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Title: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on March 24, 2019, 17:25
Not really an on going readers ride as such, as the works been done for years. Just jotting down mods as and when I remember them.

2003 sable 94k on the clock
Black Leather interior
Rhons 2 tone leather gaitor, knob, steering wheel and arm rest retrim.
Retrimmed door cards
Custom coloured door grab handles
(https://i.imgur.com/LEJ9Rg9.jpg)


Binacle respray with metal rings
Metal Gear stick surround
Leather and aluminium centre console kick cards with audi TT satin metal braces
Big foot gear mounts
Widermuller heater control knobs
Head unit upgrade
Door card Speaker upgrade
Amp


Double rear speaker custom housing leather trimmed, full use of rear bins still possible. Inspired by the gtr rear speaker setup
(https://i.imgur.com/rAzfeoo.jpg)




Custom Triple gauge pod and gauges
(https://i.imgur.com/6nbkuFn.jpg)


Carbon fibre effect vinyl trimmed sills
Circa 94k on the clock
Tte turbo upgrade
Upgraded clutch
Tte engraved heatshield plus other tte bling in the engine bay
Real carbon fibre engine cover
TRD air filter
Naths gear bushings
Front upper strut brace
Middle brace
Meister R coilovers
Whiteline rear arb
Braided brake hoses
Grooved discs
Green stuff pads
Correctly staggered 15" and 16" aftermarket alloy wheels
Custom centre caps
Frenzy bar
Hardtop and fitting kit
Markiii pipe
Tte exhaust
Heat wrapped cat
Engine mount inserts
Devs version 2 magnetic keyhole covers
Widermuller hazard switch trim
Tte fuel filler trim in black powder coat finish
Chrome zunsport grill front and rear
Front Bonnet and rear engine lid gas struts

Items not on the car:-
Original Toyota rear spats and sideskirts
Fibre glass front spats
Hz altezza TRD style spoiler with brake light (been foam injected so not hollow)
200 cell sports cat (will need flexi repair)
Standard cat
15 and 16 inch original wheels
StuC bling pins
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 16, 2019, 11:04
Mot passed but with advisory about the tint I put on the headlights, so cleaned that off and sprayed the lights again but not on the front so the bulbs are visible.

Pre mot I fitted...
new front discs
Green stuff pads all round
Clean and greased all calipers and reset hand brake.
Replaced snapped bolts on carrier.

Undersealed back end of car(when motivated again will finish the rest)

Changed oil with fuchs and new oil filter.

Time to drive around In the sunshine....
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: StuC on May 16, 2019, 18:12
You have put a lot of work into this car fella.
Be nice to get some exterior shots too.

Especially one with the not-so-bling pins installed!!
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 16, 2019, 19:36
Quote from: StuC on May 16, 2019, 18:12
You have put a lot of work into this car fella.
Be nice to get some exterior shots too.

Especially one with the not-so-bling pins installed!!

:)  thanks it's been a long slog. The pins are still awaiting spraying with the rest of the body kit, will it ever happen......  :-\
Ive got some arty shots of it on the laptop, ill  post some up when I get my hands on them.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on November 17, 2019, 09:50
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Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Bugster_MR2 on November 17, 2019, 18:30
Teasing us that eagerly awaits your TTE Turbo kit for sale post? 😂
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on November 17, 2019, 21:35
Quote from: Bugster_MR2 on November 17, 2019, 18:30Teasing us that eagerly awaits your TTE Turbo kit for sale post? 😂
Ha, well good news is  its looking good so far. The turbo looks fine too, turbine wheel is good and no marks on the insides so it hasn't rubbed when spooling up, so there's no play on that :)
Pictures on this thread will help the installation for the next owner hopefully.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on November 28, 2019, 18:03
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Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on November 28, 2019, 18:25
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That's all the mechanicals off now, just the wiring, ECU, sump and some tubing left.
Had the oil return pipe stripped and repainted, will do the same for the intercooler pipe, replace some worn bolts and the kit will be ready for a new home.
Im labelling the bits up as they come off so with the above pictures and the installation manual it should be relatively easy to reinstall.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on December 5, 2019, 19:53
They're back, they've been stripped and resprayed.  8)
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Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: s12vea on December 5, 2019, 20:12
Very smart, as good as new.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on December 5, 2019, 21:01
 :D Finishing touches.
Not that you really see them. But piece of mind for the next owner.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: s12vea on December 6, 2019, 08:32
It's all in the detail
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on December 7, 2019, 14:50
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The rubber hose on the right with vsv on it attaches to the nipple on the tte ecu circled, I'd warm the hose up to make it more supple before reattaching as the nipple is only plastic and flexes quite easily.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on December 7, 2019, 15:05
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On the wiring loom that attaches to the tte ecu there's an earth wire it attaches here circled, its behind the seat belt coil mech, which I had to remove to get access.
The plugs remove from the original ecu, the tte loom fits in their place and the original loom plugs into the tte loom.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on December 7, 2019, 15:10
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I've left the loom plugged into to the tte ecu which is obviously fully assembled so that will speed up the reinstall too
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on December 7, 2019, 15:17
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The engine bay loom which runs the fan, plugs into the tte ecu, then the blade fuse (orange wire) runs to the right hand terminal of the battery then off to the fan. I've left the grommet on the loom so it's an easy case of removing your grommet and fitting the loom grommet in place rather than trying to fit the large connector through the tiny grommet hole.
The other hole in the grommet is for the vsv rubber hose.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Petrus on December 8, 2019, 11:27
Together with the TTE instruction manual, you are preparing a fool proof DIY kit  ;D

