Hi chaps!
I'm a bit scared cause today I've checked the oil level and it's at the minimum. It has been 10000 km since last change (I know it's too much time s:( :( s:( ). Do you think this oil consumption is normal taking in account it's a 2000 model and it has 40000 Km? Or is the precats ghost appearing?
I'm waiting for a TRD header and so haven't gutted precats...
Thank you!
P.S: Next week I'm taking the car to the dealer. Meanwhile I'll take other car.
UPDATE: Mr. T has checked up all engine and everything is OK. It seems that with a Syntethic oil is a totally normal consumption.
40K is about right for precats to go on that age motor.
me, I'd worry.
Yes give them an inspection asap to put your mind at ease s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Hi again!
Checked the precats, and not very well, as I supposed... s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I took some pics of left precat, right one couldn't be focused, but I imagine it may be similar.
Gutting tomorrow.
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Get 'em out. That one is looking a bit flakey to me.
it looks like mine just before i put my trd header. and i did have a bit of oil consumption. (did, because my engine is not doing well at all now, it's on 3 cylinders, see story on spyderchat if you want).
Please excuse my ignorance but I have possible engine trouble at 40K and wondered what precat is - my car is currently with Toyota as we speak!
long answer is search, as there is an enormous amount of info on here about pre-cats.
the short answer is that they are catalytic converters (2 of them) that sit in your manifold ahead of teh main cat (hence teh name pre-cat) and their job is to ensure good emissions before teh engine (and main cat) are up to temp.
they are ceramic and have a habit of destroying engines when they break up.
Thanks - guy in the garage says the only way he can tell what the problem is, is pull the old one apart - is this correct? They are quoting me £2k for a whole new exhaust!!
if he means pull teh iold exhaust apart then yes.
Thanks for your help - looks like I have no choice - the power of the car is just getting worse and worse can now only do 60mph!!!
Quote from: "louisecwells"Thanks for your help - looks like I have no choice - the power of the car is just getting worse and worse can now only do 60mph!!!
Should probably try and keep this all in one thread, but.. just as a pointer in case you haven't seen the discussion in your thread:
m http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic. ... 9776#99776 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=99776#99776) m
Thanks, will do
Quote from: "louisecwells"They are quoting me £2k for a whole new exhaust!!
I dunno about full exhaust and cat, but that sounds a tad steeper than the 400quid for just the last exhaust box and twin pipes.
I know the cat material is rare and expensive stuff, but that still sounds like quite a lot to me.
manifold is £600 plus and thats dealer trade price.
so if they are quoting for that, main cat will be circa £300, backbox circa £300, add dealer markup and labour, and that price could easily be reached.
it coudl be done for half that though.
so,
I reckon JapGT300 could probably sort you out with a replacement main cat for £100 ish,
back box should be fine to use teh existing one, though if you really want TTE I know someone who will be selling his soon.
manifold doesn't need replacing so just gut the pre-cats and reuse.
so far it's only cost £100
add on a couple of hundred for someone to do teh work, and your only looking at £400 top wack.
now how long your engine lasts after that is anyones guess, but it's chances are the same wether you spend teh £400 ish my way or give teh dealer 2 grand.
guess which I'd do :-) :-) :-)
whereabouts are you located?
I can sort some really good prices on engines, manifolds and cats.
Engine ~ £600
Manifold ~ £200
Cat ~ £100
Exhaust ~ £20
I can have them delivered all over the country. I wouldn't trust Toyota to look at the car. They gave me one back with knackered bearings and insisted that it was 100% good s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
They'll just serve you with a bill of more than your car is worth!
An independent garage should be able to do the work you require with much less expense.
Adam
Adam,
Thanks very much for the info. Unfortunately last night I agreed to let Toyota do the exhaust (they are goign to dismantle it and advise) but I will definitely contact you again once I have their diagnosis!!
You guys are being a great help - thanks
Louise
such a good price on an engine... i might be interested as mine is consuming more and more oil... and i guess you dont ship to continental europe. can i pick one up? s:) :) s:)
Nicolas
Adam, do you ship to continental europe?
