I got a 02 MR2. Can anyone give me a suggestion on which turbo to use. I'm leaning towards the Hass since it includes so much with the kit. There is also the Apexi, Power Enterprise, and the Veilside. Any comments on any of them.
Thanks to everyone that gets back with me
I would go with the TTE Turbo.
Second choice: Hass.
All I will say is do plenty of research first, there is stacks of info here. I have the Hass so am slightly biased, but the PE is a good kit, and the new C2 kit looks great too. TTE? Way to expensive and underpowered IMO, but look up the details as it may well appeal to you.
See also a few threads down at http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7599
and listing of kits (not all available but some stats and pics) at
http://www.angelfire.com/space/mr-s/chargerpage.html
(1 harmless popup)
Ste
IMHO this is a great deal:
m http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7721 (http://www.mr2roc.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7721) m
Link doesn't work for me Tem. Maybe its a Monday thing!
Quote from: "spit"Link doesn't work for me Tem. Maybe its a Monday thing!
It seems to work to me s:? :? s:?
Well, go to the sales area and find a topic called "[FS] Top Secret Turbo kit for Spyder *pics are up*" s8) 8) s8)
after intensive research, I'd say:
TTE is way too expensive for what they provide but there is a warranty that you can count on...
PE is the cheapest reliable / most used
Hass is the big thing since its launch, lots of delay, very difficult to even have an offer...
C2 Power is the newest, they're not too far, lack experience but are learning fast. they don't want to think about SMT for now so it's a no go for me...
My choice is now Hass and I am trying to have their team flown over to Europe for 3 or more installs in France... the kit is not cheap but it seems to be good quality, the right power...
Now, it's difficult not to think about a 2ZZ swap for the same money... very different result...
Hi,
obviously i'm biased to C2power turbo kit, but I finally decided to go with C2 because of the great feedback of Celica C2power turbo owners, something is usually remarked is the great customer support and after sales service, which is very important for me.
I considered Hass for a long time but my doubts were installing and tuning my car (difficult to find someone experienced around here). I thouhgt that the kit C2 wanted to develop would be similar to Hass' and that's why I finally went this route (also the economic factor was very important s:wink: :wink: s:wink: )
Now we're close to ending the kit, all I have to say about C2 are good things. As I had read, geat customer support. Gaspar just want to do is best and he works hard to do it. He also knows to hear customer doubts and requests.
I'm sure it's going to be a great kit...
could you convince him to make a turbo SMT, I would be grateful s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
or... work with Jay Hass as Hass offered on Spyderchat s8) 8) s8)
SMT or manual turbo is the same, there are no major differences in the engine bay.
the only problem is to have an electronic management that fits both.
hass uses an emanage, so no problem.
what's used in the C2 kit ?
same s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
that's what I read on their site
so installing the C2 on a SMT is not a problem.
I would go with either the PE or C2 (depending on the numbers Spynish's kit puts out).
Read my sig, and make of that what you will.
Quote from: "ekona"I would go with either the PE or C2 (depending on the numbers Spynish's kit puts out).
Read my sig, and make of that what you will.
still not recieved the kit then Dan? s:( :( s:(
I'd say the C2 is a little too "handmade" for me yet.
And with the huge number of problems I have on PPE "handmade" stuff, I'm a little affraid :/
Nope. I wish I'd never ordered it now.
Quote from: "ekona"Nope. I wish I'd never ordered it now.
cant you cancel the order?
Quote from: "kanujunkie"Quote from: "ekona"Nope. I wish I'd never ordered it now.
cant you cancel the order?
If I do, I'll lose 50% of the money I've already paid. Since I can't afford to do that, I have no choice but to sit and wait. If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't have ordered the damn thing.
Have you rang Jay and spoken to him direct? It's the best way to get results in my experience.
The misconception just never goes does it regarding the SMT and MT s:? :? s:?
Aslong as the kit doesn't interupt with the gear that is on the SMT then any kit will work. All you need is to get from the manufacturer are dimensions the IC/exhausts and pipes, are away from the location of the gear and that will tell you if it will fit without altering stuff.
I guarantee the PE will fit, the Apexi won't without work and replacement of the IC, Hass make one for the SMT already and C2...we'll have to see.
The PFC wont work on the SMT. The emanage or unichip will, no problems.
Quote from: "Slacey"Have you rang Jay and spoken to him direct? It's the best way to get results in my experience.
