Well having installed the mapped chip i have to say i am impressed.
The difference wasn't as noticable to start with as i first though but this might have been because i was using "map A" and according to the manual i was sent "map B" is the one to use.
Anyway it seems like a different car, much more urgency and no flat spots.
More of an update when i have driven her more!
So is map A purely a bypass to the stock ECU? Also do you find it still works with the unichip power button turned off?
My understanding of it has changed a little as i have read more and been advised more.
It seems BOTH MapA AND MapB are optimised but MapB has more aggresive ignition timing so greater gains but on 30% of cars MapB causes the CEL to come on (according to the instructions).
I've not tried driving with it turned off yet mate but will do tonight nad will report back.
Does anybody else have any questions?
On the premapped chips map a is a slightly less agressive tune, map b more so, Some owners may find map b to much (CEL's etc.) so map a would be thone to run on. You can of course have them any way you want on your own chip once you have it tuned..
The car wont run at all with the power switched off, as it turns off the power to you main ecu not the unichip.. (its for resetting CEL's when tuning)
Glad you like it James!
Presumably map A is for economy and B is for the grins s:D :D s:D
Try map A next time you do the long trip Home/Uni and see how your full consumption goes. Hopefully it'll save me a few squids in petrol when I get mine!
Where have you routed the switches to s:?: :?: s:?:
Quote from: "GSB"The car wont run at all with the power switched off, as it turns off the power to you main ecu not the unichip.. (its for resetting CEL's when tuning)
Mine still runs! It can't just be a 2ZZ thing.
Wooaaaaaaaaahhh
Just a quick update - last night the second tank op "Esso Supreme" went in and it seems a different car, the twisty drive home FLEW by...i mean i felt a BIG difference and this was back on MapA.
I'll get both map's dyno'd on friday and let you know!
Quote from: "bigun007"Wooaaaaaaaaahhh
Just a quick update - last night the second tank op "Esso Supreme" went in and it seems a different car, the twisty drive home FLEW by...i mean i felt a BIG difference and this was back on MapA.
I'll get both map's dyno'd on friday and let you know!
Look forward to getting mine in when I get to bypass the security plate and empty the tank to fill up with some higher octane fuel s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "heathstimpson"Where have you routed the switches to s:?: :?: s:?:
I haven't YET, this is because my locker floor has some holes in it already for my amp wires to run through so i just have them through those and sat on the locker floor.
I am intending to mount them where that flat surface is just behind your left elbow. No spliceing of wires needed (hopefully) other wise i think i'll use the window isolation switch!
Sorry to be stupid but I'm somewhat confused. The thread suggest that Unichip comes with 2 maps, I'm having mine done at the end of the month and it is being mapped to my car on a rolling road. Is it the same thing? s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
If you bought an unmapped chip, then no, it won't come with any maps - but it will have the facility to hold two that your tuner produces.
This is exciting stuff guys. Can't wait to hear some more feedback on the chip. Please keep us "late adopters" posted on progress, and for those being mapped, maybe drop a few hints where the good (& - hopefully not - bad) tuning companies are around the country.
BTW - anyone know of Unichip compatability issues with the MR-S? I've heard that the ECUs are different to euro-spec MR2s, (CEL code reading and all that) but I'm ignorant of the full facts. Any guidance much appreciated.
Rolling road at 10AM on friday - i'll scan and post the Dyno's!
I am going to do 3 runs.
1st run with MapB
2nd run with MapA
And then looking at the results i'll do another MapB or one with the original ECU only just to see what she was developing exactly before the chip.
Looking forward to the results on this one!!!!
Quote from: "bigun007"Rolling road at 10AM on friday - i'll scan and post the Dyno's!
I am going to do 3 runs.
1st run with MapB
2nd run with MapA
And then looking at the results i'll do another MapB or one with the original ECU only just to see what she was developing exactly before the chip.
Where you going to get it done?
Its a place down south - called Gerard Dale Motorsport - in my local village and they are the only RR in Sussex apparently.
I read several good reviews from Caterham owners and decided to go for it!
Quote from: "bigun007"Its a place down south - called Gerard Dale Motorsport - in my local village and they are the only RR in Sussex apparently.
I read several good reviews from Caterham owners and decided to go for it!
Ahhh, so you're not getting it done Hull end.
Quote from: "Darth Paul"Quote from: "bigun007"Its a place down south - called Gerard Dale Motorsport - in my local village and they are the only RR in Sussex apparently.
I read several good reviews from Caterham owners and decided to go for it!
Ahhh, so you're not getting it done Hull end.
I might be getting mine done Hull way as i am from York! Is there a dealer up around this area?
Dom
Quote from: "Dominic_Gregory"Quote from: "Darth Paul"Quote from: "bigun007"Its a place down south - called Gerard Dale Motorsport - in my local village and they are the only RR in Sussex apparently.
I read several good reviews from Caterham owners and decided to go for it!
Ahhh, so you're not getting it done Hull end.
I might be getting mine done Hull way as i am from York! Is there a dealer up around this area?
Dom
No - i was going to but i have "reading week" this week so thought i'd get the dyno done down here but depending on the results i might get it tuned up there - when were you thinking of getting it done as if they are doing 3 they might offer discount?
Quote from: "Dominic_Gregory"I might be getting mine done Hull way as i am from York! Is there a dealer up around this area?
Dom
I've fired an e-mail off, will let you know when i get a reply!
There are two places in the locale:
Dennis Vessey Vehicle Repairs @ Barnetby Wold (Nr Brigg)
01652 688904
And
John Noble Motorsport @ Chesterfield
01246 272749
I went to Dennis Vessey. They were generally very good and knowledgeable. They do alot of sports/rallying work and last week had a Hayabusa-powered Westfield on the rolling road! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
However, they mapped the chip and I got some surprising results. I have the A'Pexi CAI and TTE Twin (and had a tank of half Ron 95 and half Ron 97 at the time). Also their calibration equipment is 10% out – you need to add 10% to the final figure. s:? :? s:?
The dyno shows 127bhp @ 6000rpm. Add 10% and you get 140bhp. s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:? :? s:? That's with the Unichip.
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/Dyno%20C9HUB.jpg)
So I'd be very interested to see other people's results. What happed to the 138bhp stock? Does the A'Pexi CAI and TTE Twin actually make the vehicle lose power?
