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Title: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 6, 2019, 09:48
Hi all,

Been on the forum a while but not showed pictures of my MR2 yet.

I run 2 cars, a weekend car which is currently an E46 M3, and a daily which will do at least 60 miles a day. My daily needs to be reasonably cheap in both purchase, running costs and maintenance.

I have had a 2005 Corsa 1.2 to do this duty for the last couple of years, and in short, it's been terribly unreliable. It has had so many problems from serious to niggles, I've fixed them every time, but they keep coming. I've had enough of it and I'm getting rid now.

So while browsing I came to realize how cheap MR2 Roadster's had become. Not all were cheap, but I felt some bargains were to be had.

It is a 2004 facelift, with 93k. Red leather seats. Pretty much bone stock. So good and bad points when I went to view it:

Good
Bodywork very good condition
Wheel corrosion not too bad
Very little corrosion on subframe
Very little corrosion all around to be honest, mainly just surface rust
Bridgestones on the front
Head unit with bluetooth hands free already fitted. But bluetooth doesn't work!
Plugs, oil and air filter done recently
Coolant very clean
Nappy still there
Drove very well. Brakes straight and true

Bad
NO documentation at all. Nothing
Front foglight broken
Headlights badly faded
Front foglights not working
Continental on rear.. and a Landsail on the other side
Roof has rips. Replacement needed
All clips missing from frunk cover, but jack and wheel present
Countless creaks and rattles from interior
The engine cover prop was in the wrong grommet and couldn't hold it up..(!?)
Handbrake useless

So after making the judgement call, I decided that the bad things were all fixable for a reasonable price, and most importantly the car felt mechanically very good. I felt the important/expensive things were in place. For 1400 pounds.. I had to buy it.

So.. the list of things I have got sorted so far.

New red roof from Jack Smith last weekend
Replaced broken foglight housing
Front headlights restored
Sorted the engine cover prop
Made another remote key thanks for the guide on this forum. I now have 2 working keys with fob
Did handbrake adjustment, pleased to say it has improved tenfold. Did the full remove seats job. However I am suspicious one of the cable is seized..

Things still to do:

Investigate why foglights don't work. Need to check fuse
While I went around replacing old bolts on nappy with stainless steel ones, one sheared. So I need to cable tie this bit!
The bluetooth doesn't work on the head unit because a bluetooth adapter is missing, I need to remove head unit and fit a bluetooth adapter to the back of it

After all this is finished.. I will be completely happy with it for the time being. I just need it to be reliable.. I know there is nothing wrong with it now mechanically, so let's see how it fares. I will be doing 60 miles a day in it, in all weathers. Snowy weather will be interesting!! I need that famed Toyota reliability to shine through!

Furthermore I get 40mpg.. that's very impressive, and it's very difficult to drive this engine conservatively, so I don't!

(https://i.imgur.com/6yw2BJGh.jpg)
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: jonbill on August 6, 2019, 10:24
Good buy. Only remaining thing to confirm is oil consumption!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: househead on August 6, 2019, 10:30
Nice example for a very good price, I'd say! I paid a fair bit more for mine same year/mileage but tbf it had a fair bit done to it and everything worked out of the box.

Does this car still have the manifold pre-cats intact? That would be high on my list to gut them or replace manifold with an aftermarket one.

Also possibly would suggest a hardtop if you're going to be using it all year / all weather. The heaters in these cars are damn good though!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Chilli Girl on August 6, 2019, 10:34
Very nice! 
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 6, 2019, 10:47
Quote from: jonbill on August  6, 2019, 10:24Good buy. Only remaining thing to confirm is oil consumption!

Quote from: househead on August  6, 2019, 10:30Nice example for a very good price, I'd say! I paid a fair bit more for mine same year/mileage but tbf it had a fair bit done to it and everything worked out of the box.

Does this car still have the manifold pre-cats intact? That would be high on my list to gut them or replace manifold with an aftermarket one.

Also possibly would suggest a hardtop if you're going to be using it all year / all weather. The heaters in these cars are damn good though!

I had an eye out for smoke during the viewing and didn't see any and haven't noticed any yet, but I'll keep an eye on the consumption. I'm hoping considering it hasn't been a problem for 90k miles it won't rear its head now.. also I thought this was fixed in the facelift? One of the main reasons I was only considering facelift.

The cats are still present and I think it's still original manifold.

I've never had a soft top before so not sure how it will be in winter but I'd hope I can manage with the soft top and the heaters, let's see how it goes.

If I'm honest apart from routine maintenance I don't want to spend much more on the car. I made that mistake with the Corsa and it kept letting me down..
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: househead on August 6, 2019, 11:10
@B_Tank88 You'll read in many places such as buyer's guides etc that the pre-cat issue was fixed on the FL models, but on here I think you'll get different answers. Some will say the problem was only *really* fixed in the last run of engines (>2006?).

You can gut the pre-cats out of the existing manifold without too much hassle, there is a guide on here somewhere on how to do that. You can also inspect the current state of them with even less hassle by removing the o2 sensors (which you need a special socket for but will only set you back a tenner or so if you don't have it). If you have your heart set on keeping them, I'd at least check they haven't degraded.

