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The Workshop => Maintenance, Problems & Troubleshooting => Topic started by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 15:15

Title: Bubbled Alloys
Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 15:15
Has anyone has their Stock Alloys go all bubbled with corrosion?

I had a new set of alloys under warranty but the new set have gone as well, with the car out of warranty and the new alloys over a year old Toyota have politely told me to go **** myself.

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Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 15:18
Its very common I think, I've had a set replaced and the new set seem to be holding up well, touch wood.

You could always get the resurfaced and not have the problem again,
Title: Bubbled Alloys - Common Problem
Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 15:31
Yeah, people in the dealership seemed to think (*Off the record of course*) that it's a VERY common problem. I just think it's tight that I should pay to correct what is quite clearly a manufacturing fault...

It's also tight that Alloys only come with a 1 Year manufacturers waranty. My Toaster had a longer warranty than that!

Cheers
Al
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Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 15:34
ye, when i bought my 01' from mr T last year, the alloys were knackered, so they acid stripped them and re painted them,  came up nice too, but noticed last week that they're on their way out again, not so much bubbling this time, as mild flaking
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Post by: roger on May 4, 2005, 15:36
Welcome Alex, its funny how many we see for the first time is when they have a tale of woe.   s:cry: :cry: s:cry:  

Yes, if you use the search button you will find lots about them.

Normally there is nothing you can do with MrT now without them being extremely nice. Replacements under warranty take on the existing warranty time scale.

However, a thought for you. If this is the second set that have gone the same way, why not have a try to see if you can get them under the Sale of Goods Act in supplying you with goods they know to be defective or not up to suitable standard. They accepted liability on the first set, so the second must be of faulty manufacture if the same problem occurs again.   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  

This could well apply to hundreds of others....you could be a champion of the cause   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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Post by: Bongo on May 4, 2005, 15:36
I didn't think that alloys replaced under warranty had the 1 year parts warranty.

Does anyone know if this is the case? Mine were replaced less than a year ago (original warranty on the car has since expired) and are bubbling again, can I get them changed for free?
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Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 15:40
Quote from: BongoI didn't think that alloys replaced under warranty had the 1 year parts warranty.

Does anyone know if this is the case? Mine were replaced less than a year ago (original warranty on the car has since expired) and are bubbling again, can I get them changed for free?

When I spoke to the guy at Customer Relations he suggested that if they were less than a year old I would have had much more of a case. I suggest you call them and see...
Title: More tales of Woe
Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 15:50
Although I think they are out of order on this one I have squeezed quite a lot out of the big T under warranty:

1 x full set of Alloys (the ones under discussion)
2 x New Roofs (First replacement due to incorrect folding and the second due to the first replacement's glass smashing in under a month of replacement when folding the hood)
1 x Full Set of Brake Pads / Discs (discs warped)
1 x Sony Stereo (Knackered Volume Knob)
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Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 16:11
I can beat that

1 Full set of alloys
1 Set of suspension inserts
1 Set of top mounts
2 Sets of Brake discs
2 Sets of Pads
1 CD Player
1 Roof (actually, i told them to fix it instead of replace)
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Post by: mrsmr2 on May 4, 2005, 16:15
Extremely common.  My fronts are going quickly now (car is exactly one year old), and one of the rears has started to bubble.

Annoyingly, one rear is fine.  I'll wait for all four to be bad before changing them.

My dealer was quite happy to change them at any sign of bubbling.  

My dealer also told me it is a common problem and happens with Celicas and Corollas (I think) - certainly two other Toyota models.

If you can't get them done by the dealer, I would think about refurbishing them.  I'll probably be doing that once mine are out of warranty

Jason
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Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 17:07
My 03, 2 years old in June are going and assume they are covered by the 3 year warranty, correct? If so I am going to let them go another winter and then claim before June. Is this possible?
Title: Under Warranty
Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 17:34
My understanding of it is they pretty much have a "no quibble" policy when it comes to Bubbled Alloys that are under warranty. The first time it happened they didn't even bother looking at them before booking it in and ordering me a new set.