Still, the in-gear pick up is a lot better – there is more 'go'. Still... s:? :? s:?
Interesting stuff Paul, how did you feel on that result? s:? :? s:? I think it has been discussed before about various intakes losing the vehicle power, not so sure I am looking forward to getting mine now...
On base dyno, didn't Coleys do 116bhp at JAE? Mind you it was a warm day.
Though i've never rated the Apexi from a performance point of view, any results you get with it on the dyno are going to be worse than any results you could get on the road with the Apexi. Mainly because of heat soak, I presume they used fans but still your going to lose some cold air flow compared to on the road.
How can there Dyno be out by 10% out? Why haven't they corrected it if they know it's out? I'd be wary of how accurate that dyno is.. s:? :? s:?
Unless the wheels were slipping on the rollers, which is doubtful for a low powered car like ours (relatively speaking of course), i can't see how it'd be out by much at all. I guess the ram air effect is going to be completely nulled on a dyno, unless they forced air into the engine bay with a fan,
What you need is some sort of real world measuring device that will allow you to test out on the open road. See if it matches.
Quote from: "Liz"Interesting stuff Paul, how did you feel on that result?
PISSED.
Quote from: "MRMike"I presume they used fans but still your going to lose some cold air flow compared to on the road.
They had an enormous fan blowing on the front of the car, and another blowing down into the engine bay.
Quote from: "MRMike"How can there Dyno be out by 10% out? Why haven't they corrected it if they know it's out?
They said it's because they have hundreds of maps in there...
Quote from: "MRMike"I'd be wary of how accurate that dyno is.. s:? :? s:?
Indeed. s:? :? s:? Now I want it on another rolling road, but I really don't want to fork out another £250... s:x :x s:x
it won't cost you £250 just to get a dyno done, whether you decide it needs retuning or not will determine if it's that expensive.
was teh figure quoted at teh wheels or at teh crank?
Crank.
I'd be expecting that kind of figure at teh wheels,
so assuming it was a true rolling road, are you sure they corrected the reading to get a true corrected reading?
Quote from: "markiii"I'd be expecting that kind of figure at the wheels,
so assuming it was a true rolling road, are you sure they corrected the reading to get a true corrected reading?
Well, that's the 65,000 dollar question isn't it. s:? :? s:? When they first told me I thought it was at the wheels. I almost died when they said it was the crank.
My dyno is costing just £57 FYI
Quote from: "bigun007"My dyno is costing just £57 FYI
Yes, but Paul had his tuned as well which is where the extra cost came in.
Quote from: "Darth Paul"Quote from: "Liz"Interesting stuff Paul, how did you feel on that result?
PISSED.
No wonder s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
A fan into the engine bay is all very weel, but its not blowig air over the car at 120 mph, which is what it would be doing in the real world... I would guess that unless the fan blowing your engine bay was hurrican ivan, you'll be losing a little power due to the intake that would be restored under normal driving conditions...
I have to confess, at first glance those gains dont look that impressive, especially given the local METAR weather data for the morning you had it done gives an air temperature of only 1degC, and a pressure of 1024mBar. It shows 100% humidity too, but I cant remember offhand how humidity effects performance of Naturally aspirated engines. Of course these figures refer to the outside world, what was the intake air temp on your engine at the time?
The bit that really spells it out for me though, is that fact that you mapped the car on 50/50 95-97 RON fuel... You'd have had far more impressive results running on 100% 97 RON. Still, you got 12bhp from a fairly crap mix of fuel, which can't be sniffed at...
Also, someone mentions tyre slip being a casue for losses on the dyno, I'm going to point out those bloody great wheels you have on there at the moment as a possible cause of further losses?
a very good point ref the wheels, howeverfor comparison I beleive they were exactly the same wheels that Martin had on when having his unichip dyno done.
which definately makes me wonder how they corrected for drivetrain losses.
Did they take any info specifically from your car? or do they have a stock assumption that they used.
Hi !
Mine was dynoed at 144bhp at the wheels before AND after fitting the UNICHIP, there was no noticable or measurable increase in BHP in fitting the UNICHIP, except for a tiny spike at near maximum RPM which could have been a glitch.
I have to point out however that these figures are taken at maximum throttle throughout the rev range, i.e. the engineer floors the accelarator and the curve is based on that as the engine works itself through the rev range.
I was hoping for a 5 - 10 BHP increase so was a bit disappointed when I did not see it. It does seem more driveable however with some improved low down torque !
Crankshaft
Another good point, many dyno operators "guestimate" transmission losses on the run down after a full power run, by measuring the amount of power required to drive the wheels with the rollers, its a shit way of doing things though...
The major problem with dyno's that no operator seems to ever explain to you, is that they dont actually measure horsepower. They measure speed, time, and torque applied to the rollers by the tractive effort of your tyres, and then calculate the amount of horsepower that would have been required to accelerate the rollers, or the amount of power required to apply a known torque value to the rollers. Both of these are dependant on your tyres and wheels for the transfer of force.
The only "real" way to interpret a dyno result is to forget the ultimate numbers and compare one run against another. You can then work out the % gains or losses between the 2 runs, and have a far better indication of whats going on...
so arguably that equates to anything betwen 12 and 14% increase and torque to match,
not so shabby after all.
ref teh intake and exhaust
TTE exhaust is purely a cosmetic mod, so no BHP here, figure on loosing 1BHP for the Apexi, though it's arguably worth it for teh noise.
Quote from: "markiii"so arguably that equates to anything betwen 12 and 14% increase and torque to match,
not so shabby after all.
ref the intake and exhaust
TTE exhaust is purely a cosmetic mod, so no BHP here, figure on loosing 1BHP for the Apexi, though it's arguably worth it for the noise.
Yeah, I appreciate the 12-14% power gain. It's just I wanted a figure for 'pub talk'! s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
For a "pub talk" dyno figure, get the operator to stick the intake air measurement probe next to the exhaust manifold. When the software calculates "corrected" power (to ISO, SAE, or whatever other standard) you should have a nicley inflated power figur to impress all the guys in the pub with...
