Look what UPS brought me today...
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/Slaceyturbo.jpg)
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/Slaceyturbo1.jpg)
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/Slaceyturbo2.jpg)
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/Slaceyturbo3.jpg)
Is that an exhaust or a cannon? s:lol: :lol: s:lol: I reckon it may be a little loud s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
We are installing this weekend, there will be a full update soon...
s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s8) 8) s8)
Awesome piece of kit, I really want mine now too!
<---- green eyed monster
Is that it.... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Bet your popular with that lot laid out in your front room s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"Bet your popular with that lot laid out in your front room s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Not at all, AnnMarie helped me unpack it - I think she was as glad as me to see it finally arrive s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
with what that cost I'm not surprised
She probably wanted to make sure what was in there :-) :-) :-)
What is your plan of action, or what does Hass recommend? In other words what order are you fitting everything?
when i fitted mine i installed the e-manage first and made sure the car still ran in NA then installed the turbo. That way when i had a idle problem when i fitted the turbo i knew it was a turbo install problem not the e-manage.
Hope it all goes well at weekend.
slighty OT, and apologies if this has been covered before, but would this kit work with the unichip, or does it have to be the e-manage? I've heard that there is a turbo boost add-on for the unichip...
I think you can run a turbo kit with the Unichip, but in the case of this Hass kit he will only sel it with the Emanage (and soon the Apexi FC).
OK i'll ready myself for a bashing but the unichip is poo compared to the e-manage on a turbo application. The e-manage can drive the injectors duty direct for adding fuel and not just via altering the A/F map. Also it handles larger injectors rather than having to add an extra injector, which involves more work.
I'll get me coat........... s8) 8) s8)
oooohhh
Quote from: "Beanie"oooohhh
ya bugger i was going to say that! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"OK i'll ready myself for a bashing but the unichip is poo compared to the e-manage on a turbo application. The e-manage can drive the injectors duty direct for adding fuel and not just via altering the A/F map. Also it handles larger injectors rather than having to add an extra injector, which involves more work.
I'll get me coat........... s8) 8) s8)
I reckon he's right, could always sell your unichip though
I'll have it
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"OK i'll ready myself for a bashing but the unichip is poo compared to the e-manage on a turbo application. The e-manage can drive the injectors duty direct for adding fuel and not just via altering the A/F map. Also it handles larger injectors rather than having to add an extra injector, which involves more work.
I'll get me coat........... s8) 8) s8)
Well Martin's has been running for over 18 months now, and with several
seriously punishing track days behind it, it's still as strong as ever so there can't be that much wrong with the unichip. As for fitting the fifth injector, I seem to recall it took Headley a couple of hours to modify the intake manifold and another hour or so to program it. This length of time was comparable to that required to remove and refit the injectors (then remove them again when they leak etc!).
all true, but the emanage is still teh more elegant solution.
However as steve rightly pointed out, the unichip is capable you just need a different approach.
Never said there was anything wrong with the unichip, just said on a turbo application the e-manage copes better, if you have neither then get the e-manage. It takes about 15mins to change the injectors, i fitted the ones Martin sold me, no leaks, ran smooth straight away after correction factor was put into e-manage. Most of all just about anyone can do this, modifying a manifold to add a injector is more specialist, so more dollar!
Anywho this is a topic drift of epic proportion, i see Sean has gone quiet, maybe he's tucking his turbo up in bed. s:D :D s:D
Damn that turbo is a LOT bigger than i thought it would be...
Is the towel to protect the carpet or the turbo gubbins? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Very tasty peice of kit you have there.
Quote from: "MRMike"Is the towel to protect the carpet or the turbo gubbins? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
or for when Seans enjoyed himself too much over it s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Now now Stuart!
The towel was to protect the carpet, honest! As I expected from a small workshop that handbuilds most of the stuff, it was a little dirty from manufacture. That's my excuse anyway s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Slacey, how much was that with everything (shipping+taxes)?
Unichip has one serious issue, which makes is sucky for major tuning. It can only alter the injector times +-50%. Which means that if you get properly sized injectors for a turbo, you can't really make them work in the lower rpm/load range anymore.
Other than that, it seems to be doing just fine. And obviously, if you "only" double the injectors and that's big enough for you, then the -50% will cover it. Just be prepared to swap the Unichip out when you want more s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "Tem"Slacey, how much was that with everything (shipping+taxes)?
Tem, what I paid is fairly irrelevant as I was given a special price for being their first international customer, so it bears no relation to what it would cost if you bought one now, if you see what I mean s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Mark asked about the MAF mount specifically, so here's a couple of pics...
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/Slaceyturbomaf.jpg)
(http://www.spydermagazine.com/files/Slaceyturbomaf1.jpg)
Quote from: "Slacey"Quote from: "Tem"Slacey, how much was that with everything (shipping+taxes)?
Tem, what I paid is fairly irrelevant as I was given a special price for being their first international customer, so it bears no relation to what it would cost if you bought one now, if you see what I mean s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Ok, let me rephrase that; If he charged you the normal price, how much would it be with shipping+taxes? s8) 8) s8)
I believe the kit now retails for around $4k, shipping was $400 (he's working to get that cheaper, mine was expensive as I needed it for a deadline) and taxes are whatever they calculate on that locally - although my package value was 'amended' slightly s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Slacey"I believe the kit now retails for around $4k, shipping was $400 (he's working to get that cheaper, mine was expensive as I needed it for a deadline) and taxes are whatever they calculate on that locally - although my package value was 'amended' slightly s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Only slightly s:?: :?: s:?: s:wink: :wink: s:wink: Looks good; do you hope to complete the install over the weekend s:?: :?: s:?:
exact prices are at the bottom of this link
http://www.hassauto.com/mr2.htm
don't rely on the website
it's rather out of date
both from pricing (it's gone up) and pictures, the design of the intercooler (it's moved)
oh and the exhaust is now 3" not 2.5"
Quote from: "heathstimpson"Quote from: "Slacey"I believe the kit now retails for around $4k, shipping was $400 (he's working to get that cheaper, mine was expensive as I needed it for a deadline) and taxes are whatever they calculate on that locally - although my package value was 'amended' slightly s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Only slightly s:?: :?: s:?: s:wink: :wink: s:wink: Looks good; do you hope to complete the install over the weekend s:?: :?: s:?:
we've got Monday as well if we need it, but I reckon 2 days shold suffice
if your kit needs a brake-in, what about a run to Paris... I'm sure a few french owners will be please to share a meal (before we try to share a ride s:lol: :lol: s:lol: )
s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "dreambackup"if your kit needs a brake-in, what about a run to Paris... I'm sure a few french owners will be please to share a meal (before we try to share a ride s:lol: :lol: s:lol: )
s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I will be passing through France shortly..... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Awesome Sean! I should have mine in late March. I am excited!
I wonder how Sean & Mark got on this weekend...
Haven't seen either of them on here so either they're still at it, or they're still driving round in it!
just noticed Sean sign on, pm'd him already to find out
It's all good news, so be patient. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Well, it was a long two days (late night yesterday and today)!
The physical install had a couple of minor hiccups due to a couple of bits missing that we had to be creative with, and today we have had... issues with the electronics, but I can now happily say I have boost s:D :D s:D
I'll have more to say tomorrow when I will actually be able to get it out of the garage and drive it s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
so i hear
Any update on this? on the road? what's it like? Tell us!!!
Calm down Liz, all in good time
Its alle exciting, can't wait to hear how it turns out. What were you missing mate?
OK, time to let you all know of the progress so far...
Basically, we had the kit installed by Sunday, it's a most well engineered and built piece of hardware too. Unfortunately we were missing a piece of the IC / intake piping that completed the attachment of the intake > turbo > IC > throttle body, so we got creative and reused the stock rubber intake pipe. Removing the resonator tube even gave us somewhere to attach the BOV!
So, come Monday morning we take her out - and what a blast! It ran as sweet as a nut, right from the smooth idle (I'm running 420cc injectors) to the top of the rev range. The power is nice and linear, climbing smoothly in a really nice power curve, and boy, it's insanely fast s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Now the down side s:( :( s:(
When we got back to Mark's I walked around the back of the car, only to find oil, everywhere. After backing it over the pit again for an inspection, we found it was the oil pan that was leaking. Basically, I made a poor job of re-sealing the pan when we put it back, so it's my own fault. It's a learning curve I guess! At least the actual kit and electronics have been proved to be working as they should.
So, as it stands we ran out of time and my car is still at Mark's. I returned home in a rented Fiat Punto (don't laugh) and I will be going back down on Friday to redo the oil pan. Hopefully that will be the end of the install and the start of the fun! Let's put it this way, you all will be the first to know s:) :) s:)
Lastly, I'd like to say a big thanks to Mark and Christina for the hospitality and assistance, and to Grant (GSB) and Ian (mr-s_turbo) for the technical help s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Sounds like it was generally a success though; look forward to seeing it sometime s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
when there's time Sean, any chance of a few piccies?
and before anyone shows me the Hass ones, i just wanted to see your install
We do have pictures. It started with good intentions with lots of pics but as time went on, the camera generally got forgotten s:oops: :oops: s:oops: But, there is still plenty to see. The camera is with my car though, so it will be the weekend before I can get some uploaded.
Any tips for someone who will be installing a stage II soon?
Quote from: "DARKSTAR"Any tips for someone who will be installing a stage II soon?
Plenty! I will try and put something together soon for you to work from.
Quote from: "Slacey"Quote from: "DARKSTAR"Any tips for someone who will be installing a stage II soon?
Plenty! I will try and put something together soon for you to work from.
oh please do, that would be great. My kit is being shipped out on monday so should be arriving soon I hope
If you need the info before I can do a proper write up, then PM me and I'll PM some info back.
Do we have a picture of the final product yet???
i.e. the turbo installed into your mister???
Quote from: "rainmen23"Do we have a picture of the final product yet???
i.e. the turbo installed into your mister???
I do, and when I get it back to Telford there will be plenty more!
As mentioned asbove, I left the camera at Mark's, so I will try and remember to pick it up when I am back there on Friday.
I'm lookin forward to see them soon s8) 8) s8)
OK, time for an update. The car is running nicely and back home in Telford at last. The attempt to seal the oil pan appears to have worked, and with the last hardpipe in it runs as it should.
There are a couple of minor issius that need dealing with, the ARP studs I got are a little short to be completely confident in -the manifold that Hass builds is pretty chunky to prevent warping and cracking, but this means there isn't a lot of stud left protruding for the nuts to grip, so I will be looking for longer replacements (anyone have any ideas?).
Secondly, after running perfectly for a number of repeated starts, on getting to Telford it idled at 2000 rpm, and after an ECU reset still does so, a vacuum leak has made itself known I think!
The camera is also at home now too, so I shall endeavour to get some pics up tonight.
Im thinking about ordering the HASS kit now.
But do you need to get the stage 1 before ou get the stage 2?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Im thinking about ordering the HASS kit now.
But do you need to get the stage 1 before ou get the stage 2?
No; the Stage II kit adds an intercooler. That's what I went for.
As a further update, the car is now running 100% s:D :D s:D
I have some tidy up work to do to make it all look pretty, then I reckon it will be ready for it's official unveiling!
Cool! have you had it dyno tested yet for torque and bhp?
What do you reckon your 0-60 is now?
Quote from: "bluephoenix"Cool! have you had it dyno tested yet for torque and bhp?
What do you reckon your 0-60 is now?
No and no (only just got it in and running) and have no idea on 0-60 yet either.
Pictures? s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:D :D s:D
yep we are still waiting for the pic's
There's one picture showing some of Slacey's engine bay in this thread here (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6734)
Sorry guys, forgot all about this!
I'll take some tomorrow when it's clean s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Fabulous thread, me wanta Stage II!
There's a bit of unrest on Spyderchat recently about Hass delivery probs, pipes splitting, joints working loose and setup probs. A lot of it might be from peeps who don't appreciate the need to nurture these things, but it'd be good if we can keep this thread going to learn of the day-to-day goods'n'bads of going Turb.
BTW Sean - Enetec has been through the modded exhaust experience
BTW everyone - vid links of Stage II in action !!
(both under http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=21592)
Yeah, I had my share of problems with the kit. The wait was five months in total from order to delivery, there were parts missing (which were with me a week later), I had the infamous intake bell issue and have had minor running problems after that.
During the actual install the above problems were infuriating, although Jay himself did try his best to solve our issues while on holiday in Florida; since then though I have enjoyed the learning curve and quite enjoy fixing anything that may crop up (helicoiling the block being the latest, but that was of my own doing!).
Now I have put around 500 miles on it I reckon I have all of the shakedown problems fixed, although I can say that after the correct parts were fitted, I haven't had a single issue with bolts dropping out or pipes popping off, thankfully.
Oh, and I really must get those pictures tomorrow! s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Quote from: "spit"There's a bit of unrest on Spyderchat recently about Hass delivery probs,
Yeah, placed my order on the 9th of february and I'm 'still' waiting on it to be shipped, been given 4 shipping dates which have all gone. Oh, and it has been fully payed since 2 months back
..frustrating to say the least
I've been waitinglonger than that.
Quote from: "markiii"I've been waitinglonger than that.
well aren't you something.. s:) :) s:)
seriously though, how much is longer? seeing as you should be ahead of me on 'the list' it would be nice to know how much longer I should expect to wait. Rather than when I write an upset e-mail to them asking when it will be shipped already and Mark gets back to me with " oh any day now" over and over and over again..
I'm just over the 3-month barrier now... which is twice the stated delivery time on the Hass website... s:( :( s:(
Yeah well it also says on their website that 90% of the time the kit ships on time. more like the other way around
but ofcourse their website hasn't been updated since way back
20 something of Jan I ordered.
Hopefuly yours is on teh same batch to be shipped as mine,
so have you been given a date?
supposedly it was at teh courier yesterday.
I'm not holding my breaht but will be calling Jay weither tonigh or tommorow.
Hey guys, thought I would enter my first post to the board.
I think you will find I'm the missing UK order for the Hass. I ordered this last October, had an original shipping date in November 04, paid in full in January and am still awaiting my ship date! I too have had numerous should be shipping next week, waiting for turbos to come in etc, just missing your dual boost control was the last excuse.
Tom
Ah! The mysterious unknown buyer!
Kept that quiet s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Oooops! Let the cat out of the bag now. Just couldn't let people jump the waiting queue
so you've been waiting since october? paid in full in january? and still hasn't been shipped?
That's crazy. I can't believe you've let it go on for this long. You need to call them and get on their backs. I really hope you'll demanded something in compensation for this.
btw, have you guys also paid for shipping costs (coz I haven't)? or is that something you pay in after they've sent it?
Yeah I know. It wasn't really an issue till end of Feb as I had other more pressing nightmares happening in my job to sort out, but now it is getting fustrating, especially as I paid in Jan expecting shipment within 3-4 weeks. I do regularly phone and email Mark and am left with a new promise each time. He told me last week it was sitting ready to go out the door but they hadn't had the dual boost controlers in and did I want to wait! I said no ship it.
But hey your right I should get some compensation for this. Maybe I should ask for the upgraded turbo s:D :D s:D
I am wondering why yours is taking so long Tommy, it should have arrived around the time mine did!
I do admit that I changed my order early Jan from a Stage 1 to a Stage 2 with boost control and added a new clutch. But this was only after waiting 3 months already and they said it would make no difference to my waiting time.
Think I will give Mr Hass a call tonight.
