Horrific 2zz Black MR-S bodge work "track car"

Started by Anon, May 30, 2022, 15:05

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Alex Knight

That is astonishing. Would make me want to check every nut and bolt on the car.

Chilli Girl

Your doing brilliantly with this - really well done, it's good to see it all coming together. ;D
Ex owners of Chilli red facelift 52 reg called Chilli, silver 55 reg called Foxy and blue pfl W reg MR-S called Sapphire. Now 2 less!

Hammond

Quote from: Chilli Girl on June 24, 2022, 20:01Your doing brilliantly with this - really well done, it's good to see it all coming together. ;D

I couldn't agree more! This is tidying up nicely.
05' silver

J88TEO


Chilli Girl

Quote from: Anon on June 29, 2022, 14:10Project Horrific strikes again!!

Been out for a drive about this morning, another shake down.

Turned it off, then it wouldn't restart. Cranks over mega slow.

It did this last week outside a mates house. This time though it wouldn't start.

Got 2 girls to give it a push and it started OK. Brought it back home, wouldn't start again. Went for a brew for 15 mins, then it would start again.

Voltages are good, charging/alternator is good. No voltage drops over the cables or ground straps etc.

Pretty sure the starter is getting stiff/draggy when its hot, or 1 of the 4 brushes inside isn't contacting.

Best get this starter motor dropped off the car tonight and strip it down.

Good girls!

Ex owners of Chilli red facelift 52 reg called Chilli, silver 55 reg called Foxy and blue pfl W reg MR-S called Sapphire. Now 2 less!

1979scotte

Quote from: Anon on June 23, 2022, 21:26Fitted some engine mount inserts tonight, and some brooks shifter linkage bushes.




But on taking the engine mounts off, look at the state of the top bolt in the front engine mount  :o


Whoever put the engine in this car needs taking off the tools ASAP. Are they having a few cans on the job?  :-\  Everything I look at is a bit half arsed or buggered up.

Luckily a quality tap sorted the thread out and all came good.

Tomorrow I get to collect the freshly painted hard top and bonnet, can't wait to see the car all the same colour.


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Most are bodge jobs.
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Alex Knight

Feel free to replace the drilled discs with blanks. Drilled just end up cracking between the holes with the heat, and aren't really needed.

1979scotte

Quote from: Alex Knight on July  2, 2022, 07:22Feel free to replace the drilled discs with blanks. Drilled just end up cracking between the holes with the heat, and aren't really needed.

I found they made more noise and dust.
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AJRFulton

#33
Quote from: Alex Knight on July  2, 2022, 07:22Feel free to replace the drilled discs with blanks. Drilled just end up cracking between the holes with the heat, and aren't really needed.

Depends on the quality of the disc, surely? Been around M cars a lot over my life and the quality drilled discs only start to crack when they get quite worn - cheaper replacements start going far, far, far sooner.

Tarox - Sport Japans were my go-to road disc (when I liked fast road cars) never had any issues with cracking on the 370Z and a 500bhp M135i I ran them on.

Personally would always go grooved on a track car, but a world of difference between discs costing £50, £100, £300, etc.

As for the AR1 - I've found that the fastest track tyre (that's still road legal) on the MR2. Closely followed by the A052. You see mixed reviews of the AR1, but mostly heavier cars or people running far to high a pressure. Set them about 24psi cold on the MR2 and you'll not be far wrong. The AR1 is especially useless tyre in if track has anything more than patchy damp patches - they drop off quickly if they lose heat (which is maybe why I'd use A052's unless chasing lap times - work well in the damp and less thermally sensitive)

SuperArt

Strewth, never ending the amount of botch-work you're discovering.
Still, one way to look at it is you're finding out about these issues while you're not in the car. I'd hate to find out on a track day, would be too late then.

I concur with earlier comments, never seen a single modified two that hasn't been bodged, such is the nature of a cheap car nobody spends the dough doing jobs correctly.
Best regards,
Arthur
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Making demented squirrel noises since 2014
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Alex Knight

Quote from: AJRFulton on July  2, 2022, 09:06Depends on the quality of the disc, surely? Been around M cars a lot over my life and the quality drilled discs only start to crack when they get quite worn - cheaper replacements start going far, far, far sooner.

Tarox - Sport Japans were my go-to road disc (when I liked fast road cars) never had any issues with cracking on the 370Z and a 500bhp M135i I ran them on.

Personally would always go grooved on a track car, but a world of difference between discs costing £50, £100, £300, etc.

Any drilled disc for the MR2 is going to be aftermarket, and not OEM. These WILL crack with hard enough use.

Horses for courses, but the MR2 simply does not need anything 'better' than plain OEM discs in track.

1979scotte

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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AJRFulton

#37
I'm guessing you did you not have the fuel tank out to replace the linkages?