Personally though, I prefer to say I have "only" 138bhp, and the trounce every one of them one the drive home... s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
This is exactly why I bought the Gtech. Because you really can't guage anything by the numbers Dyno's put out, the difference is what's important, and as has been said 12-14% is significant. If you really want a number for pub talk, why not work up 12-14% of 138 and add it. Admitedly you have no idea what it was putting out before, but at least you know what 'difference' it has made. To assume that your car was putting out the manufacturers BHP is a fairly safe assumption.
But I can imagine in the same situation that I'd be a bit annoyed with having a dyno session and not being any wiser after it. I would look at it this way, you had to have a dyno to map the car anyway. You now know your car has 12-14% more power.
So as an approximate start figure you are in the lead with 158 BHP
Time for everyone else to try and beat you
Quote from: "Darth Paul"Indeed. s:? :? s:? Now I want it on another rolling road, but I really don't want to fork out another £250... s:x :x s:x
Quote from: "markiii"it won't cost you £250 just to get a dyno done, whether you decide it needs retuning or not will determine if it's that expensive.
Quote from: "Slacey"Quote from: "bigun007"My dyno is costing just £57 FYI
Yes, but Paul had his tuned as well which is where the extra cost came in.
s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "Jap GT300"So as an approximate start figure you are in the lead with 158 BHP
Time for everyone else to try and beat you
How does that work? s:?: :?: s:?:
Quote from: "bigun007"Quote from: "Jap GT300"So as an approximate start figure you are in the lead with 158 BHP
Time for everyone else to try and beat you
How does that work? s:?: :?: s:?:
Stock power + 138hp
14% of that is 20hp
Add them together. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Yeah i got that much but where did the 12-14% come from?
Yeah but the engine power may not have been 138 BHP stock - power output can vary from engine to engine.
Did they not do a pre-chip dyno reading, the garage I am taking mine to said that they would do it? Or is that going to be extra!
I'm hoping to take mine to Millways in a few weeks time to get a proper dyno run, from what I've heard from speaking to them, these lads seem to be pretty clued up on both MR2's and Unichips. Hopefully they'll get the most from what modifications I have already. They can do 2 cars in a day if anyone wants to come with? s:) :) s:)
When mine finally arrives (anyone from the "second" batch been asked for the rest of the payment yet?) I will be taking it to Millway hopefully. So I would be interested in how it goes for you.
Simon
To be honest I am wondering whether to make the trip to Millways as they have had experience of doing the '2, if mine arrives shortly I would be in with you for a trip there.
Quote from: "Liz"To be honest I am wondering whether to make the trip to Millways as they have had experience of doing the '2, if mine arrives shortly I would be in with you for a trip there.
I'm starting to think along the same lines as I don't think you can beat someone with good experience of the 2. I already have my chip so may be able to come along dependent on date. How much do they quote if you have prefixed the chip yourself s:?: :?: s:?:
I think I'll be going to Millways too and I have pre installed my chip.
Also looking around at prices they are rather modest in there pricing compared to others who really hit you on tuning. I think I'm in the second batch too so I won't be going for 2-3 weeks, but would be good to have some company in the waiting room! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: Hope to take a good video of my car on the rollers! s:P :P s:P
Are millways open on saturdays? Just wondering wheather I will need to take a days holiday! s:? :? s:?
Sadly Millway is not open on Saturdays. Have booked with them toinstall and tune on 28th
Quote from: "Bowman"Sadly Millway is not open on Saturdays. Have booked with them toinstall and tune on 28th
What did they quote the approx price to be s:?: :?: s:?:
I've got to wait 6 weeks for my exhaust - so might be some time yet.
Millways is my "local" dealer, and they told me £120 (ish) + VAT, based on an hourly rate of £60. I reckon you can spend as long as you like, and as many dynos as you want, as long as you pay the hourly rate.
By the way they weren't too keen on the idea of a Group Tune! s:cry: :cry: s:cry:
Roger
£470 supply/fit/tune. Last year MR2OC had a rolling road day down there. I believe they are one of the best for Unichip and Toyota, reccommended by Daestek
Quote from: "roger"I've got to wait 6 weeks for my exhaust - so might be some time yet.
Roger
I'm not in a major rush as they sent me a pretuned chip in error so hope to get this in and see how it goes next week.
Dyno Results are in:
MapB Peak Power: 163.4 BHP @ 6676 RPM
MapA Peak Power: 164.4 BHP @ 6641 RPM
MapB Peak Torque: 137.9 Lb Ft @ 4771
MapA Peak Torque: 140.6 Lb Ft @ 4771
Scanner seems broken atm altho will try and sort something
Nice result, did you do a run without the chip?
Just had a look at fitting mine but there is a metal plate covering at least one of the ECU plugs, which prevents me from unplugging. The plate is secured with 2 antitamper star screws - bugger. My 2 is a facelifted 03 model. Gonna have a look at Halfords % B&Q to get a suitbale socket.
Send GSB a pm s:) :) s:)
Cheers guys, just got PM from Grant. I'm sure that I read somewhere that you can get these star socket things.
Rusty - just PM'd you. I'm in your n'hood this afternoon, so feel free to shout me for the star thingy.
Quote from: "spit"Rusty - just PM'd you. I'm in your n'hood this afternoon, so feel free to shout me for the star thingy.
Had a look at mine yesterday.
I think you'll find it's not an ordinary torx fitting, it has a raised dimple in the middle that will prevent you using the torx.(http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/style_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif)
Removed mine with a dremmel and big screwdriver!
20 min job.
longest part was taking the compartment apart.
Simon
Fitted mine today and have a couple of questions for the others that did theirs already. Where did you position the Unichip box as the suggested location must foul the plastic cubby hole insert s:?: :?: s:?: And did you find the existing loom wiring very tight to the other Unichip box s:?: :?: s:?: I have cut back the tape etc but several wires are still pulling quite tight when tyraped as suggested.
Anyway with it installed and a tank of super unleaded I took it for a 100 mile spin today. Definately a noticable change s:lol: :lol: s:lol: It pulls through the range with more eagerness, and accelerates faster s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "RUSTY"Just had a look at fitting mine but there is a metal plate covering at least one of the ECU plugs
Me too.. s:( :( s:(
So, what with that and the fact that the space under my l/h rear bin is taken up with the smt ecu s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: , I didn't have a very successful spannering session!! s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
You need to PM GSB s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I am going to set about checking out mine tomorrow, large hammer at the ready s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
As Heath has already posted, the special tool required for fitting has been sourced and is now available. (Phew...). PM heath for more details.
