Horrific 2zz Black MR-S bodge work "track car"

Started by Anon, May 30, 2022, 15:05

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Anon

Well maybe I shouldn't, but I bought this.... does anyone know its history of how this car came about?

It shat all its coolant out on the trailer while unloading it, and it idles at 2000rpm because the idle control valve is all shagged inside, but all that is pretty irrelevant because the TPS sensor is both knackard and wired up the wrong way, so it was trying to idle at full throttle and at idle it thinks its at WOT!

Who does this stuff really. I bet it was dog slow all the time at the fuel control is screwed up. Plus it had 3 major vacuum leaks so the fuel trim was all goofed up.

The idler bearing on accessory belt is screaming its head off, and on the verge of letting go. Water leak was the O ring on the water pump... and "very coincidentally" it came with a brand new water pump in the spares box which was dated as manufactured 27/07/2021.

But at least its not a rotten POS ! No upside down welding requred.




MattPerformance

Hi Matt
The car was built and the conversion was done by Megillian Motorsport.
I can't speak for the TPS issues or the vacuum leaks but I did three track days in the car and it performed faultlessly.  I suspect there must have been some concern with the water pump (hence there being one with the car) but I can only imagine that the water leak happened as a result of the car standing for the last couple of months as it was absolutely fine when I used it until that point.
On the plus side, the water pump is an easy job and by the look of it, the TB issues should be a quick and cheap fix.
Notwithstanding its imperfections that we knew about and those that we didn't, "horrific" is a bit harsh!!

MattPerformance

I quite agree that an awful lot of the cosmetic stuff leaves a lot to be desired (fueboards flapping about etc), but I stand by the fact that mechanically and structurally it is completely sound, albeit that it sprang a water leak that I didn't know about nor had I experienced (but changing if the water pump isn't exactly a big deal - if I'd known about it I'd have done it myself).
I have no doubt that you'll enjoy the car once you get it to the standard that you're happy with.

Alex Knight

That looks furking horrific.

Bon chance.

1979scotte

I've owned worse.
Best of luck with it.
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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
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SuperArt

#5
Quote from: 1979scotte on May 30, 2022, 20:41I've owned worse.
Best of luck with it.

Mate it's bloody close. This looks/sounds tragic.

Anon fairplay to you going into this project eyes open, all the best.
Best regards,
Arthur
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1979scotte

Quote from: SuperArt on May 31, 2022, 21:33Mate it's bloody close. This looks/sounds tragic.

Anon fairplay to you going into this project eyes open, all the best.

Until someone shows me a subframe that folds in half under its own weight I'm not convinced.
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Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
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Joesson

The expression What you see is what you get doesn't always hold good as what you don't see comes with it.
The Op's car was trailered home, not driven away, whereas another member bought from a (now ex)  member, and drove many miles home to uncover the truth.
Experience comes in good and bad forms and some leaves a bitter taste.

J88TEO


tricky1138

2004 FL, Black, Matt Brace, Team Dynamics Monza R, Tein Springs, TTE Exhaust, heated black leather seats, black leather armrest,  Zunsport grills, Midship front badge,  TRD spoiler, Halo DRLs with LED fogs, large clear wind defector, Krissg kick panels,  small mongos.

MattPerformance

#10
Quote from: Joesson on June  1, 2022, 08:37The expression What you see is what you get doesn't always hold good as what you don't see comes with it.
The Op's car was trailered home, not driven away, whereas another member bought from a (now ex)  member, and drove many miles home to uncover the truth.
Experience comes in good and bad forms and some leaves a bitter taste.


When you dissect what the buyer has said, you can see that the car is far from horrific, not to mention that a lot of the parts that he has since fitted were actually included in the sale, £4400 for a really clean shell (by his own admission), 2zz conversion that did spring a water pump leak but is otherwise perfect, decent exhaust (not just your cheap and cheerful swap manifold), full cage, coilovers, hard top, buckets, harnesses, fire extinguisher system, Sparco wheel with QR hub and a car load of spares.... That's hardly going to leave a bitter taste in anyone's mouth!
As I mentioned earlier though, some of the details of the original build left a bit to be desired but they didn't affect functionality one iota.

Call the midlife!

Quote from: MattPerformance on June  2, 2022, 21:19When you dissect what the buyer has said, you can see that the car is far from horrific, not to mention that a lot of the parts that he has since fitted were actually included in the sale, £4400 for a really clean shell (by his own admission), 2zz conversion that did spring a water pump leak but is otherwise perfect, decent exhaust (not just your cheap and cheerful swap manifold), full cage, coilovers, hard top, buckets, harnesses, fire extinguisher system, Sparco wheel with QR hub and a car load of spares.... That's hardly going to leave a bitter taste in anyone's mouth!
As I mentioned earlier though, some of the details of the original build left a bit to be desired but they didn't affect functionality one iota.
That's a lot for the money to be fair, I've thrown more than that at mine over the last few years just making it worse 🤓
60% of the time it works everytime...

MattPerformance


Alex Knight

Quote from: MattPerformance on June  3, 2022, 13:54Blah blah blah

To be fair to the OP, this is a rather childish response.

If I had sold a car that genuinely had the issues the the OP stated, I'd be embarrassed, and doing my utmost to resolve them in an amicable and adult manner.

That your response does neither of these (to my knowledge) speaks volumes.

There was a route you could have chosen, and you didn't. In my humble opinion, that does not reflect you in your best light.

MattPerformance

Quote from: Alex Knight on June  3, 2022, 21:16To be fair to the OP, this is a rather childish response.

If I had sold a car that genuinely had the issues the the OP stated, I'd be embarrassed, and doing my utmost to resolve them in an amicable and adult manner.

