Still can't bring myself to fit my meisters....

[Topdownman]

Wise words.

If I was doing it again, it would be low power turbo that would be what I looked at.

[1979scotte]

Wise words.

If I was doing it again, it would be low power turbo that would be what I looked at.

Let's assume that young Josh also agrees as he sold his V6 only months after getting it done.

Bleak indeed.

They are serious fun and pretty quick up there with a 2.7 boxster I reckon.
When they work.

[Iain]

Not sure why anybody wants to try and improve the handling on these cars. Sure they sit a bit high, and lowering them is fine but in the real world, on real roads, 90% of the time, Mr T got it spot on.

Even had mine on track, and i will track it again.

I had all the plans in mind when i bought it, stiffen this, change that, coilovers etc. By the end of my first track day all this had gone. The car was exactly what i wanted when i bought it, cheap fun.

[1979scotte]

Not sure why anybody wants to try and improve the handling on these cars. Sure they sit a bit high, and lowering them is fine but in the real world, on real roads, 90% of the time, Mr T got it spot on.

Even had mine on track, and i will track it again.

I had all the plans in mind when i bought it, stiffen this, change that, coilovers etc. By the end of my first track day all this had gone. The car was exactly what i wanted when i bought it, cheap fun.

I would always like to improve the car.
Problem is its not easy to better it out of the box.
Apart from bracing which improves the car immensely especially if you have an early model.

Coilovers.
Everyone has different opinions.
I like my MeisterR but would prefer more compliance on the worst roads.
I agree that good fresh stock suspension is hard to beat especially on an otherwise unmodified car.
I'm surprised you don't want it a bit stiffer for track tbh.

[Iain]

Maybe in the future if i really get into the track days i would look further into making it stiffer, for now its fine for what i want.

Like you mention, hard to beat out of the box.

[Roj]

I noticed a post on Faceache today about D2 coilovers for the Mk3. It mentioned custom spring rates, so I enquired as to whether they tune the valving to suit changes in spring rates. The answer... "The valving is altered on the coilover itself, they're fully adjustable." :facepalm:

Not the sort of people I want to buy suspension from.

[Dev]

I noticed a post on Faceache today about D2 coilovers for the Mk3. It mentioned custom spring rates, so I enquired as to whether they tune the valving to suit changes in spring rates. The answer... "The valving is altered on the coilover itself, they're fully adjustable." :facepalm:

Not the sort of people I want to buy suspension from.

 From what I understand the D2 might be a better version but the same body as the BC.  Some say they are worse. 
 There are a lot of manufactures that use the BC Coilovers as a base and then add their own flair and marketing to sell close to the same product. There are others that modify the internals to make them better for street use.
 If they advertise something like 32 point of adjustment it is a giveaway that its not worthy of your time, stay with stock or just save up for quality suspension where the body of the shock contains the shock oil without the use of cartridges. 

[Roj]

I noticed a post on Faceache today about D2 coilovers for the Mk3. It mentioned custom spring rates, so I enquired as to whether they tune the valving to suit changes in spring rates. The answer... "The valving is altered on the coilover itself, they're fully adjustable." :facepalm:

Not the sort of people I want to buy suspension from.

 From what I understand the D2 might be a better version but the same body as the BC.  Some say they are worse. 
 There are a lot of manufactures that use the BC Coilovers as a base and then add their own flair and marketing to sell close to the same product. There are others that modify the internals to make them better for street use.
 If they advertise something like 32 point of adjustment it is a giveaway that its not worthy of your time, stay with stock or just save up for quality suspension where the body of the shock contains the shock oil without the use of cartridges. 

Tbh I anticipated the response that they wouldn't tune the damper to suit changes in spring rates. I wanted to see if they would offer it as an additional cost service or if they could even just give the impression they knew what they were talking about. They're just a store though, it wasn't actually D2 themselves so perhaps their HQ would have more knowledge.

Interesting re: the use of similar/same components. Makes sense, they're all similarly priced and spec'd.

I agree mostly with 'clicks don't equal quality', however, I've noticed some of the quality manufacturers are also offering similar features on their units lately. It's possible they don't have the same range of adjustment but I wonder if they're having to pander to the crowd as buyers who don't know better equate clicks to likes.

Has anyone seen this previously? Prices for the lower end kit are obviously higher than the typical BC/MeisterR kits but not too far away from KW or Tein: www.raceshocks.uk Coilovers Buyer's Guide

[Dev]

I noticed a post on Faceache today about D2 coilovers for the Mk3. It mentioned custom spring rates, so I enquired as to whether they tune the valving to suit changes in spring rates. The answer... "The valving is altered on the coilover itself, they're fully adjustable." :facepalm:

Not the sort of people I want to buy suspension from.

 From what I understand the D2 might be a better version but the same body as the BC.  Some say they are worse. 
 There are a lot of manufactures that use the BC Coilovers as a base and then add their own flair and marketing to sell close to the same product. There are others that modify the internals to make them better for street use.
 If they advertise something like 32 point of adjustment it is a giveaway that its not worthy of your time, stay with stock or just save up for quality suspension where the body of the shock contains the shock oil without the use of cartridges. 

Tbh I anticipated the response that they wouldn't tune the damper to suit changes in spring rates. I wanted to see if they would offer it as an additional cost service or if they could even just give the impression they knew what they were talking about. They're just a store though, it wasn't actually D2 themselves so perhaps their HQ would have more knowledge.

Interesting re: the use of similar/same components. Makes sense, they're all similarly priced and spec'd.

I agree mostly with 'clicks don't equal quality', however, I've noticed some of the quality manufacturers are also offering similar features on their units lately. It's possible they don't have the same range of adjustment but I wonder if they're having to pander to the crowd as buyers who don't know better equate clicks to likes.

Has anyone seen this previously? Prices for the lower end kit are obviously higher than the typical BC/MeisterR kits but not too far away from KW or Tein: www.raceshocks.uk Coilovers Buyer's Guide

I checked out the PDF. It was well written and its interesting to see active options now other than what has been offered by TEIN.

  There are some areas of distinction that was left out that I think are important. There is no consideration into what makes an ideal coilovers for the street and researched sets.  This is where Tein, KW and the like becoming distinctly different particularly the sets they make for primarily street use. Im sure they can manufacture a great set by trial and error though road testing and subjective interpretation but nothing beats having engineers use sophisticated  equipment like the OEM designing suspension where the body of the shock is custom made for the application than throwing together available parts.

The article makes some good points regarding some of the goals of suspension. 
 

Good suspension setup will provide confidence in the car which will always lead to performance gain.

    One of the things I often read about regarding  stiffness and track use is often misguided. 
    There is
    1. stiff but well dampened. think Ohlins
    2. stiff not well dampened. BC
    3. Firm well dampened  KW V3, Cusco Zero 2
    4. Soft un-dampened. tired OEM suspension.
    5. Soft dampened. KYB replacements
 
    This has a lot to do with low speed damping as far as comfort but even for a set of race suspension they will be far more comfortable on the road than the cheap Taiwanese coilovers for one simple reason and that is more shock oil. When they say BCs are more track oriented that is the furthest thing from the truth as they don't do anything particularly well.

It would be nice if they made a fixed researched set for our car for street use. Its too bad KYB did not make a performance version of their damper or a company like Bilstein that makes them for other makes. It would have sold very well and would have been the right product and cost for 90% of us.

[Roj]

I have emailed raceshocks.uk asking for clarification on their pricing structure, yet to hear back.