2ZZ swap - ballpark cost

Started by J88TEO, September 12, 2022, 23:40

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J88TEO

To all 2ZZ swappers - what is the ballpark cost for the parts - engine, gearbox, manifold, hardness and Apexi FC?
I am drawn intothis route to up the power of my 2  :)

JB21

Engine - £1200
Gearbox with torsen LSD - £500
Custom 2ZZ manifold with sports cat - £600
Harness - £200
Apexi, or other aftermarket ECU - £1000+
Dyno session to map the ECU £500
Engine & gearbox mounts - £500+
Custom intake and MAF pipe - £200
Misc £300

Approx. total £5000

My advise, sell your current MR2 and purchase an MR2 already converted

J88TEO

@JB21
Thanks...
Thinking of going that route...but looks like the cost is prohibitive.
Cheers.

Dev

#3
 If it makes the sour grapes any better its harder to find good examples of these motors these days.
 If you do end up looking the best way to tell is to open up the valve cover and check the condition of the intake cam and any varnish deposits. That is a good indicator of the wear from the motor if that is all you have to go on.

 


J88TEO

@Dev
Thanks.....just thinking....and toying with the idea.
I am quite happy with the stock car with MAF mod, but the itch....ugh...the itch!

MrChris

Quote from: J88TEO on September 13, 2022, 15:29@Dev
Thanks.....just thinking....and toying with the idea.
I am quite happy with the stock car with MAF mod, but the itch....ugh...the itch!


Not heard of this MAF mod before your post. Anything significant to be gained?

J88TEO

Quote from: MrChris on September 13, 2022, 15:37Not heard of this MAF mod before your post. Anything significant to be gained?
I had some trouble with the injectors I bought off the fleabay and they were throwing up coeds 0172 and 0175 - both banks rich. Swapped out these for used 2ZZ genuine ones and all worked OK - no codes.
There is much gain, transformed the car...

Alex Knight

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Quote from: JB21 on September 13, 2022, 07:57Engine - £1200
Gearbox with torsen LSD - £500
Custom 2ZZ manifold with sports cat - £600
Harness - £200
Apexi, or other aftermarket ECU - £1000+
Dyno session to map the ECU £500
Engine & gearbox mounts - £500+
Custom intake and MAF pipe - £200
Misc £300

Approx. total £5000

My advise, sell your current MR2 and purchase an MR2 already converted


You can do it much, much cheaper than that (I did).

The best thing to do is buy a Celica T Sport / Corolla T Sport and that has 99% of the bits you need to be honest.

You don't need a harness. You don't need a sports cat or custom exhaust. You don't need engine mounts. You don't need an aftermarket ECU.

Quote from: Alex Knight on March 18, 2014, 17:43Swap parts come to circa £800.00 inc VAT and Duty from Monkey Wrench Racing.

Labour is free if you can swing a spanner competently. It's really not that difficult a swap, seeing as 3 out of the 4 engine mounts are identical to the 1ZZ!

I picked up a donor Corolla T-Sport for £1,400 with circa 80K miles on the clock, stripped out the engine and gearbox and sold it on for £510.00.

Add around £100 for consumables (Oil, Oil Filter, new Accessory Belt, Coolant) and the swap cost me around £1,800.00.

That's also not factoring in selling the old 1ZZ engine and box, which I donated to a friend with a sick roadster.

If I sold the engine and box for say, £300.00, the swap would have cost me circa £1,500.00.

Not bad eh?

JB21

Quote from: Alex Knight on September 13, 2022, 22:48You can do it much, much cheaper than that (I did).

The best thing to do is buy a Celica T Sport / Corolla T Sport and that has 99% of the bits you need to be honest.

You don't need a harness. You don't need a sports cat or custom exhaust. You don't need engine mounts. You don't need an aftermarket ECU.


Corolla T-Sport for £1,400 with 80K miles on the clock in 2022  :))  :))  :))


J88TEO

Thanks for all the info @Alex Knight
Just scratching the itch in my brain at the moment.... I don't have the space and the facilities to do the swap. My garage is a typical apartment block garage with no electricity, no storage space. Just enough space to park the 2 inside and that's it.

AJRFulton

The swap isn't that hard to do.

Certainly if you have competence with a spanner, I'd look at renting a 2 post ramp for the day you plan to do it. With a ramp you will get the old engine out and new engine in - completed in 5-6hrs, even having never did this before. Although that depends on the condition of things, a broken bolt or two can kill that estimate.

pistol pete

#11
My original cost was less than 1500. So I agree here with Alex

my engine was 1000 (i purchased a rotten celica MOT failure for £1000) which you don't even need, just purchased engine and box from one of the many people that sell them
I did all the work myself,
the wiring is easy to do no need for a harness.
Patrick Chambers swapped the gear set from the celica box into my MR2 box with diff etc, Pretty sure that was £125
the engine mount for drivers side was £25
I found a full exhaust for £180 on ebay (i was luck with this), but if you can weld, then you can adapt the stock 2zz manifold yourself..
then it was just any other bits i wanted to do, service items etc, all cheap enough from euros for fluids etc.
Air box, I did some custom mods to run the stock air box to not upset the maf, which worked well

Run the stock ecu, upgrade that later if you need to


J88TEO

And a colourful engine too!
mmm....now that's a thought!

threepot

#14
I'm not so sure I'd buy that one for the engine. That painted up manifold and rocker cover, ebay steering wheel... speak volumes, bet it's been zinged to kingdom come!

