Tyres - yes sorry!

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Gaz mr-s

Quote from: Dev on October 25, 2022, 16:48Regarding the Flevas. If they are anything like the S drive they don't have stiff side walls like the OEM however they are not so soft to complain about and make it up in having very good road feel. I actually liked them and could live with them which is saying a lot compared to many other tires I have gone though.

There are no Tests of 15" or 16" Fleva on the site I look at, only 17".  The highest the Fleva is placed in a test is 9th. 
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2018-Auto-Review-225-45-R17-Tyre-Test.htm

Dev

Quote from: 1979scotte on October 25, 2022, 17:42Re003 are well thought of in Aus no idea why they are region specific

The relabeled versions over here are one of the most popular. At first enthusiasts picked them because they were a cheap budgeted option but it very quickly had a large cult following from word of mouth and became one of the best selling tires.
It is believed that the large shoulder blocks adds to the stiffness.

Dev

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Quote from: Gaz mr-s on October 25, 2022, 18:35There are no Tests of 15" or 16" Fleva on the site I look at, only 17".  The highest the Fleva is placed in a test is 9th. 
https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2018-Auto-Review-225-45-R17-Tyre-Test.htm

 This is why I don't trust tire reviews or ratings. This one has mixed in various categories of tires and ranked them based on customer reviews. One of them being the Bridgestone Turanza which is a grand touring tire that is ranked 5th. I have these tires on my Lexus and they are excellent for a boat but if you put them on the Spyder they would do poorly.
 
Some tires suit some cars better than others so its hard to compare from reviews however there are some exceptions like the RE003 which are universally liked. Its also very hard to know what a good paring would be, but to hear them from our peers although not perfect is the best bet. Sometimes there are obvious tires to avoid especially ones with mushy sidewalls like the Toyo Proxy but some people prefer them for reasons I cant understand except that they have no bases of comparison.

Gaz mr-s

Quote from: Dev on October 25, 2022, 19:27This is why I don't trust tire reviews or ratings.

The link didn't work properly. It's not indvidual's opinions I look for, but tests carried out by Magazines, for instance, in controlled conditions.
Not ideal, but best method available here, IMO.

Dev

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Quote from: Gaz mr-s on October 25, 2022, 20:04The link didn't work properly. It's not indvidual's opinions I look for, but tests carried out by Magazines, for instance, in controlled conditions.
Not ideal, but best method available here, IMO.

 I have also looked at professional reviews from those that know tires. It impressed me with their findings but once I got the tires I was back to square one. I will say that the relabeled RE003 got favorable ratings from a professional tire reviews but when they are all mixed with so many other tires having very good reviews its still very hard to pick one. Its even harder when the tires were tested on a different car and not ours.
 These days we are lucky if they actually make the sizes we need as everything that is good is plus sized.
 I thought with my 16/17 wheel combo I would have more options but its very hard to find the profiles I need.   I can finally say I am lucky I found tires that I really like.


Gaz mr-s

@Dev
Yep, it's becoming more difficult as the manufacturers are not making new tyres in 15", or not in a profile suitable.   A few months ago I bought 16" front wheels because of this.

Have you read anything in the US re Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance 2?

Iain

Bridgestone make a poor tyre in my experience.

But thats life, everyone has their own opinion on stuff and tyres are no excepetion.

What suits one person wont always suit the next, even when it comes to taking about the little MR2.

Someone who enjoys the daily drive, steady pace, roof down will welcome the comfort a soft sidewall tyre brings, whilst still bringing excellent grip. Next person who only takes it out on a weekend for a spirited blast may want the responses only a stiff tyre can bring.


Dev

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Quote from: Gaz mr-s on October 25, 2022, 20:29@Dev
Yep, it's becoming more difficult as the manufacturers are not making new tyres in 15", or not in a profile suitable.   A few months ago I bought 16" front wheels because of this.

Have you read anything in the US re Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance 2?

 I haven't heard of those particular Goodyear but I did have a set of Goodyear eagle GSD3.
 Those got great reviews from the professional reviewers and thats why I purchased them when they first came out. They also got good user reviews as well.  Worst set of tires that I ever owned with mushy sidewalls and no feel. I came to find out that autoX racers called them Novocaines for good reason and would make fun of how bad they were which put myself at ease knowing that I wasn't delusional.

 I could easily say that Goodyear tires are not my taste or that they are a bad brand of tire but that is not necessarily true. As I mentioned every tire company can make a bad model tire or a series of bad tires. They can also make an excellent tire that has a cult following. Its very hard to know but one thing is for sure and that is the original OEM Bridgestone tires along with the Yoko were excellent tires for this car and remembered fondly by most legacy owners. Toyota did a good job with tire selection. 
 Yokohama are a very good top brand but they also made some bad tires like the ES100. Once the SDrive replaced them they were favorable and popular for our car at least on my side. I thought they did well as an allrounder which makes a good street tire.







Dev

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Quote from: Iain on October 25, 2022, 20:35Bridgestone make a poor tyre in my experience.

But thats life, everyone has their own opinion on stuff and tyres are no excepetion.

What suits one person wont always suit the next, even when it comes to taking about the little MR2.

Someone who enjoys the daily drive, steady pace, roof down will welcome the comfort a soft sidewall tyre brings, whilst still bringing excellent grip. Next person who only takes it out on a weekend for a spirited blast may want the responses only a stiff tyre can bring.



True however I judge the tires back to a base line of what I remember from the OEM.
If someone wanted less responsiveness from this base line then it is a choice. Often times its overlooked based on limited tire choices and there are those that don't appreciate the difference which is ok as everyone has a preference or lack thereof.
 I have found that the car seems to like the base line as the suspension seems to time its self well.
 
On the flip side I bought tires for my Lexus that had stiffer sidewalls than the factory tires with more grip. It felt odd especially with soft suspension. Once I changed them out for the appropriate touring tires the car felt good. Not sloppy just better timed for the bumps and a better overall ride quality.



Ardent

Hmmm tyre reviews.

In another review the fleva comes in 4th.
And yet the OEM re040 with it's stiff sidewall which we are all (mostly) after,
are way down the list in 16th place.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyres_For/Toyota/MK3-MR2-Roaster.htm

Dev

Quote from: Ardent on October 25, 2022, 21:58Hmmm tyre reviews.

In another review the fleva comes in 4th.
And yet the OEM re040 with it's stiff sidewall which we are all (mostly) after,
are way down the list in 16th place.

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyres_For/Toyota/MK3-MR2-Roaster.htm

I can see why it is in 16th place. Tire grip has improved year over year including wet performance. Those are the key metrics that people obsess over. Tire reviewers also rate old tires poorly especially when they age compared to their new set and they complain about tire wear which is inherent to performance tires in general which they are not use to. I would say most tire reviews are akin to self proclaimed entitled restaurant critics particularly the way they read. It's fine if taking advice solves problems from like minded that are in the market for tires but I would not trust them for my needs. I would trust like minded people on enthusiast forums that I think have some bases of comparison. The first thing I ask is how are the sidewalls.

 

Petrus

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Quote from: Dev on October 25, 2022, 23:03The first thing I ask is how are the sidewalls.

 



...and off in limbo you are sent  O:-)


p.s. there is a 500, or rather weird number, Abarth in front of the watering hole. As many light up front as a jumping spider has eyes and FOUR exhaust tips.  Front spoiler 10 cm off the tarmac and  thus even less wheel travel.  Überlarge wheels and either central lock system or something emulating that véry neatly. No worries about the sidewall stiffness there, It has none. The tread seems glued directly onto the rims like on racing bicycles.
Ah and a rear wing of course

...and red door straps.