I took my 52 plate '2 to toyota for its first mot check and took along a copy of this post. They said that they have never heard of such failures. I showed him the pics and said would you mind checking them for me. Cost one hours labour. I will let you's know what the outcome is. He did mention that a few engines have failed on 'loss/lack of oil'. I said is this not related to the precats failing - he said definetly not.
Anyway, I took out the extended two year warranty for £610. He mentioned that the engine is covered but the exhaust is not. Therefore because the pre-cats are classed as part of the exhaust if they fail I have to pay. BUT, he said that engine failure wasnt down to the precats, so hopefully if all goes wrong I am still covered! Does this sound correct??
dealer bullshit
I asked my dealer about the extended warranty and they said that the engine would be covered if the pre-cats failed. They weren't admitting that the pre-cats caused a problem (the usual Toyota dealer response) but they were clear that if the engine failed, it was covered.
Not that I'm so worried these days, the cats have gone.
Jason
Quote from: "ChrisHumes"I took my 52 plate '2 to toyota for its first mot check and took along a copy of this post. They said that they have never heard of such failures. I showed him the pics and said would you mind checking them for me. Cost one hours labour. I will let you's know what the outcome is. He did mention that a few engines have failed on 'loss/lack of oil'. I said is this not related to the precats failing - he said definetly not.
Anyway, I took out the extended two year warranty for £610. He mentioned that the engine is covered but the exhaust is not. Therefore because the pre-cats are classed as part of the exhaust if they fail I have to pay. BUT, he said that engine failure wasnt down to the precats, so hopefully if all goes wrong I am still covered! Does this sound correct??
An hours labour to check precats?! s:shock: :shock: s:shock: try 10 mins s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
I`m becoming a nervous wreck reading all this about pre-cats!
Having been the owner of a 2000 model, 43K, for all of 2 months, and having now mechanical nous at all, I am worried. I am not sure I would know where to look to see if mine were still in situ!
any recommendations of somewhere in lincs / leics / Northants that I can refer to? Also whats the options? removal, buggered engine, or .....?
cheers
Paul
Hi,
I went to Toyota yesterday and one of the precats is totally missing! I've now moved my car to a local garage to get it fixed - does anyone know the make of an after market whole exhaust system?
You dont need a complete system, Just a cat/decat pipe (watch MOT) and remove the precats - make sure there is no bits of the either one left on there
Thanks for the advice I'll let the garage know - they were goingto try and remove all three (precats and main cat) But I am not sure the car will run like that????
Where can I get the bits required, do they have to come from Toyota?
rremove teh precats from your manifold and reuse it. Adam JapGT300 cans upply you with a replacement cat.
You got his number?
I'll PM you
Is PM private mail?
If so I've not got your email can you check that you used 3 'L's - thanks
Quote from: "louisecwells"Is PM private mail?
If so I've not got your email can you check that you used 3 'L's - thanks
It's private message, not mail s8) 8) s8)
You should see "You have no new messages" on the upper area if you don't have any and something else if you do. You should have at least one from Liz, if you haven't read it already! s8) 8) s8)
(or maybe mark just didn't PM you yet)
No messages! ??
Quote from: "Tem"(maybe mark just didn't PM you yet)
Cause he did say he
will PM you...
OK, not to worry I found one from a breaker in Cambs, very cheap I think £120, I am so chuffed that now the work can start to get it back onthe road - yippee
Thanks to everyone for their help and advice.
If there are any more problems, then i'm sure we can talk you through it. Just don't give Toyota any more money, i hate them taking people for a ride!
Adam
ps was it fenland that supplied the CAT?
Has this club tried to pressure Toyota into a statement?
Quote from: "paul&esma"I am not sure I would know where to look to see if mine were still in situ!
Paul, I was in uch the same situation when i first got my 2 in march 2003, but have picked up some knowledge through reading on hear and attending the meets, so believe me when i say that checking the precats
is something that you can do yourself!! s:) :) s:)
You have to remove the 2 02 sensors that poke through the manifold heat shield, which you can also remove to make things easier. You will then be able to see the precats through the holes. You'll need a spark plug/o2 sensor socket (with a slit down the side of it) and about 15mins or so...