Of course, your car is now out of warranty Liz, so feel free to remove them how you see fit.
My mate from *cough* fords *cough* can get me one, so anybody in the Hull area needs one, give me a shout. (my chip was despatched on saturday)(http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_30_104.gif)
Reading the above I would imagine these are the same style star bolts as what what used to bolt on my brake calipers to my Corsa (six pointed stars if i recall correctly), if so I have a full set of these sockets s:P :P s:P . You can get them from Halfords... or you could.
No they are a different type - I made the same assumption and found out the hard way. They are a five point star with centre pin. You won't be able to buy them from any shop. PM Heathstimpson.
Yes they are a five pin security plus torx that can only be bought by the trade. Luckily my dad has a garage and can get a set of seven from his Snap On supplier. PM me if you want a set Lee.
Booked in at Millways 24 March. As I said before have to wait for new exhaust, hence the delay.
Any other stragglers, happy to see you.
BTW, I was greeted with "Oh another one!". At least they will get plenty of practice before mine s8) 8) s8)
They were also very non-plussed about fitting the harness. Basically if we can do it, it will save time, which will save money.
I've installed my chip - went OK now that I have the right tools (cheers Heath). My car is an 03 model so after removing the metal plate shrouding the ECU i pulled the 2 smaller plugs from it and found I had to cut the tape around the wires in order to seperate each of the plugs going into the Unichip harness from the plugs that remain plugged into the ECU. Also, the zip tie they supply is too short to go around the harness box and the loom that goes through the firewall. I bought some from B&Q which are 295mm long - worked fine.
Performance wise - all 2s should come like this from the factory. I've not dyno'ed or timed the car since fitting and nor do I intend to. There's a big enough difference to notice and that's good enough for me. Basically the engine now feels much sweeter and freer revving with much better low down and part throttle response. At the top end there is now more power - it makes you want to explore the upper rev range because there is now a reward worth searching for.
One thing that I did notice was that the engine is so much more responsive throughout the rev range. When revving the engine out through the gears it's now possible to chirp the wheels, without being really aggressive, between gear changes in the lower gears. I'm sure this is due to the better response when coming back on the power.
Overall a definite improvement - this should be one of your first mods. There's no excuse - just buy a premapped chip (that's what mine is) and if you want to go chasing absolute max power you can always get it remapped for your car but to be honest I don't think I'm gonna bother, it's already a big improvemnt as it is. Just for the record mines running on map A but I always run Optimax. No CEL's so far so good.
I had to cut the loom to as the wires were pulling too tight. I never replaced the plate either. Where did you mount the actual Chip as the suggested area is not wide enough s:?: :?: s:?:
My chip is velcro'd to the back of the plastic piece that fits in the sied of the luggage compartment and shields the hood drains. It makes it very easy to get at for mapping. I already have an amp below the floor, so theres no room there, but that would have been my first choice.
I mounted my chip on the floor of the compartment but as GSB rightly points out, this is no good if you've already stuck an amp there!
I did my dyno run today at millways;
Before: 147BHP
After: 148BHP
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/DSCF0250.JPG)
But as you can see the only reason I had a good 1st read was because I had a power spike at the end. Now I have power and torque throughout!
You do notice the difference although I think James (Bigun007) will still be faster!
We'll have to do a club dyno day me's thinks! s:D :D s:D
Can anyone host a video of a dyno run for me please?
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/DSCF0248.JPG)
Lee, if I'm reading your post right, are you saying that the Unichip only got you a 1BHP increase?! Or do you mean 147 on map 1 and 148 on map 2?
He got 1bhp due to the power spike in the first run, if you look there are greater gains everwhere apart from the end lol.
We reckon it might be because the fan was blowing into the rad at the front and the apexi would have been drawing HOT air in.
Yeah thats correct, but it feels a fair bit quicker all through the rev bands. You can drive it on saturday Dan. (Gas struts s:D :D s:D )
Quote from: "LeeUK"You can drive it on saturday Dan. (Gas struts s:D :D s:D )
Oh yeah! I almost forgot... s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
On refill I found I only got 24MPG since fitting the Unichip s:shock: :shock: s:shock: On checking found it was on Map B which obviously drinks fuel. Stick to Map A as it feels very similar in response s:? :? s:?
I too am using more fuel – around 210-220 miles per tank. s:? :? s:?
not that surpriseing
more power requires more fuel
Mine's settled down on the second tank full.
The first only returned 29.5 mpg
The latest (after our "chip run") returned just over 32 mpg.
Lead foot syndrome?
Unichip maps are only active above 75 to 80% thottle, and under hard acceleration. The rest of the time the Toyota ECU is in charge, utilising the feedback from the O2 sensors to optimise the fuel/air ratio. I reckon you're playing with your new toy to much Paul! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "GSB"Lead foot syndrome? I reckon you're playing with your new toy to much Paul! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Never! Not true. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Mine has settled fown too!
Has ne1 else noticed an increase in power after a few days....is this because the standard ECU is "learning" the new rules the unichip is enforcing with regards to fuelling ect?
Quote from: "markiii"not that surpriseing
more power requires more fuel
Not actually true in this case! Back when I had mine tuning, the fueling never had to be touched - what made all the difference was adjusting the timing to be more agressive. As such - fitting a Unichip is a fuel *saving* device, as for the same power output, you can use less throttle. Of course, now the engine is running that bit quicker, you're spending more time up the rev range, and that's where your fuel is going...
Safely back from Millway, slighty knackered having got up at 0400 this morning to make it there for 0830. Thanks to Grant for fitting mine in for me and for wiring my seats...the results, well I have 153 at the crank, a plus of 15BHP, depending on what stock was of course, but the difference in the car is amazing. It feels more refined and the change is more noticable in the lower rev bands, just a blip on the throttle now and your off. A good mod IMHO. s:) :) s:)
Here is the printout:
(http://www.lizmyers.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/1110218636.jpg)
As a footnote to this - just had to change insurers, Liverpool Victoria told me to take it out as they wouldn't cover me, yeah like I am going to do that! s:roll: :roll: s:roll: When I first insured with them they said that all mods were covered, turns out that they weren't s:evil: :evil: s:evil: With Adrian Flux now, they have covered everything, just waiting on the phone at the moment to tell LV where I would like stick my unichip....sideways!
