Suspension knacked. Options?

Started by shnazzle, April 2, 2015, 19:21

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Ardent

#25
April 3, 2015, 09:17 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "cptspaulding"I think, in our pursuit of bigger/better (engine, suspension, brakes) we begin to forget what an agile, nippy, cheap, little soft top runabout we have.
All things sorted & stock it's a cracking drive! Why chase rainbows? (Oh, dear... Time for bed, said Zebedee)

Spot on.  s:bowdown: :bowdown: s:bowdown:

Ardent

#26
April 3, 2015, 09:23 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
uote="shnazzle"]After a few discussions with dj2k21 it seems I might be happier with BC BH-RA coilovers. They're 684 from Larkspeed and offer 4/6 rates with rubber top mounts. So that might ease concerns about ride quality. A fair bit softer than 5/7 from MeisterR and trusted/known quality.

So now it's between refreshing stock with KYB or BC coilies[/quote]

Not sure how far you have got withbyour research re bc
but worth a look here. Bought my teins from here.

http://www.futuremotorsports.com/FULLY-ADJUSTABLE-SUSPENSION-KITS-copy-9580-copy-13340.html

shnazzle

#27
April 3, 2015, 09:27 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Wow they're cheap!
Can't seem to find the 4/6 spring rate variant  s:( :( s:(  Only on BC's own website
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Ardent

#28
April 3, 2015, 09:40 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
When discussing options eith him, tend to recall you/he can specify rates at time of order.
he suggested the softer option for road use.
Worth giving him a call.

EDIT don't forget the vat. Still cheapest i found when looking for sorings though.

1979scotte

#29
April 3, 2015, 10:13 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
My research suggested that BC were considered harder than Meister whatever the spring rate.
I perceive BC as more track biased. It's not all about springs damping plays it's part.
The honda and mx5 bous love meister from what i have read on their forums.
You need to try before you buy if you really are that worried.
I always had it in mind to sell them on if i didn't like them.
At the bargain price of 615 i don't think you can go wrong.
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Anonymous

#30
April 3, 2015, 11:19 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
If I used my car just on the road i would go with new kyb shocks and tein springs

shnazzle

#31
April 3, 2015, 11:25 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"If I used my car just on the road i would go with new kyb shocks and tein springs
See I was tempted for this, because it will be used for road 99% of the time. But then Tein springs lower it so much..

From what I gather, a full KYB and Tein replacement with new top mounts and rear drop links would set me back:
290+120+100+50=560. So then I'm not miles off the MeisterRs... Which seem to be ok for road use. And then there are people saying the BCs are peachy for road use too....

So confused.
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1979scotte

#32
April 3, 2015, 12:53 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
There will be an empty passenger seat a week on Sunday.
See what you think.
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Anonymous

#33
April 3, 2015, 16:42 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "shnazzle"
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"If I used my car just on the road i would go with new kyb shocks and tein springs
See I was tempted for this, because it will be used for road 99% of the time. But then Tein springs lower it so much..

From what I gather, a full KYB and Tein replacement with new top mounts and rear drop links would set me back:
290+120+100+50=560. So then I'm not miles off the MeisterRs... Which seem to be ok for road use. And then there are people saying the BCs are peachy for road use too....

So confused.

I had Tien on mine and it wasn't low. Just right in my opinion.

I wouldn't use BCs on a car that was 99% road...and I have a set on my car!

Scotte was in the same position as you and went for the meister, he is very happy with the ride quality.

Why do you want coilovers? What is it they offer that you will use over good shocks and springs?

shnazzle

#34
April 3, 2015, 17:36 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"
Quote from: "shnazzle"
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"If I used my car just on the road i would go with new kyb shocks and tein springs
See I was tempted for this, because it will be used for road 99% of the time. But then Tein springs lower it so much..

From what I gather, a full KYB and Tein replacement with new top mounts and rear drop links would set me back:
290+120+100+50=560. So then I'm not miles off the MeisterRs... Which seem to be ok for road use. And then there are people saying the BCs are peachy for road use too....

So confused.

I had Tien on mine and it wasn't low. Just right in my opinion.

I wouldn't use BCs on a car that was 99% road...and I have a set on my car!

Scotte was in the same position as you and went for the meister, he is very happy with the ride quality.

Why do you want coilovers? What is it they offer that you will use over good shocks and springs?
The fact that it's a one stop shop for a full suspension refresh, instead of having to get mounts, struts, springs, etc.
And also for the fact that I am quite aware of the car's handling and feedback and I am secretly after some improvements in feedback, stability and  damping even for the drives I do.

Luckily I don't encounter harsh roads. But I do think the 5/7 with pillowball mounts, in combination with my tyre of choice (AD08),it will be too harsh.
4/6 with rubber top mount and easy on damping seems to be a decent compromise.

Also, and almost one of the most important features... Increased ride quality without a big drop. Optimally I would want to run stock or near stock height.

Just got a quote for BCs I can't refuse, so hey ho... Worst case scenario, I hate them and put up until someone will take them off me.

