charge cooler install

kanujunkie · July 26, 2007, 17:54

sorry, been completely knackered after the last 6 days of slog. Firstly a huge thanks to Mark and Aaron for all their help with this, without them it wouldn't have happened, it turns out that a CC install aint as easy as we at first thought and is not far short of a turbo in time. The install of the parts wasn't too bad, just time consuming fabing up all the brackets, the nightmare is in the pipework, its like trying to get a football through a mousehole, not easy.

as for the gains, well its hard for me to say exactly as my intercooler was completely knackered, once we got it off we found 2 fairly sizeable holes in it and hence why i could only make 2-3psi on a normal run. Pre CC i was unable to touch the intake tract as it was so hot it would burn your hand, now i'm able to touch it and it feels cool to the touch. As for pressures, i'm back up to 5-6psi on the wastegate, it pulls like a train though, i hate to see what its going to be like with a tune and 10-12psi, grin territory galore s:twisted: :twisted: s:twisted:

i'll post piccies in a bit

kanujunkie · July 26, 2007, 19:41

turns out i didn't take anywhere near the photo's that i thought i did s:? :? s:?

PWR 4x10 Barrel chargecooler with some brackets welded on

the pump is a Bosch PA6 and is clamped on with an Austin Mini distributor clamp

the infamous can of WD40 is still in the car, just in a different location now

Header tank

Pump Location

Pre rad install

markiii · July 26, 2007, 19:44

well thats the hard pics stu

should be able to take loads more of teh finished install

Anonymous · July 26, 2007, 19:46

PMSL at the use of the WD40 still! s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

markiii · July 26, 2007, 19:48

you'll never guess who following last times missing silicone hose, forgot one this time as well :-) :-) :-)

aaronjb · July 26, 2007, 19:52

Crap, my fat gut got into another photo!

spit · July 26, 2007, 20:08

s:lol: :lol: s:lol:

Nice teaser pics Stu. Great to see you've found a new home for the can. s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

heathstimpson · July 26, 2007, 21:20

Roll on Mark's install s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Anonymous · July 26, 2007, 22:01

So, accepting your IC was creamed so a comparison is difficult, is a CC more efficient than an IC?

markiii · July 26, 2007, 22:03

hard one si

air to air s better if you can get airflow

air to water is better if you can't

on a roadster i'd say yes, though TTE do very well with an air to air

kanujunkie · July 26, 2007, 23:01

Quote from: "markiii"you'll never guess who following last times missing silicone hose, forgot one this time as well :-) :-) :-)

didn't forget them, they were ordered about 6 weeks ago, just the bloody company couldn't get their fingers out and deliver them, ironically they were sat on the door mat when i got home s:roll: :roll: s:roll:

last time i read up on CC's they were meant to be 50% more efficient than IC's btw Si

and heath, your IC is out of Marks 2 s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

**runs off to add a can of WD40 to the garage**

Anonymous · July 27, 2007, 17:02

Ta.

off topic. Was your boost gauge problem just a gauge problem Stu?

kanujunkie · July 28, 2007, 10:33

no, it was reading correctly but most of the boost pressure was p**sing out of the 2 holes in the intercooler.

Heat soak times with a CC seem to be around 20mins after that the boost seems to drop slightly and performance is limited slightly, intake temps seem to be very resonable still though although i havn't been able to get an exact reading on them yet

Anonymous · July 28, 2007, 19:46

Quote from: "kanujunkie"no, it was reading correctly but most of the boost pressure was p**sing out of the 2 holes in the intercooler.

Heat soak times with a CC seem to be around 20mins after that the boost seems to drop slightly and performance is limited slightly, intake temps seem to be very resonable still though although i havn't been able to get an exact reading on them yet

No, I can imagine it's difficult to hold a thermometer in the intake whilst roaring down a motorway, still I'm sure you'll find a way.
You're speaking a foreign language to me though, I'm afraid, one I will endeavour to learn...."heat soak times"...... is that when it reaches it's max temp?

northernalex · July 28, 2007, 19:56

Quote from: "Mister Rebel"
Quote from: "kanujunkie"no, it was reading correctly but most of the boost pressure was p**sing out of the 2 holes in the intercooler.

Heat soak times with a CC seem to be around 20mins after that the boost seems to drop slightly and performance is limited slightly, intake temps seem to be very resonable still though although i havn't been able to get an exact reading on them yet

No, I can imagine it's difficult to hold a thermometer in the intake whilst roaring down a motorway, still I'm sure you'll find a way.
You're speaking a foreign language to me though, I'm afraid, one I will endeavour to learn...."heat soak times"...... is that when it reaches it's max temp?