Haven't rung him, but have been told that they're just waiting on the water fittings from Garrett now. So close, yet so far.
I know it'll be worth it when it gets here, but even so...
just as well my install uis using up all of the pain quotient then :-) :-) :-)
yours shoudl be a breeze.
Quote from: "markiii"just as well my install uis using up all of the pain quotient then :-) :-) :-)
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Very true!
Quote from: "dreambackup"could you convince him to make a turbo SMT, I would be grateful s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Daz400 has a turboed SMT already s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "ekona"Quote from: "kanujunkie"Quote from: "ekona"Nope. I wish I'd never ordered it now.
cant you cancel the order?
If I do, I'll lose 50% of the money I've already paid. Since I can't afford to do that, I have no choice but to sit and wait. If I knew what I know now, I wouldn't have ordered the damn thing.
Why would you lose 50% of the deposit?
because it's the goal of a deposit
it's a mutual contract
the sellers has to give the product
the buyer has to buy
if either one breaks the contract he loses money : buyer loses half is money if he doesn't want the product anymore and normally if the seller can't send the product for any reason he has to pay a penalty.
in fact it's more to protect the sellers ... because especially internationnally like there, it's very hard for the buyer to claim his money back
we're here in a case where the seller as serious problem and delays... but I guess that nowhere a shipping date was specified.
Quote from: "dieamond"if either one breaks the contract he loses money : buyer loses half is money if he doesn't want the product anymore and normally if the seller can't send the product for any reason he has to pay a penalty.
Well that's the thing, Hass can't send their product. Hass can't even send their product after 20 weeks wait (in Ekona's case), reminding everybody it says 4 weeks on their website. Then they lie to you for a couple of months about how the kit is ready to ship out the door any day now so they don't lose your bussiness.
For this reason I asked ( and seriously want to know as I'm only 19 and still learning), why wouldn't Ekona be able to demand all his money back?
They haven't lived up to anything on their end. If it weren't for us previous customers recieving our products, how much wouldn't this (ekona's order) have looked like Ekona had been had?
20 weeks ?
no joke ?!
No joke. Kit was ordered Feb 2nd.
wow
even worse than HKS :p :p :p
Don't give up hope...mine took 32 weeks s:? :? s:?
but aren't you glad you got it? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
and in a few days/weeks, you'll write everybody should go turbo s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Quote from: "RedRaceR"For this reason I asked ( and seriously want to know as I'm only 19 and still learning), why wouldn't Ekona be able to demand all his money back?
I think he should get his money back, if he wants to.
I understand why some places require a deposit for rare hard to get items that might not sell if the buyer backs out. But that's not the case with Hass, is it? Apparently they have a line of buyers already, so wouldn't it be a good thing for them if one buyer wants to back out and everyone else moves up in the line? s8) 8) s8)
I'd buy back your deposit, if you want s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
if you think about it, PM me s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Let me think about it... Nah. I've waited this long, I'll be damned if I'm going to give up now! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
yeah stick with it Dan, think how long it would take to resource a new kit from someone
Quote from: "kanujunkie"yeah stick with it Dan, think how long it would take to resource a new kit from someone
By the look of how quick Gaspar at C2 works, about three days? s;) ;) s;)
I would wait for C2 turbo to come out, and see if the parts will fit my SMT. Incidentally Ian, will you be able to judge the SMT compadability if you should see the C2 turbo for yourself?
I have nothing against the Hass kit, it is excellent but if i was considering going turbo i would atleast wait for the end of the C2 development and compare prices, and now Jay knows he's got competition for lets face it exactly the same kit (same turbo,ecu etc) he's got to improve his delivery or he's going to loose out alot.
Quote from: "simontan75"I would wait for C2 turbo to come out, and see if the parts will fit my SMT. Incidentally Ian, will you be able to judge the SMT compadability if you should see the C2 turbo for yourself?
When it's done if Spynish gets the measurements around the gearbox, we should be able to see if it will clear. Fingers crossed eh? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Maybe can pay on credit card then use their method for recovering the money for undelivered goods after x time.
Phil
I think the option of secured payment was discussed on the Jared's long SC thread a while ago Phil. I lost track of the outcome, but I know that some had already passed the ?3-month period in which to register concern.
