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Wabbitkilla

#25
August 21, 2012, 19:09 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
You can take it anywhere you like for an mot, this guy is a stunning con artist.

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FGrob

#26
August 21, 2012, 19:21 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "Steve Green"
Quote from: "ray835"now we've hung drawn n quartered and burned this chap at the stake......any idea's on how to get the emissions down too keep mr jobsworth happy  s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:    s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:

It's going to get worse. The point is though, in this case that a different tester, not told about precat issue, cannot tell wether the precat is there or not without dismantling parts. Today he cant do that.
It might be that if an MOT tester knew about the precat issue, and that if a CHE manifold were fitted, he could fail an MOT test as a standard Cat is clearly missing. The Test does not differentiate between Pre Cats or standard Cats.

Talk to the Motorcycle community they are up in arms over many of the limitations the new MOT is throwing up.

I think in this case the Original Tester was a little OTT, but reading the rules he has to work to, make his position difficult.
I think it all boils down to "what is a pre-cat" - it's certainly not your main cat as these are before it and are fitted within the manifold, so by fitting a none standard manifold you are not removing the main cat which is the what is being tested in the MOT.
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ray835

#27
August 21, 2012, 19:38 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
tbh sooner its sorted i can get back out on the road n the roof off before winter comes .....been that busy with work the 2 hasn't had much use this year.
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Steve Green

#28
August 21, 2012, 19:49 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
We are debating symantics and interpretation.
It's called a Pre Cat, (a Catalytic converter with another name) and was fitted as standard. So the reason for failure. A catalytic converter missing where one was fitted as standard is valid.
Just how the OP shoud proceed,is to find a friendly MOT tester who is prepared to accept the emissions numbers as proof of remedial work carried out.
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Anonymous

#29
August 21, 2012, 19:51 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Surely then, its the "pre" that matters?

Also we are debating semantics.

mrzwei

#30
August 21, 2012, 20:00 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Basically, the car either passes the emissions test or it doesn't, it's nothing to do with looking for 'cats'.
As Richard said, it could be a failed main cat or the engine may be burning too much oil, the mixture could be too rich or the MAF could need a clean or the O2 sensors could be faulty etc.
What would  I do? I'd put a code reader on it to see if there were any stored codes, I'd clean the MAF because it's easy and, as Totty said, thrash it a bit before the test and make sure they stick the probe up the pipe   s:scared: :scared: s:scared:   before the engine gets cold.
Good luck!
(If precats were an issue then most of the regulars on here would never pass an MOT).
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frogger

#31
August 21, 2012, 20:05 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Many of these threads go off topic to an extent, as it is VERY simple :

Take it somewhere else

The MOT tester is taking you for a ride. Simple as that.
It is also BS that you "can't take it anywhere else it's logged in on the vosa system as a failure".

Take it somewhere else, never look back to that garage, and live a happier life forever more.

Steve Green

#32
August 21, 2012, 20:11 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "M R 2"Surely then, its the "pre" that matters?

Also we are debating semantics.

Typo, sorry.

MOT test only says Catalytic Converter, and whether that is the first, second, pre, post or other is absolutely irrelevant.

These rules came into force in January 2012. Few MOT testers would be aware of the presence of the Pre Catalytic Converters on an MR2 so will pass a car on emissions only, otherwise the rules he must follow are clear.

This problem will get worse for motorcyclists and the car modification community at large as the legislators apply more and more restriction on what modifications can be legally carried out on a standard production vehicle.

This is the very tip of an iceberg that may come back and bite if the rules are applied retrospecively.

Every time I take my Kit car to a new MOT tester I have to show him the section that says my Zetec powered car is a visual only emission test!
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ray835

#33
August 21, 2012, 20:13 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
chicken or egg   s:lol: :lol: s:lol:    s:lol: :lol: s:lol:
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ray835

#34
August 21, 2012, 20:24 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
the maf sensor did come to mind ...the fuel economy on a long run is very good, went to scotland last year for our hols  at a steady 60mph was averaging 50-55 mpg which is good compared with the 4x4 which i only get 30mpg ....
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ray835

#35
August 21, 2012, 20:53 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
whats the best way to clean the maf sensor anyone...
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Anonymous

#36
August 21, 2012, 20:59 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest

ray835

#37
August 21, 2012, 21:08 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
cheers for that will give it a go ......just need to know we're to get some carb cleaner from now
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Jon_G

#38
August 21, 2012, 21:18 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
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stargazer30

#39
August 21, 2012, 21:24 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "Steve Green"MOT test only says Catalytic Converter, and whether that is the first, second, pre, post or other is absolutely irrelevant.

