'01 Silver - The daily commute smile machine! (Turbo build)

[Carolyn]

With the front bumper off, we can tow it with our A-frame.

Ooh right? Didn't realise you had one!
Yeah I can totally do that... Thank you Carolyn :-)

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Belay taking the bumper off.  I just realised it's Motorway camera all the way these days.  Towing that far on a motorway with an A frame would be a certain bust!.. I've done it before, but it was a few years back!

Let's cast around for the use of a trailer??

[jvanzyl]

Ah! Right... Yeah no worries... Worst case I can rent one..I know Miles mentioned I could borrow his at some point... Will try and see if it's still about..

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[Joesson]

Only just caught up with this
So sorry to hear your bad news John particularly after all your hard work.
But I think the meaning of Jason's words together with your spirit will see this through.

[jvanzyl]

Only just caught up with this
So sorry to hear your bad news John particularly after all your hard work.
But I think the meaning of Jason's words together with your spirit will see this through.

Thanks hey - yeah my next theoretical slot for working on the car is next Wednesday lunchtime..

Done some research and I can hire a trailer for roughly £80:
https://gttowing.co.uk/product/small-medium-brian-james-car-trailer-4.0m-x-1.8m-13ft-1quot-x-5ft-11quot-ct3/
And my S4 is suited to the job and my licence is good - I can tow a max of 3500kg. The Audi is 1600, MR2 is 1000 and the trailer is likely unlikely to be more than 900.
ao if I needed to get it somewhere I could - I guess it'll come down to figuring out what actually the problem is and then the options really...

• put in my old oil burning 1ZZ
• put in another rebuilt 1ZZ
• go down the 2ZZ route
• go down another engine route
• strip it for all the parts and then use the money to buy back in - this is incredibly unlikely

[Carolyn]

I've a pretty fair idea of what happened - but it's a guess until it's opened up.

I'm fairly confident (by what you have described) that the engine is properly goosed.

Decide what you want to do. 

We can pop your old one back in real quick , or I could pick one up from Deano for not a lot of money.

In my workshop, with the lift, we don't need to drop the subframe, we can do it the easiest way, because the car can be raised over the subframe and most of the exhaust.

With three of us on it, it won't take very long.

The idea would be to get you up and running quickly, then other options can be explored at more leisure.

If you want to go for another rebuild, that needs to be accomplished before you bring the car here. I don't want a 'dead' car sitting around.

If you want to go 2ZZ, that's another kettle of fish!!

[tomaky]

I can help with this. I've 2 engines in the garage. Ones popped but might only be a bearing the others in bits but it's loverly! Happy to donate to the cause. Does this mean I have to bring a engine to ding day in the passenger seat?

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[mikek]

Not got John. If there is anything to do to help I will.  I have a running engine here if you want it, again it has patchy history but it does run.

[Chilli Girl]

I'm so sorry to read this John. Do hope it's salvageable.

[jvanzyl]

I'm so sorry to read this John. Do hope it's salvageable.

I can help with this. I've 2 engines in the garage. Ones popped but might only be a bearing the others in bits but it's loverly! Happy to donate to the cause. Does this mean I have to bring a engine to ding day in the passenger seat?

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Not got John. If there is anything to do to help I will.  I have a running engine here if you want it, again it has patchy history but it does run.

Thanks folks..  I really do appreciate the well wishes and condolences.. 
Thank you as well for the offers of the spare engines - I think the main thing currently is to not "knee jerk" just to get it back up and running, I'm going to attempt to see this as opportunity to consider my position, pray about it and then step out in which ever way that ends up being.

Whilst I'm doing this "non- knee jerking" I'm going to read about K20's and 2ZZ's (these seeming to be the only other engine options that are reasonably well documented so as to make them viable) and enjoy window shopping and perusing co-part and imagining what "could be"..

I do have a question on brakes though - on my drive I found that on first depression the brake pedal would travel almost all the way down and very little braking would occur, upon immediate second depression of the pedal it would firm up and behave normally... is this down to the rust etc and build up on the discs or was there possibly something else not right?

Thanks again to all 

[1979scotte]

FYI a 1mz swap is cheaper and more common than K20.
I've never even seen one in the metal.

[jvanzyl]

FYI a 1mz swap is cheaper and more common than K20.
I've never even seen one in the metal.

whoa.. really? 