I have had 40mm drop eibach springs on a previous (heavier) car with 19" alloys. So im no stranger to harsh-ish rides
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cabbydave

#35
April 3, 2015, 17:39 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "mrzwei"
Quote from: "cptspaulding"I think, in our pursuit of bigger/better (engine, suspension, brakes) we begin to forget what an agile, nippy, cheap, little soft top runabout we have.
All things sorted & stock it's a cracking drive! Why chase rainbows? (Oh, dear... Time for bed, said Zebedee)

According to Toyota, that was exactly the point of the design and the same idea was marketed for the GT86, the spiritual successor.
I managed to ruin an old mk1 Sprite by upgrading the 948cc A series to a 1500 MGA engine. I turned a nippy little sports car into a dragster despite uprating the front suspension.  I would have done it differently now though and just have tuned the 948 because big gains were possible. It's easy to destroy the concept.
I had a 1275 midget and had the spax conversion on it and 165 70 tyres what a different car that made it turned it into a go kart

mulaz

#36
April 3, 2015, 17:47 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
My vote is for Tein springs & KyB shocks
I use my car everyday and they are just right for road use.
Fit and forget with the right amount of drop   s:D :D s:D
Slowly replacing all the old parts for new parts so that one day i will end up with a brand new car !   s]

shnazzle

#37
April 3, 2015, 17:54 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
"right amount of drop" is rather subjective. I do see a fair few speed bumps. I've spoken to enough people now to know the drops Tein give you do cause trouble.
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mulaz

#38
April 3, 2015, 18:10 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
if you straddle any speed bump in a low car or quickly then you are always going to ground the underside
But in 9 months since fitted i have never had any problems with speed humps as i always ride up slowly and if possible run
up on one side.

If you are that worried they why not go the other way . but you will compromise handling

 
Slowly replacing all the old parts for new parts so that one day i will end up with a brand new car !   s]

shnazzle

#39
April 4, 2015, 18:32 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Purchased 4/6kg BC coilovers with rear rubber top mounts.

Worst case... Someone on here will get a good deal for 2nd hand coilies  s:) :) s:)
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stavros58

#40
April 5, 2015, 09:25 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
I have no idea about Camskill suspension parts but I did buy a full set (4) of discs and pads nearly 5 years ago from Camskill for £128 about the price of one disc from Toyota although I have changed the pads of course the discs are still going strong which does quite frankly amaze me. The service was good as well.
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shnazzle

#41
April 5, 2015, 10:49 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "stavros58"I have no idea about Camskill suspension parts but I did buy a full set (4) of discs and pads nearly 5 years ago from Camskill for £128 about the price of one disc from Toyota although I have changed the pads of course the discs are still going strong which does quite frankly amaze me. The service was good as well.
I bought the same set on my previous 2, unfortunately my local garage was kind enough to fit the rears wrong so I had to replace the rears again. Fun.

Camskill don't have top mounts. I could have sworn they did
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shnazzle

#42
April 10, 2015, 16:28 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
BC's are an absolute treat! On softest setting with 4/6 it's like stock but more composed on bumps. On hardest setting it's simply unbearable on public roads.. For track it would be good.
Have it set about 15mm lower than stock.. May drop it a bit more
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Wabbitkilla

#43
April 10, 2015, 16:39 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
See, you doubted... But they're ace  :-) :-) :-)
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shnazzle

#44
April 10, 2015, 16:40 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"See, you doubted... But they're ace  :-) :-) :-)
You speak many truths Nic. I'm very glad I went for 4/6 though
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Anonymous

#45
April 10, 2015, 16:52 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Glad your pleased with them!

Full geo set up now?

shnazzle

#46
April 10, 2015, 17:12 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "Meeerrrk"Glad your pleased with them!

Full geo set up now?
Yup!
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1979scotte

#47
April 10, 2015, 18:18 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Everybody thinks coilovers are to stiff but they aren't mine are 5/7 and not on the softest setting even.
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shnazzle

#48
April 10, 2015, 19:31 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "1979scotte"Everybody thinks coilovers are to stiff but they aren't mine are 5/7 and not on the softest setting even.
Well, to be honest I think for longer drives I will appreciate the 4/6 springs on full soft. I don't think I'd want harder. So, personally, I'd not go for 5/7kg. But, no they aren't anywhere near as harsh as I thought. In fact,  our old Leon on Eibach sportline 40mm drop springs was harsher when the BCs are on soft.
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1979scotte

#49
April 10, 2015, 19:53 Last Edit: January 1, 1970, 01:00 by Guest
Quote from: "shnazzle"
Quote from: "1979scotte"Everybody thinks coilovers are to stiff but they aren't mine are 5/7 and not on the softest setting even.
Well, to be honest I think for longer drives I will appreciate the 4/6 springs on full soft. I don't think I'd want harder. So, personally, I'd not go for 5/7kg. But, no they aren't anywhere near as harsh as I thought. In fact,  our old Leon on Eibach sportline 40mm drop springs was harsher when the BCs are on soft.

Your not even the first person this week to tell me hot SEATs are a bit harsh.
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