Gary's Track Day/Fast Road Weekend Car 1zz Turbo.. Now Built 2zz Turbo with E153

Started by Gaz2405, March 11, 2019, 20:39

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1979scotte

Or you could stop chasing big power and settle on something in the mid to high 200s.
No need for built engines or upgrade transmissions.
Just a decent tune.
Just saying mate.
Feel your pain.
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Gaz2405

Quote from: 1979scotte on October  8, 2020, 19:11Or you could stop chasing big power and settle on something in the mid to high 200s.
No need for built engines or upgrade transmissions.
Just a decent tune.
Just saying mate.
Feel your pain.

That would be all too easy though Scotte wouldn't it?! I do still keep my eye out for 2GR's though!

Just measured the bores on two off my 1zz blocks, one has had a recent rebuild and is at 79.5mm other is standard bore.

So may look into a block guard/CSS or run without one with just rods and pistons.

1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

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1979scotte

Quote from: Gaz2405 on October  8, 2020, 19:30
Quote from: 1979scotte on October  8, 2020, 19:11Or you could stop chasing big power and settle on something in the mid to high 200s.
No need for built engines or upgrade transmissions.
Just a decent tune.
Just saying mate.
Feel your pain.

That would be all too easy though Scotte wouldn't it?! I do still keep my eye out for 2GR's though!

Just measured the bores on two off my 1zz blocks, one has had a recent rebuild and is at 79.5mm other is standard bore.

So may look into a block guard/CSS or run without one with just rods and pistons.



Andy Ayres 2gr is for sale last time I looked on eBay. Blue.
Would be way more drivable than a turbo build I reckon. And sound fabulous obviously.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
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Gaz2405

New Block collected today and already torn down!

Staying 2ZZ with a non sleeved block, so it'll have to be Mahle pistons to work with the MMC cylinder walls.

Little update video below.

1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

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Gaz2405

1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

Build thread https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=67004.0

1979scotte

Oh dear and Christmas is coming.
Just lump of coal and a tangerine for the kids this year then.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Free Ukraine 🇺🇦

Gaz2405

Quote from: 1979scotte on October 11, 2020, 08:33Oh dear and Christmas is coming.
Just lump of coal and a tangerine for the kids this year then.

Secret to that is not having kids! 😜

1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

Build thread https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=67004.0

1979scotte

Quote from: Gaz2405 on October 16, 2020, 18:49
Quote from: 1979scotte on October 11, 2020, 08:33Oh dear and Christmas is coming.
Just lump of coal and a tangerine for the kids this year then.

Secret to that is not having kids! 😜



I know. It has benefits.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Free Ukraine 🇺🇦

Gaz2405

Bearings, pistons and a few other bits have turned up.

Crank and main bearings installed.

Will start gapping rings tomorrow and get the rods and pistons in.

Ordered a no.56 valve stem shim for one of the valves, then that will be the head built back up.

Full gasket kit also arrived along with all the sealants and adhesives.
1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

Build thread https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=67004.0

tets

Quote from: Gaz2405 on October 16, 2020, 18:49
Quote from: 1979scotte on October 11, 2020, 08:33Oh dear and Christmas is coming.
Just lump of coal and a tangerine for the kids this year then.

Secret to that is not having kids! 😜



Yeah, and i'll go with 3 kids, 2 through Uni at the same time and got a call today saying Son No1 got on one knee yesterday!! Turbo build needs to speed up before my wallet is emptied again!!

1979scotte

Quote from: tets on October 16, 2020, 19:51
Quote from: Gaz2405 on October 16, 2020, 18:49
Quote from: 1979scotte on October 11, 2020, 08:33Oh dear and Christmas is coming.
Just lump of coal and a tangerine for the kids this year then.

Secret to that is not having kids! 😜



Yeah, and i'll go with 3 kids, 2 through Uni at the same time and got a call today saying Son No1 got on one knee yesterday!! Turbo build needs to speed up before my wallet is emptied again!!

Tell No1 son to pay for his own bloody wedding.
Unless £2.50 and a packet of crisps will do.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Free Ukraine 🇺🇦

tets

Quote from: 1979scotte on October 16, 2020, 20:12
Quote from: tets on October 16, 2020, 19:51
Quote from: Gaz2405 on October 16, 2020, 18:49
Quote from: 1979scotte on October 11, 2020, 08:33Oh dear and Christmas is coming.
Just lump of coal and a tangerine for the kids this year then.

Secret to that is not having kids! 😜



Yeah, and i'll go with 3 kids, 2 through Uni at the same time and got a call today saying Son No1 got on one knee yesterday!! Turbo build needs to speed up before my wallet is emptied again!!

Tell No1 son to pay for his own bloody wedding.
Unless £2.50 and a packet of crisps will do.

I'm sure he will (he earns double my wage) but the Mrs will "obviously" need a new dress and hair do!!

Gaz2405

Got a fair few hours on the engine today which were uninterrupted so decided to gap all the rings.

After lots of reading up on ring gap sizes and speaking to mahle over tech support I enede up going with 0.022 top and 0.022 bottom ring which they recommend for over 15psi of boost.

The rings are gapped pretty much out of the box for low boost application.

Once they were done, decided to get the rods built up.

Then had another 30 minutes so chucked them in!

And boom, we're getting there!

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Wrist pin circlips were an absolute bastard mind!
1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

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Gaz2405

Head now on and torqued to spec.

Going to get it running with the standard sump to start with then I'll swap my Elise parts baffled sump on.

Quite therapeutic getting stuff back together.
1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

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Gaz2405

Engine management ordered.

Some of you will be glad to know I'm using a proper system this time and not making do with an APEXI Power FC (although this has been spot on)

ECU Master EMU Black ordered, slightly higher than the group buy price from way back but still a bargain for the features it offers.