My original manifold came off at 96k miles (I bought at 94k). They were not at all degraded on mine, but that's not to say they'd have stayed that way forever!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: jonbill on August 6, 2019, 13:36
Most of the oil burners don't smoke, and if you bought of one of the many who rarely use their 2, then they genuinely wouldn't known if it burns oil or not. You though will find out quickly!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Bossworld on August 6, 2019, 13:42
Can't have been a million miles from mine from the factory/registration - I also have an NJ04
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 6, 2019, 13:45
Quote from: househead on August  6, 2019, 11:10@B_Tank88 You'll read in many places such as buyer's guides etc that the pre-cat issue was fixed on the FL models, but on here I think you'll get different answers. Some will say the problem was only *really* fixed in the last run of engines (>2006?).

You can gut the pre-cats out of the existing manifold without too much hassle, there is a guide on here somewhere on how to do that. You can also inspect the current state of them with even less hassle by removing the o2 sensors (which you need a special socket for but will only set you back a tenner or so if you don't have it). If you have your heart set on keeping them, I'd at least check they haven't degraded.

My original manifold came off at 96k miles (I bought at 94k). They were not at all degraded on mine, but that's not to say they'd have stayed that way forever!

I like the idea of checking the state of the pre-cats. I had a read on the sticky over here, I will give this a go next week. If this doesn't give me confidence, then I can go the gutting route. That won't cost much!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: 1979scotte on August 6, 2019, 18:18
1zz oil control ring issue wasn't fixed until 06.
As long as precats are intact oil use isn't a big deal.

You don't want or need a hard top they are no use and get in the way of fun.

Can't belive you've still got the M3 big lardy 5 seater that it is
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Carolyn on August 6, 2019, 18:27
Sometimes one should listen to Scotte.  Oil control rings; correct.  Oil use not a big deal; spot-on (can run happily for years using oil).

On hard-tops, on the other hand, don't listen.  I love my soft-top in summer, i can get all the open air enjoyment of my local countryside.  I love my hard-top in winter, it changes the character of the car in a very pleasant way. (Quieter, better rearward vision, stiffer chassis.....)
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: 1979scotte on August 6, 2019, 21:43
Quote from: Carolyn on August  6, 2019, 18:27Sometimes one should listen to Scotte.  Oil control rings; correct.  Oil use not a big deal; spot-on (can run happily for years using oil).

On hard-tops, on the other hand, don't listen.  I love my soft-top in summer, i can get all the open air enjoyment of my local countryside.  I love my hard-top in winter, it changes the character of the car in a very pleasant way. (Quieter, better rearward vision, stiffer chassis.....)

I've always thought your judgement was suspect 😜
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: StuC on August 7, 2019, 16:59
Quote from: Carolyn on August  6, 2019, 18:27On hard-tops, on the other hand, don't listen.  I love my soft-top in summer, i can get all the open air enjoyment of my local countryside.  I love my hard-top in winter, it changes the character of the car in a very pleasant way. (Quieter, better rearward vision, stiffer chassis.....)

As another daily driver. I like using my hard too in the winter months. The soft top can deal with it no problem. I just prefer using the hardtop.
Plus it gives the car another look.

Looks like you have a bargain with you new 2 though. :) 
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 9, 2019, 09:41
So went to get headlights polished the other day. One now looks brand new, but the other looks milky still, while the yellowing has gone. The guy said come back tomorrow and we'll have another go at the milky one.

Tried it again and still no improvement. Maybe the milkyness is happening from the inside.. any thoughts?

It bothers me now because the other light looks brand new!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Topdownman on August 9, 2019, 15:18
Sounds like a good car for the money. Its done the same mileage as mine and my headlights never really polish up well. People say they detiorate on the inside too on the fl lights because the sunlight reflects back off the reflector. No idea if thats the reason but I think mine are bad inside.

I havent found anything that works to stop them going milky again straight away though so just polish them up once in a while.

I suspect new headlights are the only way for me but put off by the cost!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 11, 2019, 00:18
Quote from: Topdownman on August  9, 2019, 15:18Sounds like a good car for the money. Its done the same mileage as mine and my headlights never really polish up well. People say they detiorate on the inside too on the fl lights because the sunlight reflects back off the reflector. No idea if thats the reason but I think mine are bad inside.

I havent found anything that works to stop them going milky again straight away though so just polish them up once in a while.

I suspect new headlights are the only way for me but put off by the cost!

I'm also put off by the cost, I'll just live with them I think. Can the lens on these not be replaced only?
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Topdownman on August 11, 2019, 06:44
People have heated the lights up to split them to polish the inside as the lens are held on by a type of glue/sealant that can be pulled apart when softened. This makes it a bit of a risk so I doubt you can buy lens only.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 13, 2019, 21:09
Quote from: jonbill on August  6, 2019, 10:24Good buy. Only remaining thing to confirm is oil consumption!

Quote from: househead on August  6, 2019, 10:30Nice example for a very good price, I'd say! I paid a fair bit more for mine same year/mileage but tbf it had a fair bit done to it and everything worked out of the box.

Does this car still have the manifold pre-cats intact? That would be high on my list to gut them or replace manifold with an aftermarket one.

Also possibly would suggest a hardtop if you're going to be using it all year / all weather. The heaters in these cars are damn good though!