OMG! s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock: Has anyone else been out as a passenger in the car since they have had this fitted? Just been taken out by Simon...heated seat demo as well! It feels far more torquey and the acceleration pushed me back in the seat, with a response trained driver like he is it was quite an experience!
That sounds like a real worthwhile mod Liz. Was your chip already mapped ? or did they map it at Millways? Looking at the printout it looks as though you're right , more torque just about everywhere. I think that's what the stock engine lacks, if anything.
Enjoy!!!
Mine was mapped by Millway Nigel, nice bunch of people down there!
I've now had a day or so to mull over the changes that the Unichip has brought up, and more importantly, I've had a chance to compare the car in pre and post unichip mode... The difference is quite simply staggering...
The final peak power figure Millway extracted from my car was 156bhp, running on 97 Ron Esso Super. The peak figure doesnt tell the whole story though, in fact it doesn't even come close... Peak power is all very well for grabbing headlines, but its the rest of the rev range thats surprised me...
I've been analysing the dyno plot (I dont have a scanner so I cant post it here yet, but point for point its so close to Martin's pre turbo dyno plot (http://mph.florentis.com/mr2/unichip.png) its uncanny. So by all means refer there unil I get my camera and take a photo of it.), and one thing has become very apparant, both on paper and on the road... The car pulls like a train from astonishingly low revs.
This is most telling by the fact that when I got the car (I swapped from a 5 speed '01) I had to train myself to drop two gears rather than one and grab 4th to pick up some proper speed on motorways. Dropping to 5th didnt seem to have any marked effect. On the way home from millway, I not only found that car was comfortable cruising at about 10mph faster than normal, but I wasnt having to drop gears at all. 6th gear has become a proper usable cog, wheras before I had no use for it rather than economy. Economy isnt the reason I bought this car, and before now I'd rather have had the slicker shifting 5 speed.
Analysing the plot, the reason why has become apparant. Toyota quote the peak torque of this engine as 125 ft/lbs. Thats the absolute max, with most of the rev range being less than that, although the 1ZZ is comendable in that it maintains the vast majority of that 125 ft/lbs for a large portion of the rev range. With the Unichip, the engine now knocks out much more torque than Toyotas quoted maximum throughout almost the entire rev-range! In fact the only time it dips below 125lb/ft is at about 6000 rpm, when the torque curve makes its usual decline. Better than that, it maintains just under 140 ft/lbs from 2000 all the way through to 5000 rpm, with a peak of about 142 ft/lbs at around 4000 to 4200rpm... Thats about a 20% gain!
This inflated torque band, rather than the headline 156bhp, is what makes itself felt in normal driving and enables faster acceleration, and easier overtaking. It throws you back in your seat that much harder, and really feels like the engine is doing some serious work. It also sounds better, like the engine really wants to get on with the job in hand, Its a pretty nice soundtrack...
Of course most people think bhp is the be-all and end-all of performance, but the Unichip seems to deliver there as well. The power curve has moved up and left, meaning theres more power coming earlier in the rev range. So much so that the usual peak power of 138bhp now comes up at a relatively lowly 5500rpm, but this is just a short stop on the way up the power band, which now achieves its peak at 6300rpm, some 800 rpms later.
So, overall, I'd have to agree with Martin, who's mantra over the last couple of years is very true... For ages he's been telling us how good the Unichip is and by and large we as members of MR2ROC have steadfastly ignored him, plumping for CAI's and dual exhausts... But the cold hard facts are these;
The unichip is quite simply, the best value for money modification you can get.
In terms of performance per £, it's leagues ahead of everything else you can possibly do to this car. Forget Cold Air Intakes, they dont work, they just sound nice. Exhaust systems like the H&S or the TTE? Very worthwhile mods, but in terms of bhp per £ spent, they're only 20% as effective as the Unichip, if that. I really cant say it any plainer...
Couldn't agree more. What suprises me is that when gunning through the gears, when you let the clutch out after changing gear and you press the accelerator again there is much more urge - that's the torque. Overall the engine just feels much better, it revs much more sweetly, reminds me of my old 205 GTI 1.6, it sings throughout the rev range - this alone is worth installing the Unichip for. But not only that, it also means there is real shove at the top end - as you rev the engine out you get that elastic feel to the engine as it really takes off. Bear in mind that my only engine mods are a H&S inlet pipe (my intake sytem is stock apart from that) and a H&S twin exhaust, neither of these made a massive difference performance wise. Exhaust makes a much better noise though!
My thoughts are, if you want engine performance, make a Unichip your first mod as this will get you most of the NA performance available for the least amount of money. Add a front strut brace and Corky's breast plate and you've got some seriopus increases in performance for reasonable money.
My thoughts exactly. IMHO the best, most effective mods you can make are, in order of performance cost effectivness, and the all important grin factor are:
1/ Driver training. Not a car mod per se, but you cant expect the car to do its best when theres a lemon at the controls...
2/ A decent set of tyres. Frankly the OEM tryes are crap. Dont scrimp and buy decent sports rubber, and your car will really talk to you.
3/ Chassis Bracing. Especially on the pre '04 models. The extra rigidity is really confidence inspiring, which means you can go faster.
4/ The Unichip. Decent gains in driveability for affordable money.
5/ A decent exhaust. Not so much for performance, although it helps. The soundtrack is very inspiring though, and really urges you on!
Looking forward to the tuning s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I've always thought the '2 pulled very well in lower gears (certainly much better than I am used to), so what you are saying Grant is it is going to be XXtimes better. Excellent.
One small question of those that have been to Millways - did you take all the plastic off beforehand (cupboard door, floor etc), or did they do it?
Thanks
I did notice one thing on our "chip run" when I set off behind bigun007 on our runs, each time we did this I had to back off quite considerably to avoid adjusting his rear bumper, this meant I lost the momentum to give any real comparison, James did say that he was getting wheel spin in second gear, where-as I had no problems whatsoever (even in the damp conditions), I do accept that he did have the power advantage, but I wonder what the difference is between the pre-facelift models *thinks (Humber Bridge James?)*
btw. if anybody wants a vid' of the chip run i'll pass it to you on msn (23mb) ackers@hotmail135****.com (forget the stars)
I think te differences are more likely between different engines. as I said beforemy '04 and mph's dyno's are so close they could be the same car, yet theres 4 years between them.