1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

Build thread https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=67004.0

Gaz2405

A few more bits starting to turn up.

Competition Clutch stage 4 rated for a 250% increase in torque.

Ecumaster Emu Black has also turned up now, with swap loom Iat and boost controller.

Modified an old fuel rail I had to run a return fuel rail with a Rrfpr.

Next up I need to try and get over my folks house before lock down and pick up my engine crane and I'm ready to get the old motor out.
1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

Build thread https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=67004.0

Gaz2405

The car went away under its cover for winter this weekend.

A few  more bits and bobs done on the engine in prep.

I bought another 1zz loom, so I could tidy it up and put it on the engine ready, as I k ow what I'm like if I was swapping it over from the one already in the bay I wouldn't have taken the time to clean it!

Vac block and hoses turned up.

Lotus coil pack cover to keep the rain out.

Clutch is now fitted also along with new flywheel bolts.

New crankshaft pulley and new idle pulley.

Decided when I swap the engine in I'll stick with the C series gearbox to start with, then start mocking up my spare 2zz block with my EA60 block to see what needs doing.



1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

Build thread https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=67004.0

Nvy

The last couple of weeks I was rebuilding c52 tranny. All I can say is that the bearings inside are a joke and they are not cheap. I was watching a video on YouTube about some honda tranny and the bearings are just huge compared to our tranny. C66 transmission is a better design but still puny bearings inside plus the same size 1-5 gears, its just not built for much torque.

1979scotte

Quote from: Nvy on November  9, 2020, 21:58The last couple of weeks I was rebuilding c52 tranny. All I can say is that the bearings inside are a joke and they are not cheap. I was watching a video on YouTube about some honda tranny and the bearings are just huge compared to our tranny. C66 transmission is a better design but still puny bearings inside plus the same size 1-5 gears, its just not built for much torque.

Far stronger than it needed to be to support stock 1zz or 2zz power levels. It keeps the car light. Have you seen the size of an E154!
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Free Ukraine 🇺🇦

Gaz2405

I've just spent the last 2 hours stuck down a rabbit hole, researching EA and EB gearboxes, how to remove lift up reverse.

Or go the whole hog and buy the Evora linkages!
1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

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Gaz2405

So after falling down a massive rabbit hole looking into transmissions last nights, I think i've come up with a plan.

The EB62 shift kit that Frankenstein motorsport sell should fit the EA60 as they have the same mechanism etc.

This should also mean that the Reverse Detent also fits the gearbox, removing the need for "lift up" reverse.

The other options is to fab this myself.

Mounts wise I'll look to get an array of mounts that fit the EA60 mounts and see what fits the best, they don't look too far off.

It will then be a case of finding the correct driveshafts, which hopefully the Rav 4 set that Frankenstein Motor Works use will work with the EA60.
1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

Build thread https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=67004.0

Nvy

Quote from: Gaz2405 on November 10, 2020, 11:57So after falling down a massive rabbit hole looking into transmissions last nights, I think i've come up with a plan.

The EB62 shift kit that Frankenstein motorsport sell should fit the EA60 as they have the same mechanism etc.

This should also mean that the Reverse Detent also fits the gearbox, removing the need for "lift up" reverse.

The other options is to fab this myself.

Mounts wise I'll look to get an array of mounts that fit the EA60 mounts and see what fits the best, they don't look too far off.

It will then be a case of finding the correct driveshafts, which hopefully the Rav 4 set that Frankenstein Motor Works use will work with the EA60.

Does the transmission bolt on to the engine?

Gaz2405

Quote from: Nvy on November 10, 2020, 15:35
Quote from: Gaz2405 on November 10, 2020, 11:57So after falling down a massive rabbit hole looking into transmissions last nights, I think i've come up with a plan.

The EB62 shift kit that Frankenstein motorsport sell should fit the EA60 as they have the same mechanism etc.

This should also mean that the Reverse Detent also fits the gearbox, removing the need for "lift up" reverse.

The other options is to fab this myself.

Mounts wise I'll look to get an array of mounts that fit the EA60 mounts and see what fits the best, they don't look too far off.

It will then be a case of finding the correct driveshafts, which hopefully the Rav 4 set that Frankenstein Motor Works use will work with the EA60.

Does the transmission bolt on to the engine?

I'll soon find out as I've got one coming next week!

1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

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Gaz2405

So.. I've been docked about by the seller of the gearbox I was after.

So I've knocked the gearbox swap idea on the head until its really required.

Also enables me to sort one thing at a time rather than making things slightly more complex than they need to be to start with.

Hopefully once this second lock down is over I'll get the old engine out pre Christmas (I've booked a week off 1st week in December) then have the new lump in the same week.

I'm undecided as to whether I'll drop the whole subframe and give that a going over as it was new a few years ago or just give it a fettle whilst it's still on the car.
1zz turbo. Home built and home mapped.

Now 2zz turbo. Home built and home mapped

Build thread https://www.mr2roc.org/forum/index.php?topic=67004.0

1979scotte

Quote from: Gaz2405 on November 17, 2020, 20:36So.. I've been docked about by the seller of the gearbox I was after.

So I've knocked the gearbox swap idea on the head until its really required.

Also enables me to sort one thing at a time rather than making things slightly more complex than they need to be to start with.

Hopefully once this second lock down is over I'll get the old engine out pre Christmas (I've booked a week off 1st week in December) then have the new lump in the same week.

I'm undecided as to whether I'll drop the whole subframe and give that a going over as it was new a few years ago or just give it a fettle whilst it's still on the car.

Drop it and give it a good going over you really can't be too careful with them. Not exactly many left on the shelf.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Free Ukraine 🇺🇦

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