Hello all,
Apologies, you're all probably sick of my posts already....
I just thinking about my 2 and the work that it needs/could do with to improve it. The engine has done 104000 miles and has had the precats done. As you may be aware with one of my other posts i have had an oil leak issue which fingers crossed is now fixed. Aside from new tyres and alignment where is my money best spent first or you would you not spend anything on it at all and run it till it bangs the car only cost me £1000 with 8 month MOT. When taken into a garage to give it the once over they said the following needed doing;
Cam cover gasket - Done
Oil tensioner O ring - Done
New front discs and pads - Done
Coils were slightly corroded but would sail through and MOT.
I would be looking at maybe body kits, new exhaust, new suspension or components, new roof and possibly a re spray and maybe an engine change. Now i know all of this is way more that the car is worth but i like the idea of brining something from being a bit average to decent.
Or am i better off saving my money and just buying a better example?
Thanks
I paid £1200 for mine a few years ago, basically for a bet after a few pints one night.
I'm now at least 6 grand in and still spending, I sometimes think about what I could've bought "off the shelf" for the same money, or less but the silver problem child got right under my skin.
Welcome to becoming a true enthusiast.
I'm sure there are many many members who have spent thousands of squids on their babies.
Mine: A couple of engines, clutch, Seats, roof, hardtop, radiator, hoses, shocks, springs, a-arms, wheel refurb, radio, door engine lid, bonnet, disks, and then the little stuff.....
It'll be a good car one day!!
What fun!
What's the fun in having one that's all done?
Besides, there's always a nasty surprise.
I'd say start with your suspension. Then exhaust. Then roof (unless it's leaking in which case it'd be first). Then go bodykit etc. Then respray
Quote from: Carolyn on March 18, 2021, 18:16Welcome to becoming a true enthusiast.
I'm sure there are many many members who have spent thousands of squids on their babies.
Mine: A couple of engines, clutch, Seats, roof, hardtop, radiator, hoses, shocks, springs, a-arms, wheel refurb, radio, door engine lid, bonnet, disks, and then the little stuff.....
It'll be a good car one day!!
What fun!
Lets hope so, and i already the the better halves approval.. Lets see what happens.
Al
Quote from: shnazzle on March 18, 2021, 18:23What's the fun in having one that's all done?
Besides, there's always a nasty surprise.
I'd say start with your suspension. Then exhaust. Then roof (unless it's leaking in which case it'd be first). Then go bodykit etc. Then respray
Ok great, what suspension would be recommended, just keep it original or are there upgrades that a worth the while and money?
Thanks
Quote from: almitch1 on March 18, 2021, 18:38Quote from: shnazzle on March 18, 2021, 18:23What's the fun in having one that's all done?
Besides, there's always a nasty surprise.
I'd say start with your suspension. Then exhaust. Then roof (unless it's leaking in which case it'd be first). Then go bodykit etc. Then respray
Ok great, what suspension would be recommended, just keep it original or are there upgrades that a worth the while and money?
Thanks
Option A) fit kyb shocks and tein springs
Option B) fit koni inserts and tein springs.
Can't go wrong with either of those and the price isn't eye watering.
Option C) fit cheap coilovers BC or MeisterR
Option D) fit expensive coilovers either Tein or KW.
Those options aren't to every ones taste and the KW are worth more than some MR2s.
My total spend on various MR2 roadsters takes me deep into Boxster S territory but then I've done some silly things.
Quote from: 1979scotte on March 18, 2021, 18:46Quote from: almitch1 on March 18, 2021, 18:38Quote from: shnazzle on March 18, 2021, 18:23What's the fun in having one that's all done?
Besides, there's always a nasty surprise.
I'd say start with your suspension. Then exhaust. Then roof (unless it's leaking in which case it'd be first). Then go bodykit etc. Then respray
Ok great, what suspension would be recommended, just keep it original or are there upgrades that a worth the while and money?
Thanks
Option A) fit kyb shocks and tein springs
Option B) fit koni inserts and tein springs.
Can't go wrong with either of those and the price isn't eye watering.
Option C) fit cheap coilovers BC or MeisterR
Option D) fit expensive coilovers either Tein or KW.
Those options aren't to every ones taste and the KW are worth more than some MR2s.
My total spend on various MR2 roadsters takes me deep into Boxster S territory but then I've done some silly things.
But i bet its as quick if not quicker that most Boxster S's. What i like about it is that i can spend the money when i have it rather than a big outlay on a "better" car I use the word better liberally... lol
With suspension upgrades can you do it in stages?