I hope they'll answer. I tried calling 5 times but they have never answered.
If you do get through, tell them us other guys on this side of the world are also missing one turbokit each s:) :) s:)
They seem to have some issues with delivery, you're not the only one s:? :? s:?
m http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=21306 (http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=21306) m
I should've gone PE
I've considered so many times demanding my money back and go to some other company just to let them know this isn't an acceptable way to run a bussiness (wrote an e-mail to Jay about this). Actually we should all do that just to show them... but then again, nothing can beat the price Hass offers which is why I went to them in the first place..
just running out of patience s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "RedRaceR"just running out of patience s:? :? s:?
I'm not surprised - in fact, I'm sure if I tried to do that to my customers, I'd be in court right now!
Easier to get away with it when there's a large expanse of water between you and the customer, I suppose..
Anyhow, drifting I guess.
I can't believe this company is letting so many people down. Most people don't mind a wait, but they are taking the p*ss at the moment. Not just that it is along time but they have said to so many now that it is ready to go or it's in the next batch, but it never is the case.
Lots seem to be defending them (on SC) but the kit isn't the problem or the long delivery time, it's the lies they throw to the customers to give them a "quick fix" of excitement that it may be with them soon.
As expected a few problems are arising that put the emphasis back on that there still isn't a complete bolt on(and forget) kit available, but still if i were to start again i would go for this kit as a package, but i've had 2years of turbo and e-manage tinkering to feel confident with maintaining and tuning with the set up.
If you go this kit or any other, expect niggles and problems, and never believe the maps are doing their job until it's been properly tuned, the risk is too great.
Hope you guys get sorted soon.
well apparently mine has now been dispatched.
just waiting a tracking number.
I won't jump for joy until I get one.
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"If you go this kit or any other, expect niggles and problems, and never believe the maps are doing their job until it's been properly tuned, the risk is too great.
My car is booked in to be fully tuned by Thor, so that should give us a good UK based map to work with.
Quote from: "markiii"well apparently mine has now been dispatched.
just waiting a tracking number.
Push them then Mark, the tracking number is in their hands as soon as the courier accepts the parcel!
Quote from: "markiii"well apparently mine has now been dispatched.
just waiting a tracking number.
I won't jump for joy until I get one.
I hope you do get yours s8) 8) s8)
There's another new topic related to this on SC s:? :? s:?
m http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=22035 (http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=22035) m
I know, this is looking a little worrying.
Did you use Escrow?
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you lot.
Quote from: "Slacey"My car is booked in to be fully tuned by Thor, so that should give us a good UK based map to work with.
When it's done it will be interesting to see how much, if any, adjustments they need to make. MWR maps i had pre-installed were way off. Lets hope you aren't the only Hass turbo'd '2 in the UK that can use it. I'm sorry to say they seem to be going the way of SF s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"When it's done it will be interesting to see how much, if any, adjustments they need to make. MWR maps i had pre-installed were way off. Lets hope you aren't the only Hass turbo'd '2 in the UK that can use it.
The idea is that we will all use it (as we are running exactly the same stage kits) as it has to be better than the US based map that ships with the Emanage - between us we have the necessary equipment to tweak for individuals as required.
Quote from: "Slacey"Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"When it's done it will be interesting to see how much, if any, adjustments they need to make. MWR maps i had pre-installed were way off. Lets hope you aren't the only Hass turbo'd '2 in the UK that can use it.
The idea is that we will all use it (as we are running exactly the same stage kits) as it has to be better than the US based map that ships with the Emanage - between us we have the necessary equipment to tweak for individuals as required.
s:D :D s:D I get that Sean, i meant lets hope your not the only Hass turbo'd kit in the UK that can use it, as yours so far is the only one that has turned up and there is no sign of the others s8) 8) s8) .My map worked great on Perrrys without any adjustment as they were identical kits so your map will be great for transfer to others.
QuotePE turbo,greddy e-manage,profec e-01,aquamist WI,gts injectors,high rate fuel pump,wideband O2
So how much did this turbo setup cost you? How much boost/hp are you running?
just good to know at this point I guess..
Quote from: "RedRaceR"QuotePE turbo,greddy e-manage,profec e-01,aquamist WI,gts injectors,high rate fuel pump,wideband O2
So how much did this turbo setup cost you? How much boost/hp are you running?
just good to know at this point I guess..
Well this was the only option 2years ago and i bought Monkey Wrench's turbo kit that they took off their shop car. I bought to start with -
PE turbo kit - ported
Emanage- Tuned (well it had some numbers put in s:roll: :roll: s:roll: )
Profec E-01
Sump with return pipe installed
Greddy BOV
That was around £2.7k with shipping
Then 190 injectors - used £100
Aquamist - £420
Fuel pump (turns out this isn't needed) - £70
So about £3.3k for the main set up, save £300 if you didn't want the profec, but i think it's worth the money.
It's never been dyno'd so HP is unknown, i run daily at 7psi, high boost on profec is 10psi and have been at 12psi but stock clutch can't handle it, and it's not liking 10psi now.
About £230 on a WB as no-one near could tune it, and it was cheaper than some places quoted to tune.
If your goal is no more than 250-280 flywheel BHP then it's an option i suppose.
Quote from: "Jap GT300"Did you use Escrow?
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you lot.
fooilishly not
Quote from: "markiii"Quote from: "Jap GT300"Did you use Escrow?
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you lot.
fooilishly not
Likewise, unfortunately. I did pay by CC though: Surely that covers me in some aspect? I'll have to look into it (just in case)...
Seriously, if this goes tits up, I'm on the first plane over there. Have you got your courier number yet Mark?
not yet
likewise CC I'm not sure if tehre is a time cut off after which you hae to report it though.
Hey ekona, save me a seat on that plane. Mark, you want to join us? s:) :) s:)
I'd just ring your CC company to check what the limits are, could come in handy if you do need to claim.
seeing as how I've just called and got voicemail Again! I think you may well be booking 3 seats.
If yo guys want the number and a cheap way to call it from teh UK let me know.
Somthing I just found from the Citizens Advice Bureau:
...you may be able to take proceedings against a credit company alone if the price of the goods was over £100...
It's not exactly clear, and it's more referring to suing someone in the UK, but it doesn't mention anything about a time limit, but at least it gives us an idea as to a possible option should things not work out.
When i had to claim for non delivery of goods I just rang them (Barclaycard) and they sorted it all out.
UPDATE,
I know have a tracking reference.
Apparently it's in London already :-) :-) :-)
Sweet! Enjoy it s:D :D s:D
blimey,
Just had DHL deliver it :-) :-) :-)
more updates when I have a chance to unpack and check it :-) :-) :-)
Now that's an update! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
s:( :( s:( I'm not unique anymore! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Slacey":( I'm not unique anymore! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Of course you're unique.... just like everyone else.
Quote from: "markiii"blimey,
Just had DHL deliver it :-) :-) :-)
more updates when I have a chance to unpack and check it :-) :-) :-)
Guess we will have to be doing our cat gutting by ourselves, since somebody might have more interesting things to tinker with (unless it can be installed in less than a month!!! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Well done Markiii. Here we go!
2 down 2 to go. Just got a positive ?!?! reply from Mark at Hass myself:
Hi Tom,
Your turbo kit has not left the US yet. We are finishing packing
your turbo kit and it will be on its way very shortly (beginning of next
week is realistic). As soon as it is picked up by the shipping courier I
will have a tracking number emailed to you.
Thank you Tom and I look forward to getting your turbo kit out to you as
soon as possible.
Holding my breath.....
Maybe they are just knuckling down and getting these overdue orders out and not answering the phone anymore.
Quote from: "roger"interesting things to tinker with (unless it can be installed in less than a month!!! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I bet he is tinkering with it as we type!!
nope just counting teh missing bits s:-( :-( s:-(
more details soon.
At least (most of) it's here, glad to hear you've got yours Mark.
I got another e-mail from Hass today... They still have no ship date for me, and wouldn't even answer my question as to what parts they're waiting for... s:? :? s:?
They have posted on SC to say they have no Emanages at the moment, so it may be that.
Quote from: "markiii"nope just counting the missing bits s:-( :-( s:-(
more details soon.
right it looks liek I'm missing;
Intercooler brackets
Air Filter
And they shipped teh wrong exhaust option, single rather than dual.
grrrrr s:-( :-( s:-(
Oh, nothing major then... s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
How the hell they managed to miss the brackets + air filter is already beyond me (they're not exactly small or optional parts!), but to send you the wrong exhaust as well... s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I presume a phone call is going to be in order soon...
OUCH - how can they not check to make sure everything is in the box? I mean they have a list. Sorry - I would hope that they would fed ex any missing parts ASAP. Your exhaust is another story - shipping that back and waiting again.....
My kit ships on Monday. I emailed Mark and asked, no begged, him to triple check it to make sure it's right. We'll see - keep us posted on what happens.
for the record the packing check list said they were there.
So work that out, same problem we had with Seans missing bits.
personally by the time I've pissed about sending teh exhaust back and Jay has deducted my costs from the bill it will probably be as much if not more than it is worth.
Personally I see no point, he may as well just right it off.
I had the same problem with "bits" missing from my order too. They also were on the check list, but didn't seem to be in the box. Injector clips and the eManage were the big things. The eManage they sent , but I had to buy the clips since Jay said he didn't have any.
markiii good luck with the kit, once you get all the bugs worked out you will love the performance of it. I go to the track today to see if I can break into the 12's.
Keith
Quote from: "markiii"by the time I've pissed about sending the exhaust back and Jay has deducted my costs from the bill it will probably be as much if not more than it is worth.
Personally I see no point, he may as well just right it off.
If he did, he would soon be sending everyone a 2nd pipe after they "got the wrong one" s:? :? s:?
fair comment
Personally, I'd wait until the correct exhaust arrived, and then send the wrong one back in whatever packaging the new one came in.
It's easy enough to prove you have the wrong one though, a quick digital pic of it next to the box they shipped the whole lot in would be proof enough IMO.
already done and emailed.
Probably seen it Mark, but Jay has posted ref. your missing bits on SC...
Why even bother sending a kit if they know there are missing parts?
If they don't know they are missing, what kind of system is that?
It seems obvious that they have more orders coming in than they can handle. Maybe they have to take people's orders to stay afloat? Just trying to guess why so many problems with missing parts and not communicating. When I offered to loan them my Power FC, Commander, and Datalogit so they could sort that out, I didn't even get a response for quite some time... and only after I said so on SC. (Gino ended up doing the same thing for them, but he loaned them his car.)
The only way I'd buy from them is if I could walk in the door, give them a check, take an accounting of the parts and walk away. It would be just as inconvenient for me as it would be for our friends on the other side of the pond, but I see no other alternative to their problems.
Quote from: "markiii"right it looks liek I'm missing;
Intercooler brackets
Air Filter
And they shipped the wrong exhaust option, single rather than dual.
grrrrr s:-( :-( s:-(
This just makes me mad. No seriously, this is crazy.
I'm so frustrated right now that I can't really say more than that.
For over 4000 US dollars, and for over 15 weeks of wait.... this is what you get.
I'm going to give it 12 more days, which is actually alot, 'till I demand my money back. This has gone on long enough, and I'm not prepared to recieve an in-complete turbo kit after all this wait.
I feel real sorry for you Mark.
Well I admit it would have been nice to have a complete kit, and the delay doesn't do a lot for my timetable.
but hey, nothing you buy anymore seems to come complete, be it mas market products or whatever.
For a speciality product it's not so surprising. You woudl anticipate that whoever does the packing would be rather more thorough but from reading SC it seems that Jay is taking action with regard to this and Mark is moving on.
I'm really not that worried at present, the prrof is in how quickly Jay resolves it, as I'm sure he will.
Quote from: "markiii"it seems that Jay is taking action with regard to this and Mark is moving on.
Bah, the only person who answers my e-mails quickly is leaving! s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Well,
My Stage II kit has just arrived now. I'm in bruxelles right now though and won't be home until friday (why do I all of a sudden have this urge to take the next plane home s:) :) s:) ?), so I haven't been able to check it out yet.
Just thought I'd update this thread with some good news for a change s:) :) s:) ,
Nice one! Hopefully Tom's kit should be here this week too. It seems Hass are starting to catch up!
News Update
Good news. Kit arrived today......big crate! B***dy heavy s:D :D s:D
Started to go through parts (takes ages to pair up the list). Seem to be one or two bits missing s:? :? s:?
Will give an update once I've checked again.
Main concern is the finish of my Turbo manifold (certainly doesn't look nice and shiny like Sean's s:( :( s:(
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Quote from: "TommyD"News Update
Good news. Kit arrived today......big crate! B***dy heavy s:D :D s:D
Started to go through parts (takes ages to pair up the list). Seem to be one or two bits missing s:? :? s:?
Will give an update once I've checked again.
Main concern is the finish of my Turbo manifold (certainly doesn't look nice and shiny like Sean's s:( :( s:(
(http://www.cubefish.com/images/man1.gif)(http://www.cubefish.com/images/man2.gif)
Doesn't look the same quality does it? s:( :( s:(
So what are the bits that are missing?
The manifold that Tom has recieved hasn't been thermal coated - check as to whether you specified that option or not. See your PM for more info.
Quote from: "TommyD"Main concern is the finish of my Turbo manifold (certainly doesn't look nice and shiny like Sean's s:( :( s:(
Cause for complaint...or has Shaun paid extra for the de-luxe version s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
(http://www.cubefish.com/images/man1.gif)(http://www.cubefish.com/images/man2.gif)
Who cares about the finish s;) ;) s;)
But doesn't that look a bit unefficient? s:? :? s:?
Mmmm. Wish I'd know that before I waited 7 months s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I was just about to say that. Ceramic thermal coating was optional. It was a good thing Mark suggested this option to me as I otherwise wouldn't had thought about it.. which would really have annoyed me afterwards
It wasn't even mentioned to me. Unless I wanted the pipes a different colour to the grey. The IC pipes are all coated by the way.
That looks nasty, brutish, and short. At least it's brutish.
Quote from: "TommyD"Mmmm. Wish I'd know that before I waited 7 months s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Have it coated then - it's not a big deal to get it done. I asked a ton a questions and did a lot of research before I ordered. Not to be pissy, but you can't blame Hass for something you didn't order.
Please don't flame this. I wasn't blaming Hass. I just didn't know there was a option on this. I just wish it had been made clear to me, as had the rest of the coating options when I ordered. Maybe I didn't ask all the questions I could have but you must remember when I ordered this over 7 month ago, I must have been one of the first few orders. More options have become available since then. I hold my hands up and blame myself for not thinking of it, and as you say it is a job I can get done. So no worries.
What is more annoying are all the missing bolts, nuts, serrated washers, hose clamps etc.
Final list of missing items, all of which were ticked as being complete in the kit. s:? :? s:?
Missing:
4 manifold studs and nuts
M8x16 bolts for oil drain flange
2 bolts, 2 nuts, 4 washers, M6x25 (for intercooler pipes)
2 x Mass Airflow screws
1x 25/32 worm hose clamp
2x 2.25" T-Bolt Clamps
2x 3" T-Bolt Clamps
1x 2" T-Bolt Clamp
As I said nothing major, just annoying.
If that's all your missing then that's great. Easily sorted at your local hardware store. I know you'll be eager to get it all installed but find somewhere near you that can coat it to a finish you want, not only will it look good but it will help with the heat.