These rules came into force in January 2012. Few MOT testers would be aware of the presence of the Pre Catalytic Converters on an MR2 so will pass a car on emissions only, otherwise the rules he must follow are clear.

I was thinking this too and I hope I'm wrong.  The new 2012 MOT rules can depending on how you read them mean removing the pre cats is a fail.  99% of the time the MOT tester would not know the MR2 had them and would not check they are present so would just do an emissions test.
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ray835

#40
August 21, 2012, 21:26 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
tweeks is only down the road they should have some
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ray835

#41
August 21, 2012, 21:31 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "stargazer30"
Quote from: "Steve Green"MOT test only says Catalytic Converter, and whether that is the first, second, pre, post or other is absolutely irrelevant.

These rules came into force in January 2012. Few MOT testers would be aware of the presence of the Pre Catalytic Converters on an MR2 so will pass a car on emissions only, otherwise the rules he must follow are clear.

I was thinking this too and I hope I'm wrong.  The new 2012 MOT rules can depending on how you read them mean removing the pre cats is a fail.  99% of the time the MOT tester would not know the MR2 had them and would not check they are present so would just do an emissions test.
so everyone thats got a de-cat manifold is well stuffed next time they go for a test
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2 of the left

#42
August 21, 2012, 21:50 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Well the moral of the story is - Don't say a word about Precats - Have a fully warmed up engine as the 2 goes into test - Should it fail emission test then check/change the main cat- clean the MAF and go for Retest!! (Not necessarily in that order!!)  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
SI VIS PACEM PARA BELLUM!!

Anonymous

#43
August 21, 2012, 21:59 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Or find a really nice tester and **cough** buy them a drink

FGrob

#44
August 21, 2012, 22:05 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "stargazer30"
Quote from: "Steve Green"MOT test only says Catalytic Converter, and whether that is the first, second, pre, post or other is absolutely irrelevant.

These rules came into force in January 2012. Few MOT testers would be aware of the presence of the Pre Catalytic Converters on an MR2 so will pass a car on emissions only, otherwise the rules he must follow are clear.

I was thinking this too and I hope I'm wrong.  The new 2012 MOT rules can depending on how you read them mean removing the pre cats is a fail.  99% of the time the MOT tester would not know the MR2 had them and would not check they are present so would just do an emissions test.
Well lets see what happens in a couple of weeks time when I take mine to Toyota for it's normal MOT, no changes for the last three years to the exhaust sytem, so if anyone is going to pick up on it, I'm sure it will be Toyota - Don't you think
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ray835

#45
August 21, 2012, 22:09 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
will keep my fingers crossed for you ....  s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
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ray835

#46
August 21, 2012, 22:17 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
apparently a re-mapping is also an immediate fail ...
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FGrob

#47
August 21, 2012, 22:21 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "ray835"will keep my fingers crossed for you ....  s:crazyeyes: :crazyeyes: s:crazyeyes:
Toyota are more worried about scratching the car with the jack then anything else, in fact last year they changed the MOT jack so they could lift the car without causing any issues.

I've had an aftermarket manifold (Che then Zero) on my car for the last 6 1/2 years, even during it's warranty period it was never questioned, am I worried - well yes but that's only normal when you take any car for MOT.

Quote from: "ray835"apparently a re-mapping is also an immediate fail ....

Well that confirms the bloke is a complete  sarsehole arsehole sarsehole  then - you can't re-map a standard ECU, also how will he tell the car is fitted with a replacement ECU without removing all the rear box- not allowed according to the rules. This sounds more like a wind up than a person talking sense.
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ray835

#48
August 21, 2012, 22:44 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
the thing that peed me off it passed all the major safety checks with flying colours for it to be road worthy.......
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ray835

#49
August 21, 2012, 22:52 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
got the mapping and chipping info from another forum  m http://www.smartz.co.uk/showthread.php? ... -MOT-scope m
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