That your response does neither of these (to my knowledge) speaks volumes.

There was a route you could have chosen, and you didn't. In my humble opinion, that does not reflect you in your best light.

You're welcome to your opinion.

All I'm seeing here is a rant about the build quality of the car (not my doing and was all there to see when he collected the car), acceptance in fact, that the car was fair value and a moan about some niggling issues that he made no attempt to discuss with me, all of which seem to have been resolved in an afternoon.
If someone buys something and their first course of action is to rant on a forum instead of contacting the seller (although, AGAIN, he appears to be satisfied with the car actually) then I don't believe it's my responsibility to do anything.
Whatever the OP might think, the car is mechanically sound, did three track days without missing a beat and then stood for a couple of months before being sold.  I don't think I have anything to answer for at all, let alone be embarrassed about.
The FOC brand new full set of Yellowstuff brake pads, spare head lights, spare rear lights, spare bumpers, free car cover, spare driveshafts, MOTUL 600 brake fluid, 2x complete sets of brake discs, alternator, water pump (and prob a few things I've forgotten to mention) don't get a mention (ok, so the water pump does) but the 22 year old wheels do because, although they were FREE, two of them apparently have buckled (although how bad, I don't know).
If the OP was looking for support from me then he only needed to get in contact but he actually seems to be happy with the car, oh and all the free parts he got.  Again, not exactly horrific!

MattPerformance

#15
Spare hand brake cables - I knew I'd forgotten some other free spares that I'd included.

And the rear pads were very low which I did mention (new ones supplied and I explicitly mentioned that I hadn't changed them so that the buyer could see that the new pads were truly new (in the box!).

When describing the 2zz mechanically I should have said "perfectly serviceable" as opposed to perfect (it ran perfectly for me!).

PS. I hadn't realised the "horrific" label was meant as a joke (neither did others from what I read). FWIW, I described it as ghastly!

Anon: rest assured that there's nothing wrong with the HG. Enjoy the car for what it is, but beware running it on slicks cause the 2zz oil system is not renowned for being able to keep up with big lateral Gs....

Hammond

Quote from: Anon on June  8, 2022, 15:48Missing part for the belt and pulleys turned this morning. In a quiet hour at work today managed to get these bits swapped over, and it made the engine much quieter at tickover.




Also made the Fog Light a proper OEM setup. Turns out the MR-S imports have all the wiring in the factory loom for the fog light, all you need is a UK rear right cluster with the bulb holder in place. Then under the dash near the mirror adjuster button there is an un-used connector. Join the yellow wire to the red/white wire and the rear fog light comes on, and the yellow rear fog indicator in the dash illuminates. So with an MR2 front fog light switch, you can have a near OEM rear foglight functioning in the import. You cannot use a UK spec set of stalks in a JDM import, the connectors are pinned differently and one of the connectors is physically different. So indicators on the right it stays.

Lastly, took the car for a little drive to make sure everything works. Turns out the ABS is doing something weird, I think one of the wheel speed values is not reading correctly. So when you try to brake it fights against you, which is not what we want really.

Also have a set of Whiteline ARB's and these nifty improved drop links from spring-loaded suspension, amazing service from them, super fast delivery.




Have you got a link for the drop links?
05' silver

Joesson

Quote from: Anon on June  8, 2022, 18:39I bought via ebay.. these items

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/281940020171
RoadNutz Rear Adjustable Drop Links x2 for Toyota MR2 1.8i 1999-2007 ZZW30

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/293519072893
Rear Drop Links for Mitsubishi Colt 1.8 GTi 4G93 CA5A 1992 to 1996 = Front MR2 with longer thread


Your second item was a good find, resolves the issue of insufficient thread length to accommodate an aftermarket/ Whiteline ARB.
On the same eBay page, I guess you noticed Roadnutz offering Front drop links for the Roadster, but noted as NOT suitable for Whiteline ARB.

Chilli Girl

#18
Brilliant news and work done by you.  I don't reckon it's "horrific" now. It looks a great car, well done. ;D
Ex owners of Chilli red facelift 52 reg called Chilli, silver 55 reg called Foxy and blue pfl W reg MR-S called Sapphire. Now 2 less!

fawtytoo

Your "horrific" car looks better than mine.
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JB21

#20
If you've paid less than £4k and the engine and chassis is solid then you've not done bad at all.

I've got loads of auxiliary engine parts if you need anything.

Mark A

Interesting geo setup, any experience with that set up? I'm always interested in what other people are running in the quest for handling nirvana.

Mine is pretty similar
Front camber -2.25
      caster  2.5
      toe -    .03
Rear camber  -1.3
     toe       .01

JB21

Quote from: Mark A on June 17, 2022, 17:03Interesting geo setup, any experience with that set up? I'm always interested in what other people are running in the quest for handling nirvana.

Mine is pretty similar
Front camber -2.25
      caster  2.5
      toe -    .03
Rear camber  -1.3
     toe       .01

My 2ZZ track set up, works very well with current chassis hardware.

front (each side) camber -3.00/toe out -1mm
rear (each side) camber -3.00/toe in +2mm

JB21

Quote from: Anon on June 18, 2022, 10:17Is that toe in/out really in mm's? Where is it measured from?

mm yeah. What do you mean measured from?

1mm = °0.09 running a 15" rim

JB21

Quote from: Anon on June 18, 2022, 11:50How do you work that out? Where do you measure this 1mm? Or do you measure in degrees?

When I do some basic Trigonometry on a 15" - 381mm wheel, I cannot get anything line this conversion factor, I get 1mm = 0.3 degrees.

Educate me :)

mm is used when aligning toe via the string method.

Conversion chart below from trackace

http://www.trackace.co.uk/Manual/Conversion%20Chart.pdf

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