Red Exhaust Plume

Started by 1979scotte, June 8, 2015, 07:02

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1979scotte

My car is an 06 with an SP240 turbo kit fitted by matt performance.

Having driven to Ding Day with Tom following behind he noticed a red plume of dust exciting my exhaust at high revs.
When we got to tweeks the water was low and the oil possibly too.
Had a look at the plugs they seemed fine and there was no MAYO deposits on the oil cap.
Power seems unaffected engine revs cleanly but the turbo seems to be making a whine which makes it sound more like a supercharger.
Also last week when checking the oil i noticed rust at the top of the dipstick, it was also very hard to remove and the oil seemed a bit sticky. This now seems fine.
Water was used on the return trip from tweeks over 200 miles.

Some ideas were put forward at ding day just wondered if anybody had something to add or experienced similar.
This must have begun recently because i attend a lot of events and nobody has noticed anything before.

Cheers
Scott
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Anonymous

#1
Red an odd colour, was it on the over run at high revs or just constant at high revs?

1979scotte

#2
I think it happened whenever the revs got above 5-6k but it could have been on the over run.
Think it happened less on lower power map. Am assuming that was due to less pressure through the turbo?
It's a ball ache whatever. Trying to move house so can do without.
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1979scotte

#3
Btw it's more of a rust orange colour.
My coolant is pink too.
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tomaky

#4
Its definitely a rust colour, did you try revving on the full boost map im guessing it stayed.
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Wabbitkilla

#5
Has the car been sat unused for any length of time?

It's very odd, not something I've come across before.
I can only think something is up in the turbo housing
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#6
Quote from: "Wabbitkilla"Has the car been sat unused for any length of time?

NB miles would suggest not. What kinda duration are you thinking?
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Wabbitkilla

#7
Ah yes of course. Was just wondering if there was a coolant leak and it had pooled for a while in a casting. The plugs suggest the burn is good, it just sounds like a more mechanical problem turbo side. I think I would be taking the exhaust off and checking for play in the spindle and physical signs of distress.
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Wabbitkilla

#8
I had a look around a few other forums too and info is scarce and inconsistent. One guy had a cylinder not firing, another had fuelling problems. Another just had rusty internals in the exhaust.
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1979scotte

#9
Further investigation is obviously required.
It can sit a whole week without use but then will be taken a fair few miles.
Ding day this weekend obviously and bex hill last weekend.
Had done 55k when i bought it think it is on 67k now.
My biggest issue is this whining from the turbo wasn't there before.
Of course it could be all Toms fault he cleaned my MAF which wasn't wasy compared to a stock car.
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Wabbitkilla

#10
From what you've said so far I would aim for checking the turbo out, focussing on the spindle and seals.
Remember the dirty side of the turbo is cast iron, so obviously a willing source for red iron oxide.
If it's whining it sounds like a seal is failing,  a bearing is dry, or the spindle bearings are failing.

Either way you really need to find out before driving it any further as you can image a spindle becoming unbalanced will case compressor blades to catch the housing sending metal debris into the engine intake.
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tricky1138

#11
I've had a quick look around but don't have much experience of turbos but everything I've read points to a problem with the turbo. Possible seal or crack in the housing.

The other issue could be a blocked coolant return line, which would force the coolant into the housing.


As I said on Saturday, if you're loosing coolant, its either leaking out to the floor, or leaking into the engine!
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1979scotte

#12
God can't someone be positive and tell me I'm worrying about nothing and that it is perfectly normal to top up coolant every day as well as having rust flying out of your exhaust. :'(

As always thanks for all the advice.
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1979scotte

#13
Oh and if possible can somone find a way of at least finding tom partly responsible.
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#14
Quote from: "1979scotte"Oh and if possible can somone find a way of at least finding tom partly responsible.
He touched it least, that must count for something in terms of pointing the finger of blame!

Btw, it will be alright. There just may be some <coughs> small investment required.
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1979scotte

#15
If the engine has swallowed a turbine blade immense investment may almost cover it.
Anyone up for a bank job or diamond heist?

It's got to be Tom's fault i wouldn't do half as many miles if it wasn't for him.
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tricky1138

#16
If Toms been anywhere near it then it's bound to be his fault!    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

Oh no he's been near mine, it's going to break too!    s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
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Joesson

#17
Quote from: "1979scotte"Anyone up for a bank job or diamond heist?


Probably best not to use your 2 for the get away!  s:wink: :wink: s:wink:

Wabbitkilla

#18
Just be glad Tom wasn't "driving" it!
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loadswine

#19
I'm happy to have a good look at it once I get back from holiday Scott. Might be an idea to remove the turbo pipes for a look at workings on both sides.
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1979scotte

#20
Everyone is on holiday in my hour of need.  s;) ;) s;)
Thanks Nigel.
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Anonymous

#21
It be fine Scott just look at it as turbo upgrade time.

Topdownman

#22
Scott, you are worrying about nothing and that it is perfectly normal to top up coolant every day as well as having rust flying out of your exhaust.

Seriously though, you just need to work out how to do blue and white too. It works for the red arrows.....

Hope I have helped.
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Quote from: "tricky1138"If Toms been anywhere near it then it's bound to be his fault!    s:shock: :shock: s:shock:  

Oh no he's been near mine, it's going to break too!    s:scared: :scared: s:scared:
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1979scotte

#24
Quote from: "Topdownman"Scott, you are worrying about nothing and that it is perfectly normal to top up coolant every day as well as having rust flying out of your exhaust.

Seriously though, you just need to work out how to do blue and white too. It works for the red arrows.....

Hope I have helped.

At last someone with a proper engineering degree who knows what they're talking about I'm fully relieved.
Thanks Simon
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