Good luck.
Quote from: "TommyD"Please don't flame this. I wasn't blaming Hass. I just didn't know there was a option on this. I just wish it had been made clear to me, as had the rest of the coating options when I ordered. Maybe I didn't ask all the questions I could have but you must remember when I ordered this over 7 month ago, I must have been one of the first few orders. More options have become available since then. I hold my hands up and blame myself for not thinking of it, and as you say it is a job I can get done. So no worries.
I agree you should have been talked through the options when spending this much dosh on your loved one, but its done. You are clearly not happy with the finish so get it coated over hear so you are 100% pleased with the finished project s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "TommyD"What is more annoying are all the missing bolts, nuts, serrated washers, hose clamps etc.
For the cost of sending it would be better to buy these over hear and invoice Hass for the cost s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Tom,
Jay and co. will get the missing parts to you within a week if you give them a complete list. They did say this shouldn't be happening anymore, but hey, I guess they are s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
As for the thermal coating, as mentioned above you can get it done over here, but I'm not sure of ther cost. Just for reference the IC pipes are painted, not thermal coated - they are all like that, not just yours s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "TommyD"I wasn't blaming Hass. I just didn't know there was a option on this.
When did you order it? Just wondering, since the coating option on the manifold was listed on their website at least as far back as September last year.. (I didn't check any further back than that)
I ordered in September 04. Yes, you are right it does say in the small copy about the thermal coatings. Don't make me feel any worse..... s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
(though I probably read the high temp silver painted and thought that would look good too)
I've had a quick Google and come up with a couple of places that do thermal coating - not sure if they are any good to you?
m http://www.plasmacoat.co.uk/index.htm (http://www.plasmacoat.co.uk/index.htm) m
m http://www.zircotec.com/ (http://www.zircotec.com/) m
At worst you can always get some VHT paint to tidy the looks up a bit.
I had just phoned Zircotec and left a message. Hope to get a quote. Might get the lot done if it's reasonable.
The thermal coating option from Hass included the manifold and the turbine section of the turbo itself. If you want to coat the IC pipes you will have to have them stripped first back to bare metal - Mark toyed with the idea of coating the exhaust (at least the downpipe) but I'm not sure if he's going ahead with that TBH.
Well just spoke to a nice chap at Zircotec and they basically charge by the length. Approx £35 a foot. So that exhaust may be an option too s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "TommyD"I ordered in September 04. Yes, you are right it does say in the small copy about the thermal coatings. Don't make me feel any worse..... s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
s;) ;) s;) s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Quote(though I probably read the high temp silver painted and thought that would look good too)
Must admit, it doesn't look painted to me - just looks like plain steel.. Hard to tell from a picture though, I suppose.
just to update, stil waiting on my air filter and intercooler brackest. I'm going to use the single exhaust for teh moment and Hass will send me a dual when fabricated.
Quote from: "markiii"I'm going to use the single exhaust for the moment and Hass will send me a dual when fabricated.
They're actually going to make a new one for you, rather than just take one from an existing kit ready to go out? I must admit, the thought had crossed my mind that mine might be delayed again because of 'back ordered parts' (read as 'we gave your dual exhaust to someone else 'cos we messed up!').
Any idea as to how long you'll have to wait?
no update on Mark as to how long,
however as I owe them for shipping costs which weren't cheap and they aren't getting another penny until I have teh full kit, I'm not too worried.
The thought did occur to me ref taking an exhaust from another kit, but if it means less issues for other people who's kits are already assembled I don't mind waiting.
Quote from: "RedRaceR"Just thought I'd update this thread with some good news for a change s:) :) s:) ,
I spoke too soon.
Right, I don't know if everybody on here reads on spyderchat so let me summaries it here:
-No dual exhaust, recieved single instead
-No thermal coating
-No Greddy Profec e-01 Boost controller
and ofcourse.. yes you guessed it... there are bits and pieces missing aswell.
I'll say it again.. Should've gone PE. This has been a nightmare.
Ekona,
If they haven't shipped your kit yet, I strongly advise you to insist they go through your box and make sure everythings in there.
That's me, Mark and Tommy now..
and Seans was wrong as well.
really their packing quality control is a joke.
have you had the "customs must have removed it" comment yet :-) :-) :-)
Sorry to hear yet another problem.
Quote from: "markiii"have you had the "customs must have removed it" comment yet :-) :-) :-)
No, though I have just recieved the "you didn't order these parts" comment.
Incredible.
I'm e-mailing every day now, just to get an update.
So far: Three days, 5 e-mails, no reply.
I swear to God if my kit comes with a single exhaust, or with no coating, I'm on the first plane over there. Missing bits I can handle with rage in my own garage, but wrong parts? Nah.
It's pretty piss poor that a company that wants to generate interest in their product could send out incorrect contents in the individually ordered kit. It's not hard to complete a pre send check against the list s:? :? s:? Its a sure fast way to upset their most important aspect, the customers, gain bad publicity and eventually go under s:? :? s:?
Well, I know they can send the right stuff out - Mine arrived 100% with not a single screw missing. I guess I am one of the lucky ones. The bottom line is there is no quality control happening to the kits before they ship. I don't know who is packing and checking the inventories but they simply are not doing their job. As for wrong parts, I received an invoice via email from Mark with exactly what I ordered on it many months ago (right after ordering the kit). It had my thermal coating, dual exhaust and boost controller on it. If you didn't get an itemized list of what you bought before it shipped, it's as much your fault as it is Hass'. You wouldn't order a brand new car with special options and not get an invoice or receipt with exactly what you paid for on it. They do have a problem that seems pretty easy to fix - that's what blows my mind. It's not rocket science to check the contents of the box and make sure it's all there and that you get what you paid for.
I know they will make it right - it's happened many times (unfortunately) and the missing pieces are always sent immediately if he has them.
James
hi im new to the club, she couldnt have been the first international customer to buy a turbo as i brought a hass autoworks stage 1 turbo about 12 months ago, i spoke to jay myself on a few occasions, the kit set me back 3500 us dollars about £2000 ive now upgaded to stage 2 with bigger intercooler 360 degree ceramic turbo supra injectors a fifth one drilled staigt into the throttle body on a pressure switch, but anyway you pay extra 10% tax on whatever you import, unless you know a way round it, which i do....
Why would you have fitted an extra (fifth) injector? Hass have offered larger injectors from the word go, and providing a piggyback is used they can offer far more gas than the stock pump can handle.
Do you have any pics of your setup you could post here please?
Quote from: "johnboy"but anyway you pay extra 10% tax on whatever you import, unless you know a way round it, which i do....
Which is s:?: :?: s:?: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Slacey"they can offer far more gas than the stock pump can handle
How much the stock pump can handle anyway?
And why oh why does everyone keep moaning about hass, the companys american, ITS IN AMERICA, that should say it all!
if you shop around more you'll get a better deal,Ever heard of Trust, Its a TOP japanese tuning company, Trust, do a turbo kit running the same psi, for the same price, with loads of bolt on extras plus all parts which can be chromed or heat treated, they are, it comes as standard, japan make much better quality stuff, its a fact. the MR2 Roadster isn't american its japanese,whats a yank doing with a MR2, go get a mustang, i wouldn't buy from hass again, its too much messing and waiting about,
Quote from: "johnboy"And why oh why does everyone keep moaning about hass, the companys american, ITS IN AMERICA, that should say it all!
What's that got to do with it? s:? :? s:?
You got a link to this Trust kit?
Quote from: "johnboy"Ever heard of Trust
AFAIK, Trust doesn't have a turbokit for MR-S. Maybe you mean Top Secret, whose kit is made from Trust/GReddy parts? I have that myself s;) ;) s;)
Quotejapan make much better quality stuff, its a fact
I wouldn't know about that. Everyone I know with the kit has issues with the manifold. It cracks and it cracks easily. When you get it fixed, it cracks somewhere else.
for slacey, if you import anything you gotta pay tax on it, unless its a gift, so wherever your buying from tell them to label it in large letters as GIFT this cuts out the tax, i dont know about in america tho, the japanese have no problem with this, my last pacage was 1 cubic metre crate weighing 210kg labeled as a gift, pay £0 tax, and no i do not have stock pump i have aluminium racing feul cell presurised, with huge bosch fuel pump, fifth injector is on a pressure switch it only comes in at about 6ooo rpm i had for when i get my nos, more fuel, more cool no pics sorry, top secret til its magazine debut
Quote from: "johnboy"for slacey, if you import anything you gotta pay tax on it, unless its a gift, so wherever your buying from tell them to label it in large letters as GIFT this cuts out the tax, i dont know about in america tho, the japanese have no problem with this, my last pacage was 1 cubic metre crate weighing 210kg labeled as a gift, pay £0 tax, and no i do not have stock pump i have aluminium racing feul cell presurised, with huge bosch fuel pump, fifth injector is on a pressure switch it only comes in at about 6ooo rpm i had for when i get my nos, more fuel, more cool no pics sorry, top secret til its magazine debut
If you label a package as a gift (or declare a lower value), then you might not be insured if it gets damaged. Worth the risk? You decide.
PMSL@'top secret til its magazine debut' s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
If you label a package as a gift then you will be insured, however it only provides tax exempt status for the first £30 or so.
Quote from: "johnboy"..... this cuts out the tax, i dont know about in america tho
So you paid tax and VAT on your Hass goods then?
Quote from: "johnboy"And why oh why does everyone keep moaning about hass, the companys american, ITS IN AMERICA, that should say it all!
the argument regarding the quality of US vs Japanese product is pointless, some things will be better than others, others won't - that's the way it goes.
Quote from: "johnboy"the MR2 Roadster isn't american its japanese,whats a yank doing with a MR2, go get a mustang,
Yes the MR2 is Japanese. Hey, we live in the UK, go buy a Rover! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "johnboy"i wouldn't buy from hass again, its too much messing and waiting about,
So what
exactly did you buy from Hass? You mention having it 12 months ago, yet the original US prototype was only concieved around 10 months ago s:? :? s:?
Also, It would seem from your tone that you don't rate the Hass product (if you do indeed have it), have you moved over to this Trust kit?
I really would be interested to see pics, PM them if you don't want them out on the forum. I'd like to compare my setup with yours.
Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "Slacey"they can offer far more gas than the stock pump can handle
How much the stock pump can handle anyway?
I'm not sure Tem, it was mentioned to me that the stock pump would be out of puff by the time the 420cc injectors had reached their maximum duty. It could be wrong though - anyone know for sure?
Quote from: "johnboy"for slacey, if you import anything you gotta pay tax on it, unless its a gift, so wherever your buying from tell them to label it in large letters as GIFT this cuts out the tax, i dont know about in america tho, the japanese have no problem with this, my last pacage was 1 cubic metre crate weighing 210kg labeled as a gift, pay £0 tax
Sorry, but thats utter balls... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Tax isn't set by the americans or the japanese, its set in the UK by HMC&E. There is tax relief on gifts, but only for items of low cost, something around the £40 mark or below. Anything of greater value is taxed at the prevailing rates.
Quote from: "johnboy"And why oh why does everyone keep moaning about hass, the companys american, ITS IN AMERICA, that should say it all!
if you shop around more you'll get a better deal,Ever heard of Trust, Its a TOP japanese tuning company, Trust, do a turbo kit running the same psi, for the same price, with loads of bolt on extras plus all parts which can be chromed or heat treated, they are, it comes as standard, japan make much better quality stuff, its a fact. the MR2 Roadster isn't american its japanese,whats a yank doing with a MR2, go get a mustang, i wouldn't buy from hass again, its too much messing and waiting about,
You have come on strong here with some bold and IMO inaccurate statements. Please lets see some proof of what you've got, everyone has access to a digi camera or even most mobiles have them now, so put up or please shut up.
For the record Trust DO NOT make a turbo kit for the mr-s, they may make parts that supply a kit as Tem said the Top Secret, but not a complete Trust branded kit.
As far as a fith injector goes, the right size injectors will handle anything, even if it is NOS coming in at 6000rpm s:roll: :roll: s:roll: there is no need for a extra injector unless the new ECU can't handle it.
Soooooo we can take it that you have forged internals in your car, who built and prep it? Would be good info for others thinking of the same route.
I like the way that his car is soooooooo powerful (Hass SII and NOS), but it's so secret we can't even see it!
...Whereas Matt@MWR has a car that quite happily p*sses over every other MR2 out there, but he shows it off with the pride it deserves.
Benefit of the doubt time: What magazine is it going to feature in then? And when is it coming out?
So what's the news on your kit Ekona?
I just found the e-mails which show that I wasn't talking bullsh*t. Read the latest news on my never ending adventure with Hass:
m http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtop ... &start=240 (http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=22035&start=240) m
4 months ago I thought I ordered a turbokit, seems I ordered a handful of problems aswell.
******'** **** **
can anyone guess what it says there? been mentioned by me already a couple of times in this thread s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "RedRaceR"So what's the news on your kit Ekona?
News? What news? s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
I've still haven't heard anything from them since I sent those 5 e-mails, but I think there's a public holiday in the US today too, so I certainly expect to hear something tomorrow. If not, more e-mails... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Nice work on posting those e-mails up on SC, btw. Me likes. s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "RedRaceR"So what's the news on your kit Ekona?
I just found the e-mails which show that I wasn't talking bullsh*t. Read the latest news on my never ending adventure with Hass:
m http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtop ... &start=240 (http://www.spyderchat.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=22035&start=240) m
4 months ago I thought I ordered a turbokit, seems I ordered a handful of problems aswell.
******'** **** **
can anyone guess what it says there? been mentioned by me already a couple of times in this thread s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
That's just incredible s:? :? s:? Hope you get it figured out...
"idiot who said he'd have swedens only turbo'ed spyder ready for this show but doesn't"
I'm not sure if that's true though. I bought my turbokit used from a guy in Sweden, who already had it over a year ago. Picked it up from Stockholm myself s8) 8) s8) Surely he doesn't have it anymore, so you might be Sweden's only turboed Spyder for now...
Quote from: "Tem""idiot who said he'd have swedens only turbo'ed spyder ready for this show but doesn't"
I'm not sure if that's true though. I bought my turbokit used from a guy in Sweden, who already had it over a year ago. Picked it up from Stockholm myself s8) 8) s8) Surely he doesn't have it anymore, so you might be Sweden's only turboed Spyder for now...
But that's exactly what I said Tem??! s:) :) s:)
I would be swedens only turboed spyder, seeing as you bought that guys turbo last year! I knew Peter, and he was the first and only one with a turbo in Sweden a while back.
Thanks though, I sure hope it get's solved somehow aswell. It'll be interesting to see if he replies in defensive mode again.
Ah, I wasn't sure if you knew him s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "RedRaceR"Thanks though, I sure hope it get's solved somehow aswell. It'll be interesting to see if he replies in defensive mode again.
I've been reading that thread myself. It's funny how they always seem to blame the customer first s:? :? s:?
*UPDATE*
Jay just e-mailed me saying that my kit is about 1.5 weeks away from shipping, and he hopes to get everything wrapped up by the weeks end.
/me crosses fingers
Quote from: "ekona"hopes to get everything wrapped up
Lets pray that statement is literal too - I don't believe there has been a kit shipped with everything in there that should be!
Sean and Mark,
how much did you guys pay for shipping?
Quote from: "Slacey"Quote from: "ekona"hopes to get everything wrapped up
Lets pray that statement is literal too - I don't believe there has been a kit shipped with everything in there that should be!
