True Weight

[Zxrob]

Ok, out of curiosity, whats the true weight of a bog standard roadster

Journo,s keep mentioning around a 1000kg, manual says 1200kg, V5 says different

So, weight is ?

Rob

[pistol pete]

I weighed mine at work so i knew where the start point (racecar)

With full interior Facelift Red edition 1/3 of tank soft top and hardtop fitted, no driver comes to 1040KG

The 1200kg on you v5 will be the weight of a 80% fuel tank and a driver (i did a lot of investigation on weights when looking for a tow car) Its know as mass in service

[Petrus]

Ok, out of curiosity, whats the true weight of a bog standard roadster

Journo,s keep mentioning around a 1000kg, manual says 1200kg, V5 says different

So, weight is ?

Rob

The confusion is three-fold.
First not all cars weigh the same; model year, gearbox, options.
Then the norms for weighing differ. Over here the vehicle weigh in the registration doc is road ready with spare, tools and tanked up.
Then there´s that journalists will write what they are fed. Véry rarely do they visist a weighbridge.
My 2002 with smt and airco scored 1065 kgs. on the vehicle doc and that can be taken for fact.

Later years add bracing, twin fogs front, heavier OEM rear wheels, alarm added, spoiler, style bar, styling plastics whatever adds up.
All in all 1200 should be easily possible without mentioning the TTE turbo.

[Petrus]

The 1200kg on you v5 will be the weight of a 80% fuel tank and a driver (i did a lot of investigation on weights when looking for a tow car) Its know as mass in service

90 kilo?

Your 1040 for a FL with soft and hard top seems light but hey your weighed.

I weighed mine after slimming; 900 kilos with 10 kg fuel and the windscreen washer bottle full (my bad).

[Zxrob]

I weighed mine at work so i knew where the start point (racecar)

With full interior Facelift Red edition 1/3 of tank soft top and hardtop fitted, no driver comes to 1040KG

The 1200kg on you v5 will be the weight of a 80% fuel tank and a driver (i did a lot of investigation on weights when looking for a tow car) Its know as mass in service

Good man

I know about mass in service, depends I suppose how folks read things, Parkers guide class it has 1030kg

Rob

[pistol pete]

I weighed mine at work so i knew where the start point (racecar)

With full interior Facelift Red edition 1/3 of tank soft top and hardtop fitted, no driver comes to 1040KG

The 1200kg on you v5 will be the weight of a 80% fuel tank and a driver (i did a lot of investigation on weights when looking for a tow car) Its know as mass in service

Good man

I know about mass in service, depends I suppose how folks read things, Parkers guide class it has 1030kg

Rob

I found parkers guide to be useless when checking weights for towcars against what they say on th v5..
Mass in service was what i was looking at..

[pistol pete]

The 1200kg on you v5 will be the weight of a 80% fuel tank and a driver (i did a lot of investigation on weights when looking for a tow car) Its know as mass in service

90 kilo?

Your 1040 for a FL with soft and hard top seems light but hey your weighed.

I weighed mine after slimming; 900 kilos with 10 kg fuel and the windscreen washer bottle full (my bad).

Yep defo 1040!, weighted at work on a calibrated bridge
that was in full road going mode

[Petrus]

Bottom line is:

The vehicle doc is official, is correct; you just need to know what is included.

Weighing it yourself on a certified bridge you also know waht you weigh.

The rest, internet, magazines, ... whatever you think it it is.

[Call the midlife!]

Mine weighs 1020kg in normal, road going trim with an assortment of tools and crap I just can't live without and around a quarter tank of fuel. Add another 100kg or so with me in it.

[Petrus]

Yep defo 1040!, weighted at work on a calibrated bridge
that was in full road going mode

I have a calibrated bridge accross the road.
Weighed it as I use it on the road. Was a bit dissappointed not to get 890 ;-) Empty water bottle, running on fumes would have nudged it :-) Would have weighed the same though.

[Petrus]

Mine weighs 1020kg in normal, road going trim with an assortment of tools and crap I just can't live without and around a quarter tank of fuel. Add another 100kg or so with me in it.

Here can´t live without the airco. A heavy buggah but tant pis.

[pistol pete]

No air con in mine!!
thats the things best way is to weigh your own car. every car is slightly different

[Ozzy]

My PFL weighed in at 1010kg with no spare wheel, aftermarket exhaust, downpipe and a subwoofer.

Pretty close to the figure listed by Parkers website which is 1030kg. It's usually pretty good with it's figures.

[JB21]

Bloody forgot to weigh mine at Oulton Park last week. I've had to replace the 3kg race battery with a heavy standard battery adding a massive 10kg, also had to add back the OE backbox which has added an addition 3kg over the Cobra quad pipe. And with the addition of a T45 6 point cage I reckon mine will be over 1000kg now.

[Chriss]

950KG with a hard top, weight at the Irish MOT. Based on what you guys are saying maybe this is wrong, I will know in a month at the next test.