Yeah, the operating temperature.

Anonymous · July 28, 2007, 20:04

Ta Alex. I'll add that to the english/engineer dictionary. s:D

s:D

kanujunkie · July 28, 2007, 20:29

Quote from: "Mister Rebel"
Quote from: "kanujunkie"no, it was reading correctly but most of the boost pressure was p**sing out of the 2 holes in the intercooler.

Heat soak times with a CC seem to be around 20mins after that the boost seems to drop slightly and performance is limited slightly, intake temps seem to be very resonable still though although i havn't been able to get an exact reading on them yet

No, I can imagine it's difficult to hold a thermometer in the intake whilst roaring down a motorway, still I'm sure you'll find a way.
You're speaking a foreign language to me though, I'm afraid, one I will endeavour to learn...."heat soak times"...... is that when it reaches it's max temp?

you can take the info from the MAF, but i dont have the kit to do it s:(

s:( its the same piece of kit that Liz has, the gendan one. As for heat soak, its the build up of heat in the main block that the coolant system cannot get rid of. The build up of this heat hampers the performance of the engine. So no its not operating temp but the heat that increases the block temp away from the operating temp

northernalex · July 29, 2007, 01:43

Quote from: "kanujunkie"
Quote from: "Mister Rebel"
Quote from: "kanujunkie"no, it was reading correctly but most of the boost pressure was p**sing out of the 2 holes in the intercooler.

Heat soak times with a CC seem to be around 20mins after that the boost seems to drop slightly and performance is limited slightly, intake temps seem to be very resonable still though although i havn't been able to get an exact reading on them yet

No, I can imagine it's difficult to hold a thermometer in the intake whilst roaring down a motorway, still I'm sure you'll find a way.
You're speaking a foreign language to me though, I'm afraid, one I will endeavour to learn...."heat soak times"...... is that when it reaches it's max temp?

you can take the info from the MAF, but i dont have the kit to do it s:( s:( its the same piece of kit that Liz has, the gendan one. As for heat soak, its the build up of heat in the main block that the coolant system cannot get rid of. The build up of this heat hampers the performance of the engine. So no its not operating temp but the heat that increases the block temp away from the operating temp

Hence the system operating temp (of the system). 0th law of thermodynamics.

aaronjb · July 29, 2007, 10:27

Quote from: "kanujunkie"you can take the info from the MAF, but i dont have the kit to do it s:( s:( its the same piece of kit that Liz has, the gendan one. As for heat soak, its the build up of heat in the main block that the coolant system cannot get rid of. The build up of this heat hampers the performance of the engine. So no its not operating temp but the heat that increases the block temp away from the operating temp

Come round some time when you're free and we'll hook my laptop up to it - we can at least monitor the intake temperature.. What would be really good to know, though, would be the CC coolant temperature.

kanujunkie · July 29, 2007, 13:43

the intake temps dont seem to change much based on the good old palm test, they are still pretty damn cool even after a long run of 60 miles. Would be good to know the temps though so if its ok i'll take you up on that offer Aaron s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

can i get it through the e-manage link somehow?

spit · July 29, 2007, 14:05

Quote from: "kanujunkie"can i get it through the e-manage link somehow?

Unfortunately not, but you could always tap into E4 pin 22 (Yellow-Black) via the Boomslang. Thats the intake temp feed to ECU. Range is about 0.5 to 3.5 volts iirc. With a few temp references for scaling you could rig a gauge without having to go for the OBDII software.

Anonymous · July 29, 2007, 23:58

I'm probably going to go with a charge cooler in the next short while. Those of you who have gone down this route, how much did it work out price wise and where did ye get the coolers? chargecooler.co.uk or thor?

kanujunkie · July 30, 2007, 07:13

we used chargecooler.co.uk but the service was less than perfect shall we say. As for the cost i'm up to a the £730 mark for a 4x10 but you can drop that by £50 to £60 if you go for a slightly smaller barrell. Aaron found a company called "horsepower in a box", you could try them. if you want a complete parts list then i'll post it up tonight. You'll need 11-12m of hose rather than the 10m posted earlier

aaronjb · July 30, 2007, 09:25

Yeah - Horsepowerinabox.com have good prices on the barrels. They're in Australia, but I dealt with them when I got the turbos on the Nissan - helpful folks (at least they were then).

Everything else I'm getting on eBay (I was lucky and got an incredible deal on a proper Page chargecooler pre-rad, too).

markiii · July 30, 2007, 18:44

if you have patience tehre are silly deals on teh parts think mine is still under £400 budget at the mo