I guess it's the documentation part of it then - I'd love the idea of it, but would ideally want to do it myself - (bitterly regretting not buying ChrisGB's car and doing the 2GR into it) got any links to any decent documentation as to what is properly required? I had the notion that everything had to be done custom...

[tomaky]

If I did a proper mr2 I'd probably 2gr hehe

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[jvanzyl]

I've a pretty fair idea of what happened - but it's a guess until it's opened up.

I'm fairly confident (by what you have described) that the engine is properly goosed.

Decide what you want to do. 

We can pop your old one back in real quick , or I could pick one up from Deano for not a lot of money.

In my workshop, with the lift, we don't need to drop the subframe, we can do it the easiest way, because the car can be raised over the subframe and most of the exhaust.

With three of us on it, it won't take very long.

The idea would be to get you up and running quickly, then other options can be explored at more leisure.

If you want to go for another rebuild, that needs to be accomplished before you bring the car here. I don't want a 'dead' car sitting around.

If you want to go 2ZZ, that's another kettle of fish!!

Thanks Carolyn 

I'll take off the rocker cover and take a peak at the timing as I'm guessing that'll be the most informative part... I'm going to wait till Wednesday to try and form an opinion on what to do, and then work around your and the rest of the gang (jonbill et al) availability and the normal life schedule to try make it up to you if that's the route I go down...

[1979scotte]

FYI a 1mz swap is cheaper and more common than K20.
I've never even seen one in the metal.

whoa.. really? 

I guess it's the documentation part of it then - I'd love the idea of it, but would ideally want to do it myself - (bitterly regretting not buying ChrisGB's car and doing the 2GR into it) got any links to any decent documentation as to what is properly required? I had the notion that everything had to be done custom...

For a 1mz you need engine mounts which headcase can sort a gearbox from a Mk2 and a donor car like an rx300.

[jvanzyl]

FYI a 1mz swap is cheaper and more common than K20.
I've never even seen one in the metal.

whoa.. really? 

I guess it's the documentation part of it then - I'd love the idea of it, but would ideally want to do it myself - (bitterly regretting not buying ChrisGB's car and doing the 2GR into it) got any links to any decent documentation as to what is properly required? I had the notion that everything had to be done custom...

For a 1mz you need engine mounts which headcase can sort a gearbox from a Mk2 and a donor car like an rx300.

plus an ECU of some description, notch the subframe... what about driveshafts? It sounds suspiciously simple... I'm going to have to go through @Topdownman  and @Jrichards20s threads to pick through stuff....

[1979scotte]

FYI a 1mz swap is cheaper and more common than K20.
I've never even seen one in the metal.

whoa.. really? 

I guess it's the documentation part of it then - I'd love the idea of it, but would ideally want to do it myself - (bitterly regretting not buying ChrisGB's car and doing the 2GR into it) got any links to any decent documentation as to what is properly required? I had the notion that everything had to be done custom...

For a 1mz you need engine mounts which headcase can sort a gearbox from a Mk2 and a donor car like an rx300.

plus an ECU of some description, notch the subframe... what about driveshafts? It sounds suspiciously simple... I'm going to have to go through @Topdownman  and @Jrichards20s threads to pick through stuff....

Drive shafts are stock.
Ecu comes with donor car.
Splice into 1zz ecu for dash.
It's much harder than that but bet its much cheaper than K20.
In fact a 2gr swap is probably cheaper than K20.

[jvanzyl]

Huh... I do like the sound of the V6....it would need to be the 220 version..
But you're also talking more shenanigans with exhaust header etc.. but I guess that's almost normal these days...

I'm going to enjoy reading up more on this

[tricky1138]

Only just caught up with this
So sorry to hear your bad news John particularly after all your hard work.
But I think the meaning of Jason's words together with your spirit will see this through.

Thanks hey - yeah my next theoretical slot for working on the car is next Wednesday lunchtime..

Done some research and I can hire a trailer for roughly £80:
https://gttowing.co.uk/product/small-medium-brian-james-car-trailer-4.0m-x-1.8m-13ft-1quot-x-5ft-11quot-ct3/
And my S4 is suited to the job and my licence is good - I can tow a max of 3500kg. The Audi is 1600, MR2 is 1000 and the trailer is likely unlikely to be more than 900.
ao if I needed to get it somewhere I could - I guess it'll come down to figuring out what actually the problem is and then the options really...

