoying like the Roadster.
I just drove home on a quiet B road, and i was smiling . . . never owned a car that made me smile like the Roadster.
So yeah, this was a good read and my V6 will be going in when it's my turn (about 6 months)
Quote from: "Huambo81a"Whoops . . . . . .
On the strength of this thread, i'm on the waiting list for a 1MZ with the VVTI.
My car's worth about 3k (2005 with 72k) and the conversion is more expensive than that. But honestly there isn't another car below 10 grand that i envisage enjoying like the Roadster.
I just drove home on a quiet B road, and i was smiling . . . never owned a car that made me smile like the Roadster.
So yeah, this was a good read and my V6 will be going in when it's my turn (about 6 months)
Thats exactly how I felt. Well done!
Quote from: "Huambo81a"Whoops . . . . . .
On the strength of this thread, i'm on the waiting list for a 1MZ with the VVTI.
My car's worth about 3k (2005 with 72k) and the conversion is more expensive than that. But honestly there isn't another car below 10 grand that i envisage enjoying like the Roadster.
I just drove home on a quiet B road, and i was smiling . . . never owned a car that made me smile like the Roadster.
So yeah, this was a good read and my V6 will be going in when it's my turn (about 6 months)
Roadsters with V6 inside are even better than you think. Every time I drive mine, I am grinning from ear to ear, and I've had it well over a year and drive it everyday...
Nothing quite like a MR6!
Looks awesome, I'm very jealous! What rpm is peak torque?
Quote from: "MR2j"Looks awesome, I'm very jealous! What rpm is peak torque?
Something stupidly low like 3000rpm. Such a joy to drive and it's actually quite fun knowing that you only need to give half throttle and half the Rev range to still break speed limits
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Quote from: "MR2j"Looks awesome, I'm very jealous! What rpm is peak torque?
Something stupidly low like 3000rpm. Such a joy to drive and it's actually quite fun knowing that you only need to give half throttle and half the Rev range to still break speed limits
Peak torque for 1mz vvti or non vvti is 4400 rpm.
m https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MZ_engine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MZ_engine) m
m http://www.mr2oc.com/188-v6-mr2-forum/3 ... ?_k=qjgisg (http://www.mr2oc.com/188-v6-mr2-forum/371708-1mz-fe-technical-information-sae-tech-paper-950805-a.html#/topics/371708?_k=qjgisg) m
The thing to remember is its making 170 ftlb at tick over.
I always wanted to get a 3MZ but they arent readily available in the UK that makes pretty much 200lb+ almost everywhere.
Good bit of research there Scott.
The torque is "adequate".
Quote from: "Topdownman"Good bit of research there Scott.
The torque is "adequate".
Thanks simon but all the work is done for you its just puting the correct phrase into google.
There is a great thread somewhere with all the sae info of all the mr2 swap engines.
Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Jrichards20"Quote from: "MR2j"Looks awesome, I'm very jealous! What rpm is peak torque?
Something stupidly low like 3000rpm. Such a joy to drive and it's actually quite fun knowing that you only need to give half throttle and half the Rev range to still break speed limits
Peak torque for 1mz vvti or non vvti is 4400 rpm.
m https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MZ_engine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MZ_engine) m
m http://www.mr2oc.com/188-v6-mr2-forum/3 ... ?_k=qjgisg (http://www.mr2oc.com/188-v6-mr2-forum/371708-1mz-fe-technical-information-sae-tech-paper-950805-a.html#/topics/371708?_k=qjgisg) m
The thing to remember is its making 170 ftlb at tick over.
I always wanted to get a 3MZ but they arent readily available in the UK that makes pretty much 200lb+ almost everywhere.
Amazing having that much at tickover. I went in a MK2 with a v6 a while ago and definitely preferred the characteristics and sound of the engine to a mk2 turbo. It does seem a shame that Toyota didn't offer either generation of MR2 with a v6.
