I know a few of you guys have the Usw10 under your dash, and a few of you have the JL/UD box up there, as an alternative (no reason, I just like to have an alternative!) do you think of these would fit up there?
Links to follow...
Title edit!
m http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/kenwood ... active-sub (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/kenwood-ksc-sw11-compact-under-seat-150w-active-sub) m
m http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pioneer-ts-wx110a (http://www.caraudiodirect.co.uk/pioneer-ts-wx110a) m
...or this
m http://www.amazon.com/Clarion-Electroni ... B00B43LKEM (http://www.amazon.com/Clarion-Electronics-SRV250-Powered-Subwoofer/dp/B00B43LKEM) m
All are a bit narrower than the Usw10, but an inch or so longer.
Just opens my market when trawling and researching! Any other options that have been fitted, or wouldn't fit, let me know?
Thanks in advance...
Should fit
Work allowing (I keep saying that, but as I never know when work is going to be available I can't turn it down!) I will be under the dash next week with carefully measured cereal packets, making sure the fit!
Awaiting curious looks from the neighbours...
Do yourself a favour and remove the seat and the plastics under the wheel... Unless you have anger management sessions pre-scheduled.
Quote from: "shnazzle"Do yourself a favour and remove the seat and the plastics under the wheel... Unless you have anger management sessions pre-scheduled.
Cheers
Actually, a benefit of my job is easy access to plenty of therapy! So if I get too stressed I know who to call to help me calm down!
Also found a Focal with a built-in amp for the door components, but it's quite a bit bigger (340 x 220) but could kill two birds with one stone!
m http://www.amazon.co.uk/Focal-iBus-2-1- ... B009OFE9ZY (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Focal-iBus-2-1-Subwoofer-Amplified/dp/B009OFE9ZY) m
Haha. Pushing your luck there! Cubby hole job that is, or make a passenger footstand and hide it under there.
Thought so.
Did you find your Usw10 sounded better behind the seat or under the dash?
I have managed to scrape ten minutes to have a look behind there this evening, looks like plenty of places to bolt to. I like the idea of the kenwood and Pioneer having oval woofers, for a bit more surface area? Although the in phase and the clarion have cones instead of flat woofers, so maybe not too much difference. The kenwood/Pioneer and Clarion have crossover and phase controls on the remote, as well as the gain, that may make setting up easier.
I have £300 max to buy the woofer, a set of components and some sound deadening, maybe squeeze in a small two-channel amp for the front as well...
The usw10 sounded much better under dash. What I did was wire it in, put it in the cubby hole and tried it. Then put behind the passenger seat and tried it. Then roped it under the dash.
Clear winner was under dash. Clear loser to me was in the cubby hole. It sounded muffled, dead and like all the bass was coming from my rear left.
Ran it bhind the passenger seat for a while until I could be arsed to move it. Sounded quite decent actually.
But in the end, it was well worth the tons of time, screaming, back pain and funny looks at me lying upside down (literally) under the steering wheel.
Quote from: "shnazzle"Clear winner was under dash.
But in the end, it was well worth the tons of time, screaming, back pain and funny looks at me lying upside down (literally) under the steering wheel.
Thanks for your help, that's made at least one decision for me (I won't be making a sub box!)
So now, which sub, which components and whether to have an amp as well... Thanks again
Quote from: "vx220"Awaiting curious looks from the neighbours...
OK, half a day off today, pulled the shin panel off and had a dig around
Neighbours already think I'm "odd", but now they have seen me struggling and cursing to squeeze a carefully measured (and modified!) Special K box (to represent the Pioneer) under my dashboard they are 100% sure!
The looks I received were nothing compared to the ones they shot me when they watched me attempting to "install" a deep frying pan! (carefully measured to impersonate the In Phase jobbing...)
There is a red box under there, a couple of inches across, next to the throttle pedal? OK to move this somewhere else? I saw from the UD box thread it is moved during the install and bolted to the UD box? Can I move it over, maybe lay it down?
Same question for a similarly sized black box nearer the drivers right knee (iirc), ok to move it/angle it?
Cheers!
The red one is the BCM and sits at an angle anyway, so I assume I'm OK to jiggle it around?
The black one (nearer the driver compared to the red one) looks suspiciously upright! So unsure if I can move this one (only need to move it over to the right, gives a bit more wriggle room)
Thanks again
Haha lots of giggles s:) :) s:) I didn't bother trial fitting anything. Gung ho!
No idea about the boxes, I didn't move anything while I was submerged under the steering wheel.