Fit springs then a month later new shocks etc etc or is this not advisable?
Also would you buy lowering springs?
Thanks
As you're an originality freak, which a few of us are, go with KYB shocks and OEM spec springs. I did and I love it.
These cars are sweet just as they were originally produced.
I'm not saying you shouldn't modify, (I wouldn't do that would I?).
Mind you when you go for 'factory fresh', that's about as expensive as it gets.
Quote from: almitch1 on March 18, 2021, 18:53With suspension upgrades can you do it in stages?
Fit springs then a month later new shocks etc etc or is this not advisable?
Also would you buy lowering springs?
Thanks
Shocks & springs together. For one it is a way better technical option and secondliy it saves on labour.
Lówering springs... euh.... on the real world street those are a bit of a good looking pile of drawbacks; have look at:
https://www.spyderchat.com/threads/spring-rates-table-for-lowering-springs.104465/#post-1511633
Its better to have a plan and save up for it. Buying for the sake of doing what is popular is not always the best choice. All of those suspension modifications have drawbacks and if they are not tuned right can make the car handle worse for your experience level. Best to get the car back to factory fresh with new dampers until you know what you want.
@almitch1 Re your opening line. Not at all, we love proper sensible enthusiast quest for knowledge questions.
These cars are about handling.
Think you have sorted/sorting the tyres out. (Apologies if I have completely mixed up posts in my head)
Like many here, I'm in the, spent more on it, than it cost club. The point being, wanted to. Not had to.
To answer your question, need to ask a question. Where are you going to use it,
Road or track?
I went the stock oem KYB shock route with tein s springs and very happy.
You'll end up having another geo after the work is done.
Are you spanner spinning or paying for the work?
If paying, then shocks and springs same time unless you enjoy paying for the same work twice.
I'm just a B road bandit. No interest in track work. So stock is where it's at for me.
I mentioned several posts back that I know of one member that has / had over 200k miles on his OE engine. Yours is only half way there so it could be a while before it " bangs the car", so I would wait and determine the condition of your engine by checking oil consumption.
Little point in having body kits if the car won't start.
Meanwhile, if you do decide to change the suspension, and are doing it yourself I suggest that you keep the old shocks and springs. The new equipment wouldn't add value to the car if you sell, so if then you decided to get a "better example" you could swop the suspension back again or sell it to get some £ back.
If I were you I'd wait until you find out if it's an oil-burner before you spend money on it. Have you had an opinion as to how the body is underneath for rust?
Quote from: Ardent on March 18, 2021, 19:38@almitch1
Re your opening line. Not at all, we love proper sensible enthusiast quest for knowledge questions.
These cars are about handling.
Think you have sorted/sorting the tyres out. (Apologies if I have completely mixed up posts in my head)
Like many here, I'm in the, spent more on it, than it cost club. The point being, wanted to. Not had to.
To answer your question, need to ask a question. Where are you going to use it,
Road or track?
I went the stock oem KYB shock route with tein s springs and very happy.
You'll end up having another geo after the work is done.
Are you spanner spinning or paying for the work?
If paying, then shocks and springs same time unless you enjoy paying for the same work twice.
I'm just a B road bandit. No interest in track work. So stock is where it's at for me.
I'll be using it on roads only.. So like you a B road bandit
Quote from: Gaz mr-s on March 18, 2021, 21:07If I were you I'd wait until you find out if it's an oil-burner before you spend money on it. Have you had an opinion as to how the body is underneath for rust?
Yeah it's rust free
The way I see it is, spend your money as you please, some spend on performance, some on handling, some on cosmetics, I dread to think what I have spent on motorbikes over the years, I recently paid £1500 for two carbon fibre wheels for one of them :-X . I purchased my MR2 to keep standard, whoops, didnt last long
Anyway, you would only spend it on something else
Rob
Quote from: almitch1 on March 18, 2021, 21:30Yeah it's rust free
Then it is a good one already no?!
Also, you mentioned it fleetingly but a detail it is not, NÓT; you have the missus with you!!
That is two biggies.
The last biggie is getting your ducks in a row about what you want with the car.
I bought mine for 1500..
I have probably spent 6-7K on mine..
Anyone with a 2GR would have spent 10k plus..
The silver one we have, we got for 1500 and spent literally nothing on it and its stock.
So really its what ever you are comfortable spending on it
Quote from: 1979scotte on March 18, 2021, 18:46Option A) fit kyb shocks and tein springs
Option B) fit koni inserts and tein springs.