I've also been told they will not replace 1 alloy at a time, it's all or nothing. So if you have 1 or 2 that have gone you don't need to wait until the others go before taking it in!
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Post by: mrsmr2 on May 4, 2005, 17:37
My dealer said they would only replace the ones that were going.  They also recommended replacing all four at once as the new ones could be a slightly different colour to the old ones - due to discolouration.

Jason
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Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 17:47
Any ideas why this is happening, we have a 1997 BMW with 150K on the clock and the alloys look better than my 2
Is it the paint ? No salt in Japan? Lots of spare wheels to get rid of?
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Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 17:51
Something to do with the laquer process which was apparently cleared a year or two ago.
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Post by: Anonymous on May 4, 2005, 19:23
Quote from: mrsmr2My dealer said they would only replace the ones that were going.  They also recommended replacing all four at once as the new ones could be a slightly different colour to the old ones - due to discolouration.

Jason

Take it to Farmer & Carlisle in Loughborough, that's where I got my four from...
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Post by: kanujunkie on May 4, 2005, 20:24
getting my second set of  replacement alloys this week, bit ironic seeing as the front tyres are the origionals and will have been put on 3 different sets of alloys  s:? :? s:?  i've only done 30k!
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Post by: heathstimpson on May 4, 2005, 21:04
Have been waiting for my second replacement set for six weeks now; major back order delay thanks to the number of current warrenty claims. I have been told that they have now sorted the issues with the finish; I believe it when I see it   s:? :? s:?
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Post by: kanujunkie on May 4, 2005, 21:11
Heath,

go get em mate, mine took 3 weeks from ordering to delivery, so they're telling porkies me thinks  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: heathstimpson on May 4, 2005, 21:13
Quote from: "kanujunkie"Heath,

go get em mate, mine took 3 weeks from ordering to delivery, so they're telling porkies me thinks  s:? :? s:?
They have cancelled the booked in fitting dates twice now  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:
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Post by: kanujunkie on May 4, 2005, 21:20
Quote from: "heathstimpson"
Quote from: "kanujunkie"Heath,

go get em mate, mine took 3 weeks from ordering to delivery, so they're telling porkies me thinks  s:? :? s:?
They have cancelled the booked in fitting dates twice now  s:shock: :shock: s:shock:

i'd be going to see someone else and see if they can get them quicker
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Post by: StephenBennett on May 5, 2005, 11:24
Had mine replaced yesterday; looks very nice - for a while anyhow!

Regards

Stephen
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Post by: Anonymous on May 5, 2005, 11:48
Is it just me but are the alloys sadly in need of some quality laquer on them ?

Do toyota put a laquer on them at all ?
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Post by: Anonymous on May 5, 2005, 14:38
just a thought, but would my wheels be covered in a toyota used car warranty?? They were acid stripped and repainted by toyota when i bought the car, and are now flaking
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Post by: Anonymous on May 5, 2005, 19:32
Does anyone know why the finish on the alloys bubbles. Is it the actual metal that causes this or is it just a poor quality painting / laquer process. Ones that have been back seem invariably to eventually bubble again. If you got them refinished elsewhere as Slacey did a while back, is it it still likely that they would go again or is this likely to cure them due to a better quality finish.

Many questions but it would be interesting to see what people think  s:) :) s:)
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Post by: Anonymous on May 5, 2005, 20:39
i've had my car since jan from toyota.

now my wheels are flaking and the volume knob on the stereo has broken. How can i get these mended under warranty?????
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Post by: Anonymous on May 5, 2005, 20:42
I think your car is out of warranty, unless you've got the date wrong in your sig...
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Post by: heathstimpson on May 5, 2005, 21:56
Mine always seem to go in the middle of winter probably due to the weather and salt combo. through summer no issues what so ever. As far as I know the finish that Sean had done from KN wheels lasts ok so it must be Toyota's finish  s:? :? s:?
Title: Attention Important Info for anyone with Bubbled Alloys
Post by: Anonymous on May 13, 2005, 09:24
Hi,

This is just a quick note to say "Never Give Up"...

I have a Shiny new set of Toyota Alloys on my 2, courtesy of those lovely (ahem...) people at Toyota.

Just to recap. My car is 4 years old, so it's out of warranty.

I had them replaced under warranty 2 years ago, replacement parts are only guarenteed for one year.