Quote from: "MR2j"Quote from: "1979scotte"Quote from: "Jrichards20"Something stupidly low like 3000rpm. Such a joy to drive and it's actually quite fun knowing that you only need to give half throttle and half the Rev range to still break speed limits
Peak torque for 1mz vvti or non vvti is 4400 rpm.
m https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MZ_engine (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_MZ_engine) m
m http://www.mr2oc.com/188-v6-mr2-forum/3 ... ?_k=qjgisg (http://www.mr2oc.com/188-v6-mr2-forum/371708-1mz-fe-technical-information-sae-tech-paper-950805-a.html#/topics/371708?_k=qjgisg) m
The thing to remember is its making 170 ftlb at tick over.
I always wanted to get a 3MZ but they arent readily available in the UK that makes pretty much 200lb+ almost everywhere.
Amazing having that much at tickover. I went in a MK2 with a v6 a while ago and definitely preferred the characteristics and sound of the engine to a mk2 turbo. It does seem a shame that Toyota didn't offer either generation of MR2 with a v6.
I think a V6 suites the mk2 very well.
I think its a bigger shame that the mk3 wasnt fitted with something anything with more power.
Yes the v6 suites the MK2 perfectly, makes it a really versatile sports/gt car.. a lot cheaper and much better looking alternative to a boxster s:D :D s:D
It does seem strange that Toyota didn't offer the MK3 with the 1zz-fe and 2zz-ge as they did in the Celica, I suppose they didn't want to try to compete with the Elise.
I wonder if they didnt offer more power as they were afraid the mid engine/ rear drive design was not as safe as a heavier front engine/drive car?
Quite possibly, i know my cars geo is probably out but at motorway speed the car isn't a nice place to be. i have a big hill near me that dual carriageway, iv found myself going down it and literally battling to keep the car balanced more weight at the back and with stock suspension sounds even more of a battle.
All sorted with a geo.
Mine felt the same on the motorway going down to wheels in motion.
Drive back was totally different. Planted.
Fresh suspension and good tyres but only came together as a complete package once geo done.
The trick is finding a reputable place to do it.
A highly regarded place in leicester had 2 goes using the same kit as Wheels in motion. But still wasn't right.
Went to WIM. Bingo!
The front cant be right on mine as i replace the rack not too long ago but imagine driving on stock suspension on 17's there is a lot of gap to be filled under the front with air haha.
Geo's on the list of things to do before the October meet.
Quote from: "Topdownman"I wonder if they didnt offer more power as they were afraid the mid engine/ rear drive design was not as safe as a heavier front engine/drive car?
Does the V6 add significantly more weight to the rear? I know the engine is heavier than the 1zz-fe but I thought when someone weighed one on here it wasn't vastly heavier.
Quote from: "MR2j"Quote from: "Topdownman"I wonder if they didnt offer more power as they were afraid the mid engine/ rear drive design was not as safe as a heavier front engine/drive car?
Does the V6 add significantly more weight to the rear? I know the engine is heavier than the 1zz-fe but I thought when someone weighed one on here it wasn't vastly heavier.
I can't remember the actual numbers but the engine being alloy means the weight increase is similar to a small child. Ever noticed the handling of your car changing dramatically because you have a six year old in the back? There are a couple of gearbox options though and some are lighter than others.
With uprated suspension and the battery in the front I can report -imo- there are no adverse handling effects following the installation of the 1Mz.
I also have a vented bonnet which might help keep the front down at speed but it could just be in my mind!
I expect Josh and Simon will chime in here soon and they will have their opinion too.
I believe the engine weighs about 25kg more. The battery in mine is in the front too which takes some weight from the back to the front to offset some of the extra weight. I believe the standard exhaust and cat is heavier than the new ones so that reduces some of the extra weight.
I cant say I notice any difference from the extra weight though. In reality do you notice the feel of the car with a full tank compared to an empty one? I cant say I have ever noticed that.