Current owner bought it 25/03/2022, 6 Previous keepers. Then you look at that very insightful MOT history  :))

It took 3 attempts to get it through an MOT, rotten by the looks of the test sheets. And its funny how it failed on rotten brake pipes, then passes with them "corroded, covered in grease or other material".

Its a good donor your looking for, the price is not the biggest factor. Nice genuine low owner cars that's not been bodged about with. The hard work, parts and time isn't worth a scrap engine.

But it's only an armchair guess, you have to inspect them, shove the camera down the oil filler cap etc. See how brown it it. Listen to the rattle box or not.

The best cars are always sold from car parks on mobile numbers.

J88TEO

True....not in a hurry so no rushing out to buy the 1st one that shows up.
Taking my time, if I decide to go that route.

threepot

I spent about a year looking for a reasonable donor for the right price. Nearly all of the £800 to £1600 range were fricking dogs. Wasted many trips.

I found corolla T-sports tended to be more honest cars. I'd pick a 145k high milage 1 or 2 owner car, over a 6 owner car most of the time.

Drove a fair few of them and they mostly had mashed 2nd gear, or the engine was full of the stinking bitchumen from people not servicing it for the last 10 years. These were £500 nails 8 years ago and have been treated as such.

There was this nice one in warrington, son selling it for his old mother that stopped driving. 2 owners from new, no MOT. Proper genuine car, almost too good to cut up but £850 on facebook market place. Day after I looked someone else picked it up.  :'(  :'(  :'(

The good ones are gone in a blink! Got to be on it to strike gold.

J88TEO

Thanks for the tips. Much appreciated.
The hunt begins....

JB21

Quote from: Alex Knight on September 14, 2022, 19:48Actually, here's a Celica T Sport (even better because you can use the ECU too) with 106K for less than £1500 sheets.

So yes, you just have to look:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209069498335?lat-long=56.624196704799594%2C%20-3.230672509814609&minimum-badge-engine-size=1.6&advertising-location=at_cars&maximum-badge-engine-size=2.0&transmission=Manual&model=Celica&page=1&aggregatedTrim=T%20Sport&make=Toyota&include-delivery-option=on&sort=relevance

Christ, talk about trying to prove a point. How long did that take you to find that dog. As Threepot states the whole cars appearance speaks for itself! I paid £1000 delivered for a 80k mile immaculate 2zz engine from a reputable guy on here and for me this was a bargain these days. I stand by that you will really struggle to find a decent donor car for £1400 these days, and i'll leave it there.

AJRFulton

Quote from: JB21 on September 15, 2022, 07:52Christ, talk about trying to prove a point. How long did that take you to find that dog. As Threepot states the whole cars appearance speaks for itself! I paid £1000 delivered for a 80k mile immaculate 2zz engine from a reputable guy on here and for me this was a bargain these days. I stand by that you will really struggle to find a decent donor car for £1400 these days, and i'll leave it there.

Exactly why I went down the rebuild route.

Wasted over £2k, and a handful of precious weekends, buying original engines that didn't last long - and unfortunately that is the risk you take.

I was chatting to Andy @ J-Spec a while back about it, and he is shying away from 2ZZ's as the profit margin for him is getting less and less, and the risk more and more.

Iain

...all the reason why im sticking with the humble 1zz. You can lean on it all day long and it never bothers.

A lot of effort, time and money for some straight line speed.

JB21

Quote from: AJRFulton on September 15, 2022, 10:13Exactly why I went down the rebuild route.

Wasted over £2k, and a handful of precious weekends, buying original engines that didn't last long - and unfortunately that is the risk you take.

I was chatting to Andy J-Spec a while back about it, and he is shying away from 2ZZ's as the profit margin for him is getting less and less, and the risk more and more.

I'll be going down the K20 route when this latest 2ZZ shites itself.

The Other Stu

Someone was selling the whole lot - including Apexi ECU - for £2.75k on Facebook the other day.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/143564079695220/permalink/1100494260668859/

AJRFulton

Quote from: JB21 on September 15, 2022, 10:42I'll be going down the K20 route when this latest 2ZZ shites itself.

As we've discussed before, that is the issue with the 2ZZ on track.

It seems to have a high instance of failure, although only in Toyota's, the Lotus applications seem more durable.

If I knew what I know now, I'd have went K20, although concerned with how the weight will effect balance on track.

Carolyn

#24
The history of 2ZZ swapped cars having blow-ups in the club is quite packed!

@shnazzle has often observed how many have gone pop!

I think is because folk have just swapped in used engines, usually with 80,000+ mils on them, and not really taken into account that they were probably well thrashed throughout their lives, given that lift only happens at high RPM.  Putting such an engine on the track, with all the abuse that entails, is bound to end badly fairly quickly.

I'm sure there are those who've been lucky and got away with it, but they are very much in the minority.

The cost of going thoroughly through a 2ZZ engine to get it in top shape for track use, has to be close to a grand (if you do it yourself), plus mechanic's time if you pay for the job.
Perry Byrnes Memorial Award 2016, 2018.  Love this club. 
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