As for the question regarding the plastics?
I installed the chip myself, takes about 15 minutes...
Millway do all the work required no need to take anything off
Quote from: "GSB"As for the question regarding the plastics?
I installed the chip myself, takes about 15 minutes...
Sorry Grant, not made myself clear.
I've also installed the (unprogrammed) chip, and replaced all the plastics. Did you take the plastics off again before you went to Millways - or did they do it?
<EDIT>Thanks Bowman - crossed in the post s:roll: :roll: s:roll: </EDIT>
Grant put the differences far more eloquently that I did s:oops: :oops: s:oops: Been out a few times today and took the longer route everywhere..on a country lane I done an overtake I never would of gone for before, just because I know that the power is so readily available now. The car should come out of the factory like this IMHO.
Quote from: "roger"Quote from: "GSB"As for the question regarding the plastics?
I installed the chip myself, takes about 15 minutes...
Sorry Grant, not made myself clear.
I've also installed the (unprogrammed) chip, and replaced all the plastics. Did you take the plastics off again before you went to Millways - or did they do it?
<EDIT>Thanks Bowman - crossed in the post s:roll: :roll: s:roll: </EDIT>
Ahh, I see. They'll do it for you I imagine. but all they need to get to is the Unichip itself so they can plug in the laptop. Mine is mounted on the back of the side panel, so all I have to do is pull the 2 little fasteners off and swing the panel down.
Quote from: "Les"I did notice one thing on our "chip run" when I set off behind bigun007 on our runs, each time we did this I had to back off quite considerably to avoid adjusting his rear bumper, this meant I lost the momentum to give any real comparison, James did say that he was getting wheel spin in second gear, where-as I had no problems whatsoever (even in the damp conditions), I do accept that he did have the power advantage, but I wonder what the difference is between the pre-facelift models *thinks (Humber Bridge James?)*
btw. if anybody wants a vid' of the chip run i'll pass it to you on msn (23mb) ackers@hotmail135****.com (forget the stars)
I was waiting for everyone to be ready mate so was sat in first gear just trickling along s:) :) s:)
I'm currently running a premapped chip but have others mods that may change things slightly like the H&S exhaust and air intake, TRD panel filter etc. How much benefit would I get by having the chip retuned to my actual car s:?: :?: s:?: I do intend to do this sometime in the future anyway, but just want to establish the difference I might see against the premapped unit.
You'll probabley see no difference at all in terms of how the car feels, but you may eek out a couple of ft/lbs here, a bit of extra power there... You'll basically optimise it for your engine...
Quote from: "GSB"Mine is mounted on the back of the side panel, so all I have to do is pull the 2 little fasteners off and swing the panel down.
Grant
Good idea, I'll sort that out.
Presumably the 2 switches are there as well, or have you pulled them through to the front of the car? I was thinking that if I just had unmapped / mapped on A/B, a visible switch wasn't really necessary.
Well, reading through your postings, I am now more than a little disappointed in my unichip investment.
I had it fitted and mapped / dynoed by Millway, mine is a 2001 with 15,000 on the clock, the engine appears healthy, I have the TTE twin exhausts.
Before mapping, I was getting 143 BHP and after 144bhp, so how come you guys are getting at least 10 bhp more than me ???
s:( :( s:(
As I said before, peak bhp is not the inidicator you should be looking at. Its meaningless in the real world. What improvements in torque have you got? How does the car actually feel?
Not all engines respond as well to the unichip, some are already operating very close to peak efficiency, so there is less room for improvement. Also, the majority of the gains are in chages to the ignition, and to get the best from additional advance you need to be running a fuel that can handle it. Super Unleaded should be your juice of choice.
Theres a hundred other reasons why your headline figure isnt that great, atmospheric pressure, temperature, humidity... etc.... The fact is that on the day I went, we had outstanding atmospheric conditions for the operation of internal combustion engines. On a warm summers day, I'd have been severely down on power. When I dynoed my last roadster on a hot day, it was down by 16bhp....
So forgetting the dyno, are you saying you've noticed no difference?
Hi !!
Oh no, I can notice a 'bit' of difference, but I was hoping for a bit more of a boost in terms of raw power and a bit more difference !.
There are no flatspots, and it pulls cleener through the rev range, but the fact is that the cars with more bhp than mine will be quicker (everything else being equal) - whichever way you look at it, power is still king !
I always use optimax fuel and the car was setup & dynoed 3 days before christmas, nice and cold and low humidity, should have been ideal conditions for maximum power.
PaterC
(Devil's advocate hat on) The general impression that I'm getting is that the premapped chips seem to be producing more of a result than those that have been custom mapped, although Grant & Liz seem to have good gains and are describing the same sort of difference that I feel on my premapped unit. According to the Dyno Darth Paul didn't seems to get brilliant results and bigun007s premapped car seemed to be faster than Lee's. (Devil's advocate hat off).
What does everyone think? I mean I know the info is largely subjective since a lot of it is butt dyno and those that have dynoed have used different dynos and other different engine performance mods. The general trend seems to be that the premapped units are bucking the predicted trend, that being that the custom tuned units should be better having being tuned individually to the particular engine's characteristics.
So far only one of the premapped chips has been dynoed, and then there was no comparitive run made agianst stock settings, So the plots gained have no reference point. It could be that on the dyno, on the day, the stock settings could have pumped out an indicated 150bhp on Biguns car, so the Unichip may have gained him just 10bhp. Its a possibility, but we dont know... Thats why its not the headline figures that you should look at, but the comparitive results before and after. In this way any errors introduced on the first run, will also be introduced on the second run, thus the errors cancel themselves out and you have the true picture.
Also there is the possibility that the premapped chips are mapped a little more aggresively than the UK tuners are mapping them. This has some penalties though, let me explain;
I would think it would be a simple matter to get even more power out if my engine, but as always the law of diminishing returns rears it ugly head... The majority of the gains are in increasing the ignition advance. This increases power output, but only up to a point. That point makes itself known when for each degree of advance, you start to trade off smaller and smaller gains in power for much higher combustion temperatures. The trick is for the tuner to carefully work out where that point is and select his settings in such a way as to balance the requirement for power, whilst retaining a little mechanical sympathy, becasue if you keep increasing the advance you will eventually start causing serious problems. I have every confidence that Hedley has tuned my chip to a point where reliability is not compromised, and I am not treading the fineline between power and melted pistons. I cant say the same about premapped chips, as they havent been mapped on my engine, but my guess would be that if they are making more power, they are doing so by running more advance, and therefore are running a little closer to the ragged edge. Not nessesarily right on the edge, the settings are probably fine and Hedley may be a bit more conservative than Unichip USA, after all, nothing ruins your reputation as a tuner faster than a dyno covered in oil and lumps of engine. He has his future business to think about.