[1979scotte]

I have weighed both my roadsters.
Even the V6 only weighed 1070kg before supercharger and extra braces.
My turbo was 1050 or something like that.
Anything from 950 for an early pfl no aircon to 1050 late fl aircon smt

[Johnny5]

ISTR the quoted weight of the PFL is 975kg, and the late 2002 "2003 model" FL is 1030kg.  Then, in late 2003, for the "2004 model", an extra 10kg of bracing was added, taking the standard weight, minus options and mods, to 1040kg.

My 2006 model, which rolled out the factory with heated (a few kgs?) red leather seats (a few more?) presumably therefore weighed 1045-7ish(?).  Until, that is, I added a hardtop and fitting kit.  So, I'm now up to around 1077ish.

Further options which add weight include aircon - what do you reckon, 10ish kgs?, TTE exhaust and manifold - maybe another ten?, TTE style bar, rear spoiler, body kit and turbo kit- lord knows.  So, the most optioned non-modified cars out there probably weigh  north of 1150kg with a third of a tank and no driver.

With mods, the sky's the limit, really.  Wheels are reckoned to add about a kg per corner every time they increase by an inch.  So, 17s all round add about 6 kg.  Then there's aftermarket turbo and supercharger conversions, V6 engine conversions, real roll bars, powerful sound systems etc etc.

And, at the other end of the scale, there've been some interesting threads on these pages over the years about weight saving. Removal of storage bins and doors, hood and frame, stereo, carpets, door cards, passenger seat, foam inside bumpers(!), front plastics, spare wheel.  Plus, substitution of various items for lighter weight alternatives: alloys, battery, driver's seat, exhaust, carbon fibre frunk and boot lids, even air in the tyres can be swapped for lightweight gas.

So, the difference between the most optioned, most modded FL car and the most stripped down, weight saving PFL car must be around 300kg or more.

[1979scotte]

I'll try again.
My 06 aircon turbo was around 1050.fact.

My pfl 1mz V6 weighed 1070 before supercharger and other mods with half tank of fuel. Fact.

These cars were cornered weighted not put on the scales at your local tip or scrap yard.

The heaviest roadster I've ever seen was LeeHs 3sgte conversion with e153 transmission. Probably followed by @ChrisGB 2gr swap with e153. Not sure what they weighed but id be surprised if they were 1200kg.

[Petrus]

I'll try again..... Not sure what they weighed but id be surprised if they were 1200kg.

The previous one was not thát lunatic Scotte.

As I wrote:
- the vehicle registration weight is correct
- weighing on calibrated bridge is correct
In both cases what was included or not is the crux.

The later models with options will indeed have gone towards 1200 kilo depending how it is weighed; with full tanks p.e.
You could add the smt too; heavy buggah.
The weight of in car entertainment btw is not to be overlooked either.

It is all relative tough as óther cars with the same extras weigh even more. The ZZW30 báse is none too heavy; stárts with a weight advantage. So ceterus paribus maintains that advantage.

I will add documented proof of mine a bit later ...

[Call the midlife!]

It's a game of attrition really, I started with a very early PFL, very standard with fabric trimmed seats.
Over the years I've added weight with extra bracing, style bar, FL leather seats etc but also reduced it with suspension and exhaust mods without going to the extremes of stripping out trim to save a few kg here and there.
Although I think there's a couple of cds in the glovebox I could probably ditch, not to mention the chrome HVAC trims I've been carrying around since last Ding Day.

[1979scotte]

I believe the Germans have the best system. Car + half tank fuel = kerb weight. The euro system include 70kg driver. Stupid I weigh 105kg and you all weigh different.
Some manufacturers list dry weight. Stupid can't drive it dry.

Most aftermarket exhausts help you loose weight.
If you ditch the fl stereo and go single din mech less you loose weight.
Obviously some people add subs and amps and hard tops but then if you do stuff like that why worry about the weight.

Perhaps I was humpy yesterday and I have been meaning to weigh my car in its current configuration for ages. Mine will be one of the heaviest out there with engine gearbox charger bracing style bar.

[Petrus]

Official weight of mine; with full tank:






After slimming down on the weighbridge, 10 kg of fuel, windscreen washer topped up:

[Zxrob]

Some manufacturers list dry weight. Stupid can't drive it dry.
 

This was true of most motorcycle manufacturers for many years, weights were given as "dry weight", no oils, fluids and even the battery was excluded, my 2005 Kawasaki zx6r has a dry weight of 164kg and a curb mass of 192kg, now days they all go by curb weight

Rob

[Ardent]

Official weight of mine; with full tank:






After slimming down on the weighbridge, 10 kg of fuel, windscreen washer topped up:

You must be chuffed with that.
Burn a litre of screen wash and depending how accurate the scales are, you would be sub 900. 1 litre of water = 1kg.

[Petrus]

You must be chuffed with that.
Burn a litre of screen wash and depending how accurate the scales are, you would be sub 900. 1 litre of water = 1kg.

Top up the fuel and it´s above again.
Yes, I am very chuffed; 900 kilos is a neat number.