I'm a real fan of what Jay Hass has developed, and all credit to him for that. His knowledge, dedication & enthusiasm to progressing the technical side is clear. But I've been put off from taking this route because of the customer service shortcomings (I'm not apportioning blame here, just stating that I don't want to be on the receiving end of the supply chain problems, whatever they may be).
This is a crying shame, and must be so frustrating for those with deposits down. I understand the adage that you can't rush a good thing, but realistically 6 months+ is an awfully big chunk of your '2s remaining serviceable life expectancy to be without a modification that you opt for.
it does seem a shame that the hass kit is suffering from delivery hold ups, as it effectively rules them out of the race, well for me at least..
I for one will be hoping that the c2 kit doesn't fit the smt, otherwise it will be virtually impossible to ignore the upgrade s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Chris"I for one will be hoping that the c2 kit doesn't fit the smt, otherwise it will be virtually impossible to ignore the upgrade s:roll: :roll: s:roll: s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
I am 99% sure it does fit the SMT but if you could link me to an engine bay pic of an smt then I can clear that 1%.
Dilema now, whats the latest on Hass timescales any leads ?
Phil
I wish C2power could explain a bit more what their kit(s) are.
keep in mind that the Hass stage II is $3.995 (roughly the same amount of Euros after taxes and shipping to Europe). it compares more or less with the C2 setup.
the BIG difference is experience. C2 being the challenger here, I thought they would try to compete a bit more on price: they are not really less expensive (bigger injectors, 200€, is a MUST so a stage II kit is €3.690) and there is a big question mark on reliability (I'm not saying IT IS NOT, I'm just saying we DO NOT KNOW).
Quote from: "dreambackup"I wish C2power could explain a bit more what their kit(s) are.
It'll be interesting to see if Gas can provide a little more detail on the kit inventory on top of what is on the C2 site. The Hass kit is shipping (or not s:!: :!: s:!: ) in a more "turnkey" fashion, with the inclusion of small but welcome details like boost gauge, oil filter, colder plugs, coated IC pipes and thermal wrap.
Shipping aside, spec-4-spec on the road costs will probably be very similar (anyone know what US-Europe shipping is for the Hass?), and maybe thats too big a gamble to side with the C2 kit when we have no track record for its quality and reliability in the '2.
....on the other hand - as i've said above - Hass delivery time is a big chunk of your car's remaining lifetime to be waiting for a chosen mod. But it would be a shame if the supply issue becomes the primary reason for our choice. Lets hope Gas can give us some assurances and a bit more detail on specifications.
I am working on the detailed list as you wish until then here is a short from my mind:
Garrett GT28R dual ball bearing watercooled turbo and gaskets at 6 psi
Oil and water lines with fittings and gaskets
Stainless steel manifold (40mm)
polished Stainless steel MR2 CAI pipe with Apexi air filter located behind the tail light (70mm)
polished Stainless steel Turbo to Intercooler pipe (60mm)
polished Stainless steel Intercooler to Throttlebody pipe (60-70mm)
Medium sized Intercooler positioned 45 degree in the buttom of the car with an air splitter to pick up air from under the car (62x30x5mm)
(Pretuned)Greddy e-manage piggyback ECU with injector harness, keep in mind that you will always need to finetune it to your condition/enviroment
downpipe with 3 bungs (2 factory and 1 for wideband), with a flexi section
C2Power 3" dual pipe exhaust with 90mm tips and a high flow catalysator
Sard blow off valve, hoses and clamps
Injectors from the GTS celica
Let me know what else do you want to know and I can more deatil it s:) :) s:)
Gas
out of interest Gaspar, whats the damage/price?
I quite like the idea of a staged boost controller.
Quote from: "kanujunkie"out of interest Gaspar, whats the damage/price?
st2 intercooled is 3490$ out of the EU and 3490eu in the EU. Reason of the difference is simple= tax. st1 non intercooled is 2490$ or EU as the other.