Looks like it will be fún even to mount it  8)

Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on December 8, 2019, 13:30
Hopefully it will be easier, the Tte manual is great but a real picture will be of a bigger help I hope. Like the engine and intercooler brackets, there's a few fixing points in the same area, so this will take the guess work out of it.
If you think the installing the kit is fun, driving with the turbo will make you grin from ear to ear..
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Petrus on December 8, 2019, 14:35
Quote from: wotugonado on December  8, 2019, 13:30If you think the installing the kit is fun, driving with the turbo will make you grin from ear to ear..

Imagine in my 900 kilo Kikker ;-)

Got the common sense bone connected to the foot bone though. That grew over time.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on December 8, 2019, 15:00
170+ bhp in a 900kg car would be immense. I embarrassed plenty of owners and their cars  with it, as its so quick in the first 3 gears, and mine was way heavier than 900kg....
Common sense is a useful attribute with a turbo....
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Petrus on December 8, 2019, 17:16
Quote from: wotugonado on December  8, 2019, 15:00170+ bhp in a 900kg car would be immense.

The torgue is more important and goes from 126lb ft to 184lb ft.
Great fun idea indeed.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 19, 2021, 19:29
Quick wrap up on this thread.
Tte kit has finally found a new home. After some long hard dithering, I concluded I couldn't see myself starting all over again with another MR2, So when the opportunity presented itself I obliged and sold it on.

The rolling shell was sold on to a breaker, so hopefully it will keep more roadsters on the road.

There's a few parts/panels and other bits left that I'll sort through and post up in due course.

MR2 ownership has been mostly a blast and on ocasion an ache of my nether regions, so thanks for all the help/laughs along the way.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Bugster_MR2 on May 21, 2021, 05:13
 :'(
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 12:53
Most subdued exit post ever for a very long standing member.

Is that it? End of MR2 era?
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 13:23
Quote from: Bugster_MR2 on May 21, 2021, 05:13:'(
Sorry friend, as i stated elsewhere my dithering and other personal issues coupled with the brexit scenario led to me taking the easy option of selling it in the UK.
I will have a word with the new owner so if it does come up for sale again, your interest will be noted.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 13:46
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 12:53Most subdued exit post ever for a very long standing member.

Is that it? End of MR2 era?

Hi shnazzle,

Yeah sorry, as I don't recognise half the members now didn't think it would be of much interest.

End of car ownership at the present full stop.

Ive run the full range of emotions on this one, get rid of the parts, keep the parts, get rid of the parts, start all over with another mr2.
In the end I decided it was great while it lasted, but time and space is of a premium at the moment and in all honesty after missing it for a long time, I'm at the point that I drive so much with work, it no longer gives me as much enjoyment as it once did.

There's nothing around really in my price point that excites me either tbh.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Chilli Girl on May 21, 2021, 14:21
I know "of you" :'(   Sorry to see you go but I'm in no position to talk before I'm bombarded. :o Good luck for the future.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 14:39
Quote from: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 13:46
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 12:53Most subdued exit post ever for a very long standing member.

Is that it? End of MR2 era?