That's exactly what I'm hoping. Anyone want to place bets?
Thought not. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
They have this new guy Carl now who has replaced Mark. Perhaps he knows how to pack a box?
Wow - what a great thread - just read this from start to finish. I have to say this Hass lot sound a bit too Jim Henson for my liking s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Anyway, I hope you all get your bits sorted soon. (I also hope you get your Hass kits sonn as well, boom boom) s:D :D s:D
Ash s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "ekona"*UPDATE*
Jay just e-mailed me saying that my kit is about 1.5 weeks away from shipping, and he hopes to get everything wrapped up by the weeks end.
/me crosses fingers
I spoke too soon... My kit's going to be delayed until next week. s:( :( s:(
Spoke to the new guy Carl though... Damn, he's good! Within 30mins of sending him an e-mail I'd recieved a reply along with a document I'd requested. s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Maybe I'll get a complete kit after all...! s:D :D s:D
Yes, Carl is far more efficient and bullsh*t free than Mark, who in all honesty just used to frustrate the hell out of me with his constant 'tell you what you want to hear' crap.
Quote from: "ekona"I spoke too soon... My kit's going to be delayed until next week. s:( :( s:(
Let's hope you didn't speek too soon again. Let's hope that date is actually real.
I'm still trying to solve my problems with Jay. But he is still taking forever to get a reply from. I know Carl is fast, but I just refuse to solve/discuss this with anyone but Jay. That's what put me in this situation in the first place, throwing me over to Mark..
Quote from: "ekona"Maybe I'll get a complete kit after all...! s:D :D s:D
After reading over at spyderchat, it seems people are still recieving in-complete kits even after the departure of Mark and this last one was far from complete.
If your kit hasn't been shipped out this week, meaning that it's being delayed again, get Carl or Jay to double check and
garantee you that every single bit of the kit is in that box.
Well my left exhaust leg and profec were sent out a couple of days ago and should arrive any day now. After alot of forth and back I finally got them to understand Mark's huge messup.
What is so complicated ? is every kit extremely different ?
Phil
Quote from: "RedRaceR"Well my left exhaust leg and profec were sent out a couple of days ago and should arrive any day now.
When/if you get those, do you have all that you ordered?
Quote from: "philster_d"What is so complicated ? is every kit extremely different ?
Phil
There are two types of kit both with several options, however it seems to be general stuff that is being "stolen by the couriers" s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "RedRaceR"Well my left exhaust leg and profec were sent out a couple of days ago and should arrive any day now.
When/if you get those, do you have all that you ordered?
Yeah, then it's all here and ready to install.
I may need some help from you guys when I come to order then.
Philster.
Quote from: "philster_d"I may need some help from you guys when I come to order then.
Philster.
Give me a shout if you do then, I am without doubt the UK Hass guru s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Sundance"Wow - what a great thread - just read this from start to finish. I have to say this Hass lot sound a bit too Jim Henson for my liking s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Anyway, I hope you all get your bits sorted soon. (I also hope you get your Hass kits sonn as well, boom boom) s:D :D s:D
Ash s8) 8) s8)
Ash, you know you want to buy a Roadster and Turbo it ... go on ... s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
so I have now recieved the last parts and I now have a complete Hass Stage II turbokit. It'll be in and running soon as possible.
I'm almost affraid to ask, but what's the news on your kit Ekona?
Glad to hear it is all sorted at last s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
yeah, this new guy Carl is the best thing that has happened Hass Autoworks let me tell ya .. atleast for the customers!
Quote from: "RedRaceR"I'm almost affraid to ask, but what's the news on your kit Ekona?
I'll give you one guess...
It starts with 'I' and ends with 't may be ready to go out this week'.
I wonder why I even bother asking for updates now, I just get the same reply. I desperately wanted the kit installed in time for JAE, but that's not going to happen now. Maybe for JAE '06 (if I'm lucky!)...
Quote from: "ekona"I wonder why I even bother asking for updates now, I just get the same reply. I desperately wanted the kit installed in time for JAE, but that's not going to happen now. Maybe for JAE '06 (if I'm lucky!)...
FS.. I think you could whittle yourself a whole turbo out of a single billet of aluminium with just a pen knife in the time it takes them to put together a kit.. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
For those who have completed their Hass installs can you tell me what it sounds like compared to a H&S twin and modified intake s:?: :?: s:?: Suppose realistically its only Mark that can directly compare
I would say a little louder but not much.
a little bassier though for sure.
Quote from: "markiii"I would say a little louder but not much.
a little bassier though for sure.
So still impressive then and an excuse to drop gear in any tunnel s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
has anyone actually measured the noise level of the kit?
Quote from: "dreambackup"has anyone actually measured the noise level of the kit?
Yes, between 97~99db depending on conditions. I got 97 point something at a recen trackday (open space, mild breeze) and 99 in a more enclosed area with no wind.
Quote from: "heathstimpson"Quote from: "markiii"I would say a little louder but not much.
a little bassier though for sure.
So still impressive then and an excuse to drop gear in any tunnel s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
just ask Stu, he was behind me when I dropped a gear in the tunnell yersterday :-) :-) :-)
And mine was the H&S s:D :D s:D
Compare away.
I can start, marks has a nice burble.
Following him yesterday up a dual carriage way, I got flashbacks from 'Nam when the artillery starts firing. s:lol: :lol: s:lol: Boom! "Take cover!"
Mine is more discrete (rubbish) at low revs. lol
I think the H&S is a little edgier though, a bit sharper, more race car when it gets going.
Quote from: "markiii"just ask Stu, he was behind me when I dropped a gear in the tunnell yersterday :-) :-) :-)
pops, farts, bangs i want one!
Hmmm, where to post with a 'I've got one too!' post... Ah, this place is as good as any! s:D :D s:D
I now have the UK's first post face-lift Hass MR2 Roadster! And my God, was it worth the wait (ask Mark how big the smile on my face was after we got the problems fixed and I took it out for the first time)!
The mechanical install went OK (couple of problems regarding to the design of the kit and the crap couplers Jay sent s:evil: :evil: s:evil: ) and was all done Saturday, which left Sunday to do the injectors, spark plugs and plugging the e-Manage in (we'd already pre-wired it to the extension loom). Got it all running, and then...
Big problem. The car threw a CEL telling us we had a misfire on cylinder 4! After some checking which involved swapping mine and Mark's wiring loom and e-Manages around, we came to the conclusion that the wiring loom was wrong (despite the fact we'd checked and double-checked it). Turns out that as we'd used bullet connectors instead of soldering, there was too much resistance on the loom so the stock ECU was throwing a hissy when idling. BIG thanks to Grant for the emergency help at 8pm tonight!
All was well and good, so I left home. Got as far as Stansted and I heard a rattling in the engine bay, so I pulled over to investigate, expecting to find one of the exhaust hangers had come off. I'm damn glad I did stop, as it turned out that the air filter had popped right off and was sitting on the driveshaft! s:shock: :shock: s:shock: 20 mins later and I was off again, although I had to limp home in 4th gear at 50mph, as it seems to be the gear mechanism is fouling the filter and pushing it off in 1st and 3rd. Bloody crap stupid design by Mr Hass, if you ask me. Again. s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I'm far too tired to write any more tonight, but huge thanks to Mark for all the help (despite me leaving some crucial bits at home! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: ) and Chris for her wonderful hospitality. And thanks to Grant, Lee and Stu as well. You're all owed a drive!
well I'm still not sure what finally cured teh cel as after resoldering all teh joints at 9pm tonight it still played up until we disconnected teh battery for 10 mins.
I just pray it stays off now we finally got rid of it.
still it drives nicely now, just teh Profec and and a few minior tweeks and it's done.
I'll dig you out the links tommorow for teh cables required,
the air filter pipe is a PITA, shame it's not an exact length though I reckon you just need to play with for a bit to et it right.
was it the filter itself that parted company? the pipe? or teh coupler connecting onto the intake bell.
my bets on teh latter.
Quote from: "heathstimpson"For those who have completed their Hass installs can you tell me what it sounds like compared to a H&S twin and modified intake s:?: :?: s:?: Suppose realistically its only Mark that can directly compare
just to add. not usually one to be following hass Turbo in a normal car, while tailing Dan on our maiden voyage today I can testify that if you drop it ina tunnell, the turbo sounds like a jet fighter, muchc ooler than teh noise from inside teh cockpit :-) :-) :-)
It was both filter and pipe together that dropped off, leaving the coupler itself on the inlet bell. So yeah, you kinda win the bet. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I'm glad to see you boys got it sorted in the end - I did return home to find your message Mark (I have told you not to use that old number anymore s:wink: :wink: s:wink: ) but figured that at gone 10pm there probably wasn't much point calling back!
I'll be interested to see how you get on with the filter assembly Dan - I have the pipes being sent as we speak to convert to the new setup.
Quote from: "Ekona"Big problem. The car threw a CEL telling us we had a misfire on cylinder 4! After some checking which involved swapping mine and Mark's wiring loom and e-Manages around, we came to the conclusion that the wiring loom was wrong (despite the fact we'd checked and double-checked it). Turns out that as we'd used bullet connectors instead of soldering, there was too much resistance on the loom so the stock ECU was throwing a hissy when idling. BIG thanks to Grant for the emergency help at 8pm tonight!
I'm surprised that you were getting a resistance issue with bullet connectors as these are usually pretty good s:? :? s:?
Quote from: "heathstimpson"I'm surprised that you were getting a resistance issue with bullet connectors as these are usually pretty good s:? :? s:?
Yes that does seem strange. From Mark's comments it looks as though the ECU got knotted until a reset. Fingers-crossed its sorted.
Just wanted to post up a big congrats to Dan and his pit crew(:wink:) for getting the job done. Followers of the thread know how long you've waited for this. Well done, matey!
Ste
I have one huge apology to make: I totally forgot to thank Sean for telling me exactly what gap the plugs needed to be set to! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: So, thanks Sean! s:D :D s:D
Can't drive it today unfortunately, as it's been raining as as I've got the drip tray removed, a few spots of rain have hit the air filter and I don't want to risk starting it until I'm 100% sure it's dry. The tray is now back on though, so I guess I can wait until tomorrow. s:( :( s:(
Thanks for the thanks Ste, I still can't quite believe I'm actually done (barring a few niggles)! s:D :D s:D
Told you it was a bad resitance in the loom! s:P :P s:P (well a damn good guess anyway)
Not a problem though, glad to help. I'll take you up on the drive anyway! Enjoy your new toy matey. s:D :D s:D
Quote from: "Ekona"I have one huge apology to make: I totally forgot to thank Sean for telling me exactly what gap the plugs needed to be set to! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: So, thanks Sean! s:D :D s:D
Just out of idle curiosity ( s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:wink: :wink: s:wink: ) what gap are you guys running? I've gone with NGK BKR6E - apparently they're gapped at 0.8 (or is it 0.9) as opposed to the stock plugs at 1.1
same plugs, but Sean reckoned 0.35
I can't remember what we set mine too.
Quote from: "markiii"same plugs, but Sean reckoned 0.35
I can't remember what we set mine too.
Should that be 35 thousandths of an inch then (=0.9mm) ?
glad you asked that Spit, got mine to do tomorrow and i was left wondering myself on that one
You want to leave the drip tray off to help with air flow. Water on the filter won't do any harm, heck, i've got water being sprayed into my engine for cooling.
I doubt it would be a resistance problem, when i set mine, before i soldered the connections i just twisted the wires together started the car and it ran, then soldered a permanent connection. Must of been just 1of those things you'll never find out what caused it. s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Glad it's up and running, congrats.
Quote from: "Ekona"I have one huge apology to make: I totally forgot to thank Sean for telling me exactly what gap the plugs needed to be set to! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: So, thanks Sean! s:D :D s:D
Can't drive it today unfortunately, as it's been raining as as I've got the drip tray removed, a few spots of rain have hit the air filter and I don't want to risk starting it until I'm 100% sure it's dry. The tray is now back on though, so I guess I can wait until tomorrow. s:( :( s:(
No worries mate s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
As for water on the filter, it shoul be fine as Ian pointed out (unless it's saturated) - now you know what that shield you picked up for me from Demon is for s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "spit"Quote from: "markiii"same plugs, but Sean reckoned 0.35
I can't remember what we set mine too.
Should that be 35 thousandths of an inch then (=0.9mm) ?
Yes - that's what mine are set to, and what I set Mark's to as well. Bear in mind though that this is for turbo'd engines, stock requires a larger gap as per the handbook.
Quote from: "Slacey"Quote from: "spit"Quote from: "markiii"same plugs, but Sean reckoned 0.35
I can't remember what we set mine too.
Should that be 35 thousandths of an inch then (=0.9mm) ?
Yes - that's what mine are set to, and what I set Mark's to as well. Bear in mind though that this is for turbo'd engines, stock requires a larger gap as per the handbook.
I have a feeling that BenF is running 0.8mm with his PE kit btw, as per the Mk2 Turbo. I could be wrong, but I think that's right.
Still, at moderate boost levels that 0.1mm probably makes no difference at all.
Quote from: "Slacey"As for water on the filter, it shoul be fine as Ian pointed out (unless it's saturated) - now you know what that shield you picked up for me from Demon is for s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
See, if you'd told me that at the time I'd have got meself one! s:wink: :wink: s:wink: Got one on order now though, so should be here by the end of the week. The tray stays until then, just in case.
I've just had her out for the first time since Sunday, and I'm seriously impressed now. While I was a little disappointed after the first drive (not as much pull as I had expected, due to me having no idea what boost level I'm running and the stupidly heavy wheels), the extra power is really noticable now. I still don't think it's much above 180bhp though, but that can soon be changed. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Got a slight oil leak on the return from the turbo, but it's so tiny I can live with it for now. Just another job to sort out, along with a custom piece of pipe to replace the one Jay supplies for use between the air filter and intake on the turbo. All it needs is to be slightly longer and with a bit more of a kick to take it away from the shifter mechanism, there's loads of room to play with there anyway.
Quote from: "heathstimpson"I'm surprised that you were getting a resistance issue with bullet connectors as these are usually pretty good s:? :? s:?
Not in my book they're not. Temperature fluctuations, humidity, mechanical stress, vibration... all can dramatically reduce the integrity of a crimped connection very quickly. A car, where the above factors vary wildly, is just about the worst environment they can be used.
Personaly, I detest them. In the last couple of years I'd day I can lay the blame of about 25 middle of the night call outs and half a dozen full blown emergency shut downs of an entire power station fairly and squarley on the door step of crimped connectors.
As for the code needing the battery disconnecting. Many codes will reset the next time you start the car, as long as whatever fault caused it has been repaired. But, quite a large number of codes wont extinguish the CEL until you have completed a set number of trouble free journeys, or reset the ECU entirely. Its dependany upon just how serious the ECU considers the fault to be.
Good to hear you got it sorted in the end Dan, naturally I'll take you up on that drive offer sometime soon, although perhaps I'll wait until you've passed "boredom stage 1" and have upped the boost to maintain the interest! s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
i'll second what Grant says, bullet splices are just about as c**p as you can get and are the bain of a lot of problems, do it properly, i know that enviromentaly sealed butt splices are really hard to come by, especially for the tools required to install them but at least try to get some proper splices
So is this a harness Jay has made up or does it come with the E-manage?
The wiring loom came from Autosport in the US. Not sure if they're still doing them, last time I heard anything the guy was having difficulty sourcing the parts needed...