Quote from: househead on August  6, 2019, 11:10@B_Tank88 You'll read in many places such as buyer's guides etc that the pre-cat issue was fixed on the FL models, but on here I think you'll get different answers. Some will say the problem was only *really* fixed in the last run of engines (>2006?).

You can gut the pre-cats out of the existing manifold without too much hassle, there is a guide on here somewhere on how to do that. You can also inspect the current state of them with even less hassle by removing the o2 sensors (which you need a special socket for but will only set you back a tenner or so if you don't have it). If you have your heart set on keeping them, I'd at least check they haven't degraded.

My original manifold came off at 96k miles (I bought at 94k). They were not at all degraded on mine, but that's not to say they'd have stayed that way forever!

Quote from: jonbill on August  6, 2019, 13:36Most of the oil burners don't smoke, and if you bought of one of the many who rarely use their 2, then they genuinely wouldn't known if it burns oil or not. You though will find out quickly!

Right then.. err.. let's talk about pre-cats? :(

First of all thanks to all above who gave me a bit of pressure and convinced me to check the state of my pre-cats. Had I have ignored, I would have randomly ended up with a seized engine I reckon in the very near future.

So, I was due to check the cats today, I had ordered the O2 sensor removal tool earlier in the week and it arrived. Engine was still hot when I got home, and sprayed some Liquid Wrench on the sensors to loosen them up. Fumes everywhere! Looked like engine was on fire.

Fortunately, both sensors came off without any trouble at all. Didn't mess about and went straight for the breaker bar, no problem.

So stuck my phone into the left hand side pre cat first, and took a video trying to get as many angles as possible:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/VUxZiQWcSEpYDVsy5

Looks great!

Next, the right hand side one:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/PnhVus4ZehUsRyU87

Oh **** :(

I checked the oil next. Got the dipstick out, gave it a wipe and inserted it and removed it.

Bone dry.

So, one of the pre cats has a huge chunk missing. There is no oil on the dipstick.

When I viewed the car over 2000 miles ago, there was definitely oil on the dipstick. Probably roughly at the half way mark if I remember correctly.

Big alarm bells sounding right now.. First thought was, I need to get oil in here asap. It is 7:45pm and Halfords closes in 15 mins, I can get there if I leave now. I had to take the MR2, as can you believe it, my Corsa sold only yesterday.

Got there and bought a funnel and 4l of Castrol 5w30 and a funnel. Oil was on offer for half price so that's good.

I had to put in just over 2 litres to get to the full mark on the dipstick. This suggests it had less than half the capacity in if the oil capacity is 3.7l as Google says.

As I've said before this is my daily, and the Corsa was taken away just yesterday. I still have my M3, and the wife's CLS that I can use occasionally.

I got back without the engine seizing, now I'm in deep thought.

What do I do?
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: 1979scotte on August 14, 2019, 05:46
Don't use it.
Either gut existing manifold or buy an aftermarket one.

Monitor oil use religiously and hope its not so bad.

Cars can run fine using oil for years its only when the cats really brake down that the engine is damaged so get them out ASAP.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 14, 2019, 08:55
Quote from: 1979scotte on August 14, 2019, 05:46Don't use it.
Either gut existing manifold or buy an aftermarket one.

Monitor oil use religiously and hope its not so bad.

Cars can run fine using oil for years its only when the cats really brake down that the engine is damaged so get them out ASAP.

I could probably do this work myself, but I'd have to set aside a good chunk of time for it which I don't have at the moment.

I am based near Leicester, which garages can I contact who can get this work done for me? I'll contact D1 Customs today but if there's any others I'll contact them too.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Carolyn on August 14, 2019, 09:16
D1 customs is not operating at present, which is a real shame 'cos Steve is one of the good guys.

Any decent local family-run garage that is well respected locally can do this work.  You don't need a specialist.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 14, 2019, 09:20
That's a shame..

I don't actually know any nearby garages, might have to take a punt and start calling around.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Carolyn on August 14, 2019, 09:22
Quote from: B_Tank88 on August 14, 2019, 09:20That's a shame..

I don't actually know any nearby garages, might have to take a punt and start calling around.

Ask you neighbours for recommendations, older folk will all have a regular garage they use..
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 14, 2019, 09:42
Quote from: Carolyn on August 14, 2019, 09:22Ask you neighbours for recommendations, older folk will all have a regular garage they use..

I gave Rogue Motorsport a call as they are only 30 mins away from my work so actually convenient, they will let me supply the cheap manifold from eBay and will charge one hour of labor if everything goes fine.

This sounds ok to me and I have booked it in for ASAP which is Tuesday morning.

I'm going to order the manifold now straight to them.

Now to worry about the oil consumption..
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 20, 2019, 13:40
So the manifold was swapped over this morning, obviously took longer than expected due to rusty and seized bolts but not too bad.

The pre cats were actually fine on the bottom side, and the debris from the top was nowhere to be seen. This means the engine has already eaten it, no idea how long ago.

So new manifold, new oil and filter, and I'll be keeping a close eye on the oil consumption. It's all a question now of how much damage has been done and if the oil consumption is tolerable or not.

Redeeming factors are the engine sounds ok, it revs well and pulls well. No smoke that I have seen.