Hi shnazzle,

Yeah sorry, as I don't recognise half the members now didn't think it would be of much interest.

End of car ownership at the present full stop.

Ive run the full range of emotions on this one, get rid of the parts, keep the parts, get rid of the parts, start all over with another mr2.
In the end I decided it was great while it lasted, but time and space is of a premium at the moment and in all honesty after missing it for a long time, I'm at the point that I drive so much with work, it no longer gives me as much enjoyment as it once did.

There's nothing around really in my price point that excites me either tbh.
I thought that might be the case; there are a small handful of us left from when I joined, let alone when you joined.


I'm totally with you on the driving front. It's not the same anymore. Too many people and too many aggressive drivers in cars far too powerful for them. 

Also get the "nothing in this price point". I'd be lying if I said it didn't play a role in why I still have an MR2. What else can give you what it does, for that price? But if you're done with MR2s...where do you go from there...

Sorry to see you go
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: 1979scotte on May 21, 2021, 15:39
Sorry to see you go Dan
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 18:02
@Chilli Girl
@shnazzle
@1979scotte

Thanks all, appreciate the sentiment.

With regards to you shnazzle I doubt very much you'll miss moderating my ill fated posts, such as the classic
Which exit at the roundabout :)

Yep for all its quirks, it's a hard car to top, if they did a newer version without all the required maintenance of a classic car I'd be very interested.....
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Ardent on May 21, 2021, 19:01
such as the classic
Which exit at the roundabout 

I can feel a thread resurrection coming on.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 19:11
Quote from: Ardent on May 21, 2021, 19:01such as the classic
Which exit at the roundabout

I can feel a thread resurrection coming on.
Fkin don't
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 19:14
Quote from: Ardent on May 21, 2021, 19:01such as the classic
Which exit at the roundabout

I can feel a thread resurrection coming on.
:)  Hi Jase. I'll be very surprised if that hasn't been moderated into the bin, a long time ago. Who knew such a simple question would get such a response  :o
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 19:16
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 19:11Fkin don't

 :) See I knew you wouldn't miss that one
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 19:28
Quote from: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 19:16
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 19:11Fkin don't

 :) See I knew you wouldn't miss that one
Haha!

In hindsight that was one of the less harmful ones.
Actually... It was a lot busier with modding in those days! You lot were all misbehaving
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 20:30
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 19:28Haha!

In hindsight that was one of the less harmful ones.
Actually... It was a lot busier with modding in those days! You lot were all misbehaving

Twas different times, when one wrong interpretation of the highway code and it was handbags at dawn :)
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Ardent on May 21, 2021, 20:53
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 19:11
Quote from: Ardent on May 21, 2021, 19:01such as the classic
Which exit at the roundabout

I can feel a thread resurrection coming on.
Fkin don't
;)
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 20:57
Quote from: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 20:30
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 19:28Haha!

In hindsight that was one of the less harmful ones.
Actually... It was a lot busier with modding in those days! You lot were all misbehaving

Twas different times, when one wrong interpretation of the highway code and it was handbags at dawn :)
Ah that'll be age and wisdom then. I've learned over time to just walk away haha. "whatever lads, fight it out"
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 21:15
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 20:57Ah that'll be age and wisdom then. I've learned over time to just walk away haha. "whatever lads, fight it out"

I could test that theory with another Highway code dilemma ?
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 22:37
Quote from: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 21:15
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 20:57Ah that'll be age and wisdom then. I've learned over time to just walk away haha. "whatever lads, fight it out"

I could test that theory with another Highway code dilemma ?
Oh look. It's bedtime
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Joesson on May 21, 2021, 22:47
Quote from: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 21:15
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 20:57Ah that'll be age and wisdom then. I've learned over time to just walk away haha. "whatever lads, fight it out"

I could test that theory with another Highway code dilemma ?

Such a well titled publication. For many it seems to be a code to which they don't have the key!
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 08:51
Quote from: Joesson on May 21, 2021, 22:47
Quote from: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 21:15
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 20:57Ah that'll be age and wisdom then. I've learned over time to just walk away haha. "whatever lads, fight it out"

I could test that theory with another Highway code dilemma ?