Hi Guys,
The Saga continues.
Well the local garage took out the 2 pre cats and replaced the main cat witht he one from Fenland Breakers (who were excellent) BUT now the engine management light is on!!! Anyone got any ideas?
Louise
Something to do with the O2 sensor?? Maybe it got damaged on messing with the pre-cats etc. Or maybe they've forgotten to plug it back in (as it were)? s:? :? s:?
Dunno really... hope it's nothing terminal. s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
Hiya,
I am of the same mind. I am taking it back to Toyota Saturday to have it checked.
Thanks
Hi All,
I have had real trouble with my 2, had it now for 3 months, 2 of those months were amazing what a great car. Then the trouble started.
Firstly the Cat and Pre-cat had gone, got it changed with Toyota before reading these unfortunately so i now have completely new set of both when i could have just got a new cat and gutted the pre-cat.
When i got the car back there was next to no oil left in it and didnt realise until the oil light came on so now the bottom end of the engine has gone and Toyota have qouted me £3310 to get fixed.
Does anyone know where i can get a an engine from and where i can get it fixed in the Hertfordshire area.
Thanks for your help
Hi G Hollis,
I am so sorry to hear you had the same problems as me, it's gutting isn't it.
The guys here said someone called Jap GT300 could help but I dont know how you can contact him.
I got my exhaust by filling int he form on breakers.co.uk and fenland breakers were the actual supplier, they were very good, it may be worth trying this route for your engine if you ahve trouble getting hold of GT300.
I wish you all the best.
If you want to get hold of Adam, its not a problem, just use the PM facility on here to leave him a message.
Hi Liz,
Thanx i tried to PM him a couple of days ago and had no reply from him yet, so was just wondering if anyone else new anything.
Grant
Why don't you try to lay it on Toyota?
Surely if they had cause to replace Cats, they should have checked to see if there was any engine damage, the simplest being whether there was any oil usage.
If they did presumably it was full when it left them, so it has disappeared since changing the cats, so they didn't sort the problem properly and its their baby s:D :D s:D
If they didn't check the oil IMO they are at fault any way, because we all know (even MrT despite what their official line might be) that broken cats mean broken engines.
Certainly worth an argument for £3K s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Hi Roger,
They claim that the engine was burning oil and that is what caused the pre-cat to break up and block the cat.
They said the engine was fine when it left them so damage occured when i was driving it, but they didnt realise that it was burning oil, so from when it left them to two days afterwards it burnt the oil and therefore screwed the engine up.
Not sure if i quite belive it but they will not take responsability for it
Thanx
They are trying it on, and probably beating you with science.
TBH I don't think anybody in the club is absolutely certain, whether broken cats kill the engine, or a broken engine kills the cats. Having said that MrT's stance has always been the engine breaks first, but I don't think (and I stand to be corrected) anybody who has gutted their cats has had an engine blow. Not conclusive, but....
However, surely if they say the cats went because of excessive oil usage shouldn't they have checked why, otherwise you would be back in again in 2 weeks with broken cats again. As it is you are back with a broken engine.
Either way they didn't fix your first problem. They are after all expected to be experts on whom you can rely ( s:shock: :shock: s:shock: yes, legally anyway), so unless you were very specific in your instructions as to what they can or cannot do, I reckon its worth a fight. What I am saying is don't take it lying down, go for it and bring Toyota into it. Even to the small claims court!
Somebody here (a recent post) did that, and Toyota told the garage not to be such prats, and get on with helping the customer.
Yeah i see your point,
They said to me that if i keep driving the car the cats will go again, I am still driving it a present cause i have to have a car and the cats are still there. So you are right on that. Not sure how i will be able to prove it though. They seemed very helpful the first time i went there and now i am changing my mind. Only out for one thing Money.
Hopefully if i can get an engine off Adam i can get it fitted quite cheaply, just want my 2 back healthy