Mind... My solution involves a bath sponge... It stops vibrations!
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It looks like you have it further forward than I imagined. Will have more time tomorrow to look again...
Thanks again for your help
As you can tell, it actually needs to be lifted about 1/2 an inch on the sponge side, or moved upwards towards the driver to avoid the scuffing when I wear my clown work shoes.
Doesn't happen with any other pair of shoes
30sqft of sound deadening waiting for me, so now my wife is looking strangely at me as well...
Nothing new there right?
Quote from: "shnazzle"Nothing new there right?
Harsh but fair!
Still struggling to find time (got under there this morning, then another call from work!)
Fairly sure I can get the Pioneer in, think I'm going to order it tonight. I will probably have to move the black box sideways a little, but not changing its angle, and I'll look at folding the BCMs bracket a little flatter to be 100% sure.
Anyone wanna say "DON'T DO IT!" before I do?
I can only recommend going for it. Just make 100% sure you have the clearance you need to drive, and do it using the biggest shoes you're likely to wear (no joke).
As you could tell from the scuffs on mine, I have the far end a fraction (1/2 inch) too low.
Also ensure that it is very stable and secure. You do NOT want a sub coming down onto your pedals while driving.
As for the sound, I had the MR2 out this morning and had the music loud and can assure you that the bass is great from that location.
Cheers
To encourage more strange looks I am going to wear my old Sparco karting gloves when I deaden the doors!
Quote from: "vx220"Cheers
To encourage more strange looks I am going to wear my old Search karting gloves when I deaden the doors!
search karting? Is that where you search for the kart to "go" on?
Good luck! It's a pig of a job with the access being so crap. I have to admit there was a moment where I was 2 seconds from removing the steering wheel. But it's been in there now for over a year I think. Steady as a rock.
Corrected "search" for Sparco!
Got to work and been told I'm needed tomorrow as well, so next week now
Quote from: "vx220"Corrected "search" for Sparco!
Got to work and been told I'm needed tomorrow as well, so next week now
Employment is such a drag. Until you realise they pay for your car.
Quote from: "shnazzle"Quote from: "vx220"Corrected "search" for Sparco!
Got to work and been told I'm needed tomorrow as well, so next week now
Employment is such a drag. Until you realise they pay for your car.
I have been trying to explain it to the kids I work with.
You need a job to pay for the things you can't do because you're always at work!
Tbh it's not my main job, just covering
Went for the TS WX 110a Pioneer active sub, but it was OOS when I ordered. They sorted me the TS WX 120 for the same price (which arrived today, sturdy little thing) so when people's stop being sick at work, off I go!
Keep sitting in class, looking out at the sunny weather, thinking...
"I could be out there with my heat gun and deadening!"
Nice looking little piece of equipment. How much did it set you back if I may ask?
If I ever had spare time I want to rethink the subwoofer and location. I think a lot more woofer can be fit in the give space and tucked away a bit tidier.
The question is...can I be bothered...
Quote from: "shnazzle"Nice looking little piece of equipment. How much did it set you back if I may ask?
If I ever had spare time I want to rethink the subwoofer and location. I think a lot more woofer can be fit in the give space and tucked away a bit tidier.
The question is...can I be bothered...
I ordered the wx110 from caraudiocentre for £99.99, but as it was OOS they sent the 120 for no extra (normally seen at £130-170)
They were out of the small Pioneer amp as well, but had no direct alternative, so I'm undecided on that atm
Nice! less than I paid for the USW
Quote from: "shnazzle"Nice! less than I paid for the USW
I thought so, nice gesture as well, although the two items I ordered that were out of stock are still showing on their website five days later!
Just been asked to do two more days work again! Shall I update over the Christmas hols!?
I need to do it, partly because I love that part of my job (I'm a foster carer, and I help out TAing in our agencies school) and because it's all monies for further projects!
Progress made today!
They didn't need me after all at school, so I have sound deadened one door (!) a really good coating on the outer skin (doubled up in places) and just about complete coverage of the inner skin, blocking all the holes. Also used some CCF to stop wires vibrating, and I'm going to use some more of this between the inner skin and door card upon reassembly.
Gutted the OEM speaker to use spacer, just need some Tiger Seal to stick the woofer in and then I'll put it all back!
Nice. Pics pics pics!
...neighbours now concerned for my wife, I made her walk round the car knocking on the doors so she could hear the difference my efforts have made!
Hoping she doesn't want hers done, goosed my back at some point today...
Haha! Did she do the usual ".. That's nice honey... And walk away wondering what she's doing with you?"