Such a well titled publication. For many it seems to be a code to which they don't have the key!
Very true, if you drive around Birmingham you would think that it needed decoding with a Enigma machine, there's that many drivers that don't understand any of it.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: 1979scotte on May 22, 2021, 08:53
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 19:11
Quote from: Ardent on May 21, 2021, 19:01such as the classic
Which exit at the roundabout

I can feel a thread resurrection coming on.
Fkin don't

Coward
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Petrus on May 22, 2021, 09:25
Wishing you fun with whatever you find which doés provide that.

Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Joesson on May 22, 2021, 11:18
Quote from: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 08:51
Quote from: Joesson on May 21, 2021, 22:47
Quote from: wotugonado on May 21, 2021, 21:15
Quote from: shnazzle on May 21, 2021, 20:57Ah that'll be age and wisdom then. I've learned over time to just walk away haha. "whatever lads, fight it out"

I could test that theory with another Highway code dilemma ?

Such a well titled publication. For many it seems to be a code to which they don't have the key!
Very true, if you drive around Birmingham you would think that it needed decoding with a Enigma machine, there's that many drivers that don't understand any of it.


Not so much in the last 10 but before that I drove around a lot of places. Birmingham first in 1973 just as Spaghetti junction was opened up, below that at one time was very difficult to find a way around as the Maps hadn't caught up with all the closed roads etc. Not to mention the very different mind set of drivers, but I learnt to drive in London so you would think that I was well prepared, but I see Stupid and there is no cure for that.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 11:49
Quote from: Petrus on May 22, 2021, 09:25Wishing you fun with whatever you find which doés provide that.



Thanks, no clue what that maybe but perhaps I'll be inspired at some point. Saying that I've fell down the rabbit hole of mountain biking the past week.... Ticks the list for having wheels and the Potential for modding
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 11:54
Quote from: Joesson on May 22, 2021, 11:18Not so much in the last 10 but before that I drove around a lot of places. Birmingham first in 1973 just as Spaghetti junction was opened up, below that at one time was very difficult to find a way around as the Maps hadn't caught up with all the closed roads etc. Not to mention the very different mind set of drivers, but I learnt to drive in London so you would think that I was well prepared, but I see Stupid and there is no cure for that.
Ah spaghetti junction, what a concept! it does work though... Just about, if you can avoid the kamikaze Honda civics that have no concept of lane discipline.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Chilli Girl on May 22, 2021, 12:02
Honda Civics? - I used to like you ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Petrus on May 22, 2021, 12:16
Quote from: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 11:49
Quote from: Petrus on May 22, 2021, 09:25Wishing you fun with whatever you find which doés provide that.



Thanks, no clue what that maybe but perhaps I'll be inspired at some point. Saying that I've fell down the rabbit hole of mountain biking the past week.... Ticks the list for having wheels and the Potential for modding

Mwah, same problem; too busy, too much a-holes and added to that motorists.
I have half a dozen of bicycles and live in mostly empty quarter and stíll avoid weekends/holidays.
Modding is best reduced to adding lighness. Sorry.

Now, do as you want ofcourse.

Mý primary hobby is charming company. OEM STRÓNGLY preferred. I guarantee it is fun, will keep you busy and on you toes like nothing else. Reasonably fit too :-)
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 12:26
Quote from: Chilli Girl on May 22, 2021, 12:02Honda Civics? - I used to like you ;)  ;D
Ha I'm sure in a proper drivers capable hands they're awesome cars -back peddles rapidly-

 
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 12:31
Quote from: Petrus on May 22, 2021, 12:16
Quote from: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 11:49
Quote from: Petrus on May 22, 2021, 09:25Wishing you fun with whatever you find which doés provide that.



Thanks, no clue what that maybe but perhaps I'll be inspired at some point. Saying that I've fell down the rabbit hole of mountain biking the past week.... Ticks the list for having wheels and the Potential for modding

Mwah, same problem; too busy, too much a-holes and added to that motorists.
I have half a dozen of bicycles and live in mostly empty quarter and stíll avoid weekends/holidays.
Modding is best reduced to adding lighness. Sorry.

Now, do as you want ofcourse.