The extra performance available may of course be distracting us from noticing the weight!
I expect a non standard manifold, mid-pipe and backbox also contribute to reducing the weight at the rear, relocating the battery to the front seems pretty sensible, I always liked the way the battery was nice and low at the front in the MK2. I suppose having coilovers means you can experiment with spring rates at the back to compensate for the weight increase if you really wanted.
Lot of info on engine weight here
m http://www.mr2.com/forums/archive/index ... 81951.html (http://www.mr2.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-81951.html) m
1zz weighs 224lbs dry
1mz weighs 348lbs service weight
so the difference 124lbs give or take some fluids which is 56kg
Also the v6 swaps use something like the s54 box which is heavier than our oem c series box.
I reckon its about the weight of a average women.
After market exhausts save loads of weight but a lot of us have those on our 1zz anyway.
I have had my car weighed 1050kg if i remember correctly. Thats for an 06 with loadsof mods.
I think that weight is for the iron block motor isnt it? Our alloy ones are lighter(so I have been told, I havent weighed it!).
Maybe one day I might have the car weighed out of curiosity but I dont think its an issue really.
Quote from: "Topdownman"I think that weight is for the iron block motor isnt it? Our alloy ones are lighter(so I have been told, I havent weighed it!).
Maybe one day I might have the car weighed out of curiosity but I dont think its an issue really.
Sorry mate no the 3vz weighs a massive 469lbs and the 3sgte 421lbs. Theyre the iron block engines.
Its all on mr2.com to look at
And funnily enough, even the iron block 3vz didn't make as much difference as one might think. With a good geo setup, as has been mentioned elsewhere, it was absolutely fine. I loved mine.
Quote from: "loadswine"And funnily enough, even the iron block 3vz didn't make as much difference as one might think. With a good geo setup, as has been mentioned elsewhere, it was absolutely fine. I loved mine.
With the weight between the axels i agree it should make little difference.
When i took one for a little spin it didnt handle any different to mine.
Am just trying to lay out all the facts.
Il get mine weighed next week before I add any bits on so we know the exact difference as I weighed it before it went up s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "Topdownman"In reality do you notice the feel of the car with a full tank compared to an empty one?
100% yes.
I generally get through a tank of fuel in the morning of a track session.
I refill at lunchtime, and the difference is noticeable in the first session after lunch.
Quote from: "Alex Knight"Quote from: "Topdownman"In reality do you notice the feel of the car with a full tank compared to an empty one?
100% yes.
I generally get through a tank of fuel in the morning of a track session.
I refill at lunchtime, and the difference is noticeable in the first session after lunch.
Track is a bit more extreme than roads use though but i get your point.
I hope Simon isnt driving like he would at Brands. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "MR2j"Quote from: "Topdownman"I wonder if they didnt offer more power as they were afraid the mid engine/ rear drive design was not as safe as a heavier front engine/drive car?
Does the V6 add significantly more weight to the rear? I know the engine is heavier than the 1zz-fe but I thought when someone weighed one on here it wasn't vastly heavier.
My overall car weight is 2440lbs with 1/2 tank of gas. I have the S51 transmission which is a little lighter. I've never weighed front/rear wheels to check balance but the car behaves nicely. I've only driven track once and autocross once but neither had any problems with handling.
That's NC Miata territory! Didn't realise the V6 added so much weight. Good job there's torque in abundance. s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Quote from: "SuperArt"That's NC Miata territory! Didn't realise the V6 added so much weight. Good job there's torque in abundance. s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Its only 55kg heavier than mine. Dont think its bad at all.
I would imagine cycleheads car would be a bit lighter as its a PFL.
Time for a little update as now have the new bumpers and bodykit on.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN0874.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN0874.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN0871.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN0871.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN0876.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN0876.jpg.html)
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSCN0879.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSCN0879.jpg.html)
I still have a rear spoiler to go on but that is going to need some work before painting as it started to de-laminate while being sanded!