I read quite a few reports when researching of people mentioning the pre-cat breakup/oil consumption issue was fixed on post facelift. This mainly why I wasn't as worried as I should have been about this problem.

This definitely isn't the case!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: househead on August 20, 2019, 14:22
Glad to hear you're back on the road, and without the pesky pre-cats!

Only time will tell how bad it is, but one thing is for sure ... it's loads better now that it would have been!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Chilli Girl on August 20, 2019, 19:18
Quote from: B_Tank88 on August 20, 2019, 13:40So the manifold was swapped over this morning, obviously took longer than expected due to rusty and seized bolts but not too bad.

The pre cats were actually fine on the bottom side, and the debris from the top was nowhere to be seen. This means the engine has already eaten it, no idea how long ago.

So new manifold, new oil and filter, and I'll be keeping a close eye on the oil consumption. It's all a question now of how much damage has been done and if the oil consumption is tolerable or not.

Redeeming factors are the engine sounds ok, it revs well and pulls well. No smoke that I have seen.

I read quite a few reports when researching of people mentioning the pre-cat breakup/oil consumption issue was fixed on post facelift. This mainly why I wasn't as worried as I should have been about this problem.

This definitely isn't the case!

No sadly it isn't the case, there have been facelifts that have had problems too.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: BahnStormer on August 21, 2019, 07:29
People still debate this a lot... two causes for the oil consumption: pre-cat problems, which should be fine on facelift onwards and oil control rings (3 small drains vs 5 larger one, I think!), but this was only sorted out late 2005, 2006 to be safe.

Worth checking for an actual leak if it is really drinking oil and not smoking?

One observation - if you're going to daily this in winter, I'd recommend a set of winter wheels (stock FL wheels for <£150 and a set of Conti TS860S winter tyres are absolutely brilliant)... obviously that depends of what summer tyres you've settled on, but most of the best driving tyres are track-focused and get very glassy at <10C.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Carolyn on August 21, 2019, 08:46
Bahnstormer is partially correct. (Sorry Chris!)

Most oil consumption has little to do with pre-cat problems. It's simply gummed up oil-control rings.

All pistons (until the very last few cars made) had inadequate oil-control holes. They were too small and only four in number. The first Toyota change  was to move the holes down a little to make an overlap on the bottom groove.  They kept the hole size and number, so it had little effect.  The much later, and very rare, pistons had much bigger holes, twice the number of holes and a bigger overlap.

As you have spotted some breakdown of the pre-cat, it is possible that there's some bore damage, but looking at the history of engines damaged that way, they tend to properly self destruct in short order,(as Scotte pointed out) which yours hasn't done.  I looked at your vid of the damaged pre-cat and I do think you've caught it well in time. :)

Unfortunately, the only cure for stuck oil rings is to take the engine apart and un-stick them.  No amount of treatments has ever been shown to work.

As Scotte also pointed out, these engines can run for years while consuming oil, with no smoke and they'll pass MOT emissions tests.

Even Toyota say that 1 Ltr per 1,000 miles is acceptable. It's only to the point when it's using it so fast you might get caught out that you really have to do something about it.

It is important to check the oil level regularly (as you've rapidly learned) and not to run it more than 1/2 ltr low (halfway down the dipstick), as it's possible (during very spirited driving) to expose the oil pick-up to air and spin a bearing.

After a few weeks, you'll know exactly how much you're using. You can then keep track by using one of your trip meters to tell you when to top up. 

Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: jonbill on August 21, 2019, 14:49
What your piston prob looks like:IMG_3125.JPG


What you'd want to do to your pistons IMG_3156.JPG
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 22, 2019, 09:08
They look lovely. I'm sure mine don't look like that.

Although another 200 miles and nothings blown up yet. Oil is holding so far.

Could be placebo, but engine sounds better. Maybe 2 oil and filter changes in very short time have helped.

Also my side vents haven't been fitted properly, by removing them I damaged the clips a little so I bought new ones from ebay, will be replacing these. Bad fitment of the side vents was causing an annoying rattle.

The car's niggles are slowly but surely getting fixed!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: househead on August 22, 2019, 09:14
Which replacement manifold did you go for out of interest?

Mine definitely sounded better with the toyosports cheapo manifold than the OEM with precats. Little bit more pull from a standing start too. (Again, might be placebo but sometimes ignorance is bliss!)
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Carolyn on August 22, 2019, 09:25
Quote from: B_Tank88 on August 22, 2019, 09:08They look lovely. I'm sure mine don't look like that.

Although another 200 miles and nothings blown up yet. Oil is holding so far.

Could be placebo, but engine sounds better. Maybe 2 oil and filter changes in very short time have helped.

Also my side vents haven't been fitted properly, by removing them I damaged the clips a little so I bought new ones from ebay, will be replacing these. Bad fitment of the side vents was causing an annoying rattle.

The car's niggles are slowly but surely getting fixed!

You're making great progress.  I don't think it's 'placebo'.  A couple of oil changes will help quiet the valves somewhat (which is where most of the noise comes from).
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 22, 2019, 09:34
Quote from: househead on August 22, 2019, 09:14Which replacement manifold did you go for out of interest?