3,490.00 EUR = 2,408.89 GBP at todays prices
Descent price as well, hhhhhmmmmm only 2000miles to Budapest, nice day for a drive??? s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
shame the mrs wont let me s:( :( s:(
Quote from: "kanujunkie"3,490.00 EUR = 2,408.89 GBP at todays prices
Descent price as well, hhhhhmmmmm only 2000miles to Budapest, nice day for a drive??? s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
shame the mrs wont let me s:( :( s:(
We offered for the celica owners local install for 1000eu plus travel and acomodation for 2 days. I just got home from a work trip where we took care of our st3 gts celica in Stuttgart, a st2 gt celica in Rotterdam and a st1 GTS celica in Wurtzburg. So we can do it there as well. BUt if you come over I am sure we could give you a great deal s;) ;) s;) (I dont have to drive again lol)
We started this kind a service after Bubba from London was ripped of with a 3000GBP celica gt st1 install. He is the one with the magazine coverege (makes us proud):
http://www.c2power.com/blown_away_article_in_japanese_performance
Quote from: "kanujunkie"2,408.89 GBP at todays prices
At last month's low (June) it was £100 less than that, so its worth watchin' those rates s:!: :!: s:!:
...but don't forget another 200 Euro for larger injectors (as opposed the the earlier 100 Euro deal that was being offered)
Ste
Hi C2gas
"So we can do it there as well. BUt if you come over I am sure we could give you a great deal (I dont have to drive again lol)"
Would you care to PM me a price if i came with the car for a few days ?
thanks,
Phil
Quote from: "philster_d"Hi C2gas
"So we can do it there as well. BUt if you come over I am sure we could give you a great deal (I dont have to drive again lol)"
Would you care to PM me a price if i came with the car for a few days ?
thanks,
Phil
Answered sir s;) ;) s;)
I hope you will like it
Bubba is a good friend of mine and has nothing but good words to say about Gas following all the help he gave him after JP motorsport screwed him over (supra tuners around milton keynes)
Quote from: "perry190"Bubba is a good friend of mine and has nothing but good words to say about Gas following all the help he gave him after JP motorsport screwed him over (supra tuners around milton keynes)
Hi Perry,
It is nice to meet you here, I have heard a lot about you from Bubba. I know this is not a personal meet but at least someone I know s;) ;) s;) ...
thx for the feedback also. I am sure a good costumer service does pay back in long terms. s:) :) s:)
Quote from: "c2gas"I am sure a good costumer service does pay back in long terms. s:) :) s:)
and something thats very rare nowadays
god, i sound like an old fart!
Sound like? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Ekona"Sound like? s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
cheers for the reality shock, you'll get yours ya young wipper snapper s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Sometimes Stu, it's just too easy. s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Has anyone got a good idea what the 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile times are likely to be on a '2 running 210 whp?
Also, I know people have asked about insurance qoutes but do you tell them the max power the setup can run or just what parts are fitted i.e. you can run at 270 at the fly but normally run at 220 do you have to pay 270 hp money all the time?
Last question, how do you convince the wife a turbo makes good sense s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
0-60 should be around 5.5secs, with a 1/4mile time of 13.5 - 14secs (all rough guesstimates).
You only have to tell your insurance company what bhp levels you will be running at. If you decide to tell them a lower level to save yourself a bit of money, that's your choice, but be warned: There's no way they will ever be able to tell what boost you were running at. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Buy one and offer to take her for a spin?
Quote from: "proeliator2001"Has anyone got a good idea what the 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile times are likely to be on a '2 running 210 whp?
There's a "rough guide" formula for 0-60 which shouldn't work but very often does! 0-60 time = weight (in kg) / (0.9x flywheel horsepower).
so, if the '2 is 1000kg & 138 HP (stock-ish with midget driver & no fuel!!), you get.... 1000/(0.9x138) = 1000/124.2 = 8.05 secs
do the same for 210HP and you get 5.3 secs. Good guesstimate Eko!
Try it for a few cars you know.....its pretty close.
Quote from: "proeliator2001"Also, I know people have asked about insurance qoutes but do you tell them the max power the setup can run or just what parts are fitted i.e. you can run at 270 at the fly but normally run at 220 do you have to pay 270 hp money all the time?
Eko is generally right but there are exceptions: eg My insurer has agreed to cover
any mods without it affecting my premium (& yep, I've got it in writing!). They're not asking for any info on BHP. Its a mainstream insurer too, so don't give up without having a friendly chat with yours.
Except for the 138bhp is flywheel and the 210 is wheel hp. So the calculation wants to take back the drivetrain loss.
Quote from: "spit"Good guesstimate Eko!
I've played with CarTest a lot. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
What's 'customer service' by the way? Can it be eaten? s:oops: :oops: s:oops: s:oops: :oops: s:oops: I don't think we have such thing in Malaysia. What price tag does it come with?