Nice to be finally getting somewhere with all the jobs though.
Looking good there Simon.
Looking nice s:) :) s:)
Which splitter is that on the front?
Looks great...that front bumper & spats really work well. The rear spoiler & shiny exhaust pipes s:wink: :wink: s:wink: will really finish it off. Well worth the wait and the hard work.
Cheers Guys.
It is not a splitter but a Smartlip from ebay. Should stop the fibreglass lip getting damaged at low speed, not sure it will serve any actual purpose at speed because it is flexible so will just bend! Looks good too I reckon though!
One day I will get a less rusty tailpipe....
Id not noticed your nose badge before Simon.
Unusual and tasteful. s:-D :-D s:-D
Quote from: "StuC"Id not noticed your nose badge before Simon.
Unusual and tasteful. s:-D :-D s:-D
Dont worry Stu, you have not been negligent! Its new too. Two piece plastic, white and black.
Looks reet smart
Lovely
Looking good up top, not so rosy underneath sadly!
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/20161002_152231%20-%20Edited.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/20161002_152231%20-%20Edited.jpg.html)
I removed the rear engine mount today which is being sent up to woodsport to weld/reinforce.
Hopefully it wont take too long.
Car looks great Simon, engine mount not so great, might need a little more than just reinforcing!
That's looks bad, shouldn't have failed after so little time? Surely a new mount is needed.
Maybe a redesign is in order!
Ouch!
Looks like the steel is too thin and it needs more fixings
Quote from: "Topdownman"Looking good up top, not so rosy underneath sadly!
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/20161002_152231%20-%20Edited.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/20161002_152231%20-%20Edited.jpg.html)
I removed the rear engine mount today which is being sent up to woodsport to weld/reinforce.
Hopefully it wont take too long.
F**K! I'm going to have to check mine out...
Sheesh!
How did you spot this Simon?
Was there an associated clunking involved?
It just doesn't look man enough...
It looks like this has literally torn apart, which would indicate a misalignment in my opinion.
The bracket being incorrectly positioned relative to the (replacement) engine or vice versa.
The bracket has been trying to support the engine weight and also hold it in the correct lateral position with this result.
I spotted the problem when I was de-rusting. I hadnt realised it had completely split until I unbolted it. I could have been driving like that for some time.
The weight of the engine is carried on the mounts on either side of the engine bay as far as I know. I couldnt tell you the function of this mount as I'm no engineer but is it to resist the twisting force of the engine and so doesnt need to be as beefy as a main engine mount?
I am sure it will get sorted out!
Simon, as we actually like you and we don't want to see you (or others) hurt... Is it an idea to take it to Rogue to get it assessed for safety and quality?
I know that's easy to say, as it's your money... But that to me looks like two pieces of metal welded to a plate from a door hinge.
Quote from: "shnazzle"Simon, as we actually like you and we don't want to see you (or others) hurt... Is it an idea to take it to Rogue to get it assessed for safety and quality?
I know that's easy to say, as it's your money... But that to me looks like two pieces of metal welded to a plate from a door hinge.
Pat has a point here.
You have had a few very serious issues with this build perhaps a second opinion would be a good idea.
Perhaps a step too far for some but if it was me i would be asking for the car to be put back to stock at woodsports expense.
A second opinion here might be practical, if nothing else an experienced pair of eyes WITH a report wouldn't go amiss.
I, for one, would be questioning what has happened here. I understand where you are coming from Scott, it is extreme, but safety has deffo come into question here.
What is the next weak link in the chain? That cut-away subframe perhaps?
Without getting a microscope onto the crack surface, you won't know exactly how this failed, but looking at the design of the bracket, it's probably been subject to flexing and a crack has started and propagated over a period of time until the last bit just broke off. That should be buttressed up into the area where the holes are.