Jay got away lightly that time then.
Anyway when are you coming over to give me my 3rd hass demo? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Distractons are welcome, I've been looking at the C2 website so often now I can resight half the website back! I can only take so much college homework! s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Quote from: "Ekona"Quote from: "Slacey"As for water on the filter, it shoul be fine as Ian pointed out (unless it's saturated) - now you know what that shield you picked up for me from Demon is for s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
See, if you'd told me that at the time I'd have got meself one! s:wink: :wink: s:wink: Got one on order now though, so should be here by the end of the week. The tray stays until then, just in case.
I've just had her out for the first time since Sunday, and I'm seriously impressed now. While I was a little disappointed after the first drive (not as much pull as I had expected, due to me having no idea what boost level I'm running and the stupidly heavy wheels), the extra power is really noticable now. I still don't think it's much above 180bhp though, but that can soon be changed. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Got a slight oil leak on the return from the turbo, but it's so tiny I can live with it for now. Just another job to sort out, along with a custom piece of pipe to replace the one Jay supplies for use between the air filter and intake on the turbo. All it needs is to be slightly longer and with a bit more of a kick to take it away from the shifter mechanism, there's loads of room to play with there anyway.
when you get your custome pipe get one for me as well please.
Don't worry mate, I was gonna get a couple spare. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Sean and Tom, you guys want one too?
That would be fab. Congrats on the install. Just catching up with all the news tonight.
Yes please Dan, my pipes like yours are on their way over so that would be handy!
Could someone please post a picture of the pipe when you get it? I'm fighting the same issue.
Quote from: "Ekona"Quote from: "Slacey"As for water on the filter, it shoul be fine as Ian pointed out (unless it's saturated) - now you know what that shield you picked up for me from Demon is for s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
See, if you'd told me that at the time I'd have got meself one! s:wink: :wink: s:wink: Got one on order now though, so should be here by the end of the week. The tray stays until then, just in case.
Shield? What shield? Would I be interested in one of these?
Quote from: "spit"Shield? What shield? Would I be interested in one of these?
It's just a universal filter shield, but should do the job - see HERE (http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?cls=ROAD&pcode=GREHS-01)
Quote from: "Slacey"Quote from: "spit"Shield? What shield? Would I be interested in one of these?
It's just a universal filter shield, but should do the job - see HERE (http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/products/ProductDetail.asp?cls=ROAD&pcode=GREHS-01)
Ahhhhhh! I thought it was a cunning alternative to the drip tray s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Dunno if I'll need that - or even have room for it - with the Apexi tucked between the O/S bumper and arch liner....
Right, just been out for a blast around the Essex countryside (but no speeding Officer s:wink: :wink: s:wink: ), and have noticed something...
When in 2nd or 3rd, and at WOT from 2000rpm, the car seems to bog down for a second or two before accelerating forwards: The best way I can describe it is it's as if I took my foot off the pedal for a split second before re-planting it. The car seems to lose forward momentum for a second, and then carry on as normal. Anyone else found this, ot have any ideas as to what could be causing it? I've got no CEL and all connections seem to be nice and tight, so I'm a bit at a loss to explain it... s:? :? s:?
Oh, and I must remember not to drive the car on Sundays anymore, as I think I gave two elderly ladies heart attacks when the exhaust decided to bang very loudly as I was passing them while they were out for a nice quiet walk! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
is there a problem in the map?? incorrect figures at that point??
There shouldn't be as I'm using Sean's maps he got from Thor. At least, I think I am: without the Profec, there's no real way of knowing.
Quote from: "Ekona"There shouldn't be as I'm using Sean's maps he got from Thor. At least, I think I am: without the Profec, there's no real way of knowing.
profec fitting time then me thinks s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
there werent any internal changes in the engine between pre and post facelift were there, i couldn't think of any, but even a small change would make the map incorrect at varying points
The only one I can think of is the changing of the seals to prevent oil seeping past, but that shouldn't make the blindest bit of difference.
Ah well, maybe I'll just wait until the Profec is in until I drive it again. Should be this week sometime, if everything goes to plan.
nah a seal wont do bugger all, i was thinking of port changes or cam changes
Actually i have just thought of a difference, but cant see how it would matter, the gearbox, yours being a 6 and Seans a 5. Does it affect the loading on the block????
nope and Sean has intermittently had the same issue
so it must be the map, only common feature
Or it could be that the pipe from the turbo to the intercooler was barely in! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Gave it a tug and it just popped out of the clamp, so I spent the next 10 mins doing it back up which in turn popped the other end (turbo) out and needed some brute force to get it back in. The upside to all this is... I AM NOW BOOSTING LIKE A MADMAN. s:D :D s:D
I now know why I had sluggish performance, and it didn't really seem that much quicker. Now it's a full-blown nutter of a car, although the BOV sounds like a dog barking (is it usual for it to release air in two little barks?), but that's an easy problem to fix.
DAN = HAPPY BUNNY s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
Yeah, it was odd - it did it quite a lot early on but never does it now s:? :? s:?
If anything, it could be due to Dan's setup being more efficient than Mark's and mine due to the relocated MAF getting a truer reading. I shall investigate this possibility as I am converting to the newer setup soon.
And Dan posted a result as I finished the above s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Anyway, glad it's sorted - it didn't make sense that the map was at fault as if anything it should work better (again due to the more accurate MAF readings). At least I needn't worry when I convert mine s:) :) s:)
Note to self:
When the road is damp, don't bother trying to accelerate away in 1st gear, as all you do is spin the damn wheels! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I honestly feel like I have a brand new car again. I can even use 6th gear to accelerate now! s:D :D s:D The downside (upside?) is that I have to learn how to control the car again, as I'd kill myself if I drove it like I used to.
Quote from: "Ekona"The downside (upside?) is that I have to learn how to control the car again, as I'd kill myself if I drove it like I used to.
Dan, this is what I'm dreading/looking forward to aswell. It might be worth me getting a few hours of closed circuit instruction - but we'll see how it goes. Is this something you've considered? Think it could be worthwhile?
I was planning to get another day at North Weald to get used to the car again way back when I ordered the kit, but it doesn't seem like the best time of year to do it (what with the rainy season and all).
I might still do it next year in the spring (maybe not NW, but a proper track-day), but for now there's other things that require my money more. I'll just go back to driving like a girl again (no offence, ladies s:wink: :wink: s:wink: ).
Just logged in again to pass my regards on to Sean.
Congrats on the J-Tuner article, so she's all up and running. Im impressed, very impressed - nice article
Nice one mate, hope your keeping well.
Steve.
s8) 8) s8)
Thanks Steve, nice to here from you s:) :) s:)
After a week of proper driving, I thought I might just make the following observation...
The turbo has actually made the car easier to live with on a day-to-day basis than it's ever been. I've been driving into work in the '2 this week (rather than use my truck), as I wanted to make sure there were no niggles that would come to light after a couple of hundred miles so I can make the weekly 160-mile round trip to Lowestoft in my car tomorrow without fear of breaking down half-way! In all honesty, it's been an absolute pleasure this week.
Cruising at 70mph on the dual-carriageway, the noise is slightly more obtrusive into the cabin than my old TTE 'zorst/TRD filter/Markiii inlet pipe combo was, but that's to be expected. Thing is, whilst I was getting almost annoyed with the slightly droney tone of the N/A setup, the noise now is more akin to a deep growl (I'm told that the noise gets even better when you put the 2nd exhaust leg on).
Still cruising at 70mph, I spy a car in front of me that looks like it's going to want to overtake the lorry that sits in front of him soon, meaning I will soon find myself behind either slow lorry or slow overtaking car. I know have two choices:
a) Accept the inevitable and waste precious seconds, or;
b) Drop from 6th to 3rd, gun it and overtake the pair
99 times out of 100, option b is the clear winner. But not anymore. Now, I just slowly press the throttle downwards and let the sheer power put me past both effortlessly. As 70mph in 6th = 3000 revs, and the turbo is on full boost by 3K revs, there's no drama involved: It's just a moment of artistic wonderment as the silver sports car passes the vehicles in front, accompanied by the glorious sound of a spinning turbine and three inches worth of exhaust note.
Truly, I'm falling in love all over again.
s:P :P s:P Sounds great Dan, the car sounds great too, I can tell it is you when you start it up at work! Shakes my mess room/office, swear it's gonna fall down! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I want one s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: If only to terrorise the underground car park at work.. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Ekona"It's just a moment of artistic wonderment as the silver sports car passes the vehicles in front, accompanied by the glorious sound of a spinning turbine and three inches worth of exhaust note.
Hardlyt turned on the radio since the install. It really is a beautiful thing.
Quote from: "aaronjb"I want one s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: If only to terrorize the underground car park at work.. :Lol:
And treat as well. Car alarms sounding off as you pass by. Not a great way to make friends though.
Quote from: "barkingspyder"Quote from: "aaronjb"I want one s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: If only to terrorize the underground car park at work.. :Lol:
And treat as well. Car alarms sounding off as you pass by. Not a great way to make friends though.
Hey, no Americanising my spelling s:P :P s:P s:lol: :lol: s:lol: Bad enough working in a company where everything is spelt wrong s;) ;) s;)
And true - I wouldn't really terrorise people with it.. but it would be nice to hear a proper exhaust in our underground carpark (there's someone at work with an Impreza WRX - I must say, that sounds nice in there..)
Quote from: "aaronjb"Hey, no Americanising my spelling s:P :P s:P s:lol: :lol: s:lol: Bad enough working in a company where everything is spelt wrong s;) ;) s;)
Sorry, my spell checker has no appreciation for the Queen's English and it has the grace of a shot gun.
Quote from: "Ekona"Truly, I'm falling in love all over again.
The mans a poet s:wink: :wink: s:wink: Glad you're enjoying the experience Dan. I'm going backwards at the moment - beginning to wonder if I'll ever get to the promised land of boost s:? :? s:? Ho-hum......
ekona, do you have a 2zz turbo or what? how do you have a 6th gear?
Quote from: "mefarri"ekona, do you have a 2zz turbo or what? how do you have a 6th gear?
standard over here in the UK after Nov 2002 i.e. all post facelift cars s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
as for Dans car, its a Hass 1ZZ turbo
ah damn. sucks to be in the US for once. s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen: s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen: s:mrgreen: :mrgreen: s:mrgreen:
Quote from: "barkingspyder"Sorry, my spell checker has no appreciation for the Queen's English and it has the grace of a shot gun.
No worries - I was only joking really s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "aaronjb"Quote from: "barkingspyder"Sorry, my spell checker has no appreciation for the Queen's English and it has the grace of a shot gun.
No worries - I was only joking really s:) :) s:)
s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
As both Aaron and Mark will testify to now, I no longer love my car. s:( :( s:(
Despite putting enough miles on it this week to see if anything bad happens (which it didn't), the stupid air filter decided to come off again tonight, once again wedging itself against the driveshaft. Only difference this time was that not only was I in Lowestoft, but also the filter is now so badly fuc... ruined, that it's actually cut the gaiter that sits between the shaft and gearbox. s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Cue panicky phonecalls to the two named above (thanks guys!), but at least they told me what I wanted to hear: That the car was still driveable, as long as I taped up (with clingfilm and bandage sticking tape!) the offending gaiter. Now all I have to do is get a replacement one, and hope that nothing was sucked into the turbo while the filter was off, and that nothing got into the shaft/gearbox while it had a bloody great hole there.
Fingers crossed time, methinks.
Bad luck Dan. Love can be fickle.....this is probably just a minor disagreement along the road to happiness......(a.k.a. the A146 s:wink: :wink: s:wink: )
Hope you're fettled soon.
Ste
I don't mind so much that stuff has gone wrong since the install (indeed, it was one of the things I was looking forward to, although I mean the actual learning and fixing process rather than the problems themselves), it's just that they seem to happen at really bad times. First time it was when I just wanted to get to bed, and now it's when I'm nigh-on 100 miles from home!
I don't actually hate my car. I just think it hates me. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
and you keep asking why my tow hook is still in place :-) :-) :-)
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
That reminds me, I need to ask Toyota why mine doesn't actually fit anymore... Another thing to add to the list.
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Turbo & gearbox will be fine Dan - those gaiters are there to stop years worth of crap building up around the knuckle joint - one drive with a rip in the gaiter won't do any harm.. If it had, you'd hear the grinding noises already as it'd need a stone or something to have lept in there.
As for running without a filter - well you're almost certainly fine there too - honestly, just think how many of the big drag cars have air filters s;) ;) s;) And uh.. I may have driven my car (OK, not this one - the Nissan) with no filter for, erm.. a while s:oops: :oops: s:oops: with no ill effects.
You'll be fine s;) ;) s;) Just get MrT to replace that gaiter (best take some KY with you, I'm betting they'll want to charge the earth for a bit of rubber.. if you'll pardon the pun)..
Quote from: "aaronjb"As for running without a filter - well you're almost certainly fine there too - honestly, just think how many of the big drag cars have air filters s;) ;) s;)
I wouldn't do that s:? :? s:? Serious drag cars are totally different crowd and may rebuild the engine after few miles anyway.
Driving without the filter is more or less the same as getting the precat parts sucked into the cylinders. It will damage the engine. Especially with that kind of setup, which doesn't get clear air, but all the dust from the road under the car s:? :? s:?
Thanks for the reassurance Aaron, I feel a bit better today.
I've been out this morning and taken a good look at the whole thing, as well getting a quote for some bits (more on that later). The air filter is well and truly ruined, so I def need to get hold of a new one: Does anyone know exactly which one it is that Hass supply with the kit? Also, I'm not entirely convinced it is the shifter mechanism pushing the filter off at all. The filter and pipe are tightly clamped in, and I can't pull them out with my hands like that, so there's almost no way the mechanism hitting it and moving it by 1-2mm is doing it by itself. I think there's more to it than that...
My theory is that the pipe itself just isn't long enough for the clamps to get a good grip on, and it's general vibration as well as the shifer hitting it that is doing the damage. Hence me driving to Engine Advantages in Witham this morning and seeing what they thought.
They say that they get an outside guy to make up all their custom pieces for them, and that he could knock up a longer piece of pipe for about £40, which I think is pretty reasonable and I'll be booking the car in soon for them to take some measurements and get one made up. Once I've got it on and I'm happy with it, I'll see about getting some more made up for my turbo'd brethren.
I also asked them while I was there about getting a bracket for the turbo made up, as well as a new hanger for the downpipe, and getting the exhaust welded up and the 2nd leg put on. They quoted me about 3-4 hours work at £42 p/h: Does that sound reasonable? I think it's a bit OTT myself, but it would save me the trip up to where Sean and Mark had theirs done... s:? :? s:?
Your thoughts are most welcome, gentlemen. And ladies. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
My filter always tried to rub the CV "gaiter" as well. But the whole intake tract has now been converted to the SMT blow-thru style and the K&N is mounted directly to the compressor inlet bell. Like so,
(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/8109/airfliter2kz.th.jpg) (http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=airfliter2kz.jpg)
Quote from: "Ekona"Does anyone know exactly which one it is that Hass supply with the kit?
Yes, the K&N cone style filter is K&N P/N "RU-3580"
m http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/ ... od=RU-3580 (http://www.knfilterchargers.com/search/product.aspx?Prod=RU-3580) m
Turbo Bracket made out of 3/16th mild steel with 5/16" bolt holes.
A single piece would be better buts its all the scrap I had at the moment.