Love to see the end results mate
Quote from: "saicab"Love to see the end results mate
So would I, no garage to work in and it's raining just hard enough to make it miserable
Hopefully (weather and work permitting...) Thursday should see some good progress
Quote from: "vx220"Quote from: "saicab"Love to see the end results mate
So would I, no garage to work in and it's raining just hard enough to make it miserable
Hopefully (weather and work permitting...) Thursday should see some good progress
Had a half day on it, second door deadened. But I have to do a half day at work, which given it's a beautiful day is slightly upsetting!
I have a half day again tomorrow, so hoping to get components mounted and wired...
I can't believe it has taken three weeks to sort the doors and amp, but the door cards went back on for the final time today!
So, Pioneer TS-A1604a components in the (well-deadened) doors, Pioneer GMA3602 amp in the passenger side cubby and some CCF between doors and doorways to stop vibrations, all done, dusted and finished...
Sounds pretty good, but then I have been without any sounds in the car for three weeks, so anything is an improvement on silence!
Sisters of Mercy were good this afternoon, as was Florence and The Machine, and WINGER!
Still have the subwoofer to fit under the dash (which ironically was supposed to be the only upgrade!) but I have Weds/Thurs/Friday to sort that and set it up and get it EQ'd.
Rained most of yesterday, but I got out there today and made four brackets to hold the sub under the dash, so it is supported front and rear and prevented from moving sideways under cornering! Wiring all sorted, EXCEPT I have inadvertently purchased RCA leads that have long plugs, so the ones for the subwoofer outlet hit the dash before the stereo is all the way back in. So I'm tidying up now, finish it tomorrow...
...I have to finish it tomorrow, as we have a new fostering placement arriving Saturday, I don't want him to be listening to me swearing every three minutes!
Quote from: "vx220"Rained most of yesterday, but I got out there today and made four brackets to hold the sub under the dash, so it is supported front and rear and prevented from moving sideways under cornering! Wiring all sorted, EXCEPT I have inadvertently purchased RCA leads that have long plugs, so the ones for the subwoofer outlet hit the dash before the stereo is all the way back in. So I'm tidying up now, finish it tomorrow...
...I have to finish it tomorrow, as we have a new fostering placement arriving Saturday, I don't want him to be listening to me swearing every three minutes!
fostering placement? GOOD MAN!
Can I see your brackets and where you plan to mount them? As I mentioned, I want to re-do mine to raise it a bit. Although it's been a year now and I don't even notice...could argue, if it ain't broke...
Struggled to get pics with phone, so I will attempt to describe what I've done...
I relocated the red module thing by the throttle pedal and used those two threaded holes to support the rear corner (it's rectangular, and only has brackets on opposite corners) then used one of the captive studs on the bar that runs behind the dash to hang another bracket to support the front, and another bracket runs sideways to the bolt that holds up the knee panel (closest to the stereo) this bolts in to a metal part of the dash, so I will put a nut on after closing up the knee panel. This one stops the sub swaying side to side.
So, two at the rear, one hanging bracket at the front and one horizontal bracket at the front. I used "builders banding", radius'd all the bends and hoped for the best!
Ah. Good call on the builder's banding. Although isn't it tricky to get it tight so it doesn't sag? Or is it pretty solid? Just thinking of big bumps and the stress it will put on the bolts.
Pretty solid stuff, and when the front is under tension the back isn't, and vice versa
I'm hopeful (but no engineer...)
Actually, my dear old dad was an engineer, but fairly sure he wouldn't get under there now to check it out!
Ok, all fitted and finished
Sounds really good, been out for an hour and a half, playing with HPF/LPF and EQ. My head unit has a seven band EQ, I dropped a couple of DBs through the upper midrange. Components are HPF'd at 60hz from the head unit, subs crossover and level approx half way on both.
Been lowering the woofer level on acoustic stuff, but hardly change it on rockier stuff.
All for less than £300 (I already had the headunit) including deadening. Still not 100% about tweeters. Either they are a bit harsh (for soft domes) or they shouldn't be firing down the tubes in the door panels. I have downloaded an RTA app, will have a check to see if there's any standout frequencies...
Now, to eat, tidy up and then back out for more listening!
Busy week (with my new passenger...) so took a couple of hours yesterday to have a top down blast about. Sub works well, top down at 70(ish) almost as well as it does at 30! Really chuffed with whole system!
Still tweaking, but only tiny bits now...
I still have stock hu in mine been looking at upgrading system inc sub. hopefully santa will bring me something. if I continue playing ozrics any longer,my doors will drop off,,,,,,something needs to change methinks.
