Yeah but I think you may have bought the only PWR chargecooler to ever appear on eBay  s;) s;)

I also brought another cc set up before I got ill. watch this space later.

What was bad on the chargecooler.co.uk service stu? you were raving about them before.

I was going to get their pipes kit ?

they were seriously slow, sometimes poor on comms and as for the connection/pipework kit, the description of the contents of the kit didn't match the parts that turned up, when i complained they just claimed it was a website error, personally i just wouldn't use them. Aaron found the hosepipe cheaper the other day on fleabay, so theres no real need to use them. Hardest part to get hold of is the pump, the Davies ones seem to have a higher failure rate and as such i probably wouldnt use them as a replacement for the Bosch ones

Thanks yeah remembe when I had my last CC the day we went to B&Q or something they had good hose in there even.

The imoc guys advised me back then to use an aquarium supplier for that stuff, oh and they recomended getting the bends from them too, for a proper job.

I think that's where it all comes from anyway Phil  s;) s;)  The stuff you find on eBay is aquarium stuff - or food grade hose from food factories.

i got the pipe step adaptors from an aquarium place as well

some more pics from install

Nicely done Mark. Can't wait to see that in 3D on the Wales run.

Any pics of the pipe routing under the car?

I'll take some whilst fitting teh bracing

My that chargecooler looks mighty small! Mine, that I recall (oh so long ago now..) was about that size, and was a definite restriction during high airflow. Hope you've done ya sums!
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Mark, are all your panels, bumpers etc held on with bulldog clips? Must be easier the ammount of times you remove them!   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Quote from: "mph"My that chargecooler looks mighty small! Mine, that I recall (oh so long ago now..) was about that size, and was a definite restriction during high airflow. Hope you've done you sums!
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apparently it's good for 270bhp and I have no plans to run more than that.

pressure drop is nigh onidentical to teh Hass intercooler as well.

so we'll see

worst case it was a bargain so I'll swap it for a bigger one  :-) :-) :-)

Hmmmm... 2nd hand charge cooler that was a bargain??

First dibs  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

following the Wales run I did some intake temp logging, opinions appreciated. Temps are in fahrenheit

so that puts max temp at circa 71 degrees C peak though you will also note all peaks temps drop immediately so there is no heat soak  :-) :-) :-)

this was running 10psi (which was dynoed to translate to 267bhp, 240ftlbs torque) whilst hairing round the back roads of 5 counties on the way to the hotel in Shrewsbury

at all stops the CC was stone cold

Quote from: "markiii"opinions appreciated

What's the timescale, seconds? Can you do a longer run at WOT? Preferably few minutes.

yes seconds

will try but was running out of road  :-) :-) :-)

try a quick run up the A1 Mark, and if its ok with you then next time i'm up then do a run on mine and see if the larger CC makes any difference?

please

though if you get the chance can you check the temps on yours in the interim.

I just dug out thsi PM from our old mate Perry

heres the temps I posted at the time:-

(Ambient temps are at the MAF read via the Blitz R-Vit - so engine bay temps rather than outside temps. Post C/Cooler temps are read just before the plenum)

Thrashing around town in high boost with stops at traffic lights, regular 12psi

Ambient: 84*F Plenum: 70*F

Cruising at 95mph on motorway for long periods

Ambient: 90*F Plenum: 91*F


Full out boosting for long periods on the motorway, at times reaching speeds of 135mph+

Ambient: 108*F Plenum: 97*F

to give you an idea of the efficency of this system, I was previously reading temps of 60-65*C (149*F) whilst just cruising at 90mph on the motorway, as for temps when previously boosting hard, I dont know as I had to turn of the temp gauge as the in-built alarm would go off at 65*C!

these are considerably lower with the sam CC, thats said he was running 40bhp less and the ambient temps in the engine bay would have been much lower to.

Steve wonders if my MAF is buggered from the extreme hest it had to live with during my mishap. which is possible.

Quote from: "markiii"some more pics from install

Hi

Ive noticed your charge temps on your readings are quite high.  s:? :? s:?  

Can you confirm these points :

The header tank water level is higher than the elbows on the chargecooler core..

The water from the cold side of the radiator goes into the throttle body end of the core, not the turbo end.

The header tank and pump are on the cold side of the radiator, and that the pump is the lowest point in the system.

The reason why to put it in comparison, is you shouldnt be seeing any more than 20C above ambient.

For example, a customers Alpine GTA, which is a rear engined turbo V6, and suffers huge heat issues in the engine bay, recorded only 40c max all day at Castle Coombe, on a 24c ambient day, at 1 bar of boost. This was max sustained temps, on a track day, abeit using the slightly larger 4x8 core, but installed as per my instructions. These temperatures were logged on his standalone ECU.

Thanks

David

well mark cant confirm that anymore as his kits sat on the shelf in his garage but i'll double check the lines as mines the same, but i designed it and yes the header is way above the CC, on mine its about 12 inches higher. The temps have dropped a huge amount but are definatley not that low. The 1ZZ suffers with virtually no flow of air through the bay and with evrything rather tightly crammed in the heat soak can be huge, the one time i did measure the temps i had 70-80 degs and thats why i put the CC in, i was literally burning my hand on the intake whereas now its cool to the touch

Quote from: "kanujunkie"well mark cant confirm that anymore as his kits sat on the shelf in his garage but i'll double check the lines as mines the same, but i designed it and yes the header is way above the CC, on mine its about 12 inches higher. The temps have dropped a huge amount but are definatley not that low. The 1ZZ suffers with virtually no flow of air through the bay and with evrything rather tightly crammed in the heat soak can be huge, the one time i did measure the temps i had 70-80 degs and thats why i put the CC in, i was literally burning my hand on the intake whereas now its cool to the touch

Yes, we have the same problem on the Alpines. The engine bay temps are around 70-80 degrees, but our bay is air tight from the top. The rear hatch is completely glass with a rubber water tight seal. There is evena secondary engine cover, as well as the glass. There is no airflow at all, and still saw no more than 40c on a hot day.

i think i need to sort out some accurate measurements, shame its not summer though  s:? :? s:?  

the other CC should be fitted in someones car by the summer as well, so perhaps we can sort out some readings from that one as well

I really hope I have mine fitted by summer, too..  s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Stu - remind me, which size barrel did you buy?

4x10 iirc

Ta Stu - I was trying to remember if we decided 8 or 10" would fit in my upper boost pipe space.. I'll have to measure again  s:) s:)

I think I'll go for the 6" diameter - probably a 6x8.