Quote from: "spit"There's a "rough guide" formula for 0-60 which shouldn't work but very often does! 0-60 time = weight (in kg) / (0.9x flywheel horsepower).
I've always used weight/hp for 0-100kmh, which seems to be more correct than what manufacturers say s8) 8) s8) For example, your formula gives 8.3s for our 2, which is a bit too much, don't you think?
But basically it only works with decent power, when traction isn't the issue during the acceleration...
Check your PM's mr Gas sir.
Philster.
Quote from: "philster_d"Check your PM's mr Gas sir.
Philster.
Answered s;) ;) s;)
Thanks sorry to be a pain. s8) 8) s8)
If anyone cares, I've just recieved confirmation from Jay that all the parts for my kit are now in, and he's currently re-packing it ready to be shipped out.
I'm just waiting on my tracking number now.
About bloody time, too s:shock: :shock: s:shock: s:wink: :wink: s:wink: s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Guess you won't be selling it on now its on its way s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "Ekona"If anyone cares, I've just recieved confirmation from Jay that all the parts for my kit are now in, and he's currently re-packing it ready to be shipped out.
I'm just waiting on my tracking number now.
About bloody time, too
just make sure Jay doesn't forget to re-pack anything... it's been known to happen before if ya know what I mean.
Quote from: "RedRaceR"just make sure Jay doesn't forget to re-pack anything... it's been known to happen before if ya know what I mean.
s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
Indeed. We shall see.
Put it this way: If the box turns up with everything in it, I'll be sure to commend Jay publicly for improving that area of his business. Obviously, if bits are missing, I'll do the opposite... s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Fingers crossed for you s:D :D s:D
It's shipped. Just waiting for a tracking number from Jay now (promised for tomorrow).
Good luck.
Quote from: "Ekona"It's shipped. Just waiting for a tracking number from Jay now (promised for tomorrow).
Wow - that's.. 8 days to unpack it and re-pack it? s;) ;) s;)
Quote from: "First, Slacey"I've got my Hass kit here!
Quote from: "Then Markiii"I've got mine too!
Quote from: "And then there was Tommy D, who"Hey, now mine's here too!
And now I can finally say that mine's here as well! s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D s:D :D s:D
Is it all here? I'm not sure. I've asked Mark if he'll kindly give me a hand checking through it thoroughly (as he knows exactly what he's looking for), and as soon as we know, I'll post up here. For now, and to the best of my limited knowledge, it would appear that the kit is correct.
One little thing though: I asked Jay about 3 times to deliver the kit to my parents address as I'm not in during the day. Can you guess where it turned up today? s:roll: :roll: s:roll: Lucky I was working last night and had today off, or I'd have missed it.
Fingers crossed for you Dan. It must be nice to be at that end of the waiting curve s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Wow a miracle.
Praise be to the gods of Boosthala s:) :) s:)
Great news Dan. s:D :D s:D
I do hope it is all there and in good shape. I remember how excited i was going through my goodies. It really is worth going through the box with a toothcomb though. I found some of my serrated washers under all the chippings. I know some people have said what's a few missing nuts and bolts but believe me getting hold of some of these things over here is not that easy. List and relist is my advice. Do you have any idea when you may be fitting it? I'm picking up my newly coated manifold and piping this weekend. I finally just need to get my new clutch fitted, then I'm ready to go.
I haven't had all the little bits of packaging foam out yet, so there might be some little bits left in there, but there's certainly no brackets etc left in the bottom.
What clutch have you gone for Tommy? I'm sure you must've already mentioned it, but I can't remember now... s:oops: :oops: s:oops:
I went with an ACT originally, but having heard great things about the RPS (ie, not any harder than stock), I also have one of those. Good to have a spare s:wink: :wink: s:wink: I take it you like your RPS
Yup, I'm really happy with my RPS one. You got a lightened flywheel, too?
*UPDATE*
After a brief conflab with Mark on the phone, we've come to the almost-inevitable conclusion that...
I've got bits missing!!!! s:evil: :evil: s:evil: s:evil: :evil: s:evil: s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
The main one is the fact that (exactly like Mark's) Jay has decided that I should only get a single exhaust, and not the dual I ordered! On a different note though, it appears that I have the updated version of the kit (as it was changed after the re-design to allow it to be used on an SMT): My MAF is post-turbo for one. I'm not sure if the manifold is the re-designed one yet, as it's at the bottom of the box: I'll check this over the weekend.