Optics, as in Tentacles?
Yesterday was a bit of Joe Satriani, Sisters of Mercy, Sade and Thunder.
I'm going to dig out my Sigue Sigue Sputnik album tomorrow!
was playing some joe satriani, and steve vai, yesterday. thought the door speakers were gonna jump out and run away screaming,, ha ha.
Bit of "Man'o'war" today...
Placement is back to his work ex today (after some attempt at blagging me, saying it was tomorrow!) so having a couple of hours drive about...
...in the fog
Quote from: "vx220"Bit of "Man'o'war" today...
Placement is back to his work ex today (after some attempt at blagging me, saying it was tomorrow!) so having a couple of hours drive about...
...in the fog
In the fog and the sun, as it turned out!
Took some CDs instead of the MP3 USB stick, sounds a lot smoother. Took away the little bit of harshness I have been chasing with the EQ.
Glenn Dancing and Fleetwood Mac...
def thinking of using rear storage doors for speakers. may build a sub box for passenger foot well. then need decent sport exhaust, wheels dipping, fly-eyes all round. the list goes on.
Quote from: "vx220"Quote from: "vx220"Bit of "Man'o'war" today...
Placement is back to his work ex today (after some attempt at blagging me, saying it was tomorrow!) so having a couple of hours drive about...
...in the fog
In the fog and the sun, as it turned out!
Took some CDs instead of the MP3 USB stick, sounds a lot smoother. Took away the little bit of harshness I have been chasing with the EQ.
Glenn Dancing and Fleetwood Mac...
Glenn DANZIG! Not DANCING!!! How did I manage that!?
PS... The bracket behind the buttons on the right of the steering wheel is NOT suitable to hang a subwoofer off s:( :( s:( Snapped clean off
Now need to fashion a new bracket.
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Quote from: "shnazzle"PS... The bracket behind the buttons on the right of the steering wheel is NOT suitable to hang a subwoofer off s:( :( s:( Snapped clean off
Now need to fashion a new bracket.
Not sure if I used this one!
I blame those work boots of yours!
Will check it out when it dries outside...
Didn't end up being a problem.
The bolt that bracket is attached to lined up perfectly with the hole for the bracket on the woofer s:) :) s:) Success. The bracket is for the obd2 wire harness, but it's not going anywhere without the bracket so no harm done
Epic thread revival.
I'm attempting to mount the USW10 under my steering wheel. I can see the mount that Shnazzle has used on one side - The side mounted where the sponge is, has that been custom made?
In the pic above, the metal square bracket you see is on the car and you can see where it sheered off.
The black thick mount of the usw10 slides over the bolt that that swuare bracket fits to.
Quote from: "shnazzle"In the pic above, the metal square bracket you see is on the car and you can see where it sheered off.
The black thick mount of the usw10 slides over the bolt that that swuare bracket fits to.
Thanks. I worked that bit out. It's how the other thick mount on the USW is attached - near the sponge in this post below -
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Ah yes that part is custom. It's a very simple combination of a 90deg bracket at the top, bolted to a flat bracket with 3 holes, an then another 90deg bracket at the bottom that the speaker is bolted onto.
Since this suspends the speaker in mid air, supported on two sides, it can swing. Hence the sponge stuffed behind it to hold it in place. Hasn't moved in almost 3 years haha so it must work.
Fabulous. That's (almost) exactly what I needed.
Just one more thing (I feel like Columbo saying that - this will be lost on many younger readers). Where have you attached this strangely complicated but ultimately satisfying bracket on the car?
I'd have to look but I'm pretty sure it's attached to the brake pedal carrier.
I'm not saying it's the best solution BTW s:) :) s:) It works.
Great. I've given up for the day now, but I'll have another look when I get time. Brackets are cheap enough in screwfix. I might even bypass the plastic bracket supplied with the sub and just attach the custom bracket direct (little foam in between for protection)
I took a few more pics earlier this week because as luck had it.... one of the nuts came loose so I had to do a handstand to tighten it. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180201/de8e229c8ed2e237467c1c3df3e6b0ce.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180201/cf7ab887dc7bb912cd029d25fc6efc3c.jpg)
I'm gunna be "that guy" and bring an old thread back to life again, but I actually had a quick question :)
I too just ordered the USW10 tonight, and was just curious if any of you have tried aiming the woofer facing upwards in the dash instead of down?