So you see the point being made here, is that not only are all engines different, and therefore respond differently to tuning with Unichip, but also, all tuners are different, and they use knowledge and experience to determine how to set up your chip as well as the tools and software available. In a years time I could ask Hedley to take another look at my car, and the chances are that he'll come up with a far different map, based upon his knowledge, experience, and feeling at the time. If he chooses to play it slightly safe, and not tune it up to the very edge, then I for one shant be complaining.
At the end of the day Hedley seems to have the most knowledge on setting up the maps for the 2. When I get round to it I will be heading over to him but will keep the premapped on Map A, and the custom tune on B. I believe this is possible.
Quote from: "heathstimpson"At the end of the day Hedley seems to have the most knowledge on setting up the maps for the 2. When I get round to it I will be heading over to him but will keep the premapped on Map A, and the custom tune on B. I believe this is possible.
He was unable to do it on LeeUk's, Liz's and my car, but I've been in touch with Jack, who I'm hoping will set him straight.
That sounds interesting, it would certainly allow an interesting comparison.
Quote from: "GSB"Quote from: "heathstimpson"At the end of the day Hedley seems to have the most knowledge on setting up the maps for the 2. When I get round to it I will be heading over to him but will keep the premapped on Map A, and the custom tune on B. I believe this is possible.
He was unable to do it on LeeUk's, Liz's and my car, but I've been in touch with Jack, who I'm hoping will set him straight.
Sorry Grant, but can you expand please. According to the GB listing both you and Lee had the unmapped didn't you? Doesn't say for Liz.
Are you trying to put 2 maps on? I was hoping to have 1 unmapped, and 1 mapped. Is this still possible? Not being done until 24th, so I could talk to Hedley in the meantime if that might assist my desires.
<EDIT> Or have I got it wrong...is OFF unmapped, then when ON you have choice of A & B. Haven't got the instructions with me to re-read </EDIT>
Quote from: "roger"Quote from: "GSB"Quote from: "heathstimpson"At the end of the day Hedley seems to have the most knowledge on setting up the maps for the 2. When I get round to it I will be heading over to him but will keep the premapped on Map A, and the custom tune on B. I believe this is possible.
He was unable to do it on LeeUk's, Liz's and my car, but I've been in touch with Jack, who I'm hoping will set him straight.
Sorry Grant, but can you expand please. According to the GB listing both you and Lee had the unmapped didn't you? Doesn't say for Liz.
Are you trying to put 2 maps on? I was hoping to have 1 unmapped, and 1 mapped. Is this still possible? Not being done until 24th, so I could talk to Hedley in the meantime if that might assist my desires.
Of course...
The Unichip does have the facility to store 2 maps, and to select between those maps, "on the fly". The premapped chips come ready installed with this function, on the unmapped chips, both maps are set to zero values. Hedley at millway is familiar with this, but was unable to get it to work on my car or Liz's, or Lee's all of which were unmapped chips. Jack of Unichip reckons it's not a big problem, and the Hedley will be able to sort it out, if he gets in touch with Dastek UK for a bit of guidance. Once sorted I'll go back and get the tuned map and zero map that I wanted.
That's about what he said on mine, "going to check with dastek UK".
Just one thing about the place. COLD! Take some warm clothes!
Anyway, back to the mapping.
the final big figure
163 bhp @ 6766 RPM s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
(http://www.askp40.dsl.pipex.com/dyno001sm.jpg)
Actually that is a glitch in the trace. The actual figure is more like 158 BHP which is still a great gain. s8) 8) s8)
Oh how happy am I, you can feel the difference in all gears through most of the rev range.
Roll on a sunny weekend to play in!
Simon
Quote from: "GSB"Once sorted I'll go back and get the tuned map and zero map that I wanted.
Grant - sorry to be a pain,
Can I ask, have you got the tuned map already on the chip, just can't switch between that and zero? Presumably you are not going for another dyno session?
Just need to check whether to ask about my 24th appointment.
Quote from: "roger"Quote from: "GSB"Once sorted I'll go back and get the tuned map and zero map that I wanted.
Grant - sorry to be a pain,
Can I ask, have you got the tuned map already on the chip, just can't switch between that and zero? Presumably you are not going for another dyno session?
Just need to check whether to ask about my 24th appointment.
My car was tuned on Monday, but at the moment I dont have the facility to switch between the tuned map, and Toyotas stock map. Thats the bit I want to get sorted.
If you're concened , then by all means give hedley a call and talk to him about it. Tell him I've been in touch with Jack at Unichip USA, and he recomended that Hedley get in touch with Gerry at Dastek UK for a run down of how to set the 2 maps up. Hopefully, by the time you get there, it should be sorted out.
Quote from: "GSB"So far only one of the premapped chips has been dynoed, and then there was no comparitive run made agianst stock settings, So the plots gained have no reference point. It could be that on the dyno, on the day, the stock settings could have pumped out an indicated 150bhp on Biguns car, so the Unichip may have gained him just 10bhp
Not true - it made 139 IIRC but had no printout, details are in one of my posts
Mine was unmapped and supplied tuned by Hedley.
I actually am still sceptical as to whether the UNICHIP module is actually switched on and working !
The gains I am seeing in terms of midrange flatspots could also be the placibo/ psycological effect, I really was expecting much much more.
I now wish I had bought the pre-mapped unichip with the plugin harness and saved myself a couple of hundred quid on installation charges and if your reports are accurate, I would have some worthwhile "kick up the a$$" performance gaisn which quite honestly I have not seen.
I have nothing against Hedley, he did a very professional job of the installation and genuinely seemed as surprised as me to see that the bhp gains were negligable.
But the threads here seem to show that the pre-maps are far more more value for money than the individually mapped setup, and that is something I really cannot understand !