Despite all this the replaced them for free. I suggets you all phone Customer Relations at Toyota GB and get yuorself a new set like mine.

Cheers
Al the Victorious
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Post by: heathstimpson on May 14, 2005, 21:48
Had a message left from the dealership saying they are still not in stock; nearly two months now  s:? :? s:?
Title: Get More "Assertive"
Post by: Anonymous on May 15, 2005, 19:29
They agreed to fit the new set last Thursday, I called the Dealership on Monday, booked it in for the Thursday and the replacement Alloys arrived and were fitted that day.

My next project is a new set of Front Discs, they've corroded also and have already been replaced under warranty...

Has anyone sourced a set of discs that don't corrode?
Title: Re: Get More "Assertive"
Post by: heathstimpson on May 18, 2005, 08:06
Quote from: "alexwoodall"My next project is a new set of Front Discs, they've corroded also and have already been replaced under warranty...
They won't replace my corroded discs  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: Bongo on May 18, 2005, 13:52
I went to the dealer today (Inchcape Burton).

They inspected the Alloys and agreed all 4 were bubbling (or pitting as they call it) and checked their computer to see that they had been replaced just under a year ago (a week under to be exact).

They then rang MrT who authorised the work to be done.

Another new set of alloys for me   s8) 8) s8)
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Post by: Bongo on May 24, 2005, 22:59
Fitted today, so my dealer had no problems getting them either  s:) :) s:)
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Post by: heathstimpson on May 25, 2005, 05:43
Had a phone call late yesterday to say mine were in at last; it's only been a two month wait  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: roger on May 31, 2005, 21:47
Gave the car a good clean and polish last weekend for its first birthday present (not that I haven't in the intervening period   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:  )

and noticed just the slightest "rust under the lacquer" marks on one spoke on each of the rear wheels.

Looks like I 've joined the club.   s:roll: :roll: s:roll:  

I must admit probably a bit early to go the Warranty route, but I'll keep a check on it and if nothing else report it at the next service - 12 months away.
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Post by: hornseye on June 1, 2005, 07:43
Perhaps the wheel quality is getting worse?

My last ('51) MR2 15" alloys started corroding/bubbling at about 40K mile mark - The car was used every day, washed every weekend and wheels cleaned with MC2/Virisol.

My new November '04 car, gararged all winter, only taken out in the dry and has covered 2,500 miles already has the first signs of bubbling. Just noticed it last w/e while I was waxing my wheels...  s:( :( s:(  

All credit to Mr T on my first '2 they exchanged the wheel under warranty. However I did cite [owned an IS200 from next door lexus dealer] wheel corrosion seems to prevalent on some types of Toyota alloy wheel. Looks like I'll be back again....
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Post by: Hope4Sun on June 1, 2005, 15:44
I think the time to choose those new wheels (discussed a while ago) for mine may be soon!!!, The car is only 5 months old and not even covered 2000 miles and the wheels have started going.

Just out of interest when i had my red roadster, it went through 3 new Wolfrace alloys in a year due to flaking, maybe there is a heat problem or the standard brake pad dust is bad news for alloys  s:( :( s:(

Andy
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Post by: heathstimpson on June 2, 2005, 12:07
Just had my replacement set fitted and I'm sure the coating looks different on these.
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Post by: Anonymous on June 7, 2005, 14:55
Mine are also starting to bubble, but mine are second hand but I still am under my warranty.

Will they change mine? Who would I ring? The dealer I bought from? Or is there a number for the warranty I call.

  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
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Post by: kanujunkie on June 7, 2005, 15:11
Quote from: "Moreno"Mine are also starting to bubble, but mine are second hand but I still am under my warranty.

Will they change mine? Who would I ring? The dealer I bought from? Or is there a number for the warranty I call.

  s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

if they are the stock type alloys, then just go into your Mr.T dealer and ask them to change them, but i wouldn't be mentioning that they are second hand alloys  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on June 7, 2005, 15:35
No they are not second hand alloys, its a second hand car. But they gave me warranty when I bought it. Can you go to any Mr T or the one you bought it from?
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Post by: heathstimpson on June 7, 2005, 15:38
Quote from: "Moreno"No they are not second hand alloys, its a second hand car. But they gave me warranty when I bought it. Can you go to any Mr T or the one you bought it from?
Is the car under three years old  s:?: :?: s:?:  If so go to any dealer. If its a warrenty for an older car you'll have to look to see who endorses it  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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Post by: Anonymous on June 7, 2005, 15:43
Ok, I will have a look.

