Desperate measures

[Petrus]

Right, still had NitrousOxide on the slow backburner but there simply is no practical way to get a bottle (re)charged here. End of.

So we have the supercharger/turbocharger thwarted by hmogation, the e-charger thwarted by lack of functionality, NOS by supply issues leaving the worst of all; chemical charging:

https://ktperformance.net/i-18323122-snow-performance-nitro-booster.html

or alternatively abusing the methanol/water injection for 25%  nitromethane RC fuel 

Possible to feed proportionally from the MAF or TPS.

  

[Ardent]

So many posts, threads cross posts, rabbit holes.

Apologies if we have been down this path before. I just cannot remember.

But does the TUV documentation count for nothing in terms of turbo homogation. Appreciate may only count if its a tte system.

Sure some EU based members have presented the docs and been accepted.

[Petrus]

It ís ALL possible Jason; 2ZZ, Turbo, Mini supercharger et al.
The homologation will be 1000 - 1500 íf there are no snags.
TTE turbo is max 500€ red tape. Plus those kits are old ánd old tech.

As per a different thread, Wilwood calipers is 850+ €

Ónly a TüV ABE (general use permission) needs an official garage install, inspection and stamp only.

NitroMethane ís a fuel and thus prohibited. Same thing water/methanol injection. Methanol is a fuel thus NoNo.
Realistically the nitromethane is irresponsible even in mý book.

NOS is odd because it is not a fuel. You can drive with it in the car if not connected but even a part install will not pas periodic inspection if noticed.
So NOS with push to connect fitting to the bottle would be fringe legal.
I´d prefer this but... Unless I miraculously find a workable solution for the charge it is a NoGo.

So, I am having a bit of fun doing calculations with 25% nitromethane. It is surprisingly feasable and even economical as a power adder availeble from any RC model shop. Just not safe. Tis but a detail :-)

Is what you get wíth confinement and withoút things to delete; the effect of the washer bag has worn out :-(
If I could source a cheap windscreen I´d already be busy with making my own one in plastic.

[Dev]

Since you are after ever little bit have you considered the crank scraper. Its good for a few proven horsepower and torque and keeping the oil in the sump. There are no downsides to this and it will pass inspection because no one can see it.
 Even though its not that much of a change its not that expensive all things considered. Some people go though all sorts of trouble to knife edge the crank for a similar effect.

[Petrus]

Good suggestion Dev.
Certainly safer than NOS or nitromethan for sure. Lighter too :-)

Will drop Kevin a line about shipping.
Taxes (on price plus shipping) will be a PITA but hey it is what it is.

Sent.

[Dev]

Good suggestion Dev.
Certainly safer than NOS or nitromethan for sure. Lighter too :-)

Will drop Kevin a line about shipping.
Taxes (on price plus shipping) will be a PITA but hey it is what it is.

Sent.

I can tell you that I did feel a slight improvement, not much but enough to know that it's there. Like all power mods I got use to it and forgot that it's there.  The sad thing about adding power is you get use to it. Good suspension on the other hand never gets old.   

[1979scotte]

Good suggestion Dev.
Certainly safer than NOS or nitromethan for sure. Lighter too :-)

Will drop Kevin a line about shipping.
Taxes (on price plus shipping) will be a PITA but hey it is what it is.

Sent.

I can tell you that I did feel a slight improvement, not much but enough to know that it's there. Like all power mods I got use to it and forgot that it's there.  The sad thing about adding power is you get use to it. Good suspension on the other hand never gets old.   

Until it wears out.

[Petrus]

I live in driver´s heaven Dev. It really is lighweight roadster country. You can very, véry rarely use all the power and even then hardly ever in the same manner.
Ok,I can nail it getting on the highway but that I find more of a nuisance than fun.
It is all twisty and hilly to very mountainous. Nible is the key here and speeds are in general very moderate. Power basically never is the limit of corner speed. Add the seasons and it is hardly ever is a repeat of the same; very enjoyable indeed. The rare occasion you cán use all the horses on tap on the twisties it always is a surprising joy because there is not só much that it bites you.
I am sure I´d appreciate that marginal bit of extra responsiveness. Hope I can make it work out.

[Petrus]

Just read;

Crankcase pressure control in an internal
combustion engine: GT-Power simulation
Marco Fogliarino
University of Windsor, fogliar@uwindsor.ca

and it is as hard a confirmation for the effectiveness of an oil scraper / windage tray as you can get short of back to back ceterus paribus dyno runs.

[Dev]

I find the perception of speed better than the dangers of speed.
Take for instance my friends Ferrari 308 which is slow by todays standards but why wasn't it slow by 1976 standards. It wasn't and it is still exciting to drive. These newer insulated heavy cars with so much horsepower makes it impossible to enjoy unless you are driving 8/10 which makes them dangerous and unusable.