This intrigues me, this failure mode is weird.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb158/StueyC07/ROC/engine%20mount%20failure.jpg) (http://s204.photobucket.com/user/StueyC07/media/ROC/engine%20mount%20failure.jpg.html)
Sheering failures usually just give a straight line, the the one on the other side s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Fatigue cracking can open up in any number of patterns. Load there will be variable and possibly in multiple axes, so the crack will wander across the steel from weak spot to weak spot. That's why the surface needs some scrutiny to determine what's occurred. If there is a lot of bending in one plane, the cracking often follows the work hardening, but here, the holes are both over one side and the buttressing is not the same height both sides, so it's guess work as to what modes it's bending in. As it opens up, some twisting may have occurred too, which could be right for that divot.
I think we need Simon to advise how Woodsport handle this and advise
Any further derogatory comments will not be permitted as without them providing a response and solution we are treading on thin ice legally here which the Club cannot condone so please carefully consider your responses carefully
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Im scared for peoples safety Bernie. There have been some very serious mistakes with this so far. the last thing i want is for this to continue and for someone to get physically hurt.
EDIT There is nothing stopping the business owner coming on and answering this may well end up solving the issues going forward. EDIT
That bracket is by no means fit for purpose it looks like a fast solution. Josh how do yours look in comparison?
Well that's not good.
Il have to check it Wednesday!
Quote from: "bernie11a"I think we need Simon to advise how Woodsport handle this and advise
Any further derogatory comments will not be permitted as without them providing a response and solution we are treading on thin ice legally here which the Club cannot condone so please carefully consider your responses carefully
IMO the primary function of a club is to share knowledge. That's regarding services both good and bad, amongst other things.
Anyone who's been around the MR2 Scene a while with their eyes open will know whereof we speak.
And that's my carefully considered response.
Some sweeping statements have been removed as without foundation they are defamatory
What is fact is the condition of the mount and it's now how this is explained and addressed that is the point
The V6 conversion is one that a few are considering and as well as install costs, quality, time and after sales service are all considerations everyone must take into account when deciding on an installer
Hearsay is one thing but we cannot allow baseless slander, no doubt we will all judge Woodsport on how they address this for Simon and how Josh's mounts are fabricated and the fact that this mount has failed so early and dramatically
So just to repeat please be appropriate in what we post
This ISN'T the first very worrying peace of work that has been listed in this thread.
The other errors aswell as this i feel justify highlighting to others that they need to be very careful when considering a V6 conversion from said supplier.Anyway i await to see the result.
Quote from: "tomaky"This ISN'T the first very worrying peace of work that has been listed in this thread.
The other errors aswell as this i feel justify highlighting to others that they need to be very careful when considering a V6 conversion from said supplier.Anyway i await to see the result.
Sorry Tom but there you go again making a sweeping statement I've trawled through the entire thread
You made comment on the amount of let's call it "adaptions" needed and Simon got the following response
Quote from: "Topdownman"I asked Paul the question about the subframe today and why more seems to be taken out compared to other examples.
He mentioned a couple of things, he actually adds in ribbed sections into the normally hollow subframe to add strength and while it would be possible to mount the engine 1" forward, thereby taking out less of the subframe, he prefers to do it this way to give a straighter driveshaft angle and to keep the exhaust further from the firewall.
He said that he has done over 60 conversions over 10 years and has never had a problem with the subframes he has modded either on the road or the track.
He also agrees that the rear brace has little effect on handling and while a custom brace would be possible it would be extra expense.
ChrisGB also posted Rogue install piks and comments were that cut was similar
So let's not go off on any agenda here let's see where Simon goes with this and again please everyone refrain from entering into a witch hunt
Hmm... i will pm you.
Oh dear s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Personally I wouldn't take it to a Rogue or any other garage associated with the Mr2. Id wait for Paul's response and new mount, then get an independent engineers report (maybe vosa). For peace of mind more than anything
Quote from: "vinp182"Oh dear s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Personally I wouldn't take it to a Rogue or any other garage associated with the Mr2. Id wait for Paul's response and new mount, then get an independent engineers report (maybe vosa). For peace of mind more than anything
That's a very fine point actually.