Can't go wrong with either of those and the price isn't eye watering.
Option C) fit cheap coilovers BC or MeisterR
Option D) fit expensive coilovers either Tein or KW.
Those options aren't to every ones taste and the KW are worth more than some MR2s.
My total spend on various MR2 roadsters takes me deep into Boxster S territory but then I've done some silly things.
Option B+) fit koni inserts and H&R springs.
We have done A, B and now B+, and prefer the H&R springs over the Tein. They don't lower quite as much, have a better ride because of slightly more travel even though they seem a bit stiffer, and handle just as nice as the Tein. While KYB are OK with lowering springs, the Koni are much better
Just take the body kits off your list and you'll be fine ;)
On a side note to further up about a boxsters.. .they are whole different league to the mr2 so much more capable, easier to drive quickly, etc etc just a very grown up MR2 . When I can get another I will.
But I will still be in the mr2 because it is a lot cheaper fun and cheaper when it goes wrong.
Quote from: pistol pete on March 19, 2021, 19:52On a side note to further up about a boxsters.. .they are whole different league to the mr2 so much more capable, easier to drive quickly, etc etc just a very grown up MR2 . When I can get another I will.
But I will still be in the mr2 because it is a lot cheaper fun and cheaper when it goes wrong.
I very much like the Cayman/Boxster but I hate the long gearing.
It's purely driven by economy emissions etc and totally stupid in a sports car.
Quickly in a 2 is a very different speed to quickly in a porsche.
I'd monitor the oil usage for a few driving weeks. If it's good, move onto other stuff.
I've just completed a fairly comprehensive suspension refresh on my 62k miler. It was clonking and the springs looked like they'd been pulled out of the English Channel.
So first attack was new complete shocks, springs and mounts.
Handling improved loads - like a different car. Because of the corrosion on the other suspension parts......
Then Sway bars and bushes, front lower wishbones, and all 3 rear suspension rods each side.
Now it's like a new car - silence is golden - no more clocks.
For my parts list, see https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=70661.0
Before I did all that, shortly after buying her, I replaced the battery, stock radio inc. rear camera, purchased a Jack and wrench set (was missing!), refurbished the standard wheels, and had a small bit of surface rust repaired on the right rear wing below the intake.
I also did a number of "high return for low investment" mods last summer lockdown...
Alarm relocate. Flipped the spare wheel. Relocated the heated seat switches. Reassigned the passenger window switch to an aerial control switch. Illuminated the remaining right side switches. Installed heated mirrors. Replaced the front fogs (badly corroded). Replaced the interior light lens for clear version with bright LED. Laid in long USB and charging lines. Wired in front and rear dash cams.
Whatever you do, enjoy it.
With "no rust" underneath - you're lucky and mot's shouldn't be a bum clencher!
There's no "right amount to spend" but there is a "right amount for you to spend" and that's whatever you want to and can afford to.
Quote from: 1979scotte on March 19, 2021, 20:18Quote from: pistol pete on March 19, 2021, 19:52On a side note to further up about a boxsters.. .they are whole different league to the mr2 so much more capable, easier to drive quickly, etc etc just a very grown up MR2 . When I can get another I will.
But I will still be in the mr2 because it is a lot cheaper fun and cheaper when it goes wrong.
I very much like the Cayman/Boxster but I hate the long gearing.
It's purely driven by economy emissions etc and totally stupid in a sports car.
Quickly in a 2 is a very different speed to quickly in a porsche.
The latter is a pointer to whether that is a thing to want or not.
The Boxster is perhaps two steps up in design refinement and quality.
The problem is that it pushes the limits of the car way up too, the more so because it has the enging to push it there.
Those limits are móre than two steps up real world back roads, never mind the twisties in the mountains.
The modern Porsches are the extreme of the 911 versus the 912. The 912 could be pushed with confidence and the 911 engine was the next step up. The car and roads not so much. Ah and the driver... Most people were and will be quicker with the 912 on back roads, will enjoy it só much more. That is imo the forte of the Spyder; you can actually úse car and not brown your pants.
I have my Spyder well under 900 kg and the n.a. 1ZZ can push it way beyond the mountain twisties here.
Yes I tried the Boxster before going MR2 and is simply overkill to the point of useless and way too heavy/powerfull.
Yes I would lóve an ´overtake made´ switch occasionally but the rest of the day the n.a. 1ZZ is quite quick enough.