To say I'm suddenly deflated is an understatement.
RPS clutches are the danglies s;) ;) s;) As are their billet flywheels.. Almost too gorgeous to hide inside the bell housing!
Quote from: "Ekona"The main one is the fact that (exactly like Mark's) Jay has decided that I should only get a single exhaust, and not the dual I ordered!
I'm.. I'm lost for words - I really am. (Well, I'm not lost for words, but if I said what I'm thinking, I'd get a slap on the wrists from the mods for sure s;) ;) s;) )
Quote from: "Ekona"I've got bits missing!!!! s:evil: :evil: s:evil: s:evil: :evil: s:evil: s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
To say I'm suddenly deflated is an understatement.
After all the bad publicity and long delay you would have though that they would have packaged yours up correctly s:? :? s:? Sorry to hear it matey.
Quote from: "Ekona"I've got bits missing!!!! s:evil: :evil: s:evil: s:evil: :evil: s:evil: s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
s:? :? s:?
Hope you get it sorted soon enough. Somehow I can't understand how it seems to happen again and again. It's not rocket science, is it...
Oh mate, sorry to hear that there are bits missing, though the exhaust option seems to be a simple one to get right...both you and Mark I can't believe it. Let us know what else you find (or don't find) in that big box. Interested to know if you got the upgraded parts. I didn't bother with the RPS flywheel by the way (had to watch the pennies), thought it would get spinning pretty quick as it was with Turbo power.
Right, after taking up the whole of Mark's evening yesterday (cheers mate!), this is what we found:
The manifold is the old style, which we think means that the newer one is for the SMT only, as the rest of the kit is definately the updated one (MAF is post turbo, and the BOV now vents to atmosphere).
Bar the exhaust (which I'm in 'discussions' with Jay over atm), the kit is fully complete, except for a 5/8" to 1/2" reducing coupler for the turbo coolant lines. This was the one part I'd been waiting on for about a month, so I'm slightly disappointed it's not in there. I do have one, but since you need two that's not really a lot of help...
The brass tees for the vacuum reference lines are now made of plastic. While I'm sure they work just as well, it's a little disappointing to see that Jay appears to be cutting corners/costs with the kit now. For the extra pennies they cost, I'd be much happier with brass ones.
The manufacturing of some parts leaves much to be desired, especially the air deflector for the intercooler: It's scratched to buggery, and is not even cut straight (and all the edges are razor sharp!). It looks like they let the work experience kid have a go at making this at 4:30pm on a Friday. s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
Other than that, it's perfect. s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
*EDIT* One last thing I've just noticed: On the packing list, you get a little tick next to everything that has been included. I'm thinking that this list isn't actually used at all, as I have no tick next to the e-Manage, yet I do have it! I'd rather this way round than the alternative, but considering my kit was supposedly packed then re-packed, I don't see how you forget to tick a box... s:? :? s:?
Not too bad then. s:wink: :wink: s:wink: Sounds like some corners are being cut, but come on plastic tees, how much must that be saving £3? Did you go for the boost controller too?
ps. Look out for your VAT bill from DHL!!!
I know, I can't wait until that lovely letter arrives on my doorstep... s:( :( s:(
I got the Profec as my boost controller, did you get that as well or the manual option?
I went for the manual boost control. Does the profec give you variable control instead of the 2 settings with the manual?
Yup. After hearing about Sean's, I don't think there's a lot the Profec can't do...!
Just seen this. May be useful to see the changes to parts in pics. These are identical to what I have.
http://www.midsouthspyders.com/greddy.htm
yep you have trhe old style kit then
Quote from: "Ekona"The manufacturing of some parts leaves much to be desired, especially the air deflector for the intercooler: It's scratched to buggery, and is not even cut straight (and all the edges are razor sharp!). It looks like they let the work experience kid have a go at making this at 4:30pm on a Friday. s:evil: :evil: s:evil:
what's funny (or sad, don't know which) is that he isn't even exagerating one bit. this really is how it looks.
Yours is the same, too? At least Hass are working to the same set of standards...!
Apparently the reason I never recieved the dual exhaust was because Mark never put it on the invoice, despite the fact that Jay himself has an e-mail telling him exactly what I ordered. It's all sorted now though, and I should receive both the leg and the missing coolant coupler in the post soon. Jay's worked it out that I pay a reduced amount of shipping over my troubles for this, so at least he's trying to put things right.
yeah it's the same.