Quote from: stokedcrf on March 24, 2021, 05:36I'm gunna be "that guy" and bring an old thread back to life again, but I actually had a quick question :)
I too just ordered the USW10 tonight, and was just curious if any of you have tried aiming the woofer facing upwards in the dash instead of down?
Why would you do that?
It would be harder to mount I think. You'd have to fashion a cradle of some sort
Quote from: shnazzle on February 1, 2018, 00:12I took a few more pics earlier this week because as luck had it.... one of the nuts came loose so I had to do a handstand to tighten it. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180201/de8e229c8ed2e237467c1c3df3e6b0ce.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180201/cf7ab887dc7bb912cd029d25fc6efc3c.jpg)
Im just working on the install of the usw10 as we speak. I noticed in your photos you used the existing plastic mounts included with it.
Have you had no concerns about the plastic snapping over time, or perhaps in colder weather?
Using them would make my install more simple, but I'm wondering if I should just make a solid brace across the top and avoid the plastic altogether?
Boy I will be glad when this job is over! Haha :)
Quote from: stokedcrf on March 30, 2021, 19:10Quote from: shnazzle on February 1, 2018, 00:12I took a few more pics earlier this week because as luck had it.... one of the nuts came loose so I had to do a handstand to tighten it. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180201/de8e229c8ed2e237467c1c3df3e6b0ce.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180201/cf7ab887dc7bb912cd029d25fc6efc3c.jpg)
Im just working on the install of the usw10 as we speak. I noticed in your photos you used the existing plastic mounts included with it.
Have you had no concerns about the plastic snapping over time, or perhaps in colder weather?
Using them would make my install more simple, but I'm wondering if I should just make a solid brace across the top and avoid the plastic altogether?
Boy I will be glad when this job is over! Haha :)
I definitely see your concern.
But,
A) They're actually a bit flexible. Give it a try
B) My sub has been in for... Err...5 years or so? And over 40k miles. A hell of a lot of bumpy Northumberland and Yorkshire roads. Hasn't moved yet.
C) it is what it came with so while it isn't intended to hang upside down, I guess it is meant to withstand some general beating from being bumped around
My solution is definitely pikey but... Is it still pikey if it has lasted 5 years? :)
A big thankyou to
@shnazzle @Topdownman @Justin.D @Call the midlife! @stokedcrf and anyone I missed out who have been on this thread and other similar ones.
I just spent a couple of days upside down fitting a USW10, first day wrestling it physically to attach to the car in the footwell, than a few hours next day doing the wiring.
They are available for £80 at the moment if you don't mind a 'refurb' https://www.caraudiocentre.co.uk/category_m-underseat-subwoofers_c-2741.htm
For what it's worth mine was perfect in sealed packaging, didn't look perfect after 2 days banging it around in the footwell mind.
I used some steel brackets from a set of bike mudguards, hopefully strong enough and resistant to the flex as it's not completely rigid - three fixings might have been better than they two they provide on the unit. The brackets are part of set 11333 from SKS which are used to fit "raceblade long". I have seen Justin.D's thread where his came loose.
Sorry no pics - once I'd worked out where it was going and made it work, I couldn't face taking it down again - just came to say thanks really.
I thought I'd just bump this topic rather than starting another. I ended up with the larger In Phase USW300 active sub, which I certainly had my doubts about when offering it up. However it seems to fit pretty well with a couple of brackets, I'll only know for sure when I secure everything 100%! Picture of my mounting points for reference (black bolts hanging down), the one on the left is a bracket for securing furniture to the wall attached to a standard 90 degree bracket - not square but the ended up the perfect width apart. I'm tempted to drill out the mounts on the sub and use larger nuts and bolts, otherwise fingers crossed I've got it!
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Just an aside - Does the sub fit under the seats?
Quote from: SV-3 on February 7, 2024, 13:42Just an aside - Does the sub fit under the seats?
No, I don't think any of them fit under the seats. There is space under the dash or in the bins. You might get one upright under the bin but you would have to be careful to not hit it with the seat.
Quote from: SV-3 on February 7, 2024, 13:42Just an aside - Does the sub fit under the seats?
I had a go but no luck. The space looks ok at the front but there's bits in the way (cables, mechanisms), then gets very shallow at the back.
I don't need my seat all the way back so thought about behind the seats, and in the bins was an option but there have been various comments on the forum about what sounds best and under dash seems to win. Perhaps in the bin with no door would be good but it's nice to have some storage...
How about this? ;D
(https://i.ibb.co/5sYq7SS/Subs-and-RR-speakers.jpg) (https://ibb.co/5sYq7SS)