best place to get a v6 done

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maybeturbo

#25
October 4, 2014, 12:21 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Fair enough. Second dibs. It's actually not a bad idea. Any driver policies are way cheaper than you'd think too. All our work vehicles are any driver over 25.

swinglow81

#26
October 4, 2014, 14:08 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Well it my idea for the v8 pluss my car so I get it at least 2 weeks out the year lol

1979scotte

#27
October 4, 2014, 14:18 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
If we're using your car then fair play.

Are you seriously considering the V6 conversion?
I had a ride in one and loved it but if you look at the performance/£ a turbo makes much more sense.
Saying that a 2gr may cost something like 10k but its a bomb proof 325bhp from woodsport.
Would a 1zz turbo prove as reliable?
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loadswine

#28
October 4, 2014, 16:37 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I think its fairly safe to assume that modified cars generally will need keeping an eye on more than stock. Turbocharged Roadsters certainly aren't fit and forget, in my experience. I found the V6 took me a while to get set up how I wanted it, mainly due to being the first one, but once fettled, it was pretty reliable.
The V6 conversion, apart from the 2GR, is not about raw figures, as many turbos are more powerful ultimately and cost less for the bhp gain. Its about driveability and being able to enjoy it all the time, not just when giving it some beans.
 That won't appeal to everyone, but its my favourite, if I'm honest. Noise is a big part of the package.
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1979scotte

#29
October 4, 2014, 16:55 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Aurally IMO the 1zz lacks character something that a V6 would put to rights.
If money no object i would have a V6.
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swinglow81

#30
October 5, 2014, 12:12 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Yea Deco interested in doing it would prefure v6 to turbo as more reliable I'd think and the noise would be awesome but sadly the 2gr will be out as just bought new gaff ;( Scott I'm only down road from Bromley in Dartford so once it done u can join me in a spin mate

1979scotte

#31
October 5, 2014, 12:53 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Always up for a spin.
I don't want to say anything about reliability too tempt fate.
The joy of going V6 is that you can go FI afterwards if you want more power.
Think Tomos is going supercharger for his.
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swinglow81

#32
October 5, 2014, 13:13 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Awwwww super charged v6 that will sound the nuts. Haha good point don't want to jinx it

Anonymous

#33
October 6, 2014, 19:34 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
There's a trd supercharger on the bay. Perfect for the v6

1979scotte

#34
October 6, 2014, 19:53 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "rbuckingham"There's a trd supercharger on the bay. Perfect for the v6

Lead me not into temptation

Rich your a naughty boy

Maybe i'll just take a peek   s:wink: :wink: s:wink:
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swinglow81

#35
October 8, 2014, 16:44 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
This may now sadly have to go on hold due to house issues  s:( :( s:(

1979scotte

#36
October 8, 2014, 17:34 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Is that code for SWMBO said HOW MUCH?
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swinglow81

#37
October 8, 2014, 19:40 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Haha na mate ovens broke so while I got to replace it gonna do whole kitcken just temp set back plus she don't know be a nice surprise for her lol

MR TWO

#38
October 9, 2014, 15:55 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
What is the weight difference between a V6 and a turbo 1zz?
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1979scotte

#39
October 9, 2014, 16:26 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I've googled the weight difference  between 1zz 1mz 2gr 3sgte.
3sgte is heavier than the V6s i think.
1zz standard is somwhere around 50 kg lighter than 1mz.
Turbos vary depending on setup.

Try a Google search.
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1979scotte

#40
October 9, 2014, 16:50 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Remember the gearbox gets swapped and you gain weight there too.
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1979scotte

#41
October 9, 2014, 17:05 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
General engine weight info in lbs.

 m http://www.mr2.com/forums/archive/index ... 81951.html m

This is helpful for 1zz 2zz and 2gr info.

 m http://wiki.seloc.org/a/Toyota_engines#Basic_stats_4 m
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#42
October 10, 2014, 18:30 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
There's a great clip on u tube of 2zz turbo pretty much destroying all the yanks v8  in the states very wild  and with a turbo set up its always possible to upgrade as the funds come in .

1979scotte

#43
October 10, 2014, 18:35 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
A v6 isn't for outright power its for the experience so to speak. Reliability would possibly be better too.
If you want a 4 cylinder swap go for the Honda engines.
Vtec is different league to vvtil imo.
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ChrisGB

#44
October 10, 2014, 21:31 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
My feeling is try and speak to people who have had work done at the places you are contemplating. I go on the logic that a company that builds racing cars will make a well sorted and robust install.

The 2GR swap is going to cost more than some other V6 conversions and you will need a stronger gearbox for it. If I where going for a 1MZ, I would try and pick up the vvti version.

Turbo will be possibly cheaper and definitely lighter (my turbo setup weighed less than the stock setup), but you get lag. The V6 noise is nice, mind, I like how my turbo 1zz  setup sounded.

The other consideration is that once you start putting big boost into a 1zz,  the gearbox needs money spending on it too and even with the Jubu gear set you are limited in the amount of torque you can transmit, so the bigger power numbers are going to cost whichever way you do it.
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Wholedamnthing

#45
October 13, 2014, 10:53 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I've spoke to Woodsport and Rogue and both are extremely knowledgeable about the conversion. But price seems to be a factor between the two of them Woodsport coming in the better.
Although I've not needed a vast amount of information as yet Paul at Woodsport has been nothing but helpful when I have rung for information mostly regarding the breaking of the RX300 to gain my donor lump.
I'm no expert on this but as 1979scottie said the 3SGTE cast block is indeed heavier than the V6 1MZ-fe and you have 2 gearbox options the E153 which will handle lots of horses or the S54 which is lighter than the E153 and will handle the horses/torque  I will expect from my build.