I spent over 500 quid for the unichip & mapping and for a 1bhp gain, it's really tough to swallow.
Crankshaft
Grant
Thanks for info, I'll call early next week to speak to him to ensure he has the fix, or if not I will point him in the right direction.
Quote from: "crankshaft"I actually am still sceptical as to whether the UNICHIP module is actually switched on and working !
Maybe you are right, perhaps you have the same problem that because it is not switchable between the two maps you have it on the stock setting. Though if you say Hedley was surprised, I am sure he left it on the right one. Maybe as Grant was saying the conditions were just right to give stock a good showing.
When you are back home you will have to give her a run against somebody else, so you have at least something to compare with - there will be enough of us around the country to meet with you at some time or another.
Quote from: "roger"Maybe as Grant was saying the conditions were just right to give stock a good showing.
It wont be that, you'd still have seen an improvement. In your case I dont think that the premapped chip is goint to make any difference, it would appear that you have an engine that is not that responsive to tuning.
If you want to test it out though, next time you meet anyone with a premapped chip, just unplug the chip from its harness, and plug it into your car. Its only one plug and you'll soon see if it makes any difference...
Had Millway supply and fit Unichip at the end of Feb. According to the dyno chart I have gained about 10bhp. I am now getting 157 @ 6300rpm, the real difference is in the feel of the car. Now feel confident to overtake and you can feel the power. Don't have to floor the accelerator any longer. All of this was with plain old supermarket fuel, have now started to use Optimax and will see if there is any difference
I would expect you to get a bit more with higher grade fuel as this makes quite a difference with the higher inginition advance the engine will now be using.
To echo a few thoughts on this, I am really not sure what I was expecting, I thought that maybe the car would feel totally different which it doesn't, but that is good, bear with me here!
After driving it for a few days I really really like the changes, it is subtle. So nice knowing that the welly is there for overtakes and pulling out, it just feels smoother, more responsive and a real pleasure to drive.
As I have mentioned before have you had a go in the car as a passenger? When you drive it all the time you get so used to it. When Simon drove mine the other night and I was passenger the difference was absolutely amazing. You could really really feel the torque improvements, it shoved me back in my seat, try it please with someone you trust who isn't afraid to put foot down (within legal limits of course), you may be well surprised about how different it really is. s:) :) s:)
I had my first long run in mine today after fitting my premapped chip last night. I didn't get it dynoed before hand and i'm not sure if I'll bother now afterwards as there certainly feels to be a difference. Much like Heath, I may get it done later when/if i change the filter as i've already got the remus exhaust on for the sound..
Getting back to the experiance, then i think it does feel smoother and more responsive - certainly any extra torque seems to have helped the smt smooth/quicken the shifts a little. I also noticed a kinda spinning/spooling up noise today that i've never heard before, which sounded kinda cool.
It's all very subjective and could be exagerated by my prolonged absence from driving (both last year and last week's holiday), but I think it feels faster, and I guess that's the main point! s:wink: :wink: s:wink: It's all new to me, as i have never done anything like this before, so probably wouldn't know what an extra 10-15bhp/ft-lbs feels like anyway s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
sorry to resurrect an old one but i'm just about to wire in the A/B map switch to the holes next to the steering wheel but do i need to move the on/off switch as well, does it even do anything apart from the resetting of the CEL light? i don't have a manual as i bought the unichip second hand
in fact should that be on or off in normal unichip on operation?
Leave it switched on, and then tuck it away out of sight.
All it does is remove the secondary supply from the ECU, which, with the ignition off, will reset the ECU.
cool, cheers Grant, thought this was the case but nice to have it confirmed s:D :D s:D
anyone able to have a rough guess at what kind of gain I would see on a US a/b mapped chip with H&S dual exhaust, gutted manifold and PPE CAI?
Quote from: "Kool PT"anyone able to have a rough guess at what kind of gain I would see on a US a/b mapped chip with H&S dual exhaust, gutted manifold and PPE CAI?
I would have a guess at about 10-15 bhp.
Quote from: "Kool PT"anyone able to have a rough guess at what kind of gain I would see on a US a/b mapped chip with H&S dual exhaust, gutted manifold and PPE CAI?
It varies from car to car... Have a read of the rest of this thread to see typical gains.
Quote from: "GSB"Quote from: "Kool PT"anyone able to have a rough guess at what kind of gain I would see on a US a/b mapped chip with H&S dual exhaust, gutted manifold and PPE CAI?
It varies from car to car... Have a read of the rest of this thread to see typical gains.
I have but most of the members no longer post and it's not always easy to see what they were running when they posted their figures.
simon_c now has a turboed car with close to 300bhp...no idea what he was running when he got 163bhp from the unichip though!
Quote from: "Kool PT"Quote from: "GSB"Quote from: "Kool PT"anyone able to have a rough guess at what kind of gain I would see on a US a/b mapped chip with H&S dual exhaust, gutted manifold and PPE CAI?
It varies from car to car... Have a read of the rest of this thread to see typical gains.
I have but most of the members no longer post and it's not always easy to see what they were running when they posted their figures.
simon_c now has a turboed car with close to 300bhp...no idea what he was running when he got 163bhp from the unichip though!
300bhp s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:D :D s:D
Not quite. it's currently running at 225bhp ish and is more than a handful in this weather.
163 was from TTE exhaust. standard manifold without precats, Trd pannel filer and MarkIII pipe. And a slight spike in the trace! s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Simon
Quote from: "SimonC_Here"Quote from: "Kool PT"Quote from: "GSB"It varies from car to car... Have a read of the rest of this thread to see typical gains.
I have but most of the members no longer post and it's not always easy to see what they were running when they posted their figures.
simon_c now has a turboed car with close to 300bhp...no idea what he was running when he got 163bhp from the unichip though!
300bhp s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:D :D s:D
Not quite. it's currently running at 225bhp ish and is more than a handful in this weather.
163 was from TTE exhaust. standard manifold without precats, Trd pannel filer and MarkIII pipe. And a slight spike in the trace! s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Simon
thought you were ironing out the last of your problems with the 320bhp tune?
jeez...'only' 225bhp? pathetic!
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Kool PT"jeez...'only' 225bhp? pathetic!
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
You are thinking of Jason's green 'un I suggest.
oh yeah...i get both and muffdan's mixed up.
damn green