• put in my old oil burning 1ZZ
• put in another rebuilt 1ZZ
• go down the 2ZZ route
• go down another engine route
• strip it for all the parts and then use the money to buy back in - this is incredibly unlikely

Firstly so sorry to hear this John, after all the work you've done. I do hope something better will come out of this.

I see you mentioned getting a trailer if you do need to transport it somewhere.

Please double check what you can tow, as it's not as simple as you think.  I've done towing for work and voluntarily and it's a complete minefield.

By you mentioning 3500kg max, I'm guessing you passed your test after Jan 1997, so whilst you are correct that you can tow 3500kg, that is the max authorised mass (or MAM) in English,  that's the maximum weight of fuĺly loaded car plus fully loaded trailer.

With the trailer above the max weight of it is 2600kg. Whilst the MR2 and trailer combo would be nowhere near that, that's what you also need to look at.

Also, there is the maximum towing weight that your car can tow. I'm sure the S4 is more than powerful enough to tow it, but legally (Not checked 100%) but some  can only tow 1400kg? Even with the lightest of trailers, think you will be over.

Best thing I can think of is to find someone with a bigish 4x4 and either a pre 1997 test, or who has a trailer test, to tow it for you.

Really hope you understand that, as I said it's quite complicated,  but get pulled over and it's points and fines!   

[1979scotte]

Huh... I do like the sound of the V6....it would need to be the 220 version..
But you're also talking more shenanigans with exhaust header etc.. but I guess that's almost normal these days...

I'm going to enjoy reading up more on this

The vvti version is preferred and the few extra bhp it brings to the party but I would rather talk about the 209 ftlb of torque that no na 4 pot is going to get close to.

[jvanzyl]

Only just caught up with this
So sorry to hear your bad news John particularly after all your hard work.
But I think the meaning of Jason's words together with your spirit will see this through.

Thanks hey - yeah my next theoretical slot for working on the car is next Wednesday lunchtime..

Done some research and I can hire a trailer for roughly £80:
https://gttowing.co.uk/product/small-medium-brian-james-car-trailer-4.0m-x-1.8m-13ft-1quot-x-5ft-11quot-ct3/
And my S4 is suited to the job and my licence is good - I can tow a max of 3500kg. The Audi is 1600, MR2 is 1000 and the trailer is likely unlikely to be more than 900.
ao if I needed to get it somewhere I could - I guess it'll come down to figuring out what actually the problem is and then the options really...

• put in my old oil burning 1ZZ
• put in another rebuilt 1ZZ
• go down the 2ZZ route
• go down another engine route
• strip it for all the parts and then use the money to buy back in - this is incredibly unlikely

Firstly so sorry to hear this John, after all the work you've done. I do hope something better will come out of this.

I see you mentioned getting a trailer if you do need to transport it somewhere.

Please double check what you can tow, as it's not as simple as you think.  I've done towing for work and voluntarily and it's a complete minefield.

By you mentioning 3500kg max, I'm guessing you passed your test after Jan 1997, so whilst you are correct that you can tow 3500kg, that is the max authorised mass (or MAM) in English,  that's the maximum weight of fuĺly loaded car plus fully loaded trailer.

With the trailer above the max weight of it is 2600kg. Whilst the MR2 and trailer combo would be nowhere near that, that's what you also need to look at.

Also, there is the maximum towing weight that your car can tow. I'm sure the S4 is more than powerful enough to tow it, but legally (Not checked 100%) but some  can only tow 1400kg? Even with the lightest of trailers, think you will be over.

Best thing I can think of is to find someone with a bigish 4x4 and either a pre 1997 test, or who has a trailer test, to tow it for you.

Really hope you understand that, as I said it's quite complicated,  but get pulled over and it's points and fines!   

Hey Tricky - thanks for that....
As far as I know the maximum towing weight is actually 1800 according to the below link:
http://www.uktow.com/towing%20capacity.asp?make=Audi&model1=S4
Yeah I passed in 2001 - but I'm interested to know how I would exceed 3500?

S4 weighs 1600
MR2 weights 1000
Total is 2600 leaving 900kgs till I get to 3500?

But with the maximum towing weight being 1800 - that would mean that the max trailer weight could actually only be 800kgs? So as along as I've gotten a trailer under that I'm good right?

[tricky1138]

Only just caught up with this
So sorry to hear your bad news John particularly after all your hard work.
But I think the meaning of Jason's words together with your spirit will see this through.