This morning I went down the A-7075 from Concepcion to Málaga. It was pure joy. It would have been same in a 912 and a pain in a Boxster.
The real world is NOT like the Nürburgring. The MR2 Spyder is a real world roads car. You can thrash it no worries over back roads in OEM trim. HÚGE return for the money. Reliably.
Yes completely agree.. the mr2 is all the sports car you'll ever need.
The Porsche is sooo competent that the cars boundaries are so much higher.. just my view they can't really be compared.. two similar cars used for different reasons in completely different price bracketd
Quote from: pistol pete on March 20, 2021, 06:10Yes completely agree.. the mr2 is all the sports car you'll ever need.
The Porsche is sooo competent that the cars boundaries are so much higher.. just my view they can't really be compared.. two similar cars used for different reasons in completely different price bracketd
Except used the prices aren't so different
Quote from: pistol pete on March 20, 2021, 06:10Yes completely agree.. the mr2 is all the sports car you'll ever need.
The Porsche is sooo competent that the cars boundaries are so much higher.. just my view they can't really be compared.. two similar cars used for different reasons in completely different price bracketd
They are entirely two different cars. My BIL had a Boxster S for years which I drove often and had with me for a time. It is a nice car, refined and capable but it rode more or less like a front end GT car than a lightweight roadster. As scotte mentioned the gearing was too long. My BIL loved it for this reason that it was more or less inline with road comfort in mind. In a race the Boxster would be king but you wouldn't feel it was and that is the best way to describe it.
The Roadster follows more or less the same ethos as the MX-5 Miata and Lotus Elise which is light weight and in the raw. You cant get that at any price if you keep developing a car which is trying to appeal to a more upscale opulent segment, there will be compromises.
I remember my BIL telling me a story of a co worker that bought a lotus and how he had the better car, I had to break it to him that it wasn't at least for what the Elise driver wanted over the Boxster.
If you want to get into potentials the Boxster comes fully capable especially since it has a dry sump. When you modify one of our cars that distance narrows quickly because the potentials were greatly offset. I would like to think that our cars were dumbed down from the factory and what you do to it has exponential returns especially at its price point even with simple things like changing the tires.
The MR-S and MX-5 actually feel closer in the way it drives similar to a 80s 911. My BIL is planing to buy a 356 replica that is built on a modern chassis with better suspension and Subaru motor because he now understands the appeal over buying a newer Porsche.
Quote from: Dev on March 20, 2021, 15:00Quote from: pistol pete on March 20, 2021, 06:10Yes completely agree.. the mr2 is all the sports car you'll ever need.
The Porsche is sooo competent that the cars boundaries are so much higher.. just my view they can't really be compared.. two similar cars used for different reasons in completely different price bracketd
They are entirely two different cars. My BIL had a Boxster S for years which I drove often and had with me for a time. It is a nice car, refined and capable but it rode more or less like a front end GT car than a lightweight roadster. As scotte mentioned the gearing was too long. My BIL loved it for this reason that it was more or less inline with road comfort in mind. In a race the Boxster would be king but you wouldn't feel it was and that is the best way to describe it.
The Roadster follows more or less the same ethos as the MX-5 Miata and Lotus Elise which is light weight and in the raw. You cant get that at any price if you keep developing a car which is trying to appeal to a more upscale opulent segment, there will be compromises.
I remember my BIL telling me a story of a co worker that bought a lotus and how he had the better car, I had to break it to him that it wasn't at least for what the Elise driver wanted over the Boxster.
If you want to get into potentials the Boxster comes fully capable especially since it has a dry sump. When you modify one of our cars that distance narrows quickly because the potentials were greatly offset. I would like to think that our cars were dumbed down from the factory and what you do to it has exponential returns especially at its price point even with simple things like changing the tires.
The MR-S and MX-5 actually feel closer in the way it drives similar to a 80s 911. My BIL is planing to buy a 356 replica that is built on a modern chassis with better suspension and Subaru motor because he now understands the appeal over buying a newer Porsche.
A modified 2 won't ever be as good as a boxster or a Cayman or an elise imho.
I think my 2 is more fun than a Cayman may even be quicker in a straight line but can't corner as fast or brake anywhere near as well.
I watched a 987 Cayman and a 981 boxster both S models disappear into the distance on a bumpy cumbrian road. I would of bounced into a dry stone wall had I tried to keep up. The only upgrade I could try to even the odds would be KW coilovers as I already have MeisterR.