Coated with 2000F paint.
From the top
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/4998/brace9oh.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brace9oh.jpg)
From the bottom
(http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/7109/bracefrombottom23pm.th.jpg) (http://img165.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bracefrombottom23pm.jpg)
Nice one Bill, thanks for that. Although those welds on that brace look a bit sketchy to me... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Just an update, my new intake pipe will be ready (hopefully) next week sometime. I'll post pics when it's done, and let you know how I get on with it.
*EDIT*
Blimey, most shocking phonecall ever! Just had Hills (Mr T) on the phone regarding a price for fitting a new gaiter (which I popped in there for earlier, the car is going in Wednesday), and they're going to replace it under warranty! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Big kudos for that, seeing as it's my fault it got ripped. Another big gold star by their name, methinks.
Quote from: "Ekona"Blimey, most shocking phonecall ever! Just had Hills (Mr T) on the phone regarding a price for fitting a new gaiter (which I popped in there for earlier, the car is going in Wednesday), and they're going to replace it under warranty! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
s:shock: :shock: s:shock: What did you do to the service manager there Dan!? s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I think he's still trying to make it up to me for previous f*ck-ups which made me write that letter to Toyota complaining! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Still, he's officially in my good books, even if it's a bit sore to sit down now and I have a funny taste in my mouth... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Ekona"Still, he's officially in my good books, even if it's a bit sore to sit down now and I have a funny taste in my mouth... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
My mind has just boggled s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Good to hear you're shaking out the problems Dan. Result with Mr T. Nice one you!
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Please see below s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
I don't often roll on the floor laughing but.... s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Ekona"Still, he's officially in my good books, even if it's a bit sore to sit down now and I have a funny taste in my mouth... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Ekona"Still, he's officially in my good books, even if it's a bit sore to sit down now and I have a funny taste in my mouth... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I'm dead impressed they're doing the gaiter though - that's pretty spectacular.
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s:shock: :shock: s:shock: How did you get that on your computer? Was it easy to install? How much did it cost? Do you like it? How hard is it to get out of mefarri _mode? Have you ever been stuck in it? Do you know why? hHAHHAHA I sure dont?
How big are your pipes?
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Quote from: "wts"How big are your pipes?
Are we back to Dan giving the service manager sexual favours again? s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
(Sorry.. sorry.. very far OT now, I know).
If you meant his exhaust - 3" I think, that's right, isn't it Dan?
Yup, spot-on Aaron.
Is that a male or female 3", there is a significant difference!! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
<<runs and hides and slaps herself around for going O/T>>>>
Quote from: "Liz"<<runs and hides and slaps herself around for going O/T>>>>
Bad Liz, Naughty Liz.. It's handcuffs for you lassy!
Ahem.. I mean.. s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Soon to be 6" for Dan, too, when he gets his other 'leg' welded on.. s;) ;) s;)
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Making friends and influencing people around the world....
well your half right.
see what im talking about. open your eyes Mark
we've discussed this in PM we aren't going to discuss it again.
whatever you say Mark. whatever you say.
Yes back on topic ladies as this is the super Hass topic which I also nearly recently bought but cannot unfortunately justify at the mo s:? :? s:? But I would still like a run in Mark or Dan's to appreciate what might have been s:? :? s:?
I'll take you out at the cat-gut meet matey, if you can make it along after the rugby.
And if the stupid thing is actually working by then! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "Ekona"I'll take you out at the cat-gut meet matey, if you can make it along after the rugby.
And if the stupid thing is actually working by then! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Nice one Dan I'll take you up on that s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Just in case anybody decides to go down the Hass route and wants to install the Krankvents, here's my* simple guide of where they should go!
*Not really mine, as I spent 30 mins on the phone with Mark who told me where they should go. But it's my post s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Diagram (viewed from directly above the engine):
(http://ekona.my-bulldog.com/pages/ekona_my-bulldog_com/KV.JPG)
1= Brass-coloured tapping before TB
2= Brass coloured tapping from crankcase, aka breather
3= Black coloured tapping after TB
4= Black coloured tapping from crankcase, aka PCV
5= Intake manifold
6= Throttle body
7= Spark plugs
8= Engine block
No. 1 should be capped off tightly (how you do this is up to you, I've used a piece of rubber hose with a bolt in the top).
No. 2 should have the larger Krankvent connected by hose, with the air only being allowed out of the crankcase (blow into one end and you'll see which way round it should go). The other end of the KV can be left to vent to atmosphere.
No. 3 should have the original black tube still into it, but...
No. 4 should have the smaller Krankvent connected by hose, with the air only being allowed out of the crankcase, towards No. 3. The other end has the black tubing still on it, which in turn goes into No. 3. In other words, you tee the Krankvent into the tube.
That's a very basic set-up, but will work as it was designed to. You can add a catchcan to collect the crap that may exit from the Krankvents, but it's not strictly necessary and that's a far more complicated setup. At least, it is for a n00b like me, although it is something I will do one day.
Something further to add (please stop me if you're fed-up with Hass-problem related posts! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: ), if you happen to lose whatever you've blanked off No. 1 with, you end up with a massive boost leak and (since it's post-MAF) your engine will run very lean and the car will throw a CEL. It'll also cause the car to stall when you come to a complete stop with your foot on the clutch. Now, who can guess how I know this...? s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I just installed them inbetween both lines. Just cutting both lines in the middle and inserting the vent and pulling the stock cover over them. You see a bulge, but you'd never know it's not stock s8) 8) s8)
I thought they were supposed to go like that, but I'm not sure. It works anyway, there's plenty of vacuum at idle and I don't seem to be consuming oil, so it must be working...
That would work just as well (as it apparently does!), I'm just sharing the information that was passed between myself and Mark this evening. Sean has a slightly different setup involving a small filter coming out of the larger KV (I think), and that works too.
Hmmmm.....I'm reconsidering my BOV and Actuator reference lines now (3&1 in your diagram Dan). This is one to file away for later methinks..... thanks.
Quote from: "Tem"I just installed them inbetween both lines. Just cutting both lines in the middle and inserting the vent and pulling the stock cover over them. You see a bulge, but you'd never know it's not stock s8) 8) s8)
I thought they were supposed to go like that, but I'm not sure. It works anyway, there's plenty of vacuum at idle and I don't seem to be consuming oil, so it must be working...
it works yes, but on boost the cnrankvent coming off the breather will see boost pressure, as a result the crankvent will never open and expel airpulses from teh crankcase.
While it solves teh issue of pressurising the cranckase it doesn't give you the apparent benefit of a vaccuum in their either.
Quote from: "Ekona"No. 1 should be capped off tightly (how you do this is up to you, I've used a piece of rubber hose with a bolt in the top).
No. 2 should have the larger Krankvent connected by hose, with the air only being allowed out of the crankcase (blow into one end and you'll see which way round it should go). The other end of the KV can be left to vent to atmosphere.
I dont think your getting the full benefit of true one-way vents by blocking #1 and venting #2 to atmo.
My #2 goes right back into #1 providing the "positive" in the PVC.
In other words, leave the two stock hoses in place and insert the KV's inline with the flow away from the engine in both cases.
Most of the time, I';m under vacuum so most of the time my crankcase fumes are getting recycled as they should. Under boost no ventilation occurs.
I disagree, the crankvent in the breather line 1-2 only allows air out when the pressure is sufficient enough to overcome the valve. If it can only do this under vaccuum in the intake manifiold yoru not getting full benefit of the vaccuum effect in the crankcase.
Quote from: "markiii"Quote from: "Tem"I just installed them inbetween both lines. Just cutting both lines in the middle and inserting the vent and pulling the stock cover over them. You see a bulge, but you'd never know it's not stock s8) 8) s8)
I thought they were supposed to go like that, but I'm not sure. It works anyway, there's plenty of vacuum at idle and I don't seem to be consuming oil, so it must be working...
it works yes, but on boost the cnrankvent coming off the breather will see boost pressure, as a result the crankvent will never open and expel airpulses from the crankcase.
While it solves the issue of pressurising the cranckase it doesn't give you the apparent benefit of a vaccuum in their either.
The "krankvent guy" on SC assured me it could still create vacuum under boost.
Well, basically he explained it in detail how come it's possible and I didn't get most of it, so I just took his word for it s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Quote from: "me"Under boost no ventilation occurs.
This is supposedly incorrect as TEM posted.
IIRC, The KV guy explained that it does it in a ratcheting effect for each 'putt' of the pistons. So it lets the vapors out but not back in.
Its this rapid fluttering of the valve that kills all other vent systems and is one reason why the KV's are patented (Or so he says)
Larger KV inline between #2valve cover #1ThrottlePlate
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/7223/kvlarge9kb.th.jpg) (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kvlarge9kb.jpg)
Smaller KV inline between #4PCV Valve #3IntakeManifold
(http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/747/kvsmall2rj.th.jpg) (http://img64.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kvsmall2rj.jpg)
Heres what we're talking about having both KV's connected on both ends.
Quote from: "http://www.spyke1.com/krankvents.htm"The KVS™ works by letting the pressure out but not letting the aerosol return to the crankcase. When the pistons start moving upward, a partial vacuum is created in the crankcase and is maintained by the KVS from that point on.
Durability:
"... it proved to be very difficult to find a valve that could withstand the demands placed upon it. Every type of PCV valve was tried but if they worked at all -- they quickly died! Air reactor valves worked better but also died. Prototypes using reed, umbrella, flapper, check ball & spring, and every other known valve design was tested. All these designs either didn't work or failed at some point.
The valve material itself is also very unique.
It is the same material used in diaphragms that control the flow of coolant through nuclear reactors! Of course, the material must NEVER FAIL or there will be a meltdown! The KVS will last indefinitely. We have never seen any indications of wear, even under the most severe race applications"
even so, if boost pressure is theother sideof teh valve air can't escape, so the motion of the puistons will only expel air when the intake is under vaccuum.
Dumb question from someone lower on the knowledge curve......
Should the stock PCV (@ #4) be removed if you're putting in a KV, or doesn't it matter?
No, leave the stock PCV in.
Quote from: "markiii"even so, if boost pressure is theother sideof the valve air can't escape, so the motion of the puistons will only expel air when the intake is under vaccuum.
What you say makes sense and Im all confused about again. I had assumed that under boost, both KV valves would slam shut and no ventilation would occur BUT the crankcase would still remain under a vacuum somehow. With one vented to atmo as you sugest I see how it all might work but the instructions I got from "tat crankvent guy ED?" were to connect up both ends of both KV to create a closed system...
I've contacted the MFG to get clarification on maintaining PCV and crankcase vacuum under boosted conditions.
Markiii - You are RIGHT! - Vent the #1 to atmo and block off the pre-TB flange. Good Catch! I sent him the Ekona's diagram from this thread.
Heres the response:
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Bill,
I assume that #1 is under boost. If so, you are correct that boost closes both KV's! Not a good thing.
The problem is with the valve cover KV. This must be vented to atmosphere or air in box where filter is. Most just run to atmosphere.
Ted w www.ET-Performance.com (http://www.et-performance.com) w
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From: Sherman, Bill [mailto:BSherman@sharis.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:46 AM
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Subject: Turbo KV questions
Hello,
Several month ago I purchased 11 of the turbo KV for application in boosted 1.8l 4 cylinder Toyota engines.
All seems to be working well but we wonder if we've hooked them up properly. I searched the website and didnt see this question addressed.
Referring to the diagram, if theres a KV between 1 and 2 and another between 3 and 4 with the flow away from the block then how do they maintain a vacuum under boost when both ends of both KV's are subjected to boost pressure? The only way I see this working is if #1 is blocked off with a hose and bolt and the KV on #2 is vented to atmo. However the instructions seem to indicate that both ends of both KV's must be connected.
Thanks
Bill
Oregon
+1 for Mark and his excellent brain! s:D :D s:D
Good reply from Ted at ET, although after reading his reply it's now clear that his instructions are anything but. Still, at least we now have a definitive answer.
Thanks mark and Bill! s8) 8) s8) Better change that then.
Fixed!
The bolthead resting on the KV is now blocking the intake flange before the throttleplate.
(http://img500.imageshack.us/img500/2962/kvproper6qc.th.jpg) (http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kvproper6qc.jpg)
The paperfilter is just to keep junk out of the KV itself and to tell me if any oil ever comes out of the head.
Considering that 98% of the time the intake is under vacuum Im hoping the consequences of having no PCV flow at all during boost is minimal and limited to:
Pistons fighting pressure on the downstroke - inefficient
Rings not sealing as well as they could - more blow-by but no more than stock.
Fouled oil from blow-by - Dont know how bad - doesnt smell like gas.
I got my setup right first time s8) 8) s8)
(Not to rub it in or anything s:wink: :wink: s:wink: )
Im still asking TED the KrankVent guy questions - here the latest
I WROTE
Apparently. at least one of us(not me) s:D :D s:D got them hooked up correctly but I'm under the impression that I had NO PCV flow under boost at all.
I've only got 40 (2% of 2000) total miles boosted with the incorrect setup so considering that 98% of the time the intake has been under vacuum Im hoping the consequences of having no PCV flow at all during boost is minimal and limited to:
Pistons fighting pressure on the downstroke - inefficient
Rings not sealing as well as they could - more blow-by but no more than stock. Without vacuum, rings flutter, break seal, etc.
Fouled oil from blow-by - Dont know how bad - doesnt smell like gas and there only 2k miles on it anyway.
Im thinking just change the oil at 3k like usual and not worry about.
Do you agree?
TED's RESPONSE
The KV was working as it is not on backwards .You're okay as long as the small KV is as you first described. Check hookup, instructions.
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Well, the small KV was and has been installed and flowing correctly but I still dont see how it could have been working UNDER BOOST with the larger one also being closed.
Maybe it was the way I asked but his response is not at all clear to me.
Therefore, expect another post on this later.
Here what I asked this morning:
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From: Sherman, Bill [mailto:BSherman@sharis.com]
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 8:01 AM
To: tes
Subject: RE: .Bill Sherman - ReTurbo KV questions
Ted,
I've left the small KV as its always been - flowing out from the PCV valve into the intake manifold.
The only changes I made last night were:
1. Disconnect the larger KV that was flowing from the valvecover into the throttlebody.
2. Vent it to atmo with a small paper filter on it.
3. Plug the throttlebody flange.
Help me to understand my own statement regarding "having no PCV while under boost" when using the incorrect setup.
As you indicated, with my previous setup both KV's would be closed because the TB and manifold would both be under positive pressure.
So, even tho the smaller KV has always been installed and oriented correctly there would be no flow because the breather KV was also closed by the boost.
Therefore, nothing in and nothing out of the head while boosted.
Sorry for all the confusion. But even the auto mfg'r seem to struggle with this and they've been working on it since when the '70's?
Why dont they use your KV's?
Thanks again
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His Response
From: tes [mailto:tes@silcom.com]
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 12:06 PM
To: Sherman, Bill
Subject: RE: .Bill Sherman - ReTurbo KV questions
Bill,
As you had it connected, when CC pressure exceeded boost the larger KV would vent to intake track so pressure not that much in CC. Should be fine now!
I know the OEM's don't understand proper engine venting. As soon as patent goes thru I'll try and interest them. Until then, you get to know that you are way ahead of them!
Enjoy,
Ted
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Makes sense to me. Once the CC pressure exceeded boost or a gear change was made - pent up CC pressure would poot out the breather in one big blow instead of as little individual putts like its supposed to.