So are they sending you a new exhaust with the left leg welded on, or are they only sending you the leg which you will later have to weld on to the existing exhaust you have?
I'm asking because when I was in your situation I was told that they would only send the left leg, but I actually recieved a complete dual exhaust system. So I now have both..
Nope, just the leg. They're not making the dual one anymore.
hi every1,
had to ask but what is the cheapest turbo to get.
thanks
http://www.c2power.com/node/313 s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "ADam"hi every1,
had to ask but what is the cheapest turbo to get.
thanks
how long is a ball of string.
depends on your goals
Quote from: "markiii"how long is a ball of string
A ball isn't long, it's round s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Mark's right though, you need to know exactly what you want out of a turbo kit. If you just want a quick 200bhp fix, then either the PE kit or either of the Hass/C2 Stage 1 kits will do. However, if you think you might want more power in the future, then you really need to be looking at the Stage 2 intercooled options offered by either Hass or C2.
There are other kits out there (A'pexi, Top Secret etc), but they're increasingly hard to get hold of. Stick with the main three, and I don't think you'll go far wrong.
PE as in POWER ENTERPRISE Turbo Kit.
u know what i think 200bhp will be enough for me s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: .
thanks
I think Apexi and TS aren't produced anymore...
Quote from: "ADam"u know what i think 200bhp will be enough for me s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: .
I think you're forgetting Rule number 1 of performance modification:
It's
never enough..
s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
PE have a reputation for good kit, though - certainly make nice turbos.
Quote from: "aaronjb"Quote from: "ADam"u know what i think 200bhp will be enough for me s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: .
I think you're forgetting Rule number 1 of performance modification:
It's never enough..
s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
PE have a reputation for good kit, though - certainly make nice turbos.
yea but im scared the engine might not cope with that much power s:( :( s:(
The 1ZZ is good for waaaaaaay more than 200bhp... There's a guy on SC running over 300 on stock internals.
Whereabouts in Essex are you ADam?
Quote from: "Ekona"The 1ZZ is good for waaaaaaay more than 200bhp... There's a guy on SC running over 300 on stock internals.
Whereabouts in Essex are you ADam?
300bhp s:shock: :shock: s:shock: unbelivable.
Im in Rainham
btw them alloys look nice.
any chance of giving me the make of them s:D :D s:D
I don't think you can say MWR 1ZZ is on stock internals :p
ADam: Ah, other end of Essex to me then! The wheels are Asiatec Warrior shadow chrome jobbies, in 17" form.
Dieamond: I wasn't referring to MWR's one. I think Gino is pushing 300 isn't he, and I think he's still on stock internals? I could be wrong, though... s:? :? s:?
Ah Gino I don't know
Quote from: "ADam"PE as in POWER ENTERPRISE Turbo Kit.
u know what i think 200bhp will be enough for me s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted: .
thanks
Then buy the PE kit with a pre-programmed greddy ecu. That's for sure enough power. If later on you feel you need more power, well then you can just upgrade the parts you need.
Also, the PE kit will be shipped as soon as you have paid for it.
If you want C2 or Hass, you're gonna have to wait for the kits to be produced.
And finally, you should be prepared on that if you buy a turbokit from Hass, they will send it in two different boxes.. this is because they think it's funny to forget packing certain items and sending them later on. Ask all of us owners of Hass turbo kits.
Seriously though, buy a PE or C2 kit. After my experience with Hass, I wouldn't recommend them for a sec.
Quote from: "dieamond"I think Apexi and TS aren't produced anymore...
TS=Top Secret? I think that one should still be available as I know someone who has recently been in contact with them for minor custom job of their kit s8) 8) s8)
Quote from: "Tem"Quote from: "dieamond"I think Apexi and TS aren't produced anymore...
TS=Top Secret? I think that one should still be available as I know someone who has recently been in contact with them for minor custom job of their kit s8) 8) s8)
certainly still on sale at japan parts and taka kiara
Quote from: "ADam"Also, the PE kit will be shipped as soon as you have paid for it.
If you want C2 or Hass, you're gonna have to wait for the kits to be produced.
s;) ;) s;) We have them on stock
oh sorry, my bad!
Right, I give up. I'm totally washing my hands of anything to do with Hass or Jay anymore.