I'm in no way implying this car couldn't use more power but there came a time when I had to step back and enjoy the drive realizing  that although it's not the fastest in a straight line, it's just about faster than everything else in the corners which is far more fun.

[Ardent]

it's not the fastest in a straight line, it's just about faster than everything else in the corners which is far more fun.

That simple.

[Petrus]

I am still not used to how well it now follows the line, stays on inside, even when the fronts are a bit over the traction hump. The combo lightweight/sportivo/whitelines/Enkeis/bracing/AD08Rs and pas delete is very véry quick through corners and the buckets allow me to only stéér with the wooden hoop.

I have done so much racing and rallying on tracks/closed roads that I find is REAL difficult to detach going real fast from taking the ideal line, to change the chip to staying on my side only.
Currently re-teaching myself to trust the current set up to take tighter, narrower lines.
Think Isle of Man mountain bit, now make the corners blind so you can only use your half.

Also illustrates why I like the smt. One thing less to worry about. Just whack the stick and  keep the concentration on the line.

Think I´ll try to put the car on the weighbridge next week. Should be around 885 kg.
Yes; carries as much more corner speed as it is lighter.
Illustrates why I think I nééd the crankcase thingy ;-)

Going to do some modelling again. Maybe I can set the rear arb a notch stiffer still. Or maybe I should wait till I can do some larger routes...

[Dev]

 Except for cost the crank scraper is one of the only true free lunch modifications that also increases the reliability. No consequence which is rare for a modification.

[1979scotte]

I find the perception of speed better than the dangers of speed.
Take for instance my friends Ferrari 308 which is slow by todays standards but why wasn't it slow by 1976 standards. It wasn't and it is still exciting to drive. These newer insulated heavy cars with so much horsepower makes it impossible to enjoy unless you are driving 8/10 which makes them dangerous and unusable.

I'm in no way implying this car couldn't use more power but there came a time when I had to step back and enjoy the drive realizing  that although it's not the fastest in a straight line, it's just about faster than everything else in the corners which is far more fun.

You've got a 2zz haven't you?

[1979scotte]

it's not the fastest in a straight line, it's just about faster than everything else in the corners which is far more fun.

That simple.

And you've got a turbo.

[Petrus]

Lóve your observations Scott 

[1979scotte]

Lóve your observations Scott 

I think everyone who's commented on this thread agrees that the key to the roadster is its handling yet we've all increased the power in some way or are looking too.

[shnazzle]

Lóve your observations Scott 

I think everyone who's commented on this thread agrees that the key to the roadster is its handling yet we've all increased the power in some way or are looking too.

Mine's stock  

But then I ruined my handling as well so... 

.. I'll shut up

[Petrus]

Lóve your observations Scott 

I think everyone who's commented on this thread agrees that the key to the roadster is its handling yet we've all increased the power in some way or are looking too.

I am ok with the power for all but that odd occasion that I am stuck behind an e-boosted SUV. Too wide to barge past going into a corner and out of it you cannot keep up. Zénnnnnn is the saviour and not a biggy, just a ´want´.
As observed many times, prefer a lightweigt bonnet/bootlid/windscreen.

[1979scotte]

Lóve your observations Scott 

I think everyone who's commented on this thread agrees that the key to the roadster is its handling yet we've all increased the power in some way or are looking too.

I am ok with the power for all but that odd occasion that I am stuck behind an e-boosted SUV. Too wide to barge past going into a corner and out of it you cannot keep up. Zénnnnnn is the saviour and not a biggy, just a ´want´.
As observed many times, prefer a lightweigt bonnet/bootlid/windscreen.

And yet you've spent several threads talking about power adders......

[Petrus]

And yet you've spent several threads talking about power adders......

...but that should be a piece of cake to understand my dear Scott: I want to both have ánd eat my cake ;-)

[Petrus]

Found a breaker with a windshield in one piece still in the car.
Finger crossed it is not silly priced.
Then cross them for Covid allowing to collect it.
Want to use it as model/mould to make my own one in plastic.

[Dev]

I find the perception of speed better than the dangers of speed.
Take for instance my friends Ferrari 308 which is slow by todays standards but why wasn't it slow by 1976 standards. It wasn't and it is still exciting to drive. These newer insulated heavy cars with so much horsepower makes it impossible to enjoy unless you are driving 8/10 which makes them dangerous and unusable.

I'm in no way implying this car couldn't use more power but there came a time when I had to step back and enjoy the drive realizing  that although it's not the fastest in a straight line, it's just about faster than everything else in the corners which is far more fun.

You've got a 2zz haven't you?