Thanks hey - yeah my next theoretical slot for working on the car is next Wednesday lunchtime..

Done some research and I can hire a trailer for roughly £80:
https://gttowing.co.uk/product/small-medium-brian-james-car-trailer-4.0m-x-1.8m-13ft-1quot-x-5ft-11quot-ct3/
And my S4 is suited to the job and my licence is good - I can tow a max of 3500kg. The Audi is 1600, MR2 is 1000 and the trailer is likely unlikely to be more than 900.
ao if I needed to get it somewhere I could - I guess it'll come down to figuring out what actually the problem is and then the options really...

• put in my old oil burning 1ZZ
• put in another rebuilt 1ZZ
• go down the 2ZZ route
• go down another engine route
• strip it for all the parts and then use the money to buy back in - this is incredibly unlikely

Firstly so sorry to hear this John, after all the work you've done. I do hope something better will come out of this.

I see you mentioned getting a trailer if you do need to transport it somewhere.

Please double check what you can tow, as it's not as simple as you think.  I've done towing for work and voluntarily and it's a complete minefield.

By you mentioning 3500kg max, I'm guessing you passed your test after Jan 1997, so whilst you are correct that you can tow 3500kg, that is the max authorised mass (or MAM) in English,  that's the maximum weight of fuĺly loaded car plus fully loaded trailer.

With the trailer above the max weight of it is 2600kg. Whilst the MR2 and trailer combo would be nowhere near that, that's what you also need to look at.

Also, there is the maximum towing weight that your car can tow. I'm sure the S4 is more than powerful enough to tow it, but legally (Not checked 100%) but some  can only tow 1400kg? Even with the lightest of trailers, think you will be over.

Best thing I can think of is to find someone with a bigish 4x4 and either a pre 1997 test, or who has a trailer test, to tow it for you.

Really hope you understand that, as I said it's quite complicated,  but get pulled over and it's points and fines!   

Hey Tricky - thanks for that....
As far as I know the maximum towing weight is actually 1800 according to the below link:
http://www.uktow.com/towing%20capacity.asp?make=Audi&model1=S4
Yeah I passed in 2001 - but I'm interested to know how I would exceed 3500?

S4 weighs 1600
MR2 weights 1000
Total is 2600 leaving 900kgs till I get to 3500?

But with the maximum towing weight being 1800 - that would mean that the max trailer weight could actually only be 800kgs? So as along as I've gotten a trailer under that I'm good right?

I wasn't sure what model yours was,  so quoted 1400 nearly as an example.

Yes in theory if you can find a trailer weighing under 800kg with  a max authorised weight of 1800 you should be ok.

Again, as you also see on that website, it mentions 85%. Whilst not law, the guideline is that you should not tow more that 85% of the weight of the vehicle to prevent the trailer trying to push the car around whilst driving, and having been in an accident where the trailer tried to overtake the towing vehicle before tipping over, it's not  a nice place to be!

[jvanzyl]

ah ok - thanks for that though.. in all honestly I'd be creeping along at 55 on the motorway with the biggest stopping distance possible and going as slow as humanly possible when doing residential... I'm in no rush these days..

Thanks for the help!

[tricky1138]

ah ok - thanks for that though.. in all honestly I'd be creeping along at 55 on the motorway with the biggest stopping distance possible and going as slow as humanly possible when doing residential... I'm in no rush these days..

Thanks for the help!

No worries.  Just had issues with trailers in the past and didn't want you to fall foul of it.

With a bit of a  search, looks like you can get a 1600kg trailer with a 1200kg payload (ie 400kg trailer weight) which would tick all boxes! Now just to find one for hire. Try looking under "lightweight " car trailers. 

[Joesson]

John wrote:
  I do have a question on brakes though - on my drive I found that on first depression the brake pedal would travel almost all the way down and very little braking would occur, upon immediate second depression of the pedal it would firm up and behave normally... is this down to the rust etc and build up on the discs or was there possibly something else not right?

That sounds like air in the system and it needs bleeding.

[jvanzyl]

John wrote:
  I do have a question on brakes though - on my drive I found that on first depression the brake pedal would travel almost all the way down and very little braking would occur, upon immediate second depression of the pedal it would firm up and behave normally... is this down to the rust etc and build up on the discs or was there possibly something else not right?

That sounds like air in the system and it needs bleeding.

ah! Excellent! That IS on the list of things to learn how to do...thank you for that!