Mine definitely sounded better with the toyosports cheapo manifold than the OEM with precats. Little bit more pull from a standing start too. (Again, might be placebo but sometimes ignorance is bliss!)

I didn't go for nothing special, I just wanted the pre-cats out for minimum cost so I went for the cheapest one I could find new on ebay. Rogue told me they have fitted these before and they have been fine, it cost 120 pounds delivered:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAINLESS-SPORT-EXHAUST-MANIFOLD-FOR-TOYOTA-MR2-MR-2-MRS-W30-ROADSTER-1-8-00-07/153568997571?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

They didn't complain about any fitment issues so I guess it was ok. It looks nice though!

By the way when I mentioned the engine noise earlier, I was talking more about the valvetrain like Carolyn mentioned, it generally sounds a little smoother and quieter. The exhaust note sounds exactly the same with the new manifold I'd have never thought it was replaced in the first place.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: househead on August 22, 2019, 09:41
Ah yes, different kind of "sounds better"!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Carolyn on August 22, 2019, 09:43
Quote from: B_Tank88 on August 22, 2019, 09:34
Quote from: househead on August 22, 2019, 09:14Which replacement manifold did you go for out of interest?

Mine definitely sounded better with the toyosports cheapo manifold than the OEM with precats. Little bit more pull from a standing start too. (Again, might be placebo but sometimes ignorance is bliss!)

I didn't go for nothing special, I just wanted the pre-cats out for minimum cost so I went for the cheapest one I could find new on ebay. Rogue told me they have fitted these before and they have been fine, it cost 120 pounds delivered:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAINLESS-SPORT-EXHAUST-MANIFOLD-FOR-TOYOTA-MR2-MR-2-MRS-W30-ROADSTER-1-8-00-07/153568997571?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

They didn't complain about any fitment issues so I guess it was ok. It looks nice though!

By the way when I mentioned the engine noise earlier, I was talking more about the valvetrain like Carolyn mentioned, it generally sounds a little smoother and quieter. The exhaust note sounds exactly the same with the new manifold I'd have never thought it was replaced in the first place.

I notice you're in Leicester.  It wouldn't be too far for you to bring the car to me (Northants) and we can  do your valves.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 22, 2019, 09:46
Quote from: Carolyn on August 22, 2019, 09:43
Quote from: B_Tank88 on August 22, 2019, 09:34
Quote from: househead on August 22, 2019, 09:14Which replacement manifold did you go for out of interest?

Mine definitely sounded better with the toyosports cheapo manifold than the OEM with precats. Little bit more pull from a standing start too. (Again, might be placebo but sometimes ignorance is bliss!)

I didn't go for nothing special, I just wanted the pre-cats out for minimum cost so I went for the cheapest one I could find new on ebay. Rogue told me they have fitted these before and they have been fine, it cost 120 pounds delivered:

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/STAINLESS-SPORT-EXHAUST-MANIFOLD-FOR-TOYOTA-MR2-MR-2-MRS-W30-ROADSTER-1-8-00-07/153568997571?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

They didn't complain about any fitment issues so I guess it was ok. It looks nice though!

By the way when I mentioned the engine noise earlier, I was talking more about the valvetrain like Carolyn mentioned, it generally sounds a little smoother and quieter. The exhaust note sounds exactly the same with the new manifold I'd have never thought it was replaced in the first place.

I notice you're in Leicester.  It wouldn't be too far for you to bring the car to me (Northants) and we can  do your valves.

Thank you for the offer!

I will keep this in mind and will be in touch if the opportunity arises.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 28, 2019, 10:15
So, I witnessed some smoke.

I haven't noticed any smoke at all from the exhaust since I got the car, until this one time on Friday, driving back from work last week.

It is quite odd, it happened, when I was engine braking for quite a long time as car in front was slowing down to turn left from a 50mph road. I was in 2nd gear, revs probably got down to about 1.5k rpm. As soon as he was turned off, I put my foot down to accelerate hard, and got up to about 4-5k rpm before letting off. There was a lot of smoke behind me, with a tinge of blue. It was relatively thick, and got me quite worried and conscious.

I tried reproducing this again in my drives after, but no matter what I do I can't see smoke coming out the exhaust again. I've tried hard accelerations in all gears, from low down the rev range, after engine braking and overunning for a while, and I haven't noticed any smoke at all.

What could this be about? If the engine is smoking won't it happen consistently?
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Carolyn on August 28, 2019, 10:48
You need to replace the Positive Crank-case Ventilation valve. (PCV).

It's on the left of the cam cover, nearest to you as you look at the engine.

Don't think, because it appears to be moving that it is good.  It has an internal spring that loses tension over time and the valve is kaput.

Paul at TCB should be able to provide.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on August 28, 2019, 11:37
Quote from: Carolyn on August 28, 2019, 10:48You need to replace the Positive Crank-case Ventilation valve. (PCV).

It's on the left of the cam cover, nearest to you as you look at the engine.

Don't think, because it appears to be moving that it is good.  It has an internal spring that loses tension over time and the valve is kaput.

Paul at TCB should be able to provide.

Thank you so much for the pointer, I've ordered the part.