Thanks to Ekona and markiii for raising the point. I was wrong and Sean was right.
I've just come back from a trial fitting of the new air filter pipe, and it's looking very promising.
The new pipe is a tad too long at the moment, but we've taken some new measurements and the finished version should be with me next week. As it's made out of aluminium it's very light, and the craftsmanship was of a very high standard. As soon as it's in, I'll get some pics up here for all to peruse.
Quote from: "Ekona"I've just come back from a trial fitting of the new air filter pipe, and it's looking very promising.
The new pipe is a tad too long at the moment, but we've taken some new measurements and the finished version should be with me next week. As it's made out of aluminium it's very light, and the craftsmanship was of a very high standard. As soon as it's in, I'll get some pics up here for all to peruse.
Send me details, Dan - I'm thinking they could fabricate me a MAF to TB pipe if the stock one starts balooning.....its 6 years old next week ("happy Birthday to you etc....") so its probably not as strong as Alberto's. I thought of getting a Samco 90 but the reach isn't quite long enough.
Cheers mucka,
Ste
Hey guys,
I need some help.
I'm having my Hass Stage II installed right now at this proffesional workshop (that specializes in tuning Supra's), everything is mounted and installed. However..
When they started the car yesterday and tested it, it ran fine. But today it won't go above 3500 RPM's. There's black smoke coming out of the exhaust and the engine just die's when the throttle is released.
Anyone know what's causing this??
(I need help with this ASAP and I'm not at home so I haven't had the time to do a search.)
Thanks in advance
sounds like the issue we had with Dans jusrt before the misfire cel appeared.
redoing the wiring cured it, but I couldn't tell you which connection.
If the engine won't go above 3500K then it's likely the ECU has gone into safe mode (which happens when it detects something bad has happened to the engine).
If the engine just dies when you let off the throttle, then it could be a number of things:
Lack of fuel at idle
Too much air at idle
Mis-timed spark
Any CEL come up?
Nevermind.
We know what it is now. Just ordered a Support Tool kit for the e-manage as the version needs an upgrade. that should solve it.
Really? That's interesting, as I'd have thought that you should have the same version e-Manage as the rest of us here (maybe not me considering how long mine took to get here! ), and no-one else has needed to upgrade the version.
How do you know that that's what you need to do? Has anyone else had a similar problem?
Quote from: "Ekona"If the engine won't go above 3500K then it's likely the ECU has gone into safe mode (which happens when it detects something bad has happened to the engine).
If the engine just dies when you let off the throttle, then it could be a number of things:
Lack of fuel at idle
Too much air at idle
Mis-timed spark
Any CEL come up?
Thanks for helping Dan!
A red signal has come on on the e-manage. But from reading threads over at spyderchat it seems it's the e-manage that needs an update.
When we looked at the e-manage through the profec to check the version, it listed the one for the profec but didn't list the version of the e-manage.. so something is wrong there.
and no CEL.
So the e-Manage must be trying to do something weird to the engine, and the ECU is throwing a hissy fit (but not enough to cause a CEL...
I didn't realise you've got the Profec already hooked up, you're one step ahead of me! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Good luck getting it sorted, and let us know when you're done!
thanks anyways for trying to help Dan!
I'll try to throw up some pics in a few days so you guys can see the updates I made to the original kit that they supply s:) :) s:)
The Emanages and there versions as shipped are a little strange - mine shipped as 1.39 (the latest at the time) yet others shipped after mine had an earlier firmware version, that caused the throttle calibration problems that it sounds like RedRaceR had above.
Ah, I didn't know that... s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
/me runs off back to dark corner to be quiet
I was just browsing the krankvent website for the size of it...and about the issue above, I guess we should've read the instructions s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
QuoteIF THE END OF THIS HOSE IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE AIR BOX, OR BLOWER INTAKE, THEN IT CAN VENT TO ATMOSPHERE OR A CATCH CAN PER RACETRACK RULES.
Quote from: "Slacey"The Emanages and there versions as shipped are a little strange - mine shipped as 1.39 (the latest at the time) yet others shipped after mine had an earlier firmware version, that caused the throttle calibration problems that it sounds like RedRaceR had above.
Sean, didnt you finish your install around Jan/Feb? Mine shipped with v1.36 two months later. I immediately upgraded to 1.39. Have been running that and v1.13 of the Support tool (Ibm Thinkpad PII win98se s:roll: :roll: s:roll: )ever since.
Quote from: "tem"IF THE END OF THIS HOSE IS NOT CONNECTED TO THE AIR BOX, OR BLOWER INTAKE, THEN IT CAN VENT TO ATMOSPHERE OR A CATCH CAN PER RACETRACK RULES.
I did read this way back when and it sounded like VTA was an option. In otherwords, it doesnt say "have to" or it "must VTA". Dang thingies have hose barbs on both ends so they must mean for both ends to be connected to hoses! s:? :? s:? Apparently not.
Quote from: "wts"Sean, didnt you finish your install around Jan/Feb? Mine shipped with v1.36 two months later.
Yep s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
turbo is in and running now s:D :D s:D
It's almost crazy the amount of power it's putting down now. Right now I just fear the safety of my drivers license.. s:) :) s:)
Glad to hear you're up and about, Johan! s:D :D s:D
That first time you floor it... Scary, isn't it? But in a good and really addictive way! s8) 8) s8)
Did you install the Bosch BOV in the end, or go with something else?
nope, went with a Greddy Type S. The sound of this BOV is incredibly addictive. I will definalty have to make a sound clip for you guys so you know what your missing out on s:) :) s:) . It makes exactly the type of sound I was looking for. Plus it adds blingness to the engine compartment s:) :) s:)
I'd love to hear a sound clip of it, and if you get a photo too that'd be great! s:D :D s:D
Right, tonight I picked up the finished version of my new air intake pipe and I'm very pleased with it.
It's made out of polished aluminium, and the craftmanship is of a very high standard (as you can see in the photos below).
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The pipe takes the air filter well away from the gear mechanism (minimum of 20mm gap in all gears), and it doesn't touch the exhaust either, although I have got a heatshield to go on yet that will make sure of that.
For those of you that are interested in converting to the new setup, the pipe cost me £47. To have the two other pipes made up as well (intercooler outlet with BOV hole and the one that connects to the throttle body with MAF housing), they will cost in the region of £100 for the pair, and will be made out of stainless steel. Ceramic coating can be arranged, but as that is done by an outside company the guy at Engine Advantages couldn't give me a price for that.
If anyone is seriously interested, shoot me a PM and I'll try and arrange something for you with the guys at EA. Alternatively, give them a call on 01376 502522 and ask for Lawrence, as he's the one I've been dealing with. Mention my name (Dan Morgan) in case he has no idea what you're talking about. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
That was well worth the extra layout in cost Dan me thinks s:wink: :wink: s:wink: Nice job s8) 8) s8)
Dan, VG s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I might look into getting a TB pipe knocked up for the C2 if the stock ones start balooning...... but it'd be handy to have a spare stock pipe that these guys can use as a template .... hint, hint s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Ste
Seeing as I can now actually use my car, I thought it might be a fun little exercise to get the bloody thing on a dyno and see what she's doing!
I convinced the guys at Engine Advantages to put a temporary boost gauge on as well so I could finally see what boost I'm running at, so the results for my car at 5psi are:
Power = 224bhp@fly
Torque = 172lb/ft
Not bad at all, really. This is on Sean's Thor map as well, or is it...
Check out the following link: actual dyno printout (http://ekona.my-bulldog.com/pages/ekona_my-bulldog_com/dynoturbo.jpg)
See that sudden drop-off in power just before 2K RPM? That's the bogging sensation I've spoken of earlier, and it's nice to know that it's a real thing and not just me going mad. So that's definately a tuning issue there (bearing in mind the turbo hasn't started spooling by that time), and there was also some mild detonation at extreme RPM's, at least in the 4th gear dyno run. Seems Sean's map isn't appropriate for my car with the updated kit, so a trip to Thor for myself would seem to be in order pretty sharpish. One other point worth mentioning is that the boost stayed rock-solid at 5psi until late on in the revs, when it started to creep up to and ended at 7psi. I'm presuming the Profec will fix this?
And just for curiosity sake, here's a direct comparison of my car pre and post conversion (http://ekona.my-bulldog.com/pages/ekona_my-bulldog_com/dynocompare.jpg).
Quote from: "Ekona"I'm presuming the Profec will fix this?
Nope. It's creep, the profec is powerless. Still, 2psi is nothing don't worry about it.
I thought the Profec was capable of boosting the pressure at the top end of the scale when power starts to drop off: Is it not capable of doing the reverse too?
I'm not worried about it per se, more curious.
It can stop boost dropping off but not creeping up. As you say not worth worrying about aslong as the EM is tuned for the higher psi.
You will find when you are using the profec at a higher psi instead of the wastegate set pressure it will creep less.
Ah, fair enough. Another reason to get the Profec in sooner rather than later, then. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Cheers for that, Ian.
Ekona, boost creep occurs when the wastegate is already fully open, but it's not big enough and can't flow enough gas through it. That causes the boost to rise (=creep) and obviously no wastegate controller can open it more that fully. You need to port the wastegate if you wanna get rid of it.
So would that mean (and please excuse my ignorance on this one! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: ) that the wastegate is incorrectly sized for the turbo itself? Or is this something that you could reasonably expect to occur with every standard turbo?
I've never had an issue with boost creep on the Hass setup and I'm not aware of any US based owners having a problem either - how about yours Mark?
no problem that I've noticed
Quote from: "Ekona"So would that mean (and please excuse my ignorance on this one! s:oops: :oops: s:oops: ) that the wastegate is incorrectly sized for the turbo itself? Or is this something that you could reasonably expect to occur with every standard turbo?
Hmm, creep is a problem I had with my Mk2 Turbo after fitting a larger hybrid. Basically not enough gas is flowing throgh the wastegate to stop the turbo spining up further and making more boost.
Has yours got a different exhuast on to the other Hass Turbo kits?
BTW, interesting to read about the crankcase breathers - I've actually left mine open to the intake, post intake air filter but before the turbo, as it is setup on the Mk2 Turbo.
Has anyone done any before / after dyno testing to see what the gains are?
Engine Advantages mentioned that I could try an Boat Chandlery as they do one way valves - I may have a go patching one in as a 'test' to see what the difference is.
Quote from: "Ekona"Seeing as I can now actually use my car, I thought it might be a fun little exercise to get the bloody thing on a dyno and see what she's doing!
I convinced the guys at Engine Advantages to put a temporary boost gauge on as well so I could finally see what boost I'm running at, so the results for my car at 5psi are:
Power = 224bhp@fly
Torque = 172lb/ft
Not bad figures at all for 'only' 5 psi.
Interesting to see the differences between turbo kits though - my PE kit makes 195 ft/lbs at 4800 and 220bhp up at 7k - what you'd expect for a smaller turbo really.
QuoteSee that sudden drop-off in power just before 2K RPM? That's the bogging sensation I've spoken of earlier, and it's nice to know that it's a real thing and not just me going mad. So that's definately a tuning issue there (bearing in mind the turbo hasn't started spooling by that time), and there was also some mild detonation at extreme RPM's, at least in the 4th gear dyno run.
Interesting - I've noticed if you nail mine at ~2krpms in a tall gear sometimes it can seem to bog down until near 3krpms.
Chatting to Martin about this he said it was something to do with the ECU trying to run closed loop fuel control for emissions - but now I've got my ODB-II code reader I can also check to see if the ECU is trying to run open or closed loop under those conditions and confirm that either way ..
Quote from: "BenF"Hmm, creep is a problem I had with my Mk2 Turbo after fitting a larger hybrid. Basically not enough gas is flowing throgh the wastegate to stop the turbo spining up further and making more boost.
Has yours got a different exhuast on to the other Hass Turbo kits?
Nope, is the standard one they do. The only difference is that I don't have my second exhaust leg welded on yet, but considering all the piping is 3" I don't think that's gonna make a lot of difference.
Quote from: "BenF"Interesting - I've noticed if you nail mine at ~2krpms in a tall gear sometimes it can seem to bog down until near 3krpms.
Chatting to Martin about this he said it was something to do with the ECU trying to run closed loop fuel control for emissions - but now I've got my ODB-II code reader I can also check to see if the ECU is trying to run open or closed loop under those conditions and confirm that either way ..
There might be something in Martin's comments.....
Add me to the list of 2K boggers s:wink: :wink: s:wink: I've noticed that it is less pronounced after an ECU reset and starts to appear after a few iterations. Wideband is telling me that adjustments to the map are having less impact at 2K, & it looks like the ECU is leaning the mix out in closed loop at these revs. The net effect is a dancing of the AFR as you pass through the 2K rev band.
Another thing I've noticed at the same point is that the vacuum level can start to resonate or flutter ever so slightly. I would imagine that the two issues are related and that they exacerbate each other to cause this bogging hiccough.
Not a good point in the rev band to get this - its bang on the "tootling through traffic" mark. Maybe someone more experienced with EManage can explain what is happening and suggest a fix?
Nice to know I'm not alone in this, anyway. You're spot on about 2K being tootling speed Ste, and until I can get the problem nailed down I'm making a consiencious effort to avoid running at that load (sitting in a higher gear than usual is my trick atm).
I've been pondering on this all day, and I've been thinking about a couple of things.
Firstly, is it possible that the wastegate on the turbo isn't opening fully (or working properly), and that's what's causing the boost creep? Just a thought seeing as Mark and Sean don't suffer from it. Also, am I correct in thinking that the detonation at high revs is caused by the boost creep, and the e-Manage not being tuned to handle it (bearing in mind I'm using Sean's Thor map, and he doesn't have this issue)?
On that note, it would appear that I either have to get the wastegate lookled at for functionality, or get the thing mapped properly. Although I'm guessing both, my wallet doesn't really like that idea. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I'vebeen thinking about this and it occurs to me;
Sean and I both have teh profec running with teh pressure sensor and our emanages are set to read from teh MAP sensor, yours is set to read from teh MAF as thsi can only be changed with a laptop
and your MAF location changed with tehew design
you need to get your profec installed and working and then get it switched over.,
Ah, very true: I forgot that I'm still reading from the MAF.
Looks like the Profec fitting just became that little bit more important. Although that still won't solve my boost creep problem, will it? It'll just mean that I don't get the detonation at the top end.
Quote from: "Ekona"Looks like the Profec fitting just became that little bit more important. Although that still won't solve my boost creep problem, will it? It'll just mean that I don't get the detonation at the top end.
Boost creep at those levels (as long as you have the mapping for it) isn't really much of an issue - it's only a big problem if you're nudging the edge of your injector or map capacity.. Detonation is a much bigger worry for you right now s;) ;) s;)
You could be right about the wastegate not opening fully though - pop the actuator arm off the wastegate and just check that it moves freely throughout it's range (about 90degrees probably), and make sure that the actuator is able to fully open it (you should be able to put the armback on the wastegate arm and yank on the actuator arm without undue force, to open the wastegate fully)
Getting the Profec in ASAP is a priority Dan. As Mark said, the map in the Emanage is set to run against MAP readings which you haven't installed yet, and as Mark also mentioned you can make the map read from a MAF but it needs to be changed with the laptop tool. The det is likely to be the MAF issue - the map was tuned to 10psi with no det so as your only creeping to 7psi it shouldn't be an issue at all when the setup is correct. You are only running Optimax, yes? As a short term fix, by a bottle of octane booster and chuck that in, it will help prevent the det.