On the same trip further up the road we were all completely done by an EK9 Civic TypeR. Massively modified obviously but then the modifications are readily available unlike for our 2s.
A lot is down to the driver being able to put the power down.
On one Scottish run where we were going.. Err... Rapid.. We struggled to keep up with an older lady in a Yaris who had obviously driven those roads since she was 16.
I reckon it's actually massively underestimated what a difference the driver makes.
Quote from: shnazzle on March 20, 2021, 17:11A lot is down to the driver being able to put the power down.
On one Scottish run where we were going.. Err... Rapid.. We struggled to keep up with an older lady in a Yaris who had obviously driven those roads since she was 16.
I reckon it's actually massively underestimated what a difference the driver makes.
I'm not a great driver but Tom and his OAP mate aren't any better.
Obviously local knowledge counts for a lot.
Quote from: shnazzle on March 20, 2021, 17:11A lot is down to the driver being able to put the power down.
On one Scottish run where we were going.. Err... Rapid.. We struggled to keep up with an older lady in a Yaris who had obviously driven those roads since she was 16.
I reckon it's actually massively underestimated what a difference the driver makes.
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Quote from: Petrus on March 20, 2021, 17:28Quote from: shnazzle on March 20, 2021, 17:11A lot is down to the driver being able to put the power down.
On one Scottish run where we were going.. Err... Rapid.. We struggled to keep up with an older lady in a Yaris who had obviously driven those roads since she was 16.
I reckon it's actually massively underestimated what a difference the driver makes.
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Not safely.
We won't agree me and you.
Porsche and Lotus build some of the best sports cars of all time and have done it consistently.
Quote from: 1979scotte on March 20, 2021, 17:38Not safely.
Again, it depends.
QuotePorsche and Lotus build some of the best sports cars of all time and have done it consistently.
Have you actually réad what I wrote about the Boxster? Maybe do it again.
Quote from: Petrus on March 20, 2021, 17:49Quote from: 1979scotte on March 20, 2021, 17:38Not safely.
Again, it depends.
QuotePorsche and Lotus build some of the best sports cars of all time and have done it consistently.
Have you actually réad what I wrote about the Boxster? Maybe do it again.
Yes.
I read every post on this board.
Doesn't mean I remember them all.
Especially when England are loosing in the rugby.
However I don't think I've typed anything I shouldn't have.
Quote from: 1979scotte on March 20, 2021, 16:44Quote from: Dev on March 20, 2021, 15:00Quote from: pistol pete on March 20, 2021, 06:10Yes completely agree.. the mr2 is all the sports car you'll ever need.
The Porsche is sooo competent that the cars boundaries are so much higher.. just my view they can't really be compared.. two similar cars used for different reasons in completely different price bracketd
They are entirely two different cars. My BIL had a Boxster S for years which I drove often and had with me for a time. It is a nice car, refined and capable but it rode more or less like a front end GT car than a lightweight roadster. As scotte mentioned the gearing was too long. My BIL loved it for this reason that it was more or less inline with road comfort in mind. In a race the Boxster would be king but you wouldn't feel it was and that is the best way to describe it.
The Roadster follows more or less the same ethos as the MX-5 Miata and Lotus Elise which is light weight and in the raw. You cant get that at any price if you keep developing a car which is trying to appeal to a more upscale opulent segment, there will be compromises.
I remember my BIL telling me a story of a co worker that bought a lotus and how he had the better car, I had to break it to him that it wasn't at least for what the Elise driver wanted over the Boxster.
If you want to get into potentials the Boxster comes fully capable especially since it has a dry sump. When you modify one of our cars that distance narrows quickly because the potentials were greatly offset. I would like to think that our cars were dumbed down from the factory and what you do to it has exponential returns especially at its price point even with simple things like changing the tires.
The MR-S and MX-5 actually feel closer in the way it drives similar to a 80s 911. My BIL is planing to buy a 356 replica that is built on a modern chassis with better suspension and Subaru motor because he now understands the appeal over buying a newer Porsche.
A modified 2 won't ever be as good as a boxster or a Cayman or an elise imho.
I think my 2 is more fun than a Cayman may even be quicker in a straight line but can't corner as fast or brake anywhere near as well.
I watched a 987 Cayman and a 981 boxster both S models disappear into the distance on a bumpy cumbrian road. I would of bounced into a dry stone wall had I tried to keep up. The only upgrade I could try to even the odds would be KW coilovers as I already have MeisterR.