AJRFulton

Quote from: Anon on July  5, 2022, 13:28Didn't touch the tank, just lubed up the stuck brake cable from both ends. And the bushes were done just in situe.

I think someone might have started to do the brake cables, but then quit after a few bolts. Thus the new cables included with the car. Seems like lots of half started half finished stuff on this.

I've ordered a new clutch and light weight flywheel for it last night. And I have this brand new old stock gearbox in my shed to use too. So that will whisk a few nights away doing a tidy job of that.

On a positive note while the car was working, I think I might have been one of the quickest lappers out there. On those warmed up semi slick AR-1 tyres and current suspension components it has more grip than I have ability and balls!

And I didn't really get into it fully with the short amount of working time. Some douche in a MK1 MR2 leaked oil all the way round the track so play time stopped for almost an hour. Plus a bit of rain in the morning too. Didn't get much party time before the clutch stopped play. The MK1 looked pretty rough race car type affair, I didn't talk to them though before he left.

I thought I had read you had replaced the linkages, but it was just the bushes.

I don't understand why you'd only put 3 bolts in a fuel tank, it's not even as if they are hard to access (like the engine mount bolt)

MattPerformance

Quote from: Anon on July  4, 2022, 17:46I really am starting to think very little of the cars previous keepers indeed.

Rough luck with the clutch.

I completely agree that the workmanship on the build is extremely shoddy based on all the things that you've found but that's not the fault of the people that have owned the car (you can clearly see that the car has been used very little since the 2zz conversion and track build) - that's down to the person that did the work (which was neither of the last two owners!)

JB21

Seems this is a mix of shoddy workmanship and just plain bad luck. You'll get there mate.

Thought Rogue Motorsport were at bit shoddy in my build but reading some 2zz builds on here and Spyder chat its not really. Just stupid small overlooked things on mine that caused me real pain. Like not spacing the dipstick correctly leading to engine failure, and using a 1zz clutch plate leading to clutch failure. The rest of the build is spot on TBF, and looks like now I have rectified these issues I have a quality build.

s12vea

Quote from: JB21 on July  6, 2022, 08:11Seems this is a mix of shoddy workmanship and just plain bad luck. You'll get there mate.

Thought Rogue Motorsport were at bit shoddy in my build but reading some 2zz builds on here and Spyder chat its not really. Just stupid small overlooked things on mine that caused me real pain. Like not spacing the dipstick correctly leading to engine failure, and using a 1zz clutch plate leading to clutch failure. The rest of the build is spot on TBF, and looks like now I have rectified these issues I have a quality build.

You would expect better from Rogue as they have completed many 2zz swaps and they do charge accordingly!
I guess it can happen with any engine swap and once those bits are sorted you both will have the car exactly how you want.
Another one won't hurt  .....

MattPerformance

#42
This wasn't a Rogue swap.

1979scotte

Quote from: MattPerformance on July  6, 2022, 19:50This wasn't a Rogue swap.

Nobody thinks it is mate as far as I can tell
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

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SuperArt

Quote from: SuperArt on July  2, 2022, 21:37...I'd hate to find out on a track day...

Really should've kept my mouth shut.
Sorry.
Best regards,
Arthur
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MattPerformance

Quote from: Anon on July  7, 2022, 07:53So was the engine put in by Megillian Motorsport ?

Yes; the whole build was.

JB21

Don't even get me started on Megillian, guy is a whopper! Paid for a half cage back when I first got my 2 and he just totally blanked me once he had received payment. Took months to claim my money back. He done this to a few people at the time. Sure he still trades as well.

Zxrob

Anon

Man your having a time with it >:(

After 3 years of ownership, I have mine handling and feeling pretty good (imo), having done a couple of trackdays i'm more than happy with the feel of the car and the confidence in the bends, being a bog standard 1ZZ it gets hammered on the straights, ok frustrating, I have contemplated going down the 2zz route but hearing and reading some experiences, think I'll stick with me slow old girl

Rob
Adventure before dementia 😁

SuperArt

Quote from: JB21 on July  7, 2022, 09:26Don't even get me started on Megillian, guy is a whopper! Paid for a half cage back when I first got my 2 and he just totally blanked me once he had received payment. Took months to claim my money back. He done this to a few people at the time. Sure he still trades as well.

Lot of folk defending that chap saying he's got his hands full with work and personal life etc.
Load of rubbish. Shouldn't take any side jobs on if there isn't the extra resource/bandwidth to meet obligations to paying customers.
I had a low opinion of them as a business but after seeing their work here I have even lower opinion of them as an engineering outfit.
Best regards,
Arthur
Essex - "Always happy to meet up for a weekend drive"
Making demented squirrel noises since 2014
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