Thanks guys
Title: Reason for alloys to bubble
Post by: Anonymous on June 9, 2005, 21:11
I beleive, but I might be wrong, the reason for the alloys problem is the fact that when you are breaking, VERY HOT particles from the break pads and maybe the discs are hiting the alloys. Therefore the laquer that Toyota puts on their alloys is removed from these tiny areas, which causes the corrosion. If you notice more bubbles on the alloys are closer to the calipers because they are getting hit by these particles more. The only way to stop this from happening is to put a guard between the breaking system and the alloy. I believe you can buy this from Halfords...but I haven't checked this myself. The downside by putting these guards is less ventilation. So we all have to choose what we want. I got my alloys replaced like 3 weeks ago. Toyota agreed to replace them straight away. My car is one year old.
Title: Re: Reason for alloys to bubble
Post by: heathstimpson on June 10, 2005, 20:56
Quote from: "michalis"I beleive, but I might be wrong, the reason for the alloys problem is the fact that when you are breaking, VERY HOT particles from the break pads and maybe the discs are hiting the alloys. Therefore the laquer that Toyota puts on their alloys is removed from these tiny areas, which causes the corrosion. If you notice more bubbles on the alloys are closer to the calipers because they are getting hit by these particles more. The only way to stop this from happening is to put a guard between the breaking system and the alloy. I believe you can buy this from Halfords...but I haven't checked this myself. The downside by putting these guards is less ventilation. So we all have to choose what we want. I got my alloys replaced like 3 weeks ago. Toyota agreed to replace them straight away. My car is one year old.
Yes but you would have thought that Toyota would use a better coating as some on here have had the wheels redone in other etsablishments and suffered no problems since.
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Post by: Anonymous on June 10, 2005, 21:18
I'm getting my first warranty replacement set fitted by my dealer in the morning after a 2 month wait... I will now be watching these very carefully to see when they start to go. I am expecting that they will go the same way...
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Post by: Anonymous on June 11, 2005, 19:50
Right, got the new alloys fitted today. They look great. I asked what warranty these have and the dealer said 1 year... however, he said if I remain having my servicing done by them and I look after this set without kerbing them, Toyota will be quite 'lenient' if they bubble after a year...
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Post by: Liz on June 11, 2005, 22:50
My second set are bubbling at the fronts, keep a beady eye on them!
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Post by: heathstimpson on June 12, 2005, 20:24
On closer inspection of my new set that were fitted a couple of weeks ago I've noticed that they have scratched the top edges of the alloys as they put the tyres on. Is it worth taking back to moan or is it quite normal to get some damage occur when putting the tyres back on  s:?: :?: s:?:  This is the top edge not the front face  s:? :? s:?
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Post by: Anonymous on June 12, 2005, 22:34
Mine had some lube marks [the 'soap' stuff] to ease the tyre fitting, but that cleaned off with a cloth - there are no marks or scratches on the top of the rims at all - suppose it depends how careful they were. Trouble is now, they could say you have kerbed them since?!!
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Post by: heathstimpson on June 12, 2005, 23:15
Quote from: "STEVE-O"Mine had some lube marks [the 'soap' stuff] to ease the tyre fitting, but that cleaned off with a cloth - there are no marks or scratches on the top of the rims at all - suppose it depends how careful they were. Trouble is now, they could say you have kerbed them since?!!
The scrapes/scratches are only on the top edge not on the outer face so could only be done by the machine.
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Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2005, 09:03
Is there nothing you can do about it? Say as soon as they put the new pair on, could you not spray them with something? Their must be something that would protect them?!!!
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Post by: Anonymous on June 13, 2005, 17:53
Just spoken to Toyota who have confirmed that under 2nd hand warranty the alloys are not covered. One of the guys here at work has suggested getting them reprimered for about £35 an alloy.