On the same trip further up the road we were all completely done by an EK9 Civic TypeR. Massively modified obviously but then the modifications are readily available unlike for our 2s.
It all depends on how deep the wallets are. If we want to compare metrics there has been a few tests where a modified MR-S outshined a stock Elise. But then again a modified Elise will probably outshine a modified MR-S.
It depends on the kind of race and class but when the modified MR-S is put in front of cars that are far more capable it was able to hold its own which is remarkable.
There is an owner with a K swapped car with modified KW suspension that did really well at a pikes peak tournament that it was considered a fluke. I have seen several modified MR cars easily pass Boxsters on related videos but that could also be due to the drivers skills as they were also passing much larger cars.
The stock car is far more dumbed down compared to cars that are not in its class and that is where the magic starts to happen. With larger cars the diminishing returns are higher but then again they have access to more variety and higher end parts budgets permitting.
Then there is no escaping the kind of road where the MR-S shines. There are some mountains tight twisty roads that only light weight cars like the MR-S and Elise dominate.
I do not know about the new Boxters as I am sure they are better but the one I dove didn't stop any quicker perceptibly than the MR-S but what I did notice is the brake modulation for the Spyder was better even though the S version has the large Brembo calipers.
Quote from: Dev on March 20, 2021, 18:14I have seen several modified MR cars easily pass Boxsters on related videos but that could also be due to the drivers skills as they were also passing much larger cars.
A lighter, moderately powered, yet quick enough car is less scary to wring out than a high end performance one with more weight/power/everything.
See the very simple 912 vs 911 comparison.
QuoteThen there is no escaping the kind of road where the MR-S shines. There are some mountains tight twisty roads that only light weight cars like the MR-S and Elise dominate.
and I am in no doubt whatsoever that an S1 Elise will be quicker than mine.
Quote from: Petrus on March 20, 2021, 18:25Quote from: Dev on March 20, 2021, 18:14I have seen several modified MR cars easily pass Boxsters on related videos but that could also be due to the drivers skills as they were also passing much larger cars.
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A lighter, moderately powered, yet quick enough car is less scary to wring out than a high end performance one with more weight/power/everything.
See the very simple 912 vs 911 comparison.
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Then there is no escaping the kind of road where the MR-S shines. There are some mountains tight twisty roads that only light weight cars like the MR-S and Elise dominate.
and I am in no doubt whatsoever that an S1 Elise will be quicker than mine.
Yours sure but someone else's well that is not always the case.
To put some clocked perspective behind it:
In ´Touge Battle´ the 718 beat the 911S, Tsuchiya's AE86 was quicker than the 718 and the Spirit MR-S quicker still.
Quote from: Petrus on March 20, 2021, 17:28Quote from: shnazzle on March 20, 2021, 17:11A lot is down to the driver being able to put the power down.
On one Scottish run where we were going.. Err... Rapid.. We struggled to keep up with an older lady in a Yaris who had obviously driven those roads since she was 16.
I reckon it's actually massively underestimated what a difference the driver makes.
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Got to Love those Swedish Bricks 8)
Quote from: MRSwede on March 21, 2021, 16:50Quote from: Petrus on March 20, 2021, 17:28Quote from: shnazzle on March 20, 2021, 17:11A lot is down to the driver being able to put the power down.
On one Scottish run where we were going.. Err... Rapid.. We struggled to keep up with an older lady in a Yaris who had obviously driven those roads since she was 16.
I reckon it's actually massively underestimated what a difference the driver makes.
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Got to Love those Swedish Bricks 8)
Strangely the estate version did better than the saloon around the track.
Quote from: Joesson on March 21, 2021, 16:57Strangely the estate version did better than the saloon around the track.
That was marketing dear Joesson; it made much, MUCH more impact that way.
Good handling of the machine largely ensures the safety of movement on it. Therefore, if something bothers you in the operation of the car, it is better to contact the repair shop for a professional inspection and diagnosis, as you did. For me, the most important components are shock absorbers, steering tips and rods, and stabilizers. These are the things that I do not spare money for because they provide good handling and control of the car. Last time I even had to take out a mortgage from Mortgage Broker Sunderland (https://sunderlandmoneyman.com/) because I had an accident due to poor handling of the car. I needed to change almost half of the parts in the car.
Quote from: DantSaperon on January 9, 2023, 12:51For me, the most important components are shock absorbers, steering tips and rods, and stabilizers. These are the things that I do not spare money for because they provide good handling and control of the car.
And you're a wise man to do so.