Boost creep can also be caused by a boost leak because the WG actuator will be 'seeing' less boost then is actually present and will stay closed longer. Thats the principle behind MBC's.
Colder weather raises boost levels and with the creep you may also be creeping off the edge of the tune and thats why its detonating.
Lastly, if you've simply changed the scale of a boost referenced tune to make it use MAF volts you must get thee to a dyno!.
And about me.
No boost creep at 7 or 10psi maintaining WOT for upto 2 minutes.
I have had boost drop due to heatsoak from 10 to 8 tho.
ball & spring MBC.
Standard issue hass - 3" Exhaust, CAT, bulletmuffler, single exit.
We've dyno'd within a day of one another at 7psi with the 'new' MAF setup.
Made 211whp and 178ft/lbs at 7psi with the post-turbo MAF setup.
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Thanks for all the info guys, is much appreciated. I am running Optimax/Ultimate, but I guess it won't hurt to chuck a bottle of octane booster in as well (I've got a bottle laying around anyway, might as well use it!).
Just when I thought I was getting somewhere, too! s:( :( s:( s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quick question: I'm going to mount the Profec 'box' (not the screen) in the rear bins, next to the e-Manage itself. Where is the best place to get power from, and can I use the ground on the ECU wiring harness or should I tap it in somewhere else? Also, what wire in the ECU harness is the RPM one (i.e. which wire do I connect the brown one from the Profec onto)?
Mark, when you extended the lead from the screen to the main unit, did you solder or use crimp fittings?
if yourgoing to do it that way remember what I said about how thin teh screen wires are, they are a real pain.
personally if I were doingit over I'd mount teh box in teh navpod assean did.
that said.
power and ground you can tap from the autosport harness as you did for teh emanage
likewise rpm, which I beleive we labelled
I crimped teh screen connections but only as it's temporary I need to get some slightly longer wire and redo this soldered sometime soon.
If I mount the box in the Navpod, won't that mean extending all the pressure sensor harnesses too? Or do they get plugged into the e-Manage itself?
You're right about the labelling for the harness, I forgot we did that... s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
Sorry for all these questions again, I know we've gone over them before but you know what my mind's like! s:( :( s:( s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
if you put the box in teh navpod you will have to extend the pressure harness and teh extension pressure harness, however while it's more work the wires are a decent thickness making it easier
oh and Hass number 4 just hit teh road
total install time 19 hours including troubleshooting s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
s:D :D s:D Nice one matey! Any big troubles, or are you going to let Tom report on those?
I think I'll just extend the screen wires, otherwise I have to try and get those silly leads out again and put them back, and I don't fancy doing that much. Also, considering the trouble we had with crimp connectors and my harness, I think I'm going to solder everything this time! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
nothing major to be honest, a couple of missing bits, small ones thankfully, it's amazing what you can improvise though.
looks liek the exhaust is going to keep coming out of it's hangers though just like mine did.
why Jay didn't put the nobbles on teh end of teh hangers is beyond me.
Just to let you guys know, I have just got back from Mark's in one piece. The car performed amazingly well considering it was it's first real trip of any distance. I even had stop start traffic for about an hour, no sign of any problems yet. Going to take some time to get used to the harnessed beast I now own.
As Mark has said no real problems of any magnitude. A missing coupler and a wonky exhaust. Slight hic-up on the wiring loom (not my fault I must add - just too quick with the pliers for my own good - that strangely enough sorted our problem). The manifold top coating lasted 2 miles of driving by the way!
Mark said it felt very solid first time out, and maybe a little quieter than than his own, probably due to the exhaust coating. I still need to load up the Thor map, as I am still running on stock e-manage, but boy does she fly even at Wastegate pressure. s:lol: :lol: s:lol: You certainly have to watch that second gear
Cheers Mark for your time and knowledge, I think we did an top job there. Thank Chris for all that lovely food and hospitality.
Many congrats Tom, and welcome to the Club Of Much Boostness s8) 8) s8) Just make sure you don't put it into a ditch in that second gear s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
My exhaust still hasn't come off at all, which I'm amazed at. Oh, and I've just been out searching for a soldering iron (no joy whatsoever s:( :( s:( ) and managed to comprehensively smoke a modded Celica GT4 off the lights. Considering I was shifting up at 4500 to avoid any knocking, that's not bad at all.
Quote from: "Ekona"searching for a soldering iron (no joy whatsoever s:( :( s:( )
There's a Maplin (http://www.maplin.co.uk) 10 miles from you in Chemlsford - they're bound to have them in stock (probably the only store that will these days, now Tandy are no more). Mail-order delivery is usually pretty snappy, too. Granted they're hardly the cheapest of places, but..
Is Dan the only one over here with the 'new' kit?
Could you take a pic of the engine bay from above?
Quote from: "aaronjb"Quote from: "Ekona"searching for a soldering iron (no joy whatsoever s:( :( s:( )
There's a Maplin (http://www.maplin.co.uk) 10 miles from you in Chemlsford - they're bound to have them in stock (probably the only store that will these days, now Tandy are no more). Mail-order delivery is usually pretty snappy, too. Granted they're hardly the cheapest of places, but..
Cheers Aaron, got one from Maplins in St. Evanage in the end (after a bit of confusion on the phone with Mark when I asked to borrow his! s:lol: :lol: s:lol: ), and now all I need to do is to learn how to solder: Nothing's melting or sticking atm. s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "RedRaceR"Is Dan the only one over here with the 'new' kit?
Could you take a pic of the engine bay from above?
Yup, I sure am. I'll get a decent photo for you tomorrow mate.
Quote from: "Ekona"Nothing's melting or sticking atm. s:( :( s:(
You've plugged it in, right? s;) ;) s;)
(sorry!)What iron did you buy, and what solder? If it's hot and you're not using silver solder or something then it really ought to be melting.. although having said that, the tip on the last iron I bought was terrible. Did you get a 'nail head' tip or a flat tip?
It's an Antex one. I'm using the solder that came with the kit (definately not silver solder), and it's a flat tip one.
I think I might need to put a bit of flux around the joint and tip to get things going.
Right, I give up. I can solder 2" copper pipe together without any trouble, but two little wires? Naaaaah.
I heat the gun up. I take two bare CAT5 copper wires and cross them around each other a bit. I apply the tip of the gun to the wire for about 15 secs, and it's still not hot enough to melt the damn solder!! s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
If I touch the tip of the iron with the end of the solder, nothing happens, like it's not hot enough. Yet if I put a bit of flux on the end of the gun, it bubbles away like it's an inferno.
Quote from: "markiii"looks liek the exhaust is going to keep coming out of it's hangers though just like mine did.why Jay didn't put the nobbles on the end of the hangers is beyond me.
Thanks for the reminder!
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I added a 2nd hangar on the passenger side as well..
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Quote from: "Ekona"Right, I give up. I can solder 2" copper pipe together without any trouble, but two little wires? Naaaaah.
I heat the gun up. I take two bare CAT5 copper wires and cross them around each other a bit. I apply the tip of the gun to the wire for about 15 secs, and it's still not hot enough to melt the damn solder!! s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
If I touch the tip of the iron with the end of the solder, nothing happens, like it's not hot enough. Yet if I put a bit of flux on the end of the gun, it bubbles away like it's an inferno.
Just checking - it is definitely solder, isn't it? Its easy to pick up a reel of tinned copper wire that looks like solder instead of the real thing ..
If the wires are oxidised badly, you may need to clean them up a little with some fine grade sandpaper so the solder 'sticks' properly - or cover the ends of the wire in some flux, heat it up (don't breathe the fumes) and they should then tin easily. Failing that, if you can get to Ipswich I don't mind giving you a hand?
The solder is definately tin (well, 99.25% is), it just doesn't seem to stick. I get the feeling that as I didn't 'tin' the iron first (I didn't know I had to, until it was too late s:oops: :oops: s:oops: ) that I've ruined a perfectly good soldering iron. I knew I should've had a go at this while I was still at school, all those years ago! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
I think I may have to take you up on that offer Ben, don't suppose you're free tomorrow? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
99% tin! s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
Get some 60% tin 40%lead fine-thread (.032dia) rosin core.
Quote from: "Ekona"The solder is definately tin (well, 99.25% is), it just doesn't seem to stick. I get the feeling that as I didn't 'tin' the iron first (I didn't know I had to, until it was too late s:oops: :oops: s:oops: ) that I've ruined a perfectly good soldering iron. I knew I should've had a go at this while I was still at school, all those years ago! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
You shouldn't have ruined it matey. Tin the tip of the iron, hold the iron on the cable cores and draw the solder into the cores by touching it against the end of the cable not on the iron s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Dya need a hand Dan? If so I'm in all day.
Thanks buddy, but after a huge struggle I've managed to do it myself. It's not pretty, but I can confirm it works! s:D :D s:D
Quick question: On the first set-up screen, is the throttle sensor type Normal or Reverse?
normal
Everything is in and working, but at the same time nothing is working. s:( :( s:(
I have power everywhere, and all the cables are plugged in properly. I've set the boost level to Manual, 0% and 20 Gain, but if I floor it I get zero boost. Disconnecting the Profec gives me boost back, so there's definately something amiss. I didn't try the Auto learn function as no-one has managed to get it working yet, should I have tried that first?
Also the throttle input stays at 0%. I've set it up to read from the e-Manage, but it doesn't move. Am I missing something here, or is it possible I've got a bad solder joint when I tee'd into the RPM wire?
pop in and I'll upload seans boost settungs thet work for me
The auto learn feature is a waste of time on our cars. Like Mark said, inputting the values from mine (can't remember them off the top of my head) should work OK, although zeroing out the settings you have put in should also put the car back to normal, ie. base wastegate setting.
Quote from: "Slacey"although zeroing out the settings you have put in should also put the car back to normal, ie. base wastegate setting.
See, the manual would tend to agree with you there, so that's the first thing I tried, but I got zero boost (like the wastegate is stuck open).
If you can find 5 mins next weekend Mark I'll take you up on that offer of nicking Sean's settings.
I'd like to thank whomever canceled their post-maf conversion from Hass.
It was available to ship when I called and it's already on its way.
Thanks Mate whomever you are!
Quote from: "barkingspyder"I'd like to thank whomever canceled their post-maf conversion from Hass.
It was available to ship when I called and it's already on its way.
Thanks Mate whomever you are!
That would be me - the shipping cost was $50 more than the cost of the parts! At $300 all in it was too rich for me.
Slacey,
What are you going to do instead? Local fabrication? Let me know if you need measurements?
Carl
Right, here's my situation as it stands:
Running on Jay's original map
Power is up
Idle is fine
Bogging at 1600-2200rpm is almost completely gone
No idea on any detonation as I have no idea what it sounds like
Light still on on the e-Manage
No CEL at all
Definately not running on only 3 cylinders s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
Given that information, would you consider it safe to drive the car 160miles tomorrow and log the results, or should I leave it here and take another (more boring) vehicle?
Its a tough call if you don't know whether there is a problem lurking. Have you had a good bimble around tonight without incident?
I was told to ignore EManage lights - they make no sense. Not sure that thats wise, but sounds like your map and firing is OK.
I'd say go for it tomorrow and log, but after my experience of melting temps and grinding to a halt after I thought I was fixed, I'm not so sure. (probably a different problem though s:wink: :wink: s:wink: )
If ECU reset improves the stumbling, then at least you know you'll be able to get where you're going if it starts playing up?
Ooh good point, I haven't reset the ECU in ages... I'll do that tomorrow.
I've taken the car out for a good blast up and down the dual-carriageway, and also took it through town where I was pottering from traffic light to traffic light. A pretty good test all-in, and with no problems.
Sod it, I'll drive tomorrow. Hell, if I can give my car to complete unknowns and still get it back in one piece, I'm happy to take a chance myself. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Ekona"Sod it, I'll drive tomorrow. Hell, if I can give my car to complete unknowns and still get it back in one piece, I'm happy to take a chance myself. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I feel another sweepstake coming on s:wink: :wink: s:wink: Club funds are gonna rocket!
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Anything for you guys! s:D :D s:D
Right, I've officially Given Up. s:( :( s:(
On Saturday, the car goes to Thor to get the e-Manage/Profec wiring sorted out, and to get tuned off the MAP sensor. No more fannying about for me, it's time to pay someone else to get greasy for a change. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Wow, you do give up easily s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:lol: :lol: s:lol: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
What can I say? I've had a fair go at getting the car working properly myself, but frustration and the cold weather has finally beaten me. s:( :( s:(
Meh. I doubt I'll care that I'm a big wuss when I finally get the car back the week after next! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
New in the forum. Hi to everyone! I have a MRS from 2002 here in sunny Madrid. And in a week or two I will be having installed a Hass stage II, Tein Superstreet suspension, Wilwood brakes (330mm discs) and I just bought 17x7 Enkei JS+M for 205-225 tires (I know what many people says about 17" being too large, but its too late, anyway).
Now, I have been reading through this thread and I don't think I will be able to sleep tonight. Flame me if you want, but I can't remember the last time I changed a flat tire...so you can imagine my level of knowledge on mechanical issues...
So...IS THERE ANY CHANCE I CAN GET AWAY WITH MY TURBO WORKING WITHOUT ANY OF THE PROBLEMS I HAVE READ HERE??? I just can't imagine myself driving my MRS while bits and pieces along with oil and other liquids (human included) fall along the road...
Tell me you guys have just been unlucky. Pleeeeeeeease!!
Hola Juanma
Como estas hoy?
Welcome to the Club.
I'm sure that you will receive a great detail of information on this site. Some will worry you other bits will please you. The members who have fitted a Hass turbo will give you their opinions shortly no doubt but if you're already commited then I hope everything goes well.
As you've told us that your from Madrid how about adding the location in your profile?
Quote from: "DavidM"Hola Juanma
Como estas hoy?
Welcome to the Club.
I'm sure that you will receive a great detail of information on this site. Some will worry you other bits will please you. The members who have fitted a Hass turbo will give you their opinions shortly no doubt but if you're already commited then I hope everything goes well.
As you've told us that your from Madrid how about adding the location in your profile?
Just did. Thx for the welcome! Is the URL link the only way to set up the avatar...?
I was just too eager to cry out for consolation in anticipation for all the trouble I am getting into... s:? :? s:? I have had my MRS nearly for four years now, but now I am dreaming every night with the Hass. Jay told us that it should be leaving the US next week, so I could get it here before the end of the month, with a bit of luck!
We installed mine in the dark and with freezing temperatures, and to this day it has ran perfectly. I had an issue with a manifold explosion but that was no fault of the kit. If it's installed properly you shouldn't have any issues, so don't worry!
Welcome to Club Hass!
I installed mine and had never owned or even driven a turbo car before.
It took me three weeks to do it tho and Im no stranger to a wrench.
The year-old stock clutch held baseboost (5-6psi) just fine but if your still on the original clutch- I dont know how long that will last. You will be replacing it to run more boost anyway.
Where folks make installation mistakes is when they get in a hurry and work when tired. Take your time. If you have another vehicle - use it.
Buenos Suerte!
¡Gracias! I'll be patient and take my time so everything is done properly and then...enjoy!
Hi Juanma,
Don't hesitate in asking any doubts. Will try to solve it! s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Gracias Spynish... I am sure I will see you around... Not many of us in Spain...