Such traders have a vested interest in pointing out flaws, in order to showcase their skills or defame those of others. So an independent engineer would be a good idea. Whether Simon goes down that route is up to him.
The important thing is that these issues are rectified. Be it by Woodsport or someone else.
It's a smashing looking car with a hell of an engine and I for one want to see it on the road as healthy as possible so we can see a smile on Simon's face s:D :D s:D
Just to advise further Buyer/Seller feedback is the place to voice "opinions" on actual experience's members have had with either individuals or traders
There will be a lot of interest on how this particular build & resultant issues are addressed by Woodsport and members can then decide for themselves, should they wish to go down a V6 route, their preferred installer
Simon, I was going to say how superb your car is looking, and it is!
The failure of the torque mount is not good though, and I hope you get it sorted quickly. From memory, my torque mounts were Toyota items, from a Mk2, I think.
I really am sorry that you have had issues with the conversion, especially as my experience was largely positive, but mine was originally done 10 years ago, and I can only speak as I found then.
It would be helpful to our community to know how you get on, as it will be helpful for others in the future.
Thanks for all the interest and concerns!
The mount is now in the post.
Just to put this in perspective, I stopped at my local garage last week to show it to them and asked if it was an MOT fail and they said no, it would be an advisory as it is not a main engine mount. If the mount is a toyota one then presumably the other converters are using similar ones?
I have been unlucky with having some issues with the car, but so far Woodsport have been helpful in resolving them. When I had the issue with the fuse blowing, Paul spent half an hour on the phone advising the mechanic at the garage the AA had towed the car to advising what to check etc until they found the fault. As far as I know they are the cheapest firm doing the conversion and I havent seen anywhere else advertising a "turn-key" price like they do which I think they deserve credit for.
Paul e-mailed me this morning in response to the picture of the mount after being taken off and said that in 350 conversions they had never seen that happen. I suppose the test is really in how the matter is resolved so I will keep you posted.
I hope this doesnt put people off Woodsport because that would be unfair. I think my biggest problem has been that I am so far away from them as a lot of the issues could have been sorted much quicker if I could take the car back for them to look at. My advice would now be to find the converter nearest to you and go and have a long chat with them if you are thinking V6!
Well said Simon and I suspect Woodsport will have a good look at the mount to see what they can do
My firewall torque mount was quite different, but mine was the first, to be fair, and a long time ago.
(http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f313/2000silver2/My%20V6%20pics%20and%20vids/DSCF2115.jpg)
Where is this mount? I cant find it haha s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Is this the one connected to the crossmember?
I think its the one on the firewall Josh.
The one on the firewall looks completely different to that one.
Mine is similar on the crossmember, this one is also connected to the gearbox, mine is showing no signs of stress or cracks.
I only thought it was the one that bolted to the firewall, as it had 3 bolt holes, but looking at it again, it could be the one that bolts onto the gearbox, on the crossmember side. I can't remember how many bolts that uses to fix to the box casing.
I need to do some revision. Lol
Quote from: "Jrichards20"Mine is similar on the crossmember, this one is also connected to the gearbox, mine is showing no signs of stress or cracks.
Yes, its the rear mount to the cross member on mine that is the problem. Glad to hear yours is fine!
Quote from: "Topdownman"Quote from: "Jrichards20"Mine is similar on the crossmember, this one is also connected to the gearbox, mine is showing no signs of stress or cracks.
Yes, its the rear mount to the cross member on mine that is the problem. Glad to hear yours is fine!
I will be keeping an eye on it now though!! I had the same thing as yours on the drivers side mount where the ball joint part has a gap below and the rubber part is free to move.
