Toyo Proxes comfort

Started by JB21, December 9, 2022, 14:26

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JB21

Just seen Toyo have brought out a new road tyre. Reviews seem decent, as does the price.

I'm fed up of tip toeing around on semi-slicks in the wet and cold, so need a decent but cheap road tyre. These hopefully could fit the bill. I'll be the test gimp!

Got to be better then the Rainsport 5's I had previously, decent dry grip and phenomenal wet grip but the in-between dry and wet (damp) was sketchy AF, and the turn in was horrendous, it felt like the steering wheel wasn't connected to the wheels. You could feel them wallowing around, defo not suited to my car.

https://www.demon-tweeks.com/uk/toyo-proxes-comfort-tyre-2015909/#

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Tyre/Toyo/Proxes-Comfort.htm

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275334251743?hash=item401b3344df:g:R2EAAOSw4xRil4gj&amdata=enc%3AAQAHAAAAoDxHHmyiNHC2tU3skDFmrJoWGCRklczx4aXY4x894aTH6mKXfpx65kTc4bXPrg0O7cPb8jJCHfGQVPTIycG%2FcR0dC%2BAePeqJ4k3%2BYonq%2BKH%2BN%2BWc0eGjj9UtAVNc8EzqhDW3JKxSYUixmAsfZY%2BGfsYHz3VsyzMODWSjEAvv6lFurqZIm3lZGJKLc0XboyhZb3fXEWfaDxaGHbmQ7ykLzl8%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR96_yfGeYQ

Gibla

Exceptionally low prices, deffo worth a whirl, it will be interesting to read your appraisal
stock 2001 Dark Green MR-S (6R4)
stock 2004 Black - repurchased from guy who bought yellow 'un
stock 2000 Light Green(Cape Green)

puma2

 :) what size set have got  :)


Joesson

The AA advises:

Can I fit tyres with a higher speed rating than I need?

Yes, you can. It's not against the law to choose tyres with a higher speed rating that your car needs as long as they're right for your vehicle.

Find out more about the legal requirements for car tyres.


Can I fit tyres with a lower speed rating that I need?

No, you shouldn't ever fit tyres with a speed rating that's too low for your car. It could cause steering and control issues or you might even suffer tyre failure.

It's not illegal to use a tyre speed rating that's too low but it is dangerous and it could stop your car insurance from paying out.


V rated , max speed 149mph
H rated,  max speed 130 mph

Another loophole for the  insurance companies!



cptspaulding

Quote from: Joesson on December  9, 2022, 18:49V rated , max speed 149mph
H rated,  max speed 130 mph

Another loophole for the  insurance companies!

So, Mr/Ms Insuree, you were doing 131mph on H rated tyres when you had your accident?  :o
Former owner 2003, 2zz conversion.

Ardent

There in lies the rub.

Regardless of the 2 being unlikely to see 130.
If it negates paying out. They will use it against the then not insured.

Petrus

Quote from: Ardent on December 10, 2022, 19:20Regardless of the 2 being unlikely to see 130.

Irrelevant.
The tyres MÜST be rated OEM spec or higher.
Within the EU the only exception is M&S marked tyres.

MikeBoo

In the UK we can legally use H rated tyres (max 130mph) on the MR2 Mk3 because the manufactures maximum designed speed of the vehicle is 129mph.

In summary, according to UK law, replacement tyres must have a load index suitable for your car when fully-loaded. They must also have a speed rating capable of meeting your vehicle's maximum speed.
2001 Toyota Liquid Silver (1D0) with hard top & original soft top.
Yokohama AD08RS all round.
Replacement manifold, BC coil overs,
Whiteline anti roll bars front & rear & Ultra Racing front strut brace.
Location = East Hampshire, UK

Joesson

#9
@Mike Boo
Please advise source of UK Law reference as I have found, so far :


From https://www.gov.uk/guidance/mot-inspection-manual-for-private-passenger-and-light-commercial-vehicles/5-axles-wheels-tyres-and-suspension#section-5-2-3

Our cars being class 5 I understand

Speed rating - Classes 5 and 7 only
A tyre's speed rating is shown on the sidewall as a letter and usually precedes or follows the load rating. Speed ratings from A to K are unacceptable, with the exception of H.