Cheap enough part and fitment looks very easy, I'll do it as soon as it arrives. Doing some research on the symptoms, I think I get a slight engine surge too when coming off the throttle.. I assumed it was normal. I wonder if my oil consumption may be somewhat related to this too.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Carolyn on August 28, 2019, 11:43
Quote from: B_Tank88 on August 28, 2019, 11:37
Quote from: Carolyn on August 28, 2019, 10:48You need to replace the Positive Crank-case Ventilation valve. (PCV).

It's on the left of the cam cover, nearest to you as you look at the engine.

Don't think, because it appears to be moving that it is good.  It has an internal spring that loses tension over time and the valve is kaput.

Paul at TCB should be able to provide.

Thank you so much for the pointer, I've ordered the part.

Cheap enough part and fitment looks very easy, I'll do it as soon as it arrives. Doing some research on the symptoms, I think I get a slight engine surge too when coming off the throttle.. I assumed it was normal. I wonder if my oil consumption may be somewhat related to this too.

Could be.  Mine smoked when picking up the throttle after over-run (downhill) when I first got it.  PCV cured it.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on September 3, 2019, 12:58
Right, replaced the PCV and sorted the side grilles out.

There is nothing left to do now as far as I'm aware so time to get it churning some miles out.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on September 11, 2019, 09:59
So.. nothing really to report.

It's been driving normally, it's been around 700 miles since the manifold swap and oil change, and the oil level (although still difficult to read, even after looking at the guide on here) seems to be holding well enough. I can't tell though if it's still full, or around half way on the dipstick. The oil seems to pool near the bottom of the dipstick when you hold it up so I can't really tell, but at least it's not bone dry.

No smoke or anything that I've noticed. Fingers crossed!

I'll take this opportunity to ask if there are any other small preventative maintenance (like the PCV) I should maybe do to the car?
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on October 4, 2019, 11:48
So, a little update as I've done some decent miles since last update.

I'm pleased to report.. nothing!

I have confirmed oil consumption to be around 1L/1500miles. 1500 miles ago I had the dipstick reading full (thank you Trip B) It is now near the bottom, so I read that as around 1 litre, correct? This is manageable for me, the oil is cheap for this car, and 1500 mile top up intervals are certainly not too annoying.

The car is driving well, all electrics are good, heaters good, no odd sounds, I hope it carries on like this for some time and I will be happy as I am now with it. No leaks noticed in the recent deluge thanks to new roof from Jack Smith, all is good.

Few observations:
- Engine may be a little tappety at times (I still remember your offer @Carolyn ). Especially after resting at idle after a long drive. Will monitor this and should consider some maintenance soon.
- The rear windscreen heater/demist is very poor. Takes ages. Wing mirrors don't seem to heat at all, are they supposed to? I need to now wipe the condensation off the windows manually before getting in or I can't see for 20 mins.
- The rattles and creaks! There is a creak coming from between the roof and one of the arches, I need to silicone spray that and will be a start to eliminating these.
- The steering is so good.
- Heater is very good.
- Lift off oversteer keeps you on your toes.
- Extremely easy to handle at the limit.
- Starter motor makes some weird grinding noises sometimes. At least I think it's starter motor, no the chain hopefully.
- There is some oil residue on the right side of the engine block below the valve cover, need to investigate this some time.

- I added my experience to the pre cat failure sticky thread.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Joesson on October 4, 2019, 16:53


@B_Tank88 said:
"There is some oil residue on the right side of the engine block below the valve cover, need to investigate this some time."

That is likely to be a faulty "O" ring seal on the chain tensioner. I believe there is a " how to" on here, a straight forward job that gives immediate results on the clean engine front.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: 1979scotte on October 4, 2019, 16:58
No to heated mirrors but you can fit your own.
Lift off oversteer no sorry not with correct tyres with correct pressures and good alignment.
No I don't drive like your granny.
Heater is amazing.
I actually think the steering could be better hence why some people do the PAS delete.

Glad you are enjoying.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Carolyn on October 4, 2019, 18:08
Quote from: Joesson on October  4, 2019, 16:53@B_Tank88 said:
"There is some oil residue on the right side of the engine block below the valve cover, need to investigate this some time."

That is likely to be a faulty "O" ring seal on the chain tensioner. I believe there is a " how to" on here, a straight forward job that gives immediate results on the clean engine front.


PM me with your address and I'll send an O ring that actually works.  (As opposed to the OEM one, which doesn't).  N/C.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on October 9, 2019, 12:07
Quote from: Carolyn on October  4, 2019, 18:08
Quote from: Joesson on October  4, 2019, 16:53@B_Tank88 said:
"There is some oil residue on the right side of the engine block below the valve cover, need to investigate this some time."

That is likely to be a faulty "O" ring seal on the chain tensioner. I believe there is a " how to" on here, a straight forward job that gives immediate results on the clean engine front.


PM me with your address and I'll send an O ring that actually works.  (As opposed to the OEM one, which doesn't).  N/C.

PM sent!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on November 29, 2019, 14:19
Just a few updates.

I'v very pleased there are no leaks in the car, haven't noticed any damnpess in the car at all even though we have recently had very bad rainfall.