Today I finally recieved my second exhaust leg. However, I was supposed to get the missing water fitting as well (which I don't actually need anyway since I've managed to source one over here by myself), it was sent to the wrong address (I wanted it sent to my parents house as someone would be in to collect it: Since it went to my house while I was at work, I've had to travel to bloody Harlow (40 miles!) to pick it up from DHL), and to top it all he writes out a full customs list meaning I now have to pay import tax on a piece I should have recieved in the first place!!
What's worse, is that he put down the value of the leg as $150, when he supplies it for $80. He's doubled the value of it, which means I have to pay import duty WELL OVER what it should be.
Jay may have the mechanical knowledge, but when it comes to general intelligence he's found extremely wanting. I'm so p*ssed off about this, you can't imagine how angry I am now. If you really want a turbo kit, then go for C2. There's no way in hell they can be any worse (no offence Gas!), so you have nothing to lose.
Feel really bad for you mate. If you were the first to have all these problems then you could put it down to being unlucky, but they haven't done 1 right yet (to my knowledge) s:x :x s:x
Has anyone on here actually ordered a kit from them recently, if so how's the progress? Doubt anyone has as they really have messed up with getting any more international orders.
Good luck with the install s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
sorry to hear your woes Dan s:( :( s:(
sounds as though Jay Hass wont be getting anymore sales from this side of the pond and i cant say that i'm sorry to hear it after all the problems people have had, why is it some people and companies cant do a simple thing like following a set list on an order sheet s:roll: :roll: s:roll:
oh well more orders for Gaspar then s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
Quote from: "mr-s_turbo"Has anyone on here actually ordered a kit from them recently, if so how's the progress? Doubt anyone has as they really have messed up with getting any more international orders.
I very nearly did - discussion with Jay brought strong assurance that they were on top of things now, but judging by recent posts perhaps thats not entirely accurate. So I've opted for C2 (mostly on its own merits I have to say) - but still, Jay has lost a "gimme" of a potential sale.
Its a shame that such a cracking piece of kit is being devalued in this way, & I really feel for you being placed in this situation Dan s:cry: :cry: s:cry: Hope the install brings back a smile or two.
Ste
Indeed, as I've said to Jay himself 90% of the kit is top notch: It's just a shame that the build quality of the other 10% is shockingly bad and the whole service (or lack thereof) ruins the experience.
I know that as soon as I get boosting I'll forget all of this, but for now... I'm not a happy bunny.
still awaiting a slot with c2p and a few more details of exactly i want to do
We are selling a few Mr2 kits right now so more feedback will come. s;) ;) s;)
Your experience has now totally put me off going the HASS route; what a shame and it proves that just having a good product with the customer services does not equal company success s:? :? s:?
I realy want a c2 kit too, see it on my car at the next shows s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:
My bodykit is confirmed as ordered now, talking with Revision6 about some Tein coilovers and I think we will be about there.
Only concern was seing spys numberplate melted that looked quite close to being a fire. But they are changing things around slightly to prevent this so cool.
I also thought to add an aquamist system (probably with the extra IC squirter) we will see how we are going first and then decide on that.
Phil
I can see that alot of you guys have had problems with Hass in the past. Especially since it's getting shipped overseas and parts coming up short.
I have been watching you guys and have thought over which way I'm gonna go.
For me, I live about 6 hours from Hass, so I'm just gonna drop my car off with him, and let him do what they do. Stage II turbo, upgraded turbo to the GT2871R , just incase I wanna turn it up alittle. Have to upgrade that clutch as well.
When I pick her up, I'll probable get a tear in my eye and butterflys in my gut when I hear that thing purrrrrr. Excited like a little school kid.
Unfortunately, I'm out of the country until Feb, but as soon as I get back,,,,,,,ROAD TRIP. I hope to GOD that it all goes well for me. Cross your fingers for me.
This is the only toy I'm allowed to have,,"says the wife". So, other little projects will come next...on the car that is..
Does anyone know much about the Apexi turbo? Have seen them advertised in the US at a 'sale price' of £1750? Are they any good and is that a good price?
Thats a stonking good price if it comes complete with Power FC and IC core (and i think you get uprated pump & injectors too s:) :) s:) ).
Retail 3 years ago was $4000.
The Apexi supposedly turns in decent figures and runs at 7.5psi, but I know nothing about install/ tuning/ gremlins/ availability/ reliability etc. (someone on here will) It became a low-volume ad hoc seller quite early into its existence.