Mý primary hobby is charming company. OEM STRÓNGLY preferred. I guarantee it is fun, will keep you busy and on you toes like nothing else. Reasonably fit too :-)

Yeah it would be proper mountain biking, road cycling looks annoying for everyone involved
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Petrus on May 22, 2021, 12:56
Quote from: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 12:31Yeah it would be proper mountain biking, road cycling looks annoying for everyone involved

I live in the mountains, the farm access is ON the network of caminos and stíll one cannot avoid black top :(
Worse still, in weekend/holidays the dirt roads/tracks are invaded by walkers :-((
I ride out almost exclusively weekday morning.
Oh and if you go dirtbike; hardtail is só much more flexible in use as are 27" wheels. I know 29" and full suspension are in vogue but vogue all it is.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 15:07
@Petrus

Yeah it was hard tail bikes I was looking at, off I go down the rabbit hole of wheel sizes now.... Thanks :)
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Petrus on May 22, 2021, 17:18
Quote from: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 15:07down the rabbit hole of wheel sizes now.... Thanks :)

Basically the same as with the MR2. OEM size or larger diameter.

The 29" do have the advantage of being a bit easier over holes but they are heavier over bumps and notably more cumbersome but.... it is against ´common knowledge´. Like largere rims, wider rubber on cars.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Gibla on May 22, 2021, 17:35
Quote from: wotugonado on May 22, 2021, 15:07@Petrus

Yeah it was hard tail bikes I was looking at, off I go down the rabbit hole of wheel sizes now.... Thanks :)

Forgive my (possibly unwanted ) intrusion I am not trying to sell you anything.....but it just so happens I have a 2015 version of these Cube full sussers https://www.cube.eu/en/2021/e-bikes/mountainbike/fullsuspension/stereo-hybrid-140/ < mine features the Bosch system with up to 3:1 'boost' + all in all really very good imo 
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Petrus on May 22, 2021, 17:58
Quote from: Gibla on May 22, 2021, 17:35-hybrid-140/ < mine features the Bosch system with up to 3:1 'boost' + all in all really very good imo 

But that is moped. An electric one, but a moped nonetheless.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Gibla on May 22, 2021, 18:02
Quote from: Petrus on May 22, 2021, 17:58But that is moped

correction :- a pedelec

you have to pedal, it isn't a twist grip as per moped

its just that you think you have the legs of someone from Le Tour, Vuelta, Giro ...take your pick
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Gibla on May 22, 2021, 18:18
pedelec :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedelec
moped : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped

Quite a few similarities, but key difference is that the only motive power with a pedelec originates with the user pedalling away at the crank and that may or may not be assisted with an electric motor. A moped does have pedals that the user can use if so desired but the motive power is via the petrol engine.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Petrus on May 23, 2021, 09:24
Quote from: Gibla on May 22, 2021, 18:18pedelec :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedelec
moped : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moped

Quite a few similarities, but key difference is that the only motive power with a pedelec originates with the user pedalling away at the crank and that may or may not be assisted with an electric motor. A moped does have pedals that the user can use if so desired but the motive power is via the petrol engine.

As long as the pedals are moved, the e-motor propels; an electric moped it is.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Gibla on May 23, 2021, 09:32
Quote from: Petrus on May 23, 2021, 09:24As long as the pedals are moved, the e-motor propels; an electric moped it is

We have hi-jacked this thread somewhat(my fault for intro. pedelecs)

BUT with a crank-based pedelec you don't have to use electric motor assistance, however that is rather pointless as you are lugging about an extra 10-12 kg for no purpose otherwise.

I do get your antipathy towards pedelecs though, however misguided, they are a great addition especially in mountainous or very heavy muddy conditions ....or both
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 23, 2021, 13:35
@Gibla

All Input is welcome, as I know nothing about bikes really. But I am after a traditional bike really, but thanks for the heads up.
Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: Petrus on May 25, 2021, 17:49
Quote from: Gibla on May 23, 2021, 09:32I do get your antipathy towards pedelecs though, however misguided, they are a great addition especially in mountainous or very heavy muddy conditions ....or both
Neither antipathy nor misguided. It is a bicycle with a motor. The rest is fudging it.
Ofcourse they are useful. As was the petrol engine once cyclists found they could strap those to their bike :-)

@wotugonado
It is paramount to get your use clear first.
Nowadays there are réally useful gravel bikes p.e. which make ever so handy all purpose atb.
Then there is double or single plate.
I went fairly early tech mono plate (10 pinions) and that suits me even here in the real mountains.
Lastly second hand or new. Used you can get last year´s tech at a bargain and even with warranty from the cycling shop.

Title: Re: Tte turbo
Post by: wotugonado on May 26, 2021, 16:07
@Petrus

Well it seems supply is non existent at the minute, everything half decent is out of stock, used might be the only route.