The handbrake had gone useless again after a few months of usage since my first re-adjustment. I think I may have been too reserved the first time around. I did the adjustment again, this time took a slightly different angle. I tightened it so much that the handbrake would drag even when the handbrake was not applied. Then I loosened it bit by bit until the handbrake would not drag any more. This mean't I ended up tightening it a lot more than the first time around and only a few clicks are required for it to hold. God it's stiff to apply though. But it holds better now. On 3-4 clicks it will hold on a slope, on 5 clicks it will hold on a steeper slope. I can't get it on 6 clicks if I tried, so the handbrake is still no good for a really steep slope but it will do for my usage.

Got around to fitting the new O-ring, was easy enough (thanks Carolyn). Tried to clean the residue around the area hopefully it stays more clean now.

Oil consumption seems stable enough, maybe slightly higher maybe it's just my bad measuring.

I feel fuel consumption is a little worse, can't get more than 350 miles a tank now. But I wonder if that's me being scared of the yellow light.

Had 4 wheel alignment done. When I first bought the car, on lift off throttle there was a slight shimmy and this has completely gone now, feels more planted on throttle changes.

Now, the ride has been very stiff on this car since I got it, and I guess it's meant to be like that. However, I have noticed that on some smooth roads that have some slight bumpy intersections, I find that the car tends to bounce a little bit. Maybe it's just me but I wonder if this is a sign of the suspension tiring a little bit (shocks?). Rebound is fine and the car rides speed bumps well, smoothly with no noises, but this is more on smooth roads travelling fast, that have small bumpy imperfections. The car tends to bounce and unsettle a bit more than I feel it should.

Not sure if this is normal or not.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: BahnStormer on December 2, 2019, 08:40
Quote from: Carolyn on August 21, 2019, 08:46Bahnstormer is partially correct. (Sorry Chris!)

Only too happy to be corrected by people far more knowledgeable than myself!!

Quote from: 1979scotte on August  6, 2019, 18:18You don't want or need a hard top they are no use and get in the way of fun.

And this is where the opinions diverge... and it is just a matter of opinion.... but I'd second Scotte's view on the hardtop - the only problem with the softop is that the rear diagonal visibility: it is a LOT better on the hardtop, but it's only really a hassle on those type of merging junctions AND that assuming that you've got the roof up... now that you've got the mohair hood you can just drop the roof for the junction and then put it back up if it's raining :) a hardtop is a huge sacrifice of fun just for one or two junctions - heaters are amazing - I've been out, roof down three days in the last week and seldom have the heaters above three quarters.... decent beanie recommended though :)



Quote from: 1979scotte on August  6, 2019, 18:18Can't belive you've still got the M3 big lardy 5 seater that it is

I dunno - I bet it makes a great dump-run car...

In terms of preventative maintenance - I saw some mention of the subframe being having minimal corrosion - so best get it treated (scrubbed and sealed) now...
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: BahnStormer on December 2, 2019, 08:50
duplicate
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on December 2, 2019, 10:10
Ran out of fuel this morning! Luckily was still on the drive.

My trust levels of the fuel gauge have dropped a bit!
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on February 3, 2021, 10:31
I'm pleased to say the car is running absolutely on point so far.

Oil consumptions seems to have gotten better, it was consistently consuming ~1600miles per litre for about 3-4 checks, but from my last oil top up I have done 4000 miles and the dipstick is still about 30% covered in oil.

Recently, the car had developed an intermittent grinding coming from front right wheel. After a speed bump this morning it got really bad so I pulled over. The brake dust shield was rusted through and just hanging on, I ended up ripping it off.

Do I need to replace this or can I just run it without?

My red roof is starting to get some green algae on it in some areas, I'm hoping a good jet wash will get this off when the weather gets better.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: 1979scotte on February 3, 2021, 11:58
Most people don't bother replacing its a PITA.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Ardent on February 3, 2021, 22:06
Quote from: B_Tank88 on February  3, 2021, 10:31I'm pleased to say the car is running absolutely on point so far.

Oil consumptions seems to have gotten better, it was consistently consuming ~1600miles per litre for about 3-4 checks, but from my last oil top up I have done 4000 miles and the dipstick is still about 30% covered in oil.

Recently, the car had developed an intermittent grinding coming from front right wheel. After a speed bump this morning it got really bad so I pulled over. The brake dust shield was rusted through and just hanging on, I ended up ripping it off.

Do I need to replace this or can I just run it without?

My red roof is starting to get some green algae on it in some areas, I'm hoping a good jet wash will get this off when the weather gets better.
If your roof is vinyl, then this stuff has good reviews.
https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/15901773/fenwicks-cleaner-for-awnings-and-tents-1-litre-15901773/?istCompanyId=c2ec8a5d-93c1-4850-a97a-f4d89d7c99c8&istFeedId=2755fba0-7dfe-46a9-bfd0-09b37aed8b93&istItemId=wapiiwlqx&istBid=t&gclid=CjwKCAiAsOmABhAwEiwAEBR0Zs4fpwc_75YVr9C9ulzOS9USxwmvYaSnZnji9sM-dMBkMymaSq43khoCP60QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on February 8, 2021, 09:06
Quote from: Ardent on February  3, 2021, 22:06
Quote from: B_Tank88 on February  3, 2021, 10:31I'm pleased to say the car is running absolutely on point so far.