 I do and initially it was fun but like all things power it started to feel sluggish again. It wasn't sluggish I just wanted more because I got use to it. This same thing happened to a friend of mine that added a turbo at around the same time. Initially we felt the power was ridiculous but as time went on it felt sluggish to him so he upped the boost. When I drove it, I felt it was too much car but not to my friend. Eventually at meets he would offer a temporary trade of sorts with another owner that had bone stock car for a stretch of road. I asked him why and he said that in a way he preferred stock power because it was more relaxing to drive.
 Since that time I have driven many other cars that owners wanted me to evaluate. If the car was in good shape I felt that although it is clearly slower than my 2ZZ in a straight line however the fun factor was still there making power not as important as it is with other cars.

 I do have to admit that my suspension is far more radical than stock which makes it more car but I would be just as happy with a stock car if that was all that I had because it is still a rewarding drive where you have plenty of room to improve on your skills as a driver.


 

[shnazzle]

I find the perception of speed better than the dangers of speed.
Take for instance my friends Ferrari 308 which is slow by todays standards but why wasn't it slow by 1976 standards. It wasn't and it is still exciting to drive. These newer insulated heavy cars with so much horsepower makes it impossible to enjoy unless you are driving 8/10 which makes them dangerous and unusable.

I'm in no way implying this car couldn't use more power but there came a time when I had to step back and enjoy the drive realizing  that although it's not the fastest in a straight line, it's just about faster than everything else in the corners which is far more fun.

You've got a 2zz haven't you?

 I do and initially it was fun but like all things power it started to feel sluggish again. It wasn't sluggish I just wanted more because I got use to it. This same thing happened to a friend of mine that added a turbo at around the same time. Initially we felt the power was ridiculous but as time went on it felt sluggish to him so he upped the boost. When I drove it, I felt it was too much car but not to my friend. Eventually at meets he would offer a temporary trade of sorts with another owner that had bone stock car for a stretch of road. I asked him why and he said that in a way he preferred stock power because it was more relaxing to drive.
 Since that time I have driven many other cars that owners wanted me to evaluate. If the car was in good shape I felt that although it is clearly slower than my 2ZZ in a straight line however the fun factor was still there making power not as important as it is with other cars.

 I do have to admit that my suspension is far more radical than stock which makes it more car but I would be just as happy with a stock car if that was all that I had because it is still a rewarding drive where you have plenty of room to improve on your skills as a driver.

I can totally empathise with that.

Turbo is great but a stock car is such a much more comfortable, smooth, stable ride.

We have mine and Helen's stock sable and hers is an absolute pleasure to drive. Just as Toyota intended. Just Carolyn's front brace.

[Dev]

I find the perception of speed better than the dangers of speed.
Take for instance my friends Ferrari 308 which is slow by todays standards but why wasn't it slow by 1976 standards. It wasn't and it is still exciting to drive. These newer insulated heavy cars with so much horsepower makes it impossible to enjoy unless you are driving 8/10 which makes them dangerous and unusable.

I'm in no way implying this car couldn't use more power but there came a time when I had to step back and enjoy the drive realizing  that although it's not the fastest in a straight line, it's just about faster than everything else in the corners which is far more fun.

You've got a 2zz haven't you?

 I do and initially it was fun but like all things power it started to feel sluggish again. It wasn't sluggish I just wanted more because I got use to it. This same thing happened to a friend of mine that added a turbo at around the same time. Initially we felt the power was ridiculous but as time went on it felt sluggish to him so he upped the boost. When I drove it, I felt it was too much car but not to my friend. Eventually at meets he would offer a temporary trade of sorts with another owner that had bone stock car for a stretch of road. I asked him why and he said that in a way he preferred stock power because it was more relaxing to drive.
 Since that time I have driven many other cars that owners wanted me to evaluate. If the car was in good shape I felt that although it is clearly slower than my 2ZZ in a straight line however the fun factor was still there making power not as important as it is with other cars.

 I do have to admit that my suspension is far more radical than stock which makes it more car but I would be just as happy with a stock car if that was all that I had because it is still a rewarding drive where you have plenty of room to improve on your skills as a driver.

I can totally empathise with that.

Turbo is great but a stock car is such a much more comfortable, smooth, stable ride.

We have mine and Helen's stock sable and hers is an absolute pleasure to drive. Just as Toyota intended. Just Carolyn's front brace.

  This is why cars like the MX5 continues to be a success.  A friend of mine has one and I take every opportunity to drive it because it feels alive. I have driven a wide range of other cars to compare like Porsche and Ferrari and the ones I preferred are the older versions of these cars even though they are slower. Too much refinement ruins the visceral drive. Mechanical connection is lost on a lot of these cars particularly those with power steering.   
  One of the best cars I have driven is a Factory 5 Cobra. It doesn't feel like a kit car but at the same time feels great to drive at any speed with lots of low down torque. Its just too loud.