The re-inforced mount was delivered today.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/DSC_0194.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/DSC_0194.jpg.html)
Its a few hundred grams heavier now so hopefully will not have any issues. Just need the rain to stop so i can go outside to fit it.
There are some very odd looking welds on there. Any chance of a couple of shots from other sides?
Quote from: "StuC"There are some very odd looking welds on there. Any chance of a couple of shots from other sides?
I'm not sure some of the welding is as pretty as it could be. Or are you looking at something a bit more problematic?
In places looks weird and unnecessary. It might just be the angle of the picture.
I suppose he didnt want any chance of future issues? It is not exactly pretty but then its not something that is on view.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/20161017_135931.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/20161017_135931.jpg.html)
When I tried to fit it on monday night I realised that it was too close to the exhaust at the bottom so had to cut a bit off to give more clearance. I was getting nowhere with a hacksaw so had to go and buy an angle grinder this morning. Luckily there is a screwfix a few minutes away so was back home with my new AG at 7.25am!
You can see the cuts at the bottom;
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/20161018_155751.jpg) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/20161018_155751.jpg.html)
Hopefully the 2-3mm clearance will be ok, I am not sure how much the engine moves.
I just need to check everything is properly tight tomorrow then get a bit of paint on it.
MOT on thursday as it ran out today so no test drive until I take it for the MOT.
What is that horizontal weld under the fixing (2nd picture) on the back for?
I can't see any features it relates to.
The weld across the back is the original break.
What he has done is put a new plate on the other side and the 2 solid square sections running up and down each side for extra strength. He would have had to plate the bush side of the bracket because otherwise it would not have lined up if the plate had been put on the engine side.
Are you happy with it?
I am no expert on welding/fabrication etc so just trust that they know what they are doing!
I have no reason to think this will not work but will keep an eye on it.
I am not bothered about the look of it as it wont be seen once fitted. Without the car there for them to check it was no doubt harder to do than if they could have checked it on the car.
I will be glad to just get the car back on the road but in all likelihood, I had been driving with the bracket fractured for some time and it only being held by the bolts on the edges of the split.
Happy days then if you are happy s:) :) s:)
I guess I am surprised they have fixed a broken part and not made a design change to improve a new bracket. From my background it just seems odd.
I take vin's point on board though. If you are happy with this then, it is not my place to question and complicate matters.
Quote from: "StuC"I guess I am surprised they have fixed a broken part and not made a design change to improve a new bracket. From my background it just seems odd.
I take vin's point on board though. If you are happy with this then, it is not my place to question and complicate matters.
That was also my thoughts dude tbh but I'm not a welder I fabricator so what do I know?!
Showed this to a welding team leader and his words were who welded that my 6 month old could weld better than that.
Quote from: "tomaky"Showed this to a welding team leader and his words were who welded that my 6 month old could weld better than that.
but is it structurally sound and fulfills its purpose?
Only time will tell that one Patrick.
Correct Stu im not saying it wont work, ive had some stella bodges in the past likely worse.
Just getting a second hand professionals opinion. That bracket may be more than adequate to suit its purpose, i hope it is.
s:shock: :shock: s:shock: Who the *Beep* Welded that? Adam n Eve s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
seriously though take it easy on the road pal, or id be taking it back to whoever tried to weld it and asking them to do it again
Amen Steve.
Finally got round to putting in the new battery today.
Very pleased that I have been able to get one with higher 48Ah and 430CCA to have a bit more muscle as its turning over more than originally planned.
(http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af36/skt_photos/Screenshot_2017-02-05-16-28-50.png) (http://s991.photobucket.com/user/skt_photos/media/Screenshot_2017-02-05-16-28-50.png.html)
Got it from here;
m http://www.thebatteryshop.co.uk/yuasa-1 ... 8583-p.asp (http://www.thebatteryshop.co.uk/yuasa-12v-48ah-430a-silver-car-battery-ybx5053-hsb053-8583-p.asp) m