Oil consumptions seems to have gotten better, it was consistently consuming ~1600miles per litre for about 3-4 checks, but from my last oil top up I have done 4000 miles and the dipstick is still about 30% covered in oil.

Recently, the car had developed an intermittent grinding coming from front right wheel. After a speed bump this morning it got really bad so I pulled over. The brake dust shield was rusted through and just hanging on, I ended up ripping it off.

Do I need to replace this or can I just run it without?

My red roof is starting to get some green algae on it in some areas, I'm hoping a good jet wash will get this off when the weather gets better.
If your roof is vinyl, then this stuff has good reviews.
https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/15901773/fenwicks-cleaner-for-awnings-and-tents-1-litre-15901773/?istCompanyId=c2ec8a5d-93c1-4850-a97a-f4d89d7c99c8&istFeedId=2755fba0-7dfe-46a9-bfd0-09b37aed8b93&istItemId=wapiiwlqx&istBid=t&gclid=CjwKCAiAsOmABhAwEiwAEBR0Zs4fpwc_75YVr9C9ulzOS9USxwmvYaSnZnji9sM-dMBkMymaSq43khoCP60QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

It's a cloth/fabric roof from Jack Smith.

I was thinking a careful jet wash after some soap and sponge work may get rid of it, unless there is a specific product for it.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: 1979scotte on February 8, 2021, 09:09
Quote from: B_Tank88 on February  8, 2021, 09:06
Quote from: Ardent on February  3, 2021, 22:06
Quote from: B_Tank88 on February  3, 2021, 10:31I'm pleased to say the car is running absolutely on point so far.

Oil consumptions seems to have gotten better, it was consistently consuming ~1600miles per litre for about 3-4 checks, but from my last oil top up I have done 4000 miles and the dipstick is still about 30% covered in oil.

Recently, the car had developed an intermittent grinding coming from front right wheel. After a speed bump this morning it got really bad so I pulled over. The brake dust shield was rusted through and just hanging on, I ended up ripping it off.

Do I need to replace this or can I just run it without?

My red roof is starting to get some green algae on it in some areas, I'm hoping a good jet wash will get this off when the weather gets better.
If your roof is vinyl, then this stuff has good reviews.
https://www.gooutdoors.co.uk/15901773/fenwicks-cleaner-for-awnings-and-tents-1-litre-15901773/?istCompanyId=c2ec8a5d-93c1-4850-a97a-f4d89d7c99c8&istFeedId=2755fba0-7dfe-46a9-bfd0-09b37aed8b93&istItemId=wapiiwlqx&istBid=t&gclid=CjwKCAiAsOmABhAwEiwAEBR0Zs4fpwc_75YVr9C9ulzOS9USxwmvYaSnZnji9sM-dMBkMymaSq43khoCP60QAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

It's a cloth/fabric roof from Jack Smith.

I was thinking a careful jet wash after some soap and sponge work may get rid of it, unless there is a specific product for it.

I always liked renovo.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Topdownman on February 8, 2021, 09:34
I just use johnsons baby shampoo and a stiff washing up brush on my Jack  Smiths roof. I then dry it throughly and treat with Fabsil waterproofer maybe twice a year(brush on with a paint brush) and let that dry. It helps the water bead up and stops dirt sticking.

Between times it is just the normal car shampoo.
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Joesson on February 8, 2021, 11:08


B_Tank88 said:

"Oil consumptions seems to have gotten better, it was consistently consuming ~1600miles per litre for about 3-4 checks, but from my last oil top up I have done 4000 miles and the dipstick is still about 30% covered in oil"


@Ardent said sometime ago:

"From F to L on stick is 1300ml 1.3litre. of oil.
From F to L on stick is 27mm in length.
1300 divide 27 = 48.

So when you check the oil level with car level and stone cold. If the oil is 5mm from the F mark you want to add just under 250ml of oil.
That is how I do it. "


Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: B_Tank88 on May 17, 2022, 13:49
So, probably time for a diary update, it's been a while.

Some maintenance work done on the MR2 since:

2 new handbrake cables fitted
New anti roll bar links
New subframe!
New front shocks and springs

Oil consumption still consistent. But I can see some weeping oil, maybe it's the rocker cover gasket.

In general the car is doing well, and looking pretty good.

Unfortunately there was a little mishap right after the handbrake work.. and I don't know what happened. I was parked up on a slope in car park, the handbrake was holding good so gave me confidence. But.. when I turned after 3 hours, the car had rolled into a wooden post :(

Dent to the bumper and a small dent to the exhaust box. Not that big of a deal, the bumper bent back into shape and the scuffs aren't too visible as they are on the underside. No idea what happened here! It was holding well when I left the car.. maybe I didn't give it enough clicks.

Anyway here are some handsome pictures out in the recent sun.

(https://i.ibb.co/PWFKBpZ/20220513-151617.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PWFKBpZ)

(https://i.ibb.co/Ld1L0kH/20220513-151609.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Ld1L0kH)

(https://i.ibb.co/fHQYcB1/20220513-151602.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fHQYcB1)

high res images (https://imgbb.com/)
Title: Re: Sable daily workhorse
Post by: Alex Knight on May 17, 2022, 20:16
I *always* park in gear, no matter what. Anywhere. Any time.