If no speed rating is shown it must be assumed that the minimum requirements are met.

Load ratings for low speed rated tyres - Class 5 vehicles only
Tyres must be suitable for use up to 70mph (L speed rating) unless the vehicle is a 'restricted speed vehicle'.

If the tyre can carry the maximum permitted axle weight of the vehicle, these vehicles can use tyres with a lower speed rating tyres up to 70mph as follows:

K speed rating – but the tyre's carrying capacity is reduced by 3%
J speed rating – but the tyre's carrying capacity is reduced by 7%
For example, K speed rating tyres can be used at 70mph if the load is reduced as follows: 146/143K = 6,000kg single or 10,900kg dual - less 3% = 5,820kg single or 10,580kg dual

You must not accept a tyre load rating that's less than the maximum permitted axle weight.

Petrus

Quote from: Joesson on December 11, 2022, 11:13@Mike Boo
Please advise source of UK Law reference as I have found, so far :

beejeezus  :o

Simpler over here then; OEM spec or higher for all but sizes as per OEM with a margin of 3%.

Joesson

Quote from: Petrus on December 11, 2022, 11:38beejeezus  :o

Simpler over here then; OEM spec or higher for all but sizes as per OEM with a margin of 3%.

Having recently read the complete works (sometime ago I read an abridged version) of Sherlock Holmes by Arthur Conan Doyle, written and set in the Victorian period I have found some (archaic) words and phrases of that period. Amongst them is obfuscate make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
eg: "the new rule is more likely to obfuscate people than enlighten them"
wwwOxford dictionary

Maybe we've found another example of more  recent origin!

Ardent

With ref to #5 and posts after.
I see the two issues as separate but related.

Can you lawfully run H rated tyres?
Still in debate.

Regardless of lawful. Would an insurance company look to avoid paying out in the event of something going wrong. You bet.

MikeBoo

Quote from: Ardent on December 11, 2022, 15:05With ref to #5 and posts after.
I see the two issues as separate but related.

Can you lawfully run H rated tyres?
Still in debate.

Regardless of lawful. Would an insurance company look to avoid paying out in the event of something going wrong. You bet.
Unless there's an update since this:
   The Motor Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 2001
then the legality of running H rated tyres is shown under:
   Item 16, Requirement 7
2001 Toyota Liquid Silver (1D0) with hard top & original soft top.
Yokohama AD08RS all round.
Replacement manifold, BC coil overs,
Whiteline anti roll bars front & rear & Ultra Racing front strut brace.
Location = East Hampshire, UK

Ardent

@Joesson
see post #13 in reply to your question post #9

Joesson

#15
Quote from: MikeBoo on December 11, 2022, 15:16Unless there's an update since this:
   The Motor Vehicles (Approval) Regulations 2001
then the legality of running H rated tyres is shown under:
   Item 16, Requirement 7

Which reads:
7.  The speed capability of all tyres fitted shall be not less than the maximum design speed of the vehicle

Thank you @MikeBoo.
That is quite succinct I believe. Unlike Requirement 6, referring to load capacity!

For the avoidance of doubt:
I can see no reference to maximum speed within the manual, but,
The Mr2 Owner's manual (2002) states, p221:
When replacing a tire (sic) , use only the same size and construction as originally installed and with the same or greater load capacity.


MikeBoo

Quote from: Joesson on December 11, 2022, 20:17Which reads:
7.  The speed capability of all tyres fitted shall be not less than the maximum design speed of the vehicle

Thank you @MikeBoo.
For the avoidance of doubt:
I can see no reference to maximum speed within the manual
Here's the sales brochure from 2001 showing a max speed of 129mph:
   
2001 Toyota Liquid Silver (1D0) with hard top & original soft top.
Yokohama AD08RS all round.
Replacement manifold, BC coil overs,
Whiteline anti roll bars front & rear & Ultra Racing front strut brace.
Location = East Hampshire, UK

Joesson

Anyone contemplating using H rated tyres then will not be undertaking  that lightly, but after diligent research and an awareness of all the relevant information confirming that such a rating is acceptable for our cars.

NB
That applies to a car of standard weight, there are one or two on here with a largish addition of Bling, that must amount to a few extra Carats!