Stage 1 or 2, decisions, decisions...

[Call the midlife!]

After spending far too much time looking at conflicting information, including direct from MWR I'm still unsure which way to go with the upgrades?
Understand the stage one drop straight in (buckets notwithstanding) and the ECU will cope with them etc no problem.
BUT.. if I'm going to the effort of swapping cams then I'm inclined to go for the stage 2 (with uprated springs obviously).
So bearing in mind the soon to arrive Emanage Blue can I live with a rough idle from the stage 2s until such time as I go to Greggs?
And will I get much more from the stage 2s to actually make it worth the extra cost of the springs, bearing in mind the cams are the same price either way.
For additional information I'm also looking at a bored throttle body, possibly 2zz injectors and pushing out through the Zero and 200 cell cat.
1zz...

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[michaelb]

I've just installed a 2zz with stage 2 cams built by Lee at se7en motorsport. I've also installed a standalone ecu, changed my intake and built a custom straight through exhaust. It's still being worked on but the cams definitely are worth it. The lower end grunt really makes a difference.

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[Call the midlife!]

I've just installed a 2zz with stage 2 cams built by Lee at se7en motorsport. I've also installed a standalone ecu, changed my intake and built a custom straight through exhaust. It's still being worked on but the cams definitely are worth it. The lower end grunt really makes a difference.

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Appreciate the input, sadly doesn't help with my decision as I'm 1zz but can't edit my title..[emoji23]
It's more needing experience of the stage 2 cams without standalone, I don't think the Emanage can alter the timing/vvt.


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[michaelb]

Well I was told it would make a big difference with my 2zz even with still using the Celica ecu. The idle just needed changed to 1k-1.2k rpm to avoid a rough idle.

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[Call the midlife!]

I can live with a rough idle as long as it runs! [emoji38]


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[1979scotte]

What is the ultimate goal here?
Are you looking long term to build an extreme NA 1zz like Bernie or Tommyzoom?
Or are you just looking for a bit more poke?

[shnazzle]

FYI there is an idle rpm limit for mot

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[michaelb]

What is it?

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[michaelb]

I just looked up the test and can't see anything other than emissions at idle

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[Call the midlife!]

FYI there is an idle rpm limit for mot

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MOT is due December so I'll be getting that out of the way before I make all the changes, give myself plenty of time to get everything sorted before the next one..[emoji851]


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[Call the midlife!]

What is the ultimate goal here?
Are you looking long term to build an extreme NA 1zz like Bernie or Tommyzoom?
Or are you just looking for a bit more poke?

Was taking my lead from Bernie's in the first instance, falling short of Tommyzoom. Essentially wanting to put some power back to offset the extra weight I've added [emoji23]


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[shnazzle]

1500rpm is the max they're allowed to rev to pass HC tests.

A lot of this is user discretion though.... Rpm isn't logged

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[Call the midlife!]

1500rpm is the max they're allowed to rev to pass HC tests.

A lot of this is user discretion though.... Rpm isn't logged

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Err? I'm not slinging a Hyabusa motor in! [emoji38]


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[Call the midlife!]

So CAN I sling the stage 2s in with the standard ECU and hope the Emanage will sort out the fuelling with a half decent map? I know the harness is modified for open loop but essentially that means little to me at the moment, until it arrives and I have a read of the paperwork.


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[michaelb]

I would have thought it would be fine mate.  If you're unsure, Lee at Se7en is great with advice, give him a call. He thought I'd be using the 2zz with stage 2 cams off the stock ecu, so it must be possible

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[Call the midlife!]

I would have thought it would be fine mate.  If you're unsure, Lee at Se7en is great with advice, give him a call. He thought I'd be using the 2zz with stage 2 cams off the stock ecu, so it must be possible

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Yeah, I keep thinking about giving them a bell but they're really busy at the moment, not far away from me either I don't think.


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[shiny]

Interesting read.... I am going down the N/A route too.

I have fitted MWR header and 200cell cat along with maxbore throttle body
fox dual exhaust,next I have stage 1 Cat cams to be fitted in the next couple of
months.
I am looking at Apexi management? Will be interested in the mentioned Emanage
results above though.

As I am doing the work I have a new cam chain kit to fit too.

[shnazzle]

Apexi is always going to be better. Emanage is quite basic. Pfc is a standalone. It can adjust valve timing etc. Won't get interference from the stock fueling feedback loops

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[Call the midlife!]

Interesting read.... I am going down the N/A route too.

I have fitted MWR header and 200cell cat along with maxbore throttle body
fox dual exhaust,next I have stage 1 Cat cams to be fitted in the next couple of
months.
I am looking at Apexi management? Will be interested in the mentioned Emanage
results above though.

As I am doing the work I have a new cam chain kit to fit too.

Sounds good, I'll be interested to hear your opinions on the Catcams cams, I've read a lot of bad things about them so going with Crower.
The Apexi is a better system than the Emanage for this purpose, so you're ahead of me there already.[emoji38]


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[shiny]

Bad things about Cat Cams!! Enlighten me please?

I have read the Cat Cams are a little more eggressive than crower.

[Call the midlife!]

Bad things about Cat Cams!! Enlighten me please?

I have read the Cat Cams are a little more eggressive than crower.

Issues with poor quality and fitment and poor customer service when things go wrong, people receiving cams that won't run etc. All I did was Google catcams and found more bad news than good, which was a shame as they're cheaper and I could probably get discount as well!


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[michaelb]

You're best going to someone who is well known and respected for their workmanship and experience. Lee at Se7en is a top bloke and knows his stuff.

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[Call the midlife!]

You're best going to someone who is well known and respected for their workmanship and experience. Lee at Se7en is a top bloke and knows his stuff.

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Agreed. Cheers again.


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[shiny]

I bought these through Fensport???

Just googled crower problems too!

[Call the midlife!]

I bought these through Fensport???

Yup, that was to have been my purchase route as I can get discount at Fennsport through the Driver's Club.
Hey, it's only stuff I've read on the internet and so should probably be taken with a pinch of salt, I mean who asks a bunch of people on the internet for advice? [emoji23]
Yours could be perfect and run like a dream.


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