If you want me to forward it I have a price list breakdown email from Rogue which I could send you. PM me you address if you like.
I'm pretty much sure although further away for me I will be visiting Paul Woods for my conversion.
Give both companies a call and have a chat it's well worth it.
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Alex Knight

#46
October 14, 2014, 17:08 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "1979scotte"Vtec is different league to vvtil imo.

Only really applies to K20A, which is a beast when tuned to be fair.

For me, 2ZZ > B18C. I have lots of ownership experience with both of these.

no1trancefan

#47
October 30, 2014, 08:30 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "Wholedamnthing"I've spoke to Woodsport and Rogue and both are extremely knowledgeable about the conversion. But price seems to be a factor between the two of them Woodsport coming in the better.
Although I've not needed a vast amount of information as yet Paul at Woodsport has been nothing but helpful when I have rung for information mostly regarding the breaking of the RX300 to gain my donor lump.
I'm no expert on this but as 1979scottie said the 3SGTE cast block is indeed heavier than the V6 1MZ-fe and you have 2 gearbox options the E153 which will handle lots of horses or the S54 which is lighter than the E153 and will handle the horses/torque  I will expect from my build.

If you want me to forward it I have a price list breakdown email from Rogue which I could send you. PM me you address if you like.
I'm pretty much sure although further away for me I will be visiting Paul Woods for my conversion.
Give both companies a call and have a chat it's well worth it.

could you send me a copy of the price list breakdown too please, hoping to get mine done next week and car be retired to weekend fun

cyclehead

#48
October 30, 2014, 10:29 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "ayresyboy"The 2GR adds 60 kgs over standard. So ideally need height adjustable suspension. Coilovers.
A V6 conversion requires an access panel under the soft top to get to the other side of the V. Bit more noisy in the cabin and soft top may not always pack down flush.  More power needs heavier clutch. Takes away the standard ease of driving...

I can offer my experience with USPSPro's 2GR swap.  I've put 60K miles on it since I bought it completed in 2010.  I came up with 200lbs added weight with the 2GR engine and S54 transmission.  It had a fierce clutch pedal when I got the car, but I have fixed that with an in-line pneumatic clutch booster.  I also installed an access panel on the rear shelf. It lies completely flat.  All the soft top parts are installed and work like factory.   It is a little fiddly to remove the package shelf and carpet to access the plate, but I only need to get in there infrequently to reach spark plugs or coils.  I'm not sure about suspension reuirements.  200lbs extra weight is no more than carrying one passenger, but of course a lowered and stiffer suspension does help handling the extra power (and speed!)   Mine has three catalytic converters so the exhaust note is very deep and quiet.   It sounds equal or even more quiet at low RPM than my stock 1zz spyder.  It does growl pretty good at wide open throttle due to the K&N intake tube.  For reliability comparison - I've never owned a turbo, but this V6 swap has 80,000 miles on it without any fiddling or repairs that I would blame on the swap.  In 60k miles I have only replaced one coil, and two axles.  The axles were cheapo aftermarket parts.  I replace the both with Toyota factory pieces (cost about 8x more than the ones that wore out).  Driveability is utterly fantastic.  It will accelerate smoothly and very strongly from 600rpm to redline.  I do passing in 5th gear at 3000rpm with plenty of acceleration.  Of course shifting down and punching it up to 5000rpm will get you up to illegal speeds very quickly.   I hope my first-hand experience helps.
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ayresyboy

#49
October 30, 2014, 12:48 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "cyclehead"
Quote from: "ayresyboy"The 2GR adds 60 kgs over standard. So ideally need height adjustable suspension. Coilovers.
A V6 conversion requires an access panel under the soft top to get to the other side of the V. Bit more noisy in the cabin and soft top may not always pack down flush.  More power needs heavier clutch. Takes away the standard ease of driving...

I can offer my experience with USPSPro's 2GR swap.  I've put 60K miles on it since I bought it completed in 2010.  I came up with 200lbs added weight with the 2GR engine and S54 transmission.  It had a fierce clutch pedal when I got the car, but I have fixed that with an in-line pneumatic clutch booster.  I also installed an access panel on the rear shelf. It lies completely flat.  All the soft top parts are installed and work like factory.   It is a little fiddly to remove the package shelf and carpet to access the plate, but I only need to get in there infrequently to reach spark plugs or coils.  I'm not sure about suspension reuirements.  200lbs extra weight is no more than carrying one passenger, but of course a lowered and stiffer suspension does help handling the extra power (and speed!)   Mine has three catalytic converters so the exhaust note is very deep and quiet.   It sounds equal or even more quiet at low RPM than my stock 1zz spyder.  It does growl pretty good at wide open throttle due to the K&N intake tube.  For reliability comparison - I've never owned a turbo, but this V6 swap has 80,000 miles on it without any fiddling or repairs that I would blame on the swap.  In 60k miles I have only replaced one coil, and two axles.  The axles were cheapo aftermarket parts.  I replace the both with Toyota factory pieces (cost about 8x more than the ones that wore out).  Driveability is utterly fantastic.  It will accelerate smoothly and very strongly from 600rpm to redline.  I do passing in 5th gear at 3000rpm with plenty of acceleration.  Of course shifting down and punching it up to 5000rpm will get you up to illegal speeds very quickly.   I hope my first-hand experience helps.

Thanks for sharing. Would love some photos of your access hatch/panel, exhaust